Quote from: alan b traehern on December 15, 2020, 15:25

Can you read? https://submit.shutterstock.com/legal/terms?language=en Did you ever read this? Contracts change, they did nothing illegal, you have no class action suit. 18 f Please note that Shutterstock reserves the right to modify these terms at any time in its sole discretion,

And where in the agreement does it state that they will take away 2/3 of your income? Is that your idea of "fair" business practices? And was the agreement the same when contributors signed up 10 years ago? The most prominent statement I recall was the SS stating: "The more you contribute, the more you'll earn"

Microsoft recently agreed to a multi-billion dollar settlement when a class action lawsuit claimed that they overcharged consumers during a certain time period. I don't think it would be difficult to convince the courts that the SS and other stock agencies used unfair and unethical business practices when they stripped away 2/3 of their contributor's income.

And sweetheart, would you do me a favor? If you're going to vent your anger would you mind directing it at those trying to take away your income/livelihood and not at those trying to create a fair playing field?

Who's angry. I asked a couple of questions and link the contract. Now you want to talk of Microstock and unethical, fair play. There's no law on your side. Take it or leave.

No it's not a scam, a dishonest scheme, a fraud or a swindle. It is a piss poor way to sell our work.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on November 28, 2020, 03:57

"WhAt PerCenTage aRe ThEy  PaYiNg!!!  "

I know you want a simple answer but sometimes things are little more complicated.

I have just explained and broken down how they calculate the percentages for sub downloads (after you said sub calculations had nothing to do with percentage tier levels).

Plug in whatever numbers you like and you can see that the answer is far less than they claim in real terms, because they calculate using the assumption that a buyer downloads their full allowance. For anyone outside the lowest tiers, i.e. anyone who�s income is really going to be effected by this, this results in getting a much lower REAL percentage than Shutterstock claim (because they would be earning more than 10c in every REAL scenario). 

You may be able to come up with scenarios like �well if I am tier 1 and the buyer uses 100% of their mega sub package downloads I get more than 15% on those first 100 dls for the year� but honestly, why would you work so hard to jam another guy�s foot up your own a**.

Another example, if I am level 3 and buyer has 750 monthly pack, Shutterstock payment for the sub:

$199/750 images= .26c per image 25%= 6.6c/dl so they raise it to the 10c floor (�wOw I aM gEtTiNg 38%!!!!�)

If the buyer actually uses 50% of their downloads (again, they don�t but lets be generous) what 25% would actually be:

$199/375 images= .53c per image 25%= .13c/dl

Congrats you just got ****** out of third of your income and are cheerleader for the people doing it.

You may want someone to spoon feed you an exact percentage, but without access to Shutterstock's accounts no one can. I doubt that�s an accident on their part. If they were being honest/ transparent I wouldn�t have to. It would all be on the table and we could take it or leave it. There�s several ways they could do this, even if it meant basing payouts on a previous months percentages used and correcting the following month, but here we are.

You assume nobody downloads their full allowance, $199/375 images= .53c per image 25%= .13c/dl you want them to pay us .36c a download 68% on every sale.

iStock does base on previous month and corrects for used on the following month. We get 15% / .02c minimum. $199/750 images= .26c per image we would get .039c per download. You are a cheerleader for that .04c plan that pays the promised % a month later, 60% less.

I want 4c instead of 10c because they pay me what they say they will. I want 15% instead of 30% because SS is scum and Getty is my dream date. Justanother Congrats you just got ****** out of third of your income and are cheerleader for the people doing it.

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Quote from: Lola Ginabrigeta on October 12, 2020, 11:24

Restrict new users from Ukraine.

According to this logic, ebay or etsy should ban sellers from the USA because only this year I reported about a dozen users from the US selling my work without a proper license.
It should be judged on a case-by-case basis rather than based on the country you are living in. Agencies could do a much better job on checking/reacting, but since they are making money either way they don't care that much.

Just a point, since people are getting all up in arms. She said RESTRICT not ban.

I don't know why anyone here would defend image thieves, whether they are from (country name here) or anywhere else. SS does restrict some new users from some known hotbeds of thieves, fake accounts and where they are known for portfolios of entirely stolen images. Last I saw, it was 90 days before they can collect the first payout.

Someone else has said, agencies should do better ID checks. Funny how many times we've seen people complaining that the agency won't accept their ID or how the people don't want their private information in the hands of the agency. Darned if you do, darned if you don't? 

Account Registration

    You must be 18 years of age to create a Shutterstock account.

    You may not sign up for an account with identification documents belonging to another individual, share an account with another individual, and/or share content with another Shutterstock contributor without prior consent from Shutterstock.

    The �Make payments to� name in your account must be your full legal name as it appears on your identification documents; this is the name to which royalty payments will be made. For business accounts this field will contain the business name.

    In order to make your Shutterstock account a business account, you must provide us with documentation as required by your country or state that indicates you are a principal owner of the business. 

    You may not open a second Shutterstock account without permission from Shutterstock.

    You may not share the same online payment processing service account (like Payoneer, Paypal or Skrill) with another Shutterstock contributor. 

If this is how they handle things, agencies should know precisely who is opening the account and who is responsible for the uploads. But some places, it's much easier to get a fake ID, or possibly some agencies just are trusting, until something goes wrong?

The word for blaming a whole country or population for what a minority of individuals do is stereotyping or a generalization, maybe a negative ethnic bias? Nothing to do with race.

Racism is not just about race, it can be against a ethnic group also. (because scientifically race is not even thing - we all belong to the human race - but that is a whole other discussion).
I still think it should be agencies responsibility instead of these discriminatory practices (call them whatever you want).

LOL as one of the American Race now, I was making it clear that it's not race but the correct word is stereotyping, nothing more or less. And I think you read what I wrote which said: "If this is how they handle things, agencies should know precisely who is opening the account and who is responsible for the uploads." because the agencies have IDs and payment accounts. Nothing about discrimination, which is another good word for restricting whole countries.

So you and Cathy can keep insisting that a country is a race?

racist, rac�ism  (rā′sĭz′əm)
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

No one said a country is a race. And sure, you can pick the definition that suits your arguments. And I can pick the one that suits mine, so there is no point in arguing. Really. Or you can read more about this if you are interested because it is not as simple as you present it.

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Quote from: Lola Ginabrigeta on October 12, 2020, 11:24

Restrict new users from Ukraine.

Racist. 🙄

Cathy did Ukraine is a country

racism
/ˈreɪsɪz(ə)m/

noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.


What is important is that no one should be discriminated based on the country she/he lives in. I had a 3 month restriction when I started stock photography, and I did nothing wrong ever (except being unlucky to be born in my country).

Unfortunate born in a country where image stealing is common. How much did you lose by waiting 90 days? Everybody from everywhere should have to wait 90 days.

Quote from: jonbull on March 15, 2020, 15:28

every business is down 90%...stock market are falling down, oil falling down,.,.,.and people think that micro stock won-t be affected_ isn0t t funny_

the end of the world!!!
i'm writing from Ground Zero (North Italy), maybe you are right, i hope not.

Are you and jonbull the same person?

Quote from: trabuco on February 07, 2020, 09:39

Same problem here. A 4% in every cash movement or payment to buy something. In my case euros.

Is that with paypal? They say they take 2.5% for a USD GBP conversion, but they also set rates and choose when to update them so I was hoping for a comparison with the same pair at the same time for similar amounts and different providers. Hope someone can chime in.

How much do the others charge for a transaction? Which is best for me at $300-$500 a month converting to Euro? I'm pleased with Paypal but would consider other if they are less expensive.

I have Been using 81A or B warming filters forever. at least as Long as they Have been available. don't see the reason to Put some cheap Piece of crap On a good Lens that has a Optical negative effect On Image quality. But, if you can't see the difference...?? who cares. Im not paying $1,000s for a Lens and Put some Piece of Plastic crap  on it. Camera stores make more On that crap than anything else and they Laugh and High Five each other after you Leave. Trust Me.Some are very Good friends at the Largest Camera stores On the West Coast.

You use filters but you don't use filters. You buy expensive $1000 lenses but then buy cheap plastic filters not good glass. I bet your good friends are slapping hands and laughing at you whenever you leave the store. You don't need a 81A or 81B for digital, they are for warming with film. Now you'll say you are shooting film not a cheap plastic lens on a phone.

You are on 5 agencies maybe 4, then next day you are on 4 maybe 3. Do you make up your numbers like everything else.

Wow, it looks AMAZING. Very clean and easy to use.

I would love to try it but my problem is finding the customers to buy my work directly. Are you advertising anywhere?

I find this hard to start at $29 a month without the income to pay for that. Somebody with more and different might get enough to break even after a year. I would like to know about advertising ideas.

Quote from: rinderart on November 26, 2018, 16:12

Made many mistakes Pete like we all Have, my Biggest was 2006, Myself and Bobby Deal , a very prolific guy]almost started our own agency. we even had contracts Made up. It was very simple. 50% split on every dollar that came in. I had the Best shooters ready and we just couldn't get it done sadly. I still own the Domain. "The Best of Royalty Free" if someone wants it. I also owned "ShutterstockMusic" and Jon blew his top On that One....LOL we settled friendly.BTW, this site was the first Place I advertised "The Beginners guide to Microstock Photography"

Your mistake was writing the book to add more competition for us or not getting financing from somebody rich to make your agency or starting up with Bobby Deal, Photoshow, Vegas Vision Studios. Where is he now? Colorado doing head shots and BobbyDeal.com is 404 Almost

Where can I buy your book?

I don't think you can and I don't think there are real books, ebook downloads. I went to the place they sold them and it's trashed in Japanese. http://www.rindersmithphotography.com gone. We'll never know what was in that.

Quote from: Smilla on December 02, 2018, 04:53

I did have it enable, tried it with disabled and still the same thing. Just dead links. Weird.

Just tried, same as you, dead nothing works. https://contributor.stock.adobe.com/en/uploads?upload=1 Works with Chrome

Works with MicrostoftEdge, nothing opens with Firefox.

Quote from: rinderart on November 22, 2018, 01:48

Closed My account after a very long time. theres way to Much BS from them. They rejected a Bunch of Cell Images that sell...., then I asked them about it and they said Quote..."They don't accept Cellphone Images" I then wrote back and told them That was BS Because they had accepted 200 Of Mine and A ton Of others Cell Images. After  very few Stupid Emails I said Close My account and basically FU after way to Many years and NO....I would not wait 45 days for them to do it....And I said keep the Money they owe Me. ........yes they kept the money for the cheap Fools they are.

They closed it in 7 Days!!. Im so over sites that think they control what people want and need based on there Bias and short sighted attitude.

You need to read the rules before uploading to a professional stock AGENCY. They do not accept mobile phone images, that's very clear. If some have been accepted in the past that's just lucky for you, and it's because Alamy only check a small number of images. They probably won't sell though and if they do, the quality won't be as good as a well-taken and processed DSLR image (in MOST cases).

Alamy are not perfect at all, and I have several issues with them that are never addressed, and they do have an attitude of "This is how it is because we say it is" and no amount of logical thinking changes that. However, they are overall pretty decent and genuine, and having a go at them in a forum when YOU are in the wrong only makes you look silly.

As for StockIMO - That's a sister company to Alamy and is there for only smartphone images (iPhones only). Reading the guidelines properly tells you all this basic stuff. So many newbies don't bother reading them, then complain that their images are rejected or they aren't selling!

Why would somebody upload 200 phone photos when the rules say no phone photos. How do cellphone photos sell when they aren't accepted. Close account is righteous, they don't need you you don't want them.

My GOD!  what has become of you all here?? 5-6 years back this forum was full of people that could give and take an argument, Bickering or something wrongly said, NOW look at you!! just look!..bunch of supersensitive twatts that is ready to jump on just anything!...makes me want to puke!...this is a stock-forum, not some Metoo gathering or Politically-correct garbage!

Since I wrote that comment I've had 6 of the old school on my mail telling me to just leave it and let these twatts whallop around in their own mess!...truth is you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the real world of creatives, no time for you!...go back to mummy and hang her in the skirt!....now do what you do BEST!  talk sheit on my back when turned!...I have to go and vomit!....the man above MicroVet!  liste to what he is saying!! and learn!

Maybe your 6 old school friends are right, just leave. But you stay to attack and insult us, calling names. Seems a leopard doesn't change its spots was spot on. You are amused trolling for attention that's the only reason you come here. You don't like when we get along and disagree respectfully.