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« on: June 13, 2017, 00:45 »
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ss for me has no rhyme or reason, from the first day of june my sales have been back to normal and then some, the number of dls is still low, but the number of ELs and big SODs have dramatically increased. i have already made what i normally would make in a normal month and we are not even half way. if this continues i will double my BME. which is just plain weird. not complaining at all, just think they must have flicked a switch again


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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2017, 02:41 »
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haha! not here mate. Same old doom and gloom. You must be one of the lucky chosen. SS was the one for many years but I have sort of given up on micro nowadays and concentrate to 90 % on a couple of macro agencies. I do lots of assignment photography as well and its all very time concuming.:D
« Last Edit: June 13, 2017, 02:44 by derek »

« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2017, 03:44 »
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in the last 3 months my sales declined to about 50-60% of what i consider a normal month. i already made more in june, than i did in each of the 3 previous months individually. the only reason i can think of is a change in the search results. unless june falls of a cliff and completely halts, i will have a BME. fingers crossed. knock wood. etc

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2017, 04:16 »
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Yeah good luck to you!  hope it comes true! :)

« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2017, 05:30 »
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Even I think they tested some change. My start of june was very well, then it suddenly dropped for few days.. and back up again to normal.

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2017, 07:24 »
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Congrats! That is very good news to hear.

In a recent thread there were conspiracies of "capped earnings" - when you reach a certain point they turn your port off.

Let us know how the rest of your June goes so we can help prove or disprove these theories :) Will sales keep going great or fall off the cliff.

« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2017, 07:35 »
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Congrats! That is very good news to hear.

In a recent thread there were conspiracies of "capped earnings" - when you reach a certain point they turn your port off.

Let us know how the rest of your June goes so we can help prove or disprove these theories :) Will sales keep going great or fall off the cliff.
I think people carrying on believing what they want to believe.....good sales = "I'm a brilliant photographer" bad sales=  "SS have a vendetta against experienced/high earning/American/new content"

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2017, 09:48 »
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Congrats! That is very good news to hear.

In a recent thread there were conspiracies of "capped earnings" - when you reach a certain point they turn your port off.

Let us know how the rest of your June goes so we can help prove or disprove these theories :) Will sales keep going great or fall off the cliff.
I think people carrying on believing what they want to believe.....good sales = "I'm a brilliant photographer" bad sales=  "SS have a vendetta against experienced/high earning/American/new content"

Sounds like a Chinese proverb! ;D

« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2017, 10:29 »
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Looking at the 3rd zero day, not happened since my 1st month 7 years ago.

« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2017, 10:56 »
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It seems my sales are back to normal after the second BME last month. I think it's more because of customer's side than the algorithm. New month, new situation.

I don't believe in the capping. Last month I saw a guy reaching $10000 milestone in less time than reaching his $3000.

« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2017, 12:17 »
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Congrats! That is very good news to hear.

In a recent thread there were conspiracies of "capped earnings" - when you reach a certain point they turn your port off.

Let us know how the rest of your June goes so we can help prove or disprove these theories :) Will sales keep going great or fall off the cliff.
I think people carrying on believing what they want to believe.....good sales = "I'm a brilliant photographer" bad sales=  "SS have a vendetta against experienced/high earning/American/new content"

i think i just go by my experience and data. if you think otherwise, show me my comments where i claim to be brilliant or claim an ss vendetta. mr cynic.

« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2017, 07:41 »
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Congrats! That is very good news to hear.

In a recent thread there were conspiracies of "capped earnings" - when you reach a certain point they turn your port off.

Let us know how the rest of your June goes so we can help prove or disprove these theories :) Will sales keep going great or fall off the cliff.
I think people carrying on believing what they want to believe.....good sales = "I'm a brilliant photographer" bad sales=  "SS have a vendetta against experienced/high earning/American/new content"

i think i just go by my experience and data. if you think otherwise, show me my comments where i claim to be brilliant or claim an ss vendetta. mr cynic.
To be fair your posts are quite balanced but yes I am cynical about many of the posts that talk about their misfortune and jump on posts like yours to identify some kind of irrational conspiracy. I don't doubt the search algorithms change and can have dramatic effects on sales.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 07:46 by Pauws99 »

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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2017, 11:13 »
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I much rather prefer a conspiracy!  at least then we know why everything is just going wrong with SS these days!

« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2017, 11:29 »
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june as always goo d start slow in middle...good finish i 'm sure
last three days only subs. never happened. but ok.

dreamstime surprisingly this week better than ss and fotolia recovering.

« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2017, 11:32 »
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I much rather prefer a conspiracy!  at least then we know why everything is just going wrong with SS these days!
Thinking you know is not really the same as knowing  :o.

« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2017, 11:48 »
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I much rather prefer a conspiracy!  at least then we know why everything is just going wrong with SS these days!
Thinking you know is not really the same as knowing  :o.


... And you can never learn things you think you already know ... 8)

Sorry, I'm bored!
« Last Edit: June 14, 2017, 12:28 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2017, 11:55 »
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Conspiracy is so much fun!!!
Free Cornwall!


« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2017, 20:45 »
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Congrats! That is very good news to hear.

In a recent thread there were conspiracies of "capped earnings" - when you reach a certain point they turn your port off.

Let us know how the rest of your June goes so we can help prove or disprove these theories :) Will sales keep going great or fall off the cliff.
I think people carrying on believing what they want to believe.....good sales = "I'm a brilliant photographer" bad sales=  "SS have a vendetta against experienced/high earning/American/new content"

Must be that I'm brilliant all of a sudden. June is double the May total already. New files have no downloads, so my old ones are coming into style and I'm just brilliant and ahead of the curve. Or maybe people see ghosts in the shadows, aliens in the skies and believe that SS changes the search to benefit or punish us in some strange way?

They don't care about individuals, they care about the big picture, buyers and sales.

« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2017, 00:41 »
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awesome.

 i dont think people are rewarded or punished though , but i do think tge search is tweaked all the time. i had a blasting 2 weeks. and in the last 5 days i made 30 dollar. go figure

« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2017, 08:35 »
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awesome.

 i dont think people are rewarded or punished though , but i do think tge search is tweaked all the time. i had a blasting 2 weeks. and in the last 5 days i made 30 dollar. go figure

I think this is a good assessment.  Currently, I am on the receiving end of poor sales.  Just two weeks ago I was in the $40-$60 per day range and now I am consistently in the $12 per day range on stills and video is half or a third of what it is when I am doing well.  I am sure their tweaks are meant to either cut costs or try new things that align to higher sales (algorithm pilot tests of sorts).  One thing is for certain, I went into video to complement my still collection and sales have not grown one iota.  I still make the same amount I did with stills.  Perhaps I mitigated a drop in sales by adding video, who knows, but it is awful coincidental in such a short time that my sales would not jump with the addition of a new asset type.  That is the anecdotal evidence I use to claim that revenue is generally fixed, but I have no proof other than the behavior of my portfolio.

« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2017, 06:38 »
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awesome.

 i dont think people are rewarded or punished though , but i do think tge search is tweaked all the time. i had a blasting 2 weeks. and in the last 5 days i made 30 dollar. go figure

I think this is a good assessment.  Currently, I am on the receiving end of poor sales.  Just two weeks ago I was in the $40-$60 per day range and now I am consistently in the $12 per day range on stills and video is half or a third of what it is when I am doing well.  I am sure their tweaks are meant to either cut costs or try new things that align to higher sales (algorithm pilot tests of sorts).  One thing is for certain, I went into video to complement my still collection and sales have not grown one iota.  I still make the same amount I did with stills.  Perhaps I mitigated a drop in sales by adding video, who knows, but it is awful coincidental in such a short time that my sales would not jump with the addition of a new asset type.  That is the anecdotal evidence I use to claim that revenue is generally fixed, but I have no proof other than the behavior of my portfolio.
I am very interested on this, would you mind to develop (portfolio size, etc.)?
I only did video until a couple of months ago and SS is my best selling agency by a country mile. In the last couple of months I have uploaded 600 pics.
So far I have not noticed any decrease on video sale, but of course it is too soon to tell.
I have heard other people saying that sale in pics make sales of footage go down and of course if that is true I would immediately erase all the pics uploaded

« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2017, 08:19 »
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awesome.

 i dont think people are rewarded or punished though , but i do think tge search is tweaked all the time. i had a blasting 2 weeks. and in the last 5 days i made 30 dollar. go figure

I think this is a good assessment.  Currently, I am on the receiving end of poor sales.  Just two weeks ago I was in the $40-$60 per day range and now I am consistently in the $12 per day range on stills and video is half or a third of what it is when I am doing well.  I am sure their tweaks are meant to either cut costs or try new things that align to higher sales (algorithm pilot tests of sorts).  One thing is for certain, I went into video to complement my still collection and sales have not grown one iota.  I still make the same amount I did with stills.  Perhaps I mitigated a drop in sales by adding video, who knows, but it is awful coincidental in such a short time that my sales would not jump with the addition of a new asset type.  That is the anecdotal evidence I use to claim that revenue is generally fixed, but I have no proof other than the behavior of my portfolio.
I am very interested on this, would you mind to develop (portfolio size, etc.)?
I only did video until a couple of months ago and SS is my best selling agency by a country mile. In the last couple of months I have uploaded 600 pics.
So far I have not noticed any decrease on video sale, but of course it is too soon to tell.
I have heard other people saying that sale in pics make sales of footage go down and of course if that is true I would immediately erase all the pics uploaded

I have about 3500 images and 1200 videos. Videos make up about 20% of the revenue.  To be fair, I haven't produced traditional stock themes in a while because I am tired of working my butt off and not seeing any return on my investment.  I have been submitting travel shots, which generally don't sell in the volume of classic stock (isolations, people-business, etc.). All of my SOD's (big sales) are of traditional, boring (more or less) stock images.

« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2017, 11:21 »
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awesome.

 i dont think people are rewarded or punished though , but i do think tge search is tweaked all the time. i had a blasting 2 weeks. and in the last 5 days i made 30 dollar. go figure

I think this is a good assessment.  Currently, I am on the receiving end of poor sales.  Just two weeks ago I was in the $40-$60 per day range and now I am consistently in the $12 per day range on stills and video is half or a third of what it is when I am doing well.  I am sure their tweaks are meant to either cut costs or try new things that align to higher sales (algorithm pilot tests of sorts).  One thing is for certain, I went into video to complement my still collection and sales have not grown one iota.  I still make the same amount I did with stills.  Perhaps I mitigated a drop in sales by adding video, who knows, but it is awful coincidental in such a short time that my sales would not jump with the addition of a new asset type.  That is the anecdotal evidence I use to claim that revenue is generally fixed, but I have no proof other than the behavior of my portfolio.
I am very interested on this, would you mind to develop (portfolio size, etc.)?
I only did video until a couple of months ago and SS is my best selling agency by a country mile. In the last couple of months I have uploaded 600 pics.
So far I have not noticed any decrease on video sale, but of course it is too soon to tell.
I have heard other people saying that sale in pics make sales of footage go down and of course if that is true I would immediately erase all the pics uploaded

I have about 3500 images and 1200 videos. Videos make up about 20% of the revenue.  To be fair, I haven't produced traditional stock themes in a while because I am tired of working my butt off and not seeing any return on my investment.  I have been submitting travel shots, which generally don't sell in the volume of classic stock (isolations, people-business, etc.). All of my SOD's (big sales) are of traditional, boring (more or less) stock images.
Thank you for sharing.
Wow, this is really surprising, there is certainly something strange there. Your percentage coming from video should be much higher, although sales in video take much more time to come, so if you have started footage recently may partly explain.
I have never done isolations and I don't have a single clip model released, but I do not complain with my results

« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2017, 08:00 »
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real there is still somebody that don't think ss and other agency are controlling the level of sale for any contributor?
do you think that company like monkey business for example, who employ 10 15 people and have cost of 200 thousand pound minimum year, still produce content without any insurance that at least they file will be positioned good? dreamer


« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2017, 10:18 »
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real there is still somebody that don't think ss and other agency are controlling the level of sale for any contributor?
do you think that company like monkey business for example, who employ 10 15 people and have cost of 200 thousand pound minimum year, still produce content without any insurance that at least they file will be positioned good? dreamer

No I don't think the agencies conspire to control or manipulate our income or sales.
No I don't believe that they insure sales and money to the big ones.

My sales go up and down. Some with the seasons, some for the time of year that images are needed, sometimes lower just because the whole market goes down. I upload more, I sell more, but it's not a direct ratio or relationship. Now and then I get a better image with more demand which takes off and sells over and over. We are up against a million new images a week, how does anyone expect we can continue to grow or hold our sales against that?

Instead of blaming the agency and making claims of agencies manipulating our sales or income, people should spend more time finding good, interesting, new subjects to upload. Making more of what there's all ready too much of, is just chasing your tail. Copying popular is also just chasing a bus that already left, and you missed it.


 

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