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« on: July 13, 2012, 00:04 »
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Looked at my port (sorted by most popular) by clicking the "your image gallery" link and the last two days it's been all jumbled up.  Other than the top 10, none of the pictures on the first page should be there.  Some have never sold even after a couple of years.  Results from yesterday and today are completely different but sill don't make sense.

My sales have been pretty typical but I noticed older files selling more than usual.  Not sure if this is a general search order change or what.  I don't like what I'm seeing--hope it's not permanent.


Lagereek

« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 00:31 »
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No!  still the same here.

Microstock Man

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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 02:14 »
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Theres a thread on the SS forum about this. I've noticed for a few weeks now, if you sort your portfolio by most popular, and then go to the last page of your port (presumably, should be the least popular images), it's not correct, plus it changes every hour or so. Files that have never sold are above files that do, files that are brand new are below old files with 0 or 1 sale etc.

rubyroo

« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 02:24 »
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Yes, mine went topsy-turvy over a month ago, and now it's had another flip around.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one!

Paulo M. F. Pires

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 03:24 »
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Big change here.... just 4 top sellers on first page. All others images are from same "new" batch's, including one entire serie of 10 images ( Editorial ), all without any sale so far.

Regarding sales, I've notice that:

- Regularly I sold old files ( one was  the first images I got accepted LOL )
- Between best sellers daily sales, ii'm getting sales over news files, but sequentially by batch date.

I think that such change is a good way to ensure that, all files, have a higher chance to get sales ...  ::)

« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2012, 03:43 »
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My first page is mostly old best sellers in the same order they've been for a while now.  There's only 3 relatively new images on the first page.  Might be because I'm not uploading much and what I'm uploading isn't as commercial as my older stuff.

« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2012, 04:21 »
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My first 50 or 60 images look as they should be with a couple of odd ones mixed in further down the page.

« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2012, 06:03 »
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It looks like they group similar keyword shots together. Also editorials with the same date are grouped.

« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2012, 12:24 »
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no, still the same

« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2012, 12:29 »
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its same with me too...

w7lwi

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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 20:57 »
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First couple of rows are fine.  After that there's no rationale to anything.  Totally mixed up.

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« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2012, 21:42 »
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The current Popular search is completely BS and wrong as of sometime yesterday if not before!

I now have images that have never sold that are now the most "Popular" and they are three years old and were some of the ones i used to get approved.

For instance number 22 of my most popular has never sold and is three years old so how can that be "Popular"?

And a bunch of my what used to be most "Popular" are now more then 5 pages into my port?

Sales have dropped while this has happened and yet before this everything was fine!

My first page of most popular has more than 75% of the images from my last page of images from three years ago that were the first ones i submitted!

So why is this happening?

My what used to be my most popular top three are now #3 / #4 and #11???

What was my #1 most popular has dropped to #4 and my #2 is now #3 in front of my what used to be #1 and my #3 is now #11????

Searching the site by keyword for one of my most popular that has always maintained number four status it is now number 61 so why the sudden drop?

It is all EFFED up!

« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2012, 21:48 »
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I'm still seeing this same weird ordering.  My sales are still pretty typical in quantity but mostly older files selling.

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2012, 23:53 »
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Well my ports most popular has changed?

As has the sites most popular search by keyword?

So i take it it is a revolving popular?

what?

RacePhoto

« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 00:38 »
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no, still the same

But the popular myth algorithm has new data?  ;)

Wim

« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2012, 04:56 »
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Seems so, less exposure on new but more sales on older images for me. Some are grouped according to keywords.

My income isn't negatively affected by this but I sure hope they know what they are doing and it's not because of bugs and what not.
One bug that does negatively affect my sales is the dissapearance of my latest approved work.
I received email notifications but the images do not show up in port or search.

Happy times!  :P

« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2012, 09:57 »
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no, still the same

But the popular myth algorithm has new data?  ;)

my most popular havent change a bit


WarrenPrice

« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2012, 10:15 »
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Something Ain't Right.  My "Popular" search option reminds me that my port contains some crap.  Several are being shown in the first ten and have NEVER sold.

"Most Relevant" displays what I would expect from "Popular" search.

"New" is not displaying the last ten image that were accepted.

And ... again, new images are not being displayed -- and ongoing bug that keeps getting temporarily fixed.  ??? :-\

Lagereek

« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2012, 06:12 »
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After seeing the results the last 3 days,  well, maybe they have changed their alogarithm and drastically as well. I wonder, is their search also geographically engineered? i.e. showing differant searches in differant parts of the world?  like IS do.

Seems a bit slow actually, hop its summer slowdown.

« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2012, 09:45 »
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After seeing the results the last 3 days,  well, maybe they have changed their alogarithm and drastically as well. I wonder, is their search also geographically engineered? i.e. showing differant searches in differant parts of the world?  like IS do.

Seems a bit slow actually, hop its summer slowdown.


It is more likely based on previous searches and social graphs of the sites buyers visit. However I suppose geo locations could be a factor as well. I think those who have a larger percentage of HCV images will see more of a change.  I know that my best sellers have dropped in the first page search results recently and as a result so have their sales.

Has anyone ever wondered why the cookies that the various micro sites load onto our systems keep getting fatter and fatter and each year more third party sites are involved in the process?  The sites use those cookies to gain info and track our activities on other sites, etc. They increasingly use that info to serve content and to manipulate resources (our images) to increase their own bottom line.  

I posted an old job listing for a SS search engine programmer earlier on this site a few months ago.  Now they are not going to publicly post sensitive search info in the job listing, but they do give us a few clues as to what the future holds as far as searches.

I know that various sites including SS change out third party cookies at different times of the year. Right now there are only a few cookies associated with third party data gathering services on many of the sites, but a few months ago the sites were using quite a few third party sites to track our activities as buyers.

http://www.shutterstock.com/jobs.mhtml?nl=1&jvi=o46KVfwz,Job&jvs=Indeed&jvk=Job
"Among other great benefits, Shutterstock offers competitive salaries, health and dental plans, 401k, company equity, daily breakfasts, weekly massages, discounted gym memberships"

http://www.shutterstock.com/jobs.mhtml?nl=1&jvi=oIjWVfwC,Job&jvs=Indeed&jvk=Job
"Job Posting for SS Search Engineer

We have a lot of challenging problems ahead of us, including:

    Helping customers find the images theyre looking for as fast as possible.
    Providing recommendations based on a customers searches, social graph, and other factors.
    Developing a framework to support rapid development of dynamic ranking algorithms.
    Creating a massively parallelized and real-time indexing process.
    Tracking search analytics and automatically acting on the results.

Our search engine is built on Perl and Solr.  Ideally you will have previous experience working with Solr and programming in Java. Being a JVM or Perl guru is an added bonus.  All candidates should have experience working on search engines and solving problems with large datasets."
« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 09:47 by gbalex »

Lagereek

« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2012, 09:56 »
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After seeing the results the last 3 days,  well, maybe they have changed their alogarithm and drastically as well. I wonder, is their search also geographically engineered? i.e. showing differant searches in differant parts of the world?  like IS do.

Seems a bit slow actually, hop its summer slowdown.


It is more likely based on previous searches and social graphs of the sites buyers visit. However I suppose geo locations could be a factor as well. I think those who have a larger percentage of HCV images will see more of a change.  I know that my best sellers have dropped in the first page search results recently and as a result so have their sales.

Has anyone ever wondered why the cookies that the various micro sites load onto our systems keep getting fatter and fatter and each year more third party sites are involved in the process?  The sites use those cookies to gain info and track our activities on other sites, etc. They increasingly use that info to serve content and to manipulate resources (our images) to increase their own bottom line.  

I posted an old job listing for a SS search engine programmer earlier on this site a few months ago.  Now they are not going to publicly post sensitive search info in the job listing, but they do give us a few clues as to what the future holds as far as searches.

I know that various sites including SS change out third party cookies at different times of the year. Right now there are only a few cookies associated with third party data gathering services on many of the sites, but a few months ago the sites were using quite a few third party sites to track our activities as buyers.

http://www.shutterstock.com/jobs.mhtml?nl=1&jvi=o46KVfwz,Job&jvs=Indeed&jvk=Job
"Among other great benefits, Shutterstock offers competitive salaries, health and dental plans, 401k, company equity, daily breakfasts, weekly massages, discounted gym memberships"

http://www.shutterstock.com/jobs.mhtml?nl=1&jvi=oIjWVfwC,Job&jvs=Indeed&jvk=Job
"Job Posting for SS Search Engineer

We have a lot of challenging problems ahead of us, including:

    Helping customers find the images theyre looking for as fast as possible.
    Providing recommendations based on a customers searches, social graph, and other factors.
    Developing a framework to support rapid development of dynamic ranking algorithms.
    Creating a massively parallelized and real-time indexing process.
    Tracking search analytics and automatically acting on the results.

Our search engine is built on Perl and Solr.  Ideally you will have previous experience working with Solr and programming in Java. Being a JVM or Perl guru is an added bonus.  All candidates should have experience working on search engines and solving problems with large datasets."


Oh well then I might apply for: chief in command search civil-engineer then :D  jokes apart, I started to notice a slow-down after last Friday, not just at SS but also at DT, FT. Funny it should all start on the same day/date. :)

« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2012, 11:43 »
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After seeing the results the last 3 days,  well, maybe they have changed their alogarithm and drastically as well. I wonder, is their search also geographically engineered? i.e. showing differant searches in differant parts of the world?  like IS do.

Seems a bit slow actually, hop its summer slowdown.


It is more likely based on previous searches and social graphs of the sites buyers visit. However I suppose geo locations could be a factor as well. I think those who have a larger percentage of HCV images will see more of a change.  I know that my best sellers have dropped in the first page search results recently and as a result so have their sales.

Has anyone ever wondered why the cookies that the various micro sites load onto our systems keep getting fatter and fatter and each year more third party sites are involved in the process?  The sites use those cookies to gain info and track our activities on other sites, etc. They increasingly use that info to serve content and to manipulate resources (our images) to increase their own bottom line.  

I posted an old job listing for a SS search engine programmer earlier on this site a few months ago.  Now they are not going to publicly post sensitive search info in the job listing, but they do give us a few clues as to what the future holds as far as searches.

I know that various sites including SS change out third party cookies at different times of the year. Right now there are only a few cookies associated with third party data gathering services on many of the sites, but a few months ago the sites were using quite a few third party sites to track our activities as buyers.

http://www.shutterstock.com/jobs.mhtml?nl=1&jvi=o46KVfwz,Job&jvs=Indeed&jvk=Job
"Among other great benefits, Shutterstock offers competitive salaries, health and dental plans, 401k, company equity, daily breakfasts, weekly massages, discounted gym memberships"

http://www.shutterstock.com/jobs.mhtml?nl=1&jvi=oIjWVfwC,Job&jvs=Indeed&jvk=Job
"Job Posting for SS Search Engineer

We have a lot of challenging problems ahead of us, including:

    Helping customers find the images theyre looking for as fast as possible.
    Providing recommendations based on a customers searches, social graph, and other factors.
    Developing a framework to support rapid development of dynamic ranking algorithms.
    Creating a massively parallelized and real-time indexing process.
    Tracking search analytics and automatically acting on the results.

Our search engine is built on Perl and Solr.  Ideally you will have previous experience working with Solr and programming in Java. Being a JVM or Perl guru is an added bonus.  All candidates should have experience working on search engines and solving problems with large datasets."


Oh well then I might apply for: chief in command search civil-engineer then :D  jokes apart, I started to notice a slow-down after last Friday, not just at SS but also at DT, FT. Funny it should all start on the same day/date. :)


Sounds like a good plan to me.  My sales are down as well, in comparison to previous years at this time of year.

« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2012, 12:50 »
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Something Ain't Right.  My "Popular" search option reminds me that my port contains some crap.  Several are being shown in the first ten and have NEVER sold.

"Most Relevant" displays what I would expect from "Popular" search.

That's what I've been seeing for about a month now...and the images change order once in a while in "Popular" and after a few pages in "Most Relevant."

ruxpriencdiam

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2012, 16:06 »
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Well my most popular has changed once again and this time all of my new stuff is now on page one of my most popular so there definitely is something going on!

Lagereek

« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2012, 17:14 »
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Best match, most relevant, etc,  is all crap!,  these searches dont work, have never worked and will never work. Reason why? these kind of searches are there to produce money for the governor, not the contributor, I.E.  total and utter, completely meaningless, idiotic, coning, burglary rubbish. nothing else. A scam!

Popular searches is what most buyers wants to see, reason for that: buyers of micro have very little in demand, just a webb shot will do.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 17:27 by Lagereek »


 

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