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« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2022, 22:36 »
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Same here, I have not even reached half of my monthly sales.


« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2022, 01:12 »
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The most important point to remember with Shutterstock is that Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky are ripping you off.

Whatever you are making, they are stealing a vast amount more than you are getting in cash.



Just like with every other company in the world?

UTTER RUBBISH, crooks are crooks, not all companies are run like the mafia.

So there are companies where the employees earn more than the people who run and own the company? Interesting. 
« Last Edit: January 24, 2022, 01:50 by Firn »

thijsdegraaf

« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2022, 03:47 »
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I actually see few answers to ronyzmbow's question (My monthly sales of images was about 150 images in average. in the last 2 months it dropped by half to about 75 images).
So not a setback compared to the past, but compared to two months before. I don't see that drop in my sale.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2022, 03:49 by thijsdegraaf »

« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2022, 05:12 »
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me too sale drop half.

« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2022, 13:41 »
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The most important point to remember with Shutterstock is that Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky are ripping you off.

Whatever you are making, they are stealing a vast amount more than you are getting in cash.



Just like with every other company in the world?

UTTER RUBBISH, crooks are crooks, not all companies are run like the mafia.

So there are companies where the employees earn more than the people who run and own the company? Interesting.

no one said that - it's a question of how big the wage gap is - in the US it's about 350 x avg worker while in europe it's much lower

NoNameIsGood

« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2022, 13:52 »
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The most important point to remember with Shutterstock is that Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky are ripping you off.

Whatever you are making, they are stealing a vast amount more than you are getting in cash.



Just like with every other company in the world?

UTTER RUBBISH, crooks are crooks, not all companies are run like the mafia.

So there are companies where the employees earn more than the people who run and own the company? Interesting.

no one said that - it's a question of how big the wage gap is - in the US it's about 350 x avg worker while in europe it's much lower



USA minimum wage after taxes- 1256$. My country- 520$. You're right.

thijsdegraaf

« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2022, 14:01 »
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« Last Edit: January 24, 2022, 14:21 by thijsdegraaf »

SVH

« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2022, 14:13 »
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You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2022, 14:49 »
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You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

But who likes it nice and simple  ;). "rent subsidy for low wages" and "accrual pension" not belong to "cost of living"   :P

SVH

« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2022, 14:59 »
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You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

But who likes it nice and simple  ;). "rent subsidy for low wages" and "accrual pension" not belong to "cost of living"   :P
True and then again Thijs had a valid point. No use in comparing income in $ between countries when you do not take into account the cost of living.

« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2022, 15:07 »
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Worst month in last several years for me, and one of my worst Januaries ever, 10% from my best January and rivaled with only 1st few years when I barely had any work uploaded. With occasional oscillations SS is on a steady decline for me, I'm wondering should I stop uploading there.

« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2022, 16:51 »
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You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

But who likes it nice and simple  ;). "rent subsidy for low wages" and "accrual pension" not belong to "cost of living"   :P
True and then again Thijs had a valid point. No use in comparing income in $ between countries when you do not take into account the cost of living.

US federal minimum wage is $7.25 & only a few states are moving to $15/hr , mostly bi-coastal states that tend Democratic (WA is $14.49, Ca $14)

$15 minimum wage is about $30K annual (often w no vacation & no health care from employer), and 2/3 of minimum wage workers do not have 40hr workweeks.  and, even at $15, it's still not a livable wage. 

https://www.minimum-wage.org/wage-by-state

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/21/15-minimum-wage-wont-cover-living-costs-for-many-americans.html

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« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2022, 18:09 »
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You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

But who likes it nice and simple  ;). "rent subsidy for low wages" and "accrual pension" not belong to "cost of living"   :P
True and then again Thijs had a valid point. No use in comparing income in $ between countries when you do not take into account the cost of living.

US federal minimum wage is $7.25 & only a few states are moving to $15/hr , mostly bi-coastal states that tend Democratic (WA is $14.49, Ca $14)

$15 minimum wage is about $30K annual (often w no vacation & no health care from employer), and 2/3 of minimum wage workers do not have 40hr workweeks.  and, even at $15, it's still not a livable wage. 

https://www.minimum-wage.org/wage-by-state

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/21/15-minimum-wage-wont-cover-living-costs-for-many-americans.html

WHO CARES about the minimum wage or anything else that comes as an excuse, this is all BS, SHUTTERSTOCK are ripping off the talent, and have used criminal minded thinking to shaft everyone who uploads to them.

Get a grip, this is not about how much you pay here or their, it's about Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky operating a scam.

« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2022, 18:52 »
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You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

But who likes it nice and simple  ;). "rent subsidy for low wages" and "accrual pension" not belong to "cost of living"   :P
True and then again Thijs had a valid point. No use in comparing income in $ between countries when you do not take into account the cost of living.

US federal minimum wage is $7.25 & only a few states are moving to $15/hr , mostly bi-coastal states that tend Democratic (WA is $14.49, Ca $14)

$15 minimum wage is about $30K annual (often w no vacation & no health care from employer), and 2/3 of minimum wage workers do not have 40hr workweeks.  and, even at $15, it's still not a livable wage. 

https://www.minimum-wage.org/wage-by-state

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/21/15-minimum-wage-wont-cover-living-costs-for-many-americans.html

WHO CARES about the minimum wage or anything else that comes as an excuse, this is all BS, SHUTTERSTOCK are ripping off the talent, and have used criminal minded thinking to shaft everyone who uploads to them.

Get a grip, this is not about how much you pay here or their, it's about Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky operating a scam.

just more whinging!   your claims of SS criminality are nonsense (and, as usual, w no actual evidence back up your ludicrous claims)

put it in perspective!
SS antics are insignificant compared to real world problems.

work w SS or not, but eternal bitching won't change anything.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2022, 18:58 by cascoly »

« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2022, 06:37 »
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Yeah, I see the drop too. However it's January, always a difficult month at Shutterstock for me, this month is really bad compared to others. Sales and RPD are dragging. 
I broke my record of serial 10 cents sales... twice. 22 In a row was followed by 26 in a row. And only a few minor OD's which is rather exceptional.

Let's see how it evolves. I had a bad January in 2021 too, but sales and higher commissions really started to pick up in March and the months after, resulting in Shutterstock providing me nearly 50% of my microstock income in 2021.

On the positive side: Adobe is still on the rise for me, and I had a pretty decent December at iStock/Getty.

H2O

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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2022, 07:00 »
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You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

But who likes it nice and simple  ;). "rent subsidy for low wages" and "accrual pension" not belong to "cost of living"   :P
True and then again Thijs had a valid point. No use in comparing income in $ between countries when you do not take into account the cost of living.

US federal minimum wage is $7.25 & only a few states are moving to $15/hr , mostly bi-coastal states that tend Democratic (WA is $14.49, Ca $14)

$15 minimum wage is about $30K annual (often w no vacation & no health care from employer), and 2/3 of minimum wage workers do not have 40hr workweeks.  and, even at $15, it's still not a livable wage. 

https://www.minimum-wage.org/wage-by-state

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/21/15-minimum-wage-wont-cover-living-costs-for-many-americans.html

WHO CARES about the minimum wage or anything else that comes as an excuse, this is all BS, SHUTTERSTOCK are ripping off the talent, and have used criminal minded thinking to shaft everyone who uploads to them.

Get a grip, this is not about how much you pay here or their, it's about Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky operating a scam.

just more whinging!   your claims of SS criminality are nonsense (and, as usual, w no actual evidence back up your ludicrous claims)

put it in perspective!
SS antics are insignificant compared to real world problems.

work w SS or not, but eternal bitching won't change anything.

Ha, Ha, Ha,

It's not whinging or bitching, it's not even business, shutterstock's original business model was a win, win, they gave a reasonable return, for a low unit sale price but with a large amount of downloads.

This was the original contributor contract, now we have a win, lose, business model. They are taking not only a bigger slice of the pie, they are taking all the pie and leaving just a few crumbs.

The criminality comes from their behaviour, nobody signed up to a change with this new contract, in effect it was forced on everyone.

What is needed in the Western World is a law that makes these type of companies responsible to all Stake Holders on an equal basis, when a company is sold, takes on debt, commission rates or terms and condition changes, basically all contributors having a equal vote at the shareholders annual meeting.

As for my earlier point about it's not business; as time goes on Shutterstock will lose revenue as the talent will walk, anyone who has half a brain can see that it isn't in their financial interest to upload to this site, YOU and EVERYONE ELSE has to ask themselves, what will be there next financial move and lets face it, this is a one way street.

I stand by my claim that Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky are nothing more than common criminals dressed up in suits and working in offices, they are the unacceptable face of capitalism.

Personally, I don't give my talent away for FREE, but, you obviously believe that YOU are quite happy to do this or you have no talent, either way it's your lose.


« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2022, 09:20 »
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Personally, I don't give my talent away for FREE, but, you obviously believe that YOU are quite happy to do this or you have no talent, either way it's your lose.

Lucky me, I have zero talent to give away for free!  :-*


« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2022, 13:18 »
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You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

But who likes it nice and simple  ;). "rent subsidy for low wages" and "accrual pension" not belong to "cost of living"   :P
True and then again Thijs had a valid point. No use in comparing income in $ between countries when you do not take into account the cost of living.

US federal minimum wage is $7.25 & only a few states are moving to $15/hr , mostly bi-coastal states that tend Democratic (WA is $14.49, Ca $14)

$15 minimum wage is about $30K annual (often w no vacation & no health care from employer), and 2/3 of minimum wage workers do not have 40hr workweeks.  and, even at $15, it's still not a livable wage. 

https://www.minimum-wage.org/wage-by-state

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/21/15-minimum-wage-wont-cover-living-costs-for-many-americans.html

WHO CARES about the minimum wage or anything else that comes as an excuse, this is all BS, SHUTTERSTOCK are ripping off the talent, and have used criminal minded thinking to shaft everyone who uploads to them.

Get a grip, this is not about how much you pay here or their, it's about Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky operating a scam.

just more whinging!   your claims of SS criminality are nonsense (and, as usual, w no actual evidence back up your ludicrous claims)

put it in perspective!
SS antics are insignificant compared to real world problems.

work w SS or not, but eternal bitching won't change anything.
...
The criminality comes from their behaviour, nobody signed up to a change with this new contract, in effect it was forced on everyone.

EVERYBODY
signed up for this thru the TOS!!! RYFM 
Quote

What is needed in the Western World is a law that makes these type of companies responsible to all Stake Holders on an equal basis, when a company is sold, takes on debt, commission rates or terms and condition changes, basically all contributors having a equal vote at the shareholders annual meeting.
that's not the way capitalism works - you need to review economics 101.  how many shares of SS do you own? contributors are not shareholders & most companies have a small group who control company decisions.  the only way your 'idea' would work would be you controlled  more shares than the owners
 
 
Quote
I stand by my claim that Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky are nothing more than common criminals dressed up in suits and working in offices, they are the unacceptable face of capitalism.

so, you admit you have absolutely no evidence to back up this silly claim. what is the crime??

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2022, 13:27 »
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I stand by my claim that Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky are nothing more than common criminals dressed up in suits and working in offices, they are the unacceptable face of capitalism.

Personally, I don't give my talent away for FREE, but, you obviously believe that YOU are quite happy to do this or you have no talent, either way it's your lose.

Yeah odd that you never pointed out before, how unhappy you are with capitalism and a free market economy? (yes sarcastic)

You may want to read about something basic in the first chapter of any book on economics, like Supply and Demand? We supply images, there's a glut on the market. Buyers control the price of goods, by their demand. The agencies don't set the prices, they react to the market and what buyers are willing to pay.

What Microstock sites do you actually work? Not SS? I'm touched that you care so much for my personal welfare.  ???

Small history lesson for how much we were promised and paid:

2005 Subs .20
2006 March 30th Subs increased to .25
2007 April 30 Subs increased to .30
2008 May 14th Levels introduced
         Sub levels  .25 - .33 - .36 - .38

SVH

« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2022, 14:15 »
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Pete is right. You can hate the owners of Shutterstock how much you want but in the end it's all business. As long as contributors are willing to supply with whatever price and with the stock they currently have it's pretty easy to lower the contributor slice. They have to, in the end, because the market, where they are operating in, is very competitive. Alamy and Dreamstime for example are probably going to loose the battle (see the Chinese deals Alamy made for example). Adobe has another, and more important, revenue so they can still offer good minimum prices. But they are less interested in selling high priced licenses because it's not their business anyway. That's why you don't see EL's almost on Adobe but do see them at Shutterstock because for them it's their core business.
If a company would start by giving you the money you (think you) deserve for your effort and time invested they would go bankrupt pretty soon in this current market.
It's just life.

« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2022, 14:48 »
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I have a question:  Have you seen an increase in 10 cent sales under the SOD category?  I've had five single and other category sales for 10 cents this month.  I have not seen that before.  What's with that?

« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2022, 15:02 »
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I have a question:  Have you seen an increase in 10 cent sales under the SOD category?  I've had five single and other category sales for 10 cents this month.  I have not seen that before.  What's with that?

Reimar, I had a look and can not confirm that for me.

H2O

    This user is banned.
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2022, 15:11 »
+1
You should therefore also look at, for example, housing costs, health care costs, rent subsidy for low wages, costs of food, accrual pension, .....
It's called "cost of living". That's easier then summing up all kinds of examples :)

But who likes it nice and simple  ;). "rent subsidy for low wages" and "accrual pension" not belong to "cost of living"   :P
True and then again Thijs had a valid point. No use in comparing income in $ between countries when you do not take into account the cost of living.

US federal minimum wage is $7.25 & only a few states are moving to $15/hr , mostly bi-coastal states that tend Democratic (WA is $14.49, Ca $14)

$15 minimum wage is about $30K annual (often w no vacation & no health care from employer), and 2/3 of minimum wage workers do not have 40hr workweeks.  and, even at $15, it's still not a livable wage. 

https://www.minimum-wage.org/wage-by-state

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/21/15-minimum-wage-wont-cover-living-costs-for-many-americans.html

WHO CARES about the minimum wage or anything else that comes as an excuse, this is all BS, SHUTTERSTOCK are ripping off the talent, and have used criminal minded thinking to shaft everyone who uploads to them.

Get a grip, this is not about how much you pay here or their, it's about Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky operating a scam.

just more whinging!   your claims of SS criminality are nonsense (and, as usual, w no actual evidence back up your ludicrous claims)

put it in perspective!
SS antics are insignificant compared to real world problems.

work w SS or not, but eternal bitching won't change anything.
...
The criminality comes from their behaviour, nobody signed up to a change with this new contract, in effect it was forced on everyone.

EVERYBODY
signed up for this thru the TOS!!! RYFM 
Quote

What is needed in the Western World is a law that makes these type of companies responsible to all Stake Holders on an equal basis, when a company is sold, takes on debt, commission rates or terms and condition changes, basically all contributors having a equal vote at the shareholders annual meeting.
that's not the way capitalism works - you need to review economics 101.  how many shares of SS do you own? contributors are not shareholders & most companies have a small group who control company decisions.  the only way your 'idea' would work would be you controlled  more shares than the owners
 
 
Quote
I stand by my claim that Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsky are nothing more than common criminals dressed up in suits and working in offices, they are the unacceptable face of capitalism.

so, you admit you have absolutely no evidence to back up this silly claim. what is the crime??

Everybody signed up because they had to, in effect it was coercion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - NOTE how I have out done you with more exclamation marks!

I could go on but in reality if you want to continue to be taken advantage of, ripped off and generally walked all over, while Jon Oringer and his side kick Stan Pavlovsk take your cash, carry on uploading!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AS AN ASIDE, I am a great believer in capitalism and a free market economy, BUT and here is the BUT, like all systems, it needs reforms and updates as time ticks by; I see legislation that empowers people as a way forward for a better and more progress society.

This proposal of a Stake Holders Law is a way of helping people to realise their efforts and taming the excesses of capitalism.

This is nothing new, working conditions and wage rises down the centuries have only been achieved by legislation and collective action, otherwise here in the UK, we would still have the same rights (which would be none) as when we had the seventh century mill owners claiming poverty as to why they were cutting the wages of the workers, while living in palatial mansions.


BUT, be my guest, continue to upload and live in poverty.

« Last Edit: January 25, 2022, 15:15 by H2O »

« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2022, 15:19 »
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AS AN ASIDE, I am a great believer in capitalism and a free market economy, BUT and here is the BUT, like all systems, it needs reforms and updates as time ticks by

Nah, you are not.
You are simply a late believer in Marxism and its outdated class struggle ideology.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2022, 15:28 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2022, 15:34 »
+3


BUT, be my guest, continue to upload and live in poverty.

I don't want to get so deeply into what for me is a rather strange discussion.
Although January was, as expected, not so great, Shutterstock's revenues at least compensate for the increased energy prices. I really can't see that this agency is driving me into poverty.


 

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