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« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2017, 00:25 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.
I'm still not sure whether you consider SS geniuses for being able to construct such an amazing algorithm or idiots. I reckon if they can  manipulate the internet market like that they should be nominated for the nobel prize for economics. is it exactly 50% over the same period?


« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2017, 04:07 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.
I'm still not sure whether you consider SS geniuses for being able to construct such an amazing algorithm or idiots. I reckon if they can  manipulate the internet market like that they should be nominated for the nobel prize for economics. is it exactly 50% over the same period?

Big words, in reality they "manipulate" only with their own search engine to achieve their goals, financially related goals like maximizing profit and non-financial related like fighting against spam.
Btw all our newly uploaded images in compare to older ones are currently treated like a spam by SS search engine until proved otherwise (you have to get some sales to deserve non-spam ranking), which is the main reason why new images are rarely sold since 2016. Exceptions are new contributor's images and images which are very specific.

OK, time for data mining part 2:
Q:What is the reason of capped income?
A:To keep largest possible number of contributors satisfied (with dimes).
FACT: Despite the strong words, 99% percent of contributors will be satisfied with any income no matter how small it is.
COMMENT: Comrade Stalin wasn't stupid at all, he figured it out without computers and fancy search engine algorithms.

p.s. I'm doing just fine with monthly variation of income less than 2% for the last 12 months. May was exception and up because of two huge direct sales at the end of the month (last two days) but June was down for exactly the same percentage, and both combined had variation of less then 1% from monthly average.  This is still good source of income for me, but I'm just a little unsatisfied because I'm not in control of anything anymore if I want to play legally. Just like * casino.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2017, 04:12 by Android Marvin (formerly mb) »

« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2017, 04:22 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.
I'm still not sure whether you consider SS geniuses for being able to construct such an amazing algorithm or idiots. I reckon if they can  manipulate the internet market like that they should be nominated for the nobel prize for economics. is it exactly 50% over the same period?


Big words, in reality they "manipulate" only with their own search engine to achieve their goals, financially related goals like maximizing profit and non-financial related like fighting against spam.
Btw all our newly uploaded images in compare to older ones are currently treated like a spam by SS search engine until proved otherwise (you have to get some sales to deserve non-spam ranking), which is the main reason why new images are rarely sold since 2016. Exceptions are new contributor's images and images which are very specific.

OK, time for data mining part 2:
Q:What is the reason of capped income?
A:To keep largest possible number of contributors satisfied (with dimes).
FACT: Despite the strong words, 99% percent of contributors will be satisfied with any income no matter how small it is.
COMMENT: Comrade Stalin wasn't stupid at all, he figured it out without computers and fancy search engine algorithms.

p.s. I'm doing just fine with monthly variation of income less than 2% for the last 12 months. May was exception and up because of two huge direct sales at the end of the month (last two days) but June was down for exactly the same percentage, and both combined had variation of less then 1% from monthly average.  This is still good source of income for me, but I'm just a little unsatisfied because I'm not in control of anything anymore if I want to play legally. Just like * casino.
Very interesting.
Perfectly agree with the above. Exactly what I have been trying to say for a while, but you expressed it much better than me (I am not native English speaker).
Let's go to lesson 3

« Reply #78 on: July 10, 2017, 05:04 »
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If you have 10 days without a single sale, you should re-evaluate your images first, instead of trying to come up with some conspiracy theroies.

Completely wrong recommendation if you have a selling port.  What if I have a year of great sales then those same images stop selling altogether for 10 days? I am to attribute that to my portfolio? That's just funny man.

Exact.

And it is not always a question of the quality of the images.
It can be a question of the the quality of the description and keywords.
I had some good images not selling at all because the description was not accurate, and so the keywords.
6 - 8 months after I had edited the descriptions and the keywords these images have begun to sell.
Why 6 - 8 months, this is a mystery for me, but I think that it is the time needed to the system to reindex the full portfolio (?)

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« Reply #79 on: July 10, 2017, 11:24 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.
I'm still not sure whether you consider SS geniuses for being able to construct such an amazing algorithm or idiots. I reckon if they can  manipulate the internet market like that they should be nominated for the nobel prize for economics. is it exactly 50% over the same period?

Big words, in reality they "manipulate" only with their own search engine to achieve their goals, financially related goals like maximizing profit and non-financial related like fighting against spam.
Btw all our newly uploaded images in compare to older ones are currently treated like a spam by SS search engine until proved otherwise (you have to get some sales to deserve non-spam ranking), which is the main reason why new images are rarely sold since 2016. Exceptions are new contributor's images and images which are very specific.

OK, time for data mining part 2:
Q:What is the reason of capped income?
A:To keep largest possible number of contributors satisfied (with dimes).
FACT: Despite the strong words, 99% percent of contributors will be satisfied with any income no matter how small it is.
COMMENT: Comrade Stalin wasn't stupid at all, he figured it out without computers and fancy search engine algorithms.

p.s. I'm doing just fine with monthly variation of income less than 2% for the last 12 months. May was exception and up because of two huge direct sales at the end of the month (last two days) but June was down for exactly the same percentage, and both combined had variation of less then 1% from monthly average.  This is still good source of income for me, but I'm just a little unsatisfied because I'm not in control of anything anymore if I want to play legally. Just like * casino.

Yep!  that just about sums it all up. Capped earnings the whole charade. Good one! :)

« Reply #80 on: July 10, 2017, 11:29 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.
I'm still not sure whether you consider SS geniuses for being able to construct such an amazing algorithm or idiots. I reckon if they can  manipulate the internet market like that they should be nominated for the nobel prize for economics. is it exactly 50% over the same period?

Big words, in reality they "manipulate" only with their own search engine to achieve their goals, financially related goals like maximizing profit and non-financial related like fighting against spam.
Btw all our newly uploaded images in compare to older ones are currently treated like a spam by SS search engine until proved otherwise (you have to get some sales to deserve non-spam ranking), which is the main reason why new images are rarely sold since 2016. Exceptions are new contributor's images and images which are very specific.

OK, time for data mining part 2:
Q:What is the reason of capped income?
A:To keep largest possible number of contributors satisfied (with dimes).
FACT: Despite the strong words, 99% percent of contributors will be satisfied with any income no matter how small it is.
COMMENT: Comrade Stalin wasn't stupid at all, he figured it out without computers and fancy search engine algorithms.

p.s. I'm doing just fine with monthly variation of income less than 2% for the last 12 months. May was exception and up because of two huge direct sales at the end of the month (last two days) but June was down for exactly the same percentage, and both combined had variation of less then 1% from monthly average.  This is still good source of income for me, but I'm just a little unsatisfied because I'm not in control of anything anymore if I want to play legally. Just like * casino.

Yep!  that just about sums it all up. Capped earnings the whole charade. Good one! :)
What happened to everyone going down 50%?

ngaga35

« Reply #81 on: July 10, 2017, 12:22 »
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I don't know what happened, but I think that they will go down as we eventually!
They are digging a hole for them self!

The buyers will go somewhere else if they don't have the quality. With this I don't think they have!


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« Reply #82 on: July 10, 2017, 12:38 »
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MG! spot on! eventually they will not prevail on al the generic and garbage they now tend to accept. Contributors will eventually stop uploading commercial quality images, too expensive to produce and too much hassle with releases and everything and then buyers will start going elsewhere. I dont want to mention any names but I know for a fact many buyers who goes to certain RF-agencies prepared to even pay a bit more money for a certain picky they are looking for.

angelawaye

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« Reply #83 on: July 10, 2017, 12:44 »
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So that is what is happening to new images, they are treated as spam. Makes sense now...

derek

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« Reply #84 on: July 10, 2017, 12:59 »
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So that is what is happening to new images, they are treated as spam. Makes sense now...

Yup!  thats it Angela. Spam and it makes sense. Just look at some of the stuff they accept.

« Reply #85 on: July 10, 2017, 13:23 »
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I know for a fact many buyers who goes to certain RF-agencies prepared to even pay a bit more money for a certain picky they are looking for.

I can even see a business opportunity for a smart aggregation company.

Some customers would definitely pay a finder's fee, to get to choose what they need, from a smaller, but well curated collection, instead of spending their valuable time digging those big piles of garbage and similars for hidden gems.

Bad Company

« Reply #86 on: July 10, 2017, 13:44 »
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at this rate Adobe stock will be our number one company for most of us. 

ngaga35

« Reply #87 on: July 10, 2017, 14:15 »
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Derek! Yes you right! That was my point to!


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« Reply #88 on: July 10, 2017, 20:38 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.

I was looking at July sales today and holy cow.  I will be lucky to make $300-$400 this month, compared to my normal three times that. Today I am at a under $150.  I would give exact numbers but we are not allowed to share real data from SS.  But you get the point.  In June they changed something in the search and, well, you can do the math. I will be 66% down from my norm. Norm=last several years (except for a few search changes that adjusted back to "normal").
« Last Edit: July 10, 2017, 20:41 by Mantis »

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« Reply #89 on: July 11, 2017, 01:26 »
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Same here^^. However I am beginning to believe there are other forces at play here. Think about it all the old staff is gone. I spoke to an x-employee whom I have known long before he joined SS goes all the way back to the Image-Bank and there are tons of crap going on in that company with lots of internal problems all the time. I suppose when the beancounters took over the first thing they changed was the searches/algorithms in order to make a quick financial kill.
Its quite obvious listening to him thay dont give a * about the company or its members or contributors.
They are also struggling like mad with their Offset not producing half of what was expected.


« Reply #90 on: July 11, 2017, 03:08 »
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I know for a fact many buyers who goes to certain RF-agencies prepared to even pay a bit more money for a certain picky they are looking for.

I can even see a business opportunity for a smart aggregation company.

Some customers would definitely pay a finder's fee, to get to choose what they need, from a smaller, but well curated collection, instead of spending their valuable time digging those big piles of garbage and similars for hidden gems.

The Shutterstock Enterprise Team already search for their Enterprise clients when required, I guess when they can't find what they want on Premier Select, which you could say is a smaller curated collection.  Enterprise buyers are certainly willing to pay a premium, that's where the high priced SODs come from, but maybe they can negotiate a discount as well.

« Reply #91 on: July 11, 2017, 05:19 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.

I was looking at July sales today and holy cow.  I will be lucky to make $300-$400 this month, compared to my normal three times that. Today I am at a under $150.  I would give exact numbers but we are not allowed to share real data from SS.  But you get the point.  In June they changed something in the search and, well, you can do the math. I will be 66% down from my norm. Norm=last several years (except for a few search changes that adjusted back to "normal").
How are you doing on other sites? Personally I seem to be experiencing a similar slowdown/crash nearly everywhere. Certainly since May my SS sales have fallen markedly.


« Reply #92 on: July 11, 2017, 05:45 »
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what i see is a clear tendency of jumping between new files and old one....last month especially last two weeks only new files seems to sell....now the last 5 days i practically sold only file from 2016 and older nothing with a 6 at beginning has sold....i sold file uploaded in 2008....i understand it can happen but when it happen often and constantly is clear that ss can change algorithm to drive sales where they need.

derek

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« Reply #93 on: July 11, 2017, 06:24 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.

I was looking at July sales today and holy cow.  I will be lucky to make $300-$400 this month, compared to my normal three times that. Today I am at a under $150.  I would give exact numbers but we are not allowed to share real data from SS.  But you get the point.  In June they changed something in the search and, well, you can do the math. I will be 66% down from my norm. Norm=last several years (except for a few search changes that adjusted back to "normal").
How are you doing on other sites? Personally I seem to be experiencing a similar slowdown/crash nearly everywhere. Certainly since May my SS sales have fallen markedly.

Youre right! but not everywhere. I see a rise at DT and DP but at nonbe of the main three.

« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2017, 07:19 »
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None of this makes any sense at all. How do you explain the incredible drop of exactly 50% straight down the line and almost to the penny hitting everyone I know that joined about 10 years back and all with commercial high-value portfolios including myself of course.

No not a conspiracy but certainly the search is manipulated killing off many contributors and aiding some other sections.

I was looking at July sales today and holy cow.  I will be lucky to make $300-$400 this month, compared to my normal three times that. Today I am at a under $150.  I would give exact numbers but we are not allowed to share real data from SS.  But you get the point.  In June they changed something in the search and, well, you can do the math. I will be 66% down from my norm. Norm=last several years (except for a few search changes that adjusted back to "normal").
How are you doing on other sites? Personally I seem to be experiencing a similar slowdown/crash nearly everywhere. Certainly since May my SS sales have fallen markedly.

Other sites are not anything like SS. They are 'maintaining' averages, IS down some but it is gradual.  DT is very cyclic, I'll admit. One month I will pull $200 the next $100.  But I have seen that for a long time.  Overall, SS has a drastic 'something going on' for me (and it sounds like many others, too.).  If SS stays like this, it's game over for me.  I won't bother trying to build my portfolio any longer for micro stock.

« Reply #95 on: July 11, 2017, 09:36 »
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LOL i am still under 200 dollar ill probably end up 66% down of a normal month.

« Reply #96 on: July 11, 2017, 10:12 »
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LOL i am still under 200 dollar ill probably end up 66% down of a normal month.

Sorry to hear that. The thing is its not like customers just stopped buying on june 1. So since i think most of us agree that a search change was the most likely cause, then a subset of contributors have to be winning.

« Reply #97 on: July 11, 2017, 10:22 »
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from 1 to 12 june my sales were roaring and i made in 12 days what i would normally make in a full month, clips, big sods, ELs galore, and then it fell of a cliff to the horror show it is now

« Reply #98 on: July 11, 2017, 16:20 »
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Every month this year has been great, but july is simply terrible. At this pace 20% of average.  :o. Sales basically stopped at july 1st. Weirdly pond5 is doing exceptionally well this month.

derek

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« Reply #99 on: July 11, 2017, 23:31 »
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BEAT the system??? Back in April I thought theres got to be a way to beat this crappy search etc so here is what I did. I picked 10 shots that had at least sold a few times each one I then deleted these and waited about a week and then re-uploaded these 10 shots re-arranging the keywords with new title/description and guess what. A few started to get almost immediate downloads and still is.
In the middle of June I did the same thing and with the same results!

So this seemed to work for me but of course there is no guarantee and since they constantly change the search it could be a bit of a hit and miss. The search dont know the age of a contributor and possibly give any new files a preference before old ones.

btw these 20 shots I experimented with are still selling much better then my old ones even better then the ones with thousands of downloads.


 

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