Quote from: kall3bu on April 08, 2022, 10:22

Quote from: MatHayward on March 31, 2022, 09:45

Quote from: Sandeel on March 31, 2022, 02:14

Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent.

But do NOT do it for countries, which are not supported by Adobe anymore like all poor countries especially Moslem countries. So even your travel photos from Turkey will not appear in any search, if the customer does not change the regiion on the very bottom of the page - where nobody will find it and usually nobody knows about it.

@Matt: This time you will answer?
(Sorry, but it hurts me each time again when i read about this region selection which IS discriminating!)

It sounds like you are misunderstanding the way search works. If you upload a photo taken in Turkey and you are in Turkey, there is a chance you would not see this image in search depending on the subject matter of the image. However, the image would still be available in most other countries and can be sold.

-Mat

First of all THANK YOU for your first reply, Matt!
Joe Ann and others did their research and wrote about their search experiences in this case. So, I do not get, what you, Matt, write about the search results.
Do you mean that, if logged in in Turkey, Trukey related images are much more showing up than for example in the USA? And that is the reason that our Trukey related images might not appear. Or they appear, but because of to many from that subject, they will be not shown up in the top? With other words: If I am logged in in the USA and search for Turkey related images, then my images might showing up much higher in ranking?
What I (and many in the past already either) not understand, WHY MUST BE there a difference?
But I stop asking about this, because it makes no sense.

Quote from: Sandeel on March 31, 2022, 02:14

Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent.

But do NOT do it for countries, which are not supported by Adobe anymore like all poor countries especially Moslem countries. So even your travel photos from Turkey will not appear in any search, if the customer does not change the regiion on the very bottom of the page - where nobody will find it and usually nobody knows about it.

@Matt: This time you will answer?
(Sorry, but it hurts me each time again when i read about this region selection which IS discriminating!)

Since 6 month or on I concentrate on POD sites. Then I came back to wirestock and uploaded 180 images at once as easy submission. Only 20 got accepted! I never had that bad result! Well, then I found out about all these issues mentioned above. Now I am waiting until everything goes again like before.
I am not sure, if I would upload any easy submission again or not. Because in the past already it was like this: With keywords 90%+ accepted, easy submission mabe 60%, So the 40% I even have to keywording myself, upload again and 90%+ of them got accepted.
I can understand that the are lazy to keyword stuff they might think does not sell well, but that is and cannot be their mission! There should be not that big difference between keyworded stuff and easy submitted stuff.

I am afraid you are right!

# It would be also insightful and fun if you could see in which country the sale was made. Maybe something that Adobe can think about sharing as well in the activity overview? #
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Then I would have evidences that my photography never will be sold to Indonesia because of this s....t regional thing!

To be honest:
If I were not somebody selling my photos on stocksites, I would not know the meaning of royal free!
If I would have to search for FREE photos as a customer - better consumer - without my knowledge background as stockphotographer, I would think royal free means FREE.

It is little bit similar to contracts: Who reads that small letters/text in contracts? So I am pretty sure that many many customers just take that royal free images and think they are really free to use. -Especially on FREE PIC and free images Sites. Their names already move the consumer in the wrong way of thinking!
I am also pretty sure, if the stockphoto industry would have taken another word for that royal free images, there would be much less using the images in a wrong way!
unlimited use price would be much better instead of royal free.
But nowadays everything has to be named something with FREE because all people are expecting things for free and search for free things.

Please correct me, if I am wrong:

I changed from non exclusive to exclusive some month ago and moved all my videos from Adobe to pond5, where I follow the partnership program (maybe I remember the wrong name of it). Which includes Adobe and as I know/think many other agencies/partner from pond5, which I would not reach, if I am not following that program and beeing non exclusive. Am I right?

I ask this, because some artists here say, sales on Adobe via pond5 reaches in lower revenue for me, which i think is right. But I calculated that the other partners might at least compensate it and makes it at least better for me. Right?

Why I am asking:
If I am wrong or get enough arguments that I should better upload to Adobe and pond5 (non exclusive), then I might even better upload all via wirestock. Okay, the videos I am now talking about I keyworded myself already, but maybe the exposer from wirestock will be better than my few videos now (less than 300).
And for future uploads I can let wirestock keywording them.

What are your suggestions?

If eastern Europe is one of the banned regions, then might be not that much banned.
Banned most are regions from Moslem countries and poor regions. Or with other words: Not effected are all from the USA, rich European countries, Australia, Singapore and so on.
Its just simple:
Countries who (are able to) pay monthly for any adobe software are not banned, but these rich evangelist christians also cannot see the photos from that banned countries - well they might be able to see 5% selected.

I checked:
Upload via wirestock and take out every keyword which shows that my photos are from Indonesia, a poor Moslem country, are shown as usual! But when I still had the exactly same images - also without keywords from Indonesia on my own portfolio on Adobe, they were not shown.
If there are keywords from Indonesia it does not matter, if on your own portfolio or via wirestock: They will not come up in search results.

It is so stupid to say that it can be solved by changing the region (Mat said that). For what making it such difficult?
Well, they reduces the offered images for software users to a minimum and now also try to offer them as much possible for free.

Adobe is not caring about stock photos, but only on their software products.

Quote from: Jens G on August 17, 2021, 08:46

Do you think the sales numbers are lower via Wirestock, than than would have been if you used your own personal accounts at each agency?

Thanks to those of you who answered my question.

The reason for my question is that I'm considering deleting my files on SS, and upload them via WS instead. After a necessary wait of course.

But if the general feeling was that sales are worse via WS, I wouldn't do it.

For now, I think I will upload new files to WS, and by the end of the year see how they have done.

If you move your photos from SS to SS via WS you should have in mind:
As older your images, as more often they could be rejected now cause of the AI review process on SS.
With other words: Newer Images which passed via AI will be pass again. Rejected ones - as mentioned from others above - might get accepted now, because more accepted images via WS.
I luckily moved the most before the AI review and got most of them accepted again. My last batch - well they were indeed the worst ones in case of motifs not in kind of quality - most got accepted and some got sales directly and funny: also instant pay to SS (3.83$ each).

Quote from: For Real on August 14, 2021, 08:43

Quote from: Lina on August 14, 2021, 03:58

Absolutely. Very well said. I was also surprised how unwilling are many contributors to see what's going on, not just about free images, but other issues as well.

Interested to hear the 'other issues'   

For me, big issue is selling our images on partner POD sites without telling us how much we actually earn per sale. Yes, I have read somewhere Mat's answer that we are getting 33% of amount that POD site paid to Adobe for each sale, but we don't know how much it is. So theoretically for 100$ worth sold product we could earn couple of cents. That was first reason why I started giving up.

And this too: https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-announcing-pro-edition-for-creative-cloud-for-teams-and-enterprises/  Now everytime I see custom download I am wondering was it Pro Team or Pro Enterprise license, so they can use my images for whatever they want for couple of cents or dollars.

Regional policy so many images are not visible in some countries and in other countries is still not possible to buy web subscription so they certainly won't buy AS images: https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/is-there-a-proble-with-adobe-stock-website/.

Invitation-only policy for premium images and templates, so regular contributors can't participate even if they are good enough.

I think I covered everything that bothers me, but many other contributors don't seem to care or at least they remain silent. If I remember something else, I will let you know.

In most cases an themes, we get directly answers from Mat. That�s what we like from him. so we do not feel treated bad from Adobe, because of Mat.

BUT: All issues mentioned from Lina, were already published and critisized from many different forum members here. But we did not get any - or only rethorical no means - answers, even from Mat.
I am pretty sure that adobe forced Mat, not to answer or only give that no means answers. I asked Adobe support directly too, but same not satisfying answers as well.
Their class systems by premium and featured artists and on the other side treated bad low end accounts, and that regional thing, which only discriminates these regions, mostly poor or Moslem regions, makes us feeling that Adobe is God and decides, who will be accepted in their previleged group and who will get send to hell.

Thank you Lina for your new try to force Adobe to clear the situation and give information about these cases. But do not expect them answering here. They will NOT. They hide themselves back doors like big Mafia bosses do/did.

But the special keyword is not shown in the published keywords on each photo of this group, right?
Because I just tried to find out which keyword they used, but no same keyword on that promoted photos.

Why I remember Getty and iStock in this case? Deleting accounts if you have the same photos on both sites.
Why I am remembering SS, who prefer to delete the accounts of the copyright holder instead of deleting the accounts of thieves?
And so on!

In which world do we live?
Well, business is indeed the worst side of communication. Do not trust anyone, but deal with the devil, if you can get a benefit from it. There are no friends in business life.

So, publishing the video here: Only Adobe could make you problems, right? We are afraid to publish truth and the big Adobe (who seems to be the bad boy) and all the others will fight directly with unfair tricks?

MAD WORLD!
BAD WORLD!

Any via Wirestock already?

I did not vote, because it depends on the real name.
In your case, Martha:

Novel + POD + needs a serious name.

Martha Marks is a great name for it! So - in your case - I wouldn�t change to a pen name. Or you should publish them here and maybe your idea of pen name is nicer.