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derek

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« on: April 22, 2017, 00:46 »
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Well people here is another weirdo week at SS. See what you say about this one.

Monday.  43.56
Tuesday.  41.91
Wednesday. 43.11
Thursday.  43.88
Friday. 42.56

Considering I am down the usual 40% not bad I suppose but Oh dear its just so identical to the past 12 weeks. ;D


« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2017, 00:58 »
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I'd be happy with that personally!

Although I do only have about 135 images online so far....

dpimborough

« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2017, 01:19 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

I've been tracking sales data for 5 years and it is definitely become more apparent since 2014.

They are probably trying to share the "wealth" to encourage contributors to hang around.

I also get such odd sales for old files of really common subjects that have sold when they should have been drowned out long ago yet when I search for the same image it's no where to be seen anywhere in the results.

derek

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 01:29 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

I've been tracking sales data for 5 years and it is definitely become more apparent since 2014.

They are probably trying to share the "wealth" to encourage contributors to hang around.

I also get such odd sales for old files of really common subjects that have sold when they should have been drowned out long ago yet when I search for the same image it's no where to be seen anywhere in the results.

I know but this is a joke isnt it? I mean this has been going on since new year and really I mean its so obvious isnt it. How they do it I do not know but there you go. :)

« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2017, 02:24 »
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Similar thing here.
What is more, I have a portfolio of nearly 2,000 clips, but this year 95% of my sales have come from one single file (!).
Not that I am complaining because sales are decent, but it is really strange.
Last year I had weeks where sales come from just this file, but also other weeks where I was selling a very broad selection of files, even recent ones. And then every month there was always 10 days without any sales at all.
There is certainly a huge manipulation, but it is not necessarily a bad thing.
I am talking about video only. I also have a tiny portfolio of still images and things there so far look normal, I have sales even when the image has just been posted

« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2017, 04:21 »
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things are truly strange in video sales last month almost best month ever and as for now this month worst month ever how does it work? very very strange


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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2017, 04:40 »
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Brightontl  And how many monthly downloads do you have with 2000 movies besides this one good movie?

I on videohive as exlusiv I have 1000 movies and downloads for 150 ~ 200 months

I do not know if it is worth to resign from Exlusiv and send to Shutterstock. If I had 50 downloads a month. I think only a few downloads. If they manipulate sales

« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2017, 04:42 »
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things are truly strange in video sales last month almost best month ever and as for now this month worst month ever how does it work? very very strange


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Same for me: March BME and April absolutely horrible.
I believe it has to do with Easter holidays

« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2017, 04:44 »
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Brightontl  And how many monthly downloads do you have with 2000 movies besides this one good movie?

I on videohive as exlusiv I have 1000 movies and downloads for 150 ~ 200 months

I do not know if it is worth to resign from Exlusiv and send to Shutterstock. If I had 50 downloads a month. I think only a few downloads. If they manipulate sales
Sorry I do not understand.
Are you saying you have 150 to 200 files downloaded per month at VB?
I did not even know one could exclusive there

« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2017, 04:51 »
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I do not know English well.

Yes I have 150 ~ 200 per month Videohive.

And how much do you give Shutterstock for a month besides a hit movie?

« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2017, 05:30 »
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I do not know English well.

Yes I have 150 ~ 200 per month Videohive.

And how much do you give Shutterstock for a month besides a hit movie?
I think that 150-200 downloads per month is very good. I certainly don't have that many at SS (not even close)

« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2017, 05:36 »
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I understand. But for the video is low price on videohive. Is it possible to have 30 downloads per month on Shutter with 1000 videos

dpimborough

« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2017, 12:10 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

I've been tracking sales data for 5 years and it is definitely become more apparent since 2014.

They are probably trying to share the "wealth" to encourage contributors to hang around.

I also get such odd sales for old files of really common subjects that have sold when they should have been drowned out long ago yet when I search for the same image it's no where to be seen anywhere in the results.

I know but this is a joke isnt it? I mean this has been going on since new year and really I mean its so obvious isnt it. How they do it I do not know but there you go. :)

It's even more evident if you track the moving average over a period of time.  The daily moving average is just straight forward manipulated with the same figures and little variance.

I reckon thats why SS removed the ability to see weekly sales data so contributors couldn't see what was going on so easily.

derek

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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2017, 12:52 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

I've been tracking sales data for 5 years and it is definitely become more apparent since 2014.

They are probably trying to share the "wealth" to encourage contributors to hang around.

I also get such odd sales for old files of really common subjects that have sold when they should have been drowned out long ago yet when I search for the same image it's no where to be seen anywhere in the results.

I know but this is a joke isnt it? I mean this has been going on since new year and really I mean its so obvious isnt it. How they do it I do not know but there you go. :)

It's even more evident if you track the moving average over a period of time.  The daily moving average is just straight forward manipulated with the same figures and little variance.

I reckon thats why SS removed the ability to see weekly sales data so contributors couldn't see what was going on so easily.

 youre right! manipulation of earnings and tampering with figures. Sounds a bit dodgy actually and how about the legalities of this? can they do this?

dpimborough

« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2017, 14:53 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

I've been tracking sales data for 5 years and it is definitely become more apparent since 2014.

They are probably trying to share the "wealth" to encourage contributors to hang around.

I also get such odd sales for old files of really common subjects that have sold when they should have been drowned out long ago yet when I search for the same image it's no where to be seen anywhere in the results.

I know but this is a joke isnt it? I mean this has been going on since new year and really I mean its so obvious isnt it. How they do it I do not know but there you go. :)

It's even more evident if you track the moving average over a period of time.  The daily moving average is just straight forward manipulated with the same figures and little variance.

I reckon thats why SS removed the ability to see weekly sales data so contributors couldn't see what was going on so easily.

 youre right! manipulation of earnings and tampering with figures. Sounds a bit dodgy actually and how about the legalities of this? can they do this?

I guess they are not breaking any laws or even their own terms of service it's just disappointing that they feel it necessary to do it :(

« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2017, 19:49 »
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This topic comes up every 3 months. I still don't think there is any truth in it. My numbers fluctuate daily, not by just a few percent, but by over 20% sometimes. I think it's just a coincidence that some people see consistent numbers.

Historically, April has always been a lousy month (for many industries) because of Spring Break and Tax Season. Kids get off school for a week and some parents take off work with them to go on a trip. For taxes, some people like us are saving up to pay the government instead of getting a refund.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2017, 19:55 by Minsc »

« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2017, 20:43 »
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This topic comes up every 3 months. I still don't think there is any truth in it. My numbers fluctuate daily, not by just a few percent, but by over 20% sometimes. I think it's just a coincidence that some people see consistent numbers.

Historically, April has always been a lousy month (for many industries) because of Spring Break and Tax Season. Kids get off school for a week and some parents take off work with them to go on a trip. For taxes, some people like us are saving up to pay the government instead of getting a refund.

People will see what they want to see. Ghosts, UFOs, bigfoot, sea monsters, face on mars or accusations of tampering or illegal allegations for microstock earnings. The more it's written doesn't make it more true.

March on SS was BME and I'm well over ten years at this. Shouldn't I be on some limit and it's not the newbie insulting claim to discount anything that doesn't fit the conspiracy. IS has dropped like a lead balloon. Easy to see why. But like the rest, there's no reason for agencies to tamper with earnings or sales, they want the most and the biggest. There's no hiding good files from buyers when the goal is sell the most, make the most.


« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2017, 21:04 »
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Well people here is another weirdo week at SS. See what you say about this one.

Monday.  43.56
Tuesday.  41.91
Wednesday. 43.11
Thursday.  43.88
Friday. 42.56

Considering I am down the usual 40% not bad I suppose but Oh dear its just so identical to the past 12 weeks. ;D

Those numbers don't look so bad.  I have 6k images and make about the same.  This last few weeks even less.  No evidence of tampering tho.  This last week I had a 110.00 weekday, a 22.00 weekday, and the rest in the $30-40 range.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2017, 21:10 by PixelBytes »

angelawaye

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2017, 21:06 »
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SS is crashing and burning for me this month ... I'm testing the waters in macro but it is hard, it take time ...

« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2017, 00:17 »
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This topic comes up every 3 months. I still don't think there is any truth in it. My numbers fluctuate daily, not by just a few percent, but by over 20% sometimes. I think it's just a coincidence that some people see consistent numbers.

Historically, April has always been a lousy month (for many industries) because of Spring Break and Tax Season. Kids get off school for a week and some parents take off work with them to go on a trip. For taxes, some people like us are saving up to pay the government instead of getting a refund.

I too agree, there is no any conspiracy here, my numbers too fluctuate daily, last week, I too had a 2 figure and 3 figure earn. As said, this is a coincidence for some people.
People seeing increase and down sales coz SS is now shuffling the things up. They are also doing heavy marketing with introduction of new plans.

derek

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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2017, 00:58 »
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This topic comes up every 3 months. I still don't think there is any truth in it. My numbers fluctuate daily, not by just a few percent, but by over 20% sometimes. I think it's just a coincidence that some people see consistent numbers.

Historically, April has always been a lousy month (for many industries) because of Spring Break and Tax Season. Kids get off school for a week and some parents take off work with them to go on a trip. For taxes, some people like us are saving up to pay the government instead of getting a refund.

I too agree, there is no any conspiracy here, my numbers too fluctuate daily, last week, I too had a 2 figure and 3 figure earn. As said, this is a coincidence for some people.
People seeing increase and down sales coz SS is now shuffling the things up. They are also doing heavy marketing with introduction of new plans.

Haha! no there is no conspiracy and yes they fluctuate but hey! in my case they fluctuate in cents and for the past ten-twelve weeks thats one heck of a microscopic-fluctuating game wouldnt you agree.

« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2017, 01:31 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

Really? 
So how do they do it? Seriously. What method could they use to manipulate sales?

dpimborough

« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2017, 03:42 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

Really? 
So how do they do it? Seriously. What method could they use to manipulate sales?


How on earth would I know how they do it?

All I can say is if it looks like a duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it's a duck!

Dreamstime do it as we all know

But some simple statistical analysis shows to much of a pattern of 1 to 2 cent differences and even without analysis the same quantities show up at the same periods day in day out week in week out.

I can now predict half way through the month how much I'll make at the end of the month within plus or minus a few bucks.

« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2017, 05:16 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

Really? 
So how do they do it? Seriously. What method could they use to manipulate sales?
I experience constantly manipulation and not only by SS.
I am not saying it is necessarily a bad thing and I am not complaining about because I have decent sales and maybe this manipulation is useful for us.
I do video only (very few still images and I only started it very recently).
As I said previously out of 2,000 clips in my portfolio, this year (last 4 months) over 90% of sales come from a single file. I have been in this game less than two years, so I have only one file very well positioned in SS (over 100 downloads), artists with a longer track record probably have sales coming from several well established files when the algorithm is in this mode.
Also every months I have about 10 days in a row when I do not get one single sale, then in the other 20 I get plenty.
Last year I used to get a few weeks like now, when only one file sells, but then some other weeks I was selling a very broad number of files, including new ones.

Why they would do it?
They have often said that they do not want customers to find constantly the sames files on top of the popular search, and maybe they are right.

How would they do it?
Extremely easy: in the algorithm put something like:
IF artist(x) has > x sales in the last x days THEN shut door

I do not pay much attention to still image sales, but now that I checked it tend to be the same amount every week day, but it is too soon to tell, as my portfolio is very small for photos

« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2017, 06:00 »
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There's plenty of evidence of sales manipulation on SS.

Really? 
So how do they do it? Seriously. What method could they use to manipulate sales?
I experience constantly manipulation and not only by SS.
I am not saying it is necessarily a bad thing and I am not complaining about because I have decent sales and maybe this manipulation is useful for us.
I do video only (very few still images and I only started it very recently).
As I said previously out of 2,000 clips in my portfolio, this year (last 4 months) over 90% of sales come from a single file. I have been in this game less than two years, so I have only one file very well positioned in SS (over 100 downloads), artists with a longer track record probably have sales coming from several well established files when the algorithm is in this mode.
Also every months I have about 10 days in a row when I do not get one single sale, then in the other 20 I get plenty.
Last year I used to get a few weeks like now, when only one file sells, but then some other weeks I was selling a very broad number of files, including new ones.

Why they would do it?
They have often said that they do not want customers to find constantly the sames files on top of the popular search, and maybe they are right.

How would they do it?
Extremely easy: in the algorithm put something like:
IF artist(x) has > x sales in the last x days THEN shut door

I do not pay much attention to still image sales, but now that I checked it tend to be the same amount every week day, but it is too soon to tell, as my portfolio is very small for photos
So is this file disappearing from search results when sales drop or what?


 

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