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« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2012, 17:19 »
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Well folks! stop your grinning and drop your linnen because we are about to get whalloped! I didnt believe it but somebody pointed it out to me. They have changed their default to "relevancy"  and after doing some 20 searches in various fields I have to say. It is everything but "relevant", it is really, really bad with some really amateurish imagery right up front.
I dont know if this is an experiment or not, they were going to try it out, werent they and if buyers liked it, they would keep it?  well the only type of buyer who would like this, is the type of buyer an agency and contributor simply dont need.
I find it totally meaningless uploading to a search such as this.
Im afraid with this search we are back to square one, back to the IS best-match fiasco.
I just checked, using a browser that didn't have me logged in and the default was "popular".  The search doesn't seem to of changed much.

remove your cookies and it will change. :)
I didn't have any cookies because I used chrome and I never visit SS with chrome.  I get the "popular" search by default with chrome and "relevant" with Firefox.  I was using Firefox with cookies disabled.


« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2012, 20:12 »
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I just deleted cookies for all my browsers.

IE Default Search Setting = Relevant

Chrome Default Search Setting = Popular

FF Default Search Setting = Popular

I just did a search for some of my most popular images that have shown up in the first row of the most popular search for years.  

About half of them show up, the other half are no where to be found.  Last week different best sellers were missing from the popular search so they must demote them to the nether regions based on some type of rotating algorithm that changes frequently.

Unfortunately most of my best sellers do not show up at all using the relevant search. That being the case even though those images have been time tested and proven to have relevant keywords; by buyers who frequent use those keywords to find them often enough that they have end up in the first row of the popular search for years. I don't know what indices could be more relevant, the images certainly have had time to drop from the ranks, had they not been in demand by SS's buyers.

As a buyer I left IS because they insisted on serving me content I did not need or want, I will not hesitate to do the same if SS continues with these algorithms.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2012, 20:13 by gbalex »

« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2012, 20:31 »
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For me, the relevant sort returns the same list/order of my photos under the 25/day tab (essentially number of downloads - EL's & OD's).  On the popular sort I have photos on first page that I don't even remember selling on SS!

Lagereek

« Reply #53 on: August 05, 2012, 00:19 »
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I just deleted cookies for all my browsers.

IE Default Search Setting = Relevant

Chrome Default Search Setting = Popular

FF Default Search Setting = Popular

I just did a search for some of my most popular images that have shown up in the first row of the most popular search for years.  

About half of them show up, the other half are no where to be found.  Last week different best sellers were missing from the popular search so they must demote them to the nether regions based on some type of rotating algorithm that changes frequently.

Unfortunately most of my best sellers do not show up at all using the relevant search. That being the case even though those images have been time tested and proven to have relevant keywords; by buyers who frequent use those keywords to find them often enough that they have end up in the first row of the popular search for years. I don't know what indices could be more relevant, the images certainly have had time to drop from the ranks, had they not been in demand by SS's buyers.

As a buyer I left IS because they insisted on serving me content I did not need or want, I will not hesitate to do the same if SS continues with these algorithms.

I agree with you 100%. Imagine whats it like for us contributors with large ports, its totally derrogative to upload fresh material since its going to get wasted with this Relevancy search. I believe this is supposed to be an experiment to see if buyers prefer this search, well, hard to believe they are going to prefer a search with tons of irrelevant material, isnt it?  so hopefully it gets back to normal and one can resume work.
Im sitting here with about 200, fresh files from one of the biggest shipping industries in the world,  uploading this right now and its all just wasted. :)
« Last Edit: August 05, 2012, 00:31 by Lagereek »

Lagereek

« Reply #54 on: August 05, 2012, 12:00 »
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Well folks! stop your grinning and drop your linnen because we are about to get whalloped! I didnt believe it but somebody pointed it out to me. They have changed their default to "relevancy"  and after doing some 20 searches in various fields I have to say. It is everything but "relevant", it is really, really bad with some really amateurish imagery right up front.
I dont know if this is an experiment or not, they were going to try it out, werent they and if buyers liked it, they would keep it?  well the only type of buyer who would like this, is the type of buyer an agency and contributor simply dont need.
I find it totally meaningless uploading to a search such as this.
Im afraid with this search we are back to square one, back to the IS best-match fiasco.
I just checked, using a browser that didn't have me logged in and the default was "popular".  The search doesn't seem to of changed much.

remove your cookies and it will change. :)
I didn't have any cookies because I used chrome and I never visit SS with chrome.  I get the "popular" search by default with chrome and "relevant" with Firefox.  I was using Firefox with cookies disabled.

Well I think youre getting it wrong, somehow, everyone I know and thats plenty are getting relevancy, believe me, I can even hear its relevancy by the loud noise theyre making. :)

« Reply #55 on: August 05, 2012, 12:51 »
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Well folks! stop your grinning and drop your linnen because we are about to get whalloped! I didnt believe it but somebody pointed it out to me. They have changed their default to "relevancy"  and after doing some 20 searches in various fields I have to say. It is everything but "relevant", it is really, really bad with some really amateurish imagery right up front.
I dont know if this is an experiment or not, they were going to try it out, werent they and if buyers liked it, they would keep it?  well the only type of buyer who would like this, is the type of buyer an agency and contributor simply dont need.
I find it totally meaningless uploading to a search such as this.
Im afraid with this search we are back to square one, back to the IS best-match fiasco.
I just checked, using a browser that didn't have me logged in and the default was "popular".  The search doesn't seem to of changed much.

remove your cookies and it will change. :)
I didn't have any cookies because I used chrome and I never visit SS with chrome.  I get the "popular" search by default with chrome and "relevant" with Firefox.  I was using Firefox with cookies disabled.

Well I think youre getting it wrong, somehow, everyone I know and thats plenty are getting relevancy, believe me, I can even hear its relevancy by the loud noise theyre making. :)

Are you signed on as a buyer?

Lagereek

« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2012, 14:44 »
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Well folks! stop your grinning and drop your linnen because we are about to get whalloped! I didnt believe it but somebody pointed it out to me. They have changed their default to "relevancy"  and after doing some 20 searches in various fields I have to say. It is everything but "relevant", it is really, really bad with some really amateurish imagery right up front.
I dont know if this is an experiment or not, they were going to try it out, werent they and if buyers liked it, they would keep it?  well the only type of buyer who would like this, is the type of buyer an agency and contributor simply dont need.
I find it totally meaningless uploading to a search such as this.
Im afraid with this search we are back to square one, back to the IS best-match fiasco.
I just checked, using a browser that didn't have me logged in and the default was "popular".  The search doesn't seem to of changed much.

remove your cookies and it will change. :)
I didn't have any cookies because I used chrome and I never visit SS with chrome.  I get the "popular" search by default with chrome and "relevant" with Firefox.  I was using Firefox with cookies disabled.

Well I think youre getting it wrong, somehow, everyone I know and thats plenty are getting relevancy, believe me, I can even hear its relevancy by the loud noise theyre making. :)

Are you signed on as a buyer?

No, I am a contributor, photographer but I know plenty of buyers, and btw, just for a laugh, theyre all having trouble with every single search in every single agency, so its not just here, its everywhere.

« Reply #57 on: August 05, 2012, 14:47 »
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Well folks! stop your grinning and drop your linnen because we are about to get whalloped! I didnt believe it but somebody pointed it out to me. They have changed their default to "relevancy"  and after doing some 20 searches in various fields I have to say. It is everything but "relevant", it is really, really bad with some really amateurish imagery right up front.
I dont know if this is an experiment or not, they were going to try it out, werent they and if buyers liked it, they would keep it?  well the only type of buyer who would like this, is the type of buyer an agency and contributor simply dont need.
I find it totally meaningless uploading to a search such as this.
Im afraid with this search we are back to square one, back to the IS best-match fiasco.
I just checked, using a browser that didn't have me logged in and the default was "popular".  The search doesn't seem to of changed much.

remove your cookies and it will change. :)
I didn't have any cookies because I used chrome and I never visit SS with chrome.  I get the "popular" search by default with chrome and "relevant" with Firefox.  I was using Firefox with cookies disabled.

Well I think youre getting it wrong, somehow, everyone I know and thats plenty are getting relevancy, believe me, I can even hear its relevancy by the loud noise theyre making. :)

Are you signed on as a buyer?

No, I am a contributor, photographer but I know plenty of buyers, and btw, just for a laugh, theyre all having trouble with every single search in every single agency, so its not just here, its everywhere.

The cookies on the buyer side are slightly different than the submitter side and they affect search results as well as search default settings.

I do agree with you, the searches are a mess as a result of the sites trying to serve us content to fatten their bottom line.

Batman

« Reply #58 on: August 05, 2012, 21:01 »
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I just deleted cookies for all my browsers.

IE Default Search Setting = Relevant

Chrome Default Search Setting = Popular

FF Default Search Setting = Popular

I just did a search for some of my most popular images that have shown up in the first row of the most popular search for years.  

About half of them show up, the other half are no where to be found.  Last week different best sellers were missing from the popular search so they must demote them to the nether regions based on some type of rotating algorithm that changes frequently.

Unfortunately most of my best sellers do not show up at all using the relevant search. That being the case even though those images have been time tested and proven to have relevant keywords; by buyers who frequent use those keywords to find them often enough that they have end up in the first row of the popular search for years. I don't know what indices could be more relevant, the images certainly have had time to drop from the ranks, had they not been in demand by SS's buyers.

As a buyer I left IS because they insisted on serving me content I did not need or want, I will not hesitate to do the same if SS continues with these algorithms.

I agree with you 100%. Imagine whats it like for us contributors with large ports, its totally derrogative to upload fresh material since its going to get wasted with this Relevancy search. I believe this is supposed to be an experiment to see if buyers prefer this search, well, hard to believe they are going to prefer a search with tons of irrelevant material, isnt it?  so hopefully it gets back to normal and one can resume work.
Im sitting here with about 200, fresh files from one of the biggest shipping industries in the world,  uploading this right now and its all just wasted. :)

If new pictures get a boost you complain if new photos don't get a boost you complain, if best sellers get first place you complain if best sellers don't get first you complain. No making anybody happy with any search. Popular gives old pictures and not best sellers a chance now you complain.

Lagereek

« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2012, 00:32 »
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I just deleted cookies for all my browsers.

IE Default Search Setting = Relevant

Chrome Default Search Setting = Popular

FF Default Search Setting = Popular

I just did a search for some of my most popular images that have shown up in the first row of the most popular search for years.  

About half of them show up, the other half are no where to be found.  Last week different best sellers were missing from the popular search so they must demote them to the nether regions based on some type of rotating algorithm that changes frequently.

Unfortunately most of my best sellers do not show up at all using the relevant search. That being the case even though those images have been time tested and proven to have relevant keywords; by buyers who frequent use those keywords to find them often enough that they have end up in the first row of the popular search for years. I don't know what indices could be more relevant, the images certainly have had time to drop from the ranks, had they not been in demand by SS's buyers.

As a buyer I left IS because they insisted on serving me content I did not need or want, I will not hesitate to do the same if SS continues with these algorithms.

I agree with you 100%. Imagine whats it like for us contributors with large ports, its totally derrogative to upload fresh material since its going to get wasted with this Relevancy search. I believe this is supposed to be an experiment to see if buyers prefer this search, well, hard to believe they are going to prefer a search with tons of irrelevant material, isnt it?  so hopefully it gets back to normal and one can resume work.
Im sitting here with about 200, fresh files from one of the biggest shipping industries in the world,  uploading this right now and its all just wasted. :)

If new pictures get a boost you complain if new photos don't get a boost you complain, if best sellers get first place you complain if best sellers don't get first you complain. No making anybody happy with any search. Popular gives old pictures and not best sellers a chance now you complain.

Well....... you know,  show me somebody that never complains and I show you a nerd :) seriously, isnt it a matter of finding a balance in a search?  mixing old with new and with best sellers? etc. A search doesnt have to go all out, slaughtering only to show some new stuff. Its about finding a suitable balance, isnt it. That cant be too hard for these computer-gurus,  only, the search changes is purely an excuse for experimenting to increase profits, nothing else.

RacePhoto

« Reply #60 on: August 06, 2012, 00:49 »
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Well....... you know,  show me somebody that never complains and I show you a nerd :) seriously, isnt it a matter of finding a balance in a search?  mixing old with new and with best sellers? etc. A search doesnt have to go all out, slaughtering only to show some new stuff. Its about finding a suitable balance, isnt it. That cant be too hard for these computer-gurus,  only, the search changes is purely an excuse for experimenting to increase profits, nothing else.

If it increases their profits, doesn't it also increase our profits?

I'm always confused when someone says the search is hurting all of us. It has to move someone up, if it's moving someone else down? Someone gets more sales? Otherwise how would increasing our profits be a bad thing?

Lagereek

« Reply #61 on: August 06, 2012, 01:07 »
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Well....... you know,  show me somebody that never complains and I show you a nerd :) seriously, isnt it a matter of finding a balance in a search?  mixing old with new and with best sellers? etc. A search doesnt have to go all out, slaughtering only to show some new stuff. Its about finding a suitable balance, isnt it. That cant be too hard for these computer-gurus,  only, the search changes is purely an excuse for experimenting to increase profits, nothing else.

If it increases their profits, doesn't it also increase our profits?

I'm always confused when someone says the search is hurting all of us. It has to move someone up, if it's moving someone else down? Someone gets more sales? Otherwise how would increasing our profits be a bad thing?

Only, it never seems to increase our profits, does it? rather decrease if anything, hence all the complaints in every single forum. You know I dont understand some answers in this thread and some comments? I can only put it down to lack of knowledge, really.

Millions of buyers all over the world, have got one single tool to find our pictures, just one tool, the SEARCH!  thats it. Some weeks back I spoke to a long term friend, known the guy for 20 years and hes right up among the top 10 people in the entire Getty hierarchy.
He said to me, the search, any search, is the very heart of an internet based business, especially photo-agencies, in changing a search it is absoloutely vital to still show the sellers, since thats what brings in the money, the rest can be on an experimental level but you must still include the bread and butter sellers or else its going down.
Surely, you dont have to be an Einstein, to grasp this. :)

best.

« Reply #62 on: August 06, 2012, 03:16 »
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Lucky Oliver had a sidebar for people that had sold over 100 image there.  It was great, they let us pick the images that went in to it, so I put some of my new uploads in and they would hit the front page.  They had a chance of selling on that low selling site.  It would be great if the big sites had something like that for their big selling contributors, that make the most money for them.  Then they could mess around with the search and still keep their main contributors happy.  I also think it would be good for the buyers to see some new content from the biggest sellers on the first few pages.  SS could do this for anyone who's sold over 100,000 images.  I'm not there yet but it would be a big incentive to get there.

OM

« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2012, 18:57 »
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I'm not sure but I think the algo has been changed back to 'popular' as default.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/16594/16594/msg267002/#msg267002

RacePhoto

« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2012, 20:09 »
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Well....... you know,  show me somebody that never complains and I show you a nerd :) seriously, isnt it a matter of finding a balance in a search?  mixing old with new and with best sellers? etc. A search doesnt have to go all out, slaughtering only to show some new stuff. Its about finding a suitable balance, isnt it. That cant be too hard for these computer-gurus,  only, the search changes is purely an excuse for experimenting to increase profits, nothing else.

If it increases their profits, doesn't it also increase our profits?

I'm always confused when someone says the search is hurting all of us. It has to move someone up, if it's moving someone else down? Someone gets more sales? Otherwise how would increasing our profits be a bad thing?

Only, it never seems to increase our profits, does it? rather decrease if anything, hence all the complaints in every single forum. You know I dont understand some answers in this thread and some comments? I can only put it down to lack of knowledge, really.

Millions of buyers all over the world, have got one single tool to find our pictures, just one tool, the SEARCH!  thats it. Some weeks back I spoke to a long term friend, known the guy for 20 years and hes right up among the top 10 people in the entire Getty hierarchy.
He said to me, the search, any search, is the very heart of an internet based business, especially photo-agencies, in changing a search it is absoloutely vital to still show the sellers, since thats what brings in the money, the rest can be on an experimental level but you must still include the bread and butter sellers or else its going down.
Surely, you dont have to be an Einstein, to grasp this. :)

best.

True and it doesn't take Einstein or Blaise Pascal to look at the bottom line and My Sales Are Up! It also doesn't take Nostradamus or Freud to understand that when people complain, others will see the same connections and complain and if I believed what I read on Internet Forums, I'd be the dumbest person on Earth!  :D

Sorry I don't know anyone at Getty personally (to name drop or pretend I'm important and connected), so I can't quote the obvious. I'll make up my own... "People search for images and buy what they need by visual content."

You can lead a horse to water but you can't teach it to do the backstroke. People won't buy what they don't want and don't need. They actually have a mind and can think and make decisions. Your assumptions are rude and closed minded, assuming that buyers are idiots and shallow, their image buying is controlled by the search.

What's happening is the obvious, bets sellers, old images, most viewed and most popular aren't first anymore. It's opening doors and making more sales for some images that used to languish in the cellars of the searches. Yes I like it... all the way to the bank!


 

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