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« on: May 18, 2022, 13:51 »
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I painted an abstract canvas in acrylic with a pallet knife and took a picture of it.  I have a dozen of these.  After finally getting the property release right for SS, the image was rejected again with a note to make it an illustration, not a photograph.  What?  Is this the new normal for photographs of art?


« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2022, 14:28 »
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To be honest, if I did an illustration and photographed it - just the whole painting, not with canvas, frame, room surrounding, etc. -  I would actully mark it as illustration and not as photograph, because it is a digitalized painting.
Also, consider this: Imagine a customer is looking for what you have created - Would he search under photography or illustration for it? I know if I wanted an image of an acryl painting, I would not search under the photography category. I don't think you are doing yourself a favor by even trying to submit this as photography.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2022, 14:30 by Firn »

« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2022, 15:21 »
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I painted an abstract canvas in acrylic with a pallet knife and took a picture of it.  I have a dozen of these.  After finally getting the property release right for SS, the image was rejected again with a note to make it an illustration, not a photograph.  What?  Is this the new normal for photographs of art?

I think you have to select a illustration category for it and that's that. BTW, requesting property release for your own art is most annoying thing ever.

« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2022, 15:24 »
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To be honest, if I did an illustration and photographed it - just the whole painting, not with canvas, frame, room surrounding, etc. -  I would actully mark it as illustration and not as photograph, because it is a digitalized painting.
Also, consider this: Imagine a customer is looking for what you have created - Would he search under photography or illustration for it? I know if I wanted an image of an acryl painting, I would not search under the photography category. I don't think you are doing yourself a favor by even trying to submit this as photography.

I never thought of it that way.  It's a first for me as I say.  I see other stock photographs of famous (and not so famous) paintings and have never thought this would be classified as an illustration.

« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2022, 22:00 »
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Ofcourse it's illustration. You cant' upload canvas, right? So you have to take photo of it

« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2022, 09:07 »
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Well, the consensus is indeed on your side.  But I have my doubts. 
At other sites and even at SS these images have sold as photographs.  If I use my camera and take a picture, I'm inclined to call it a photographic image.  I've taken other totally abstract images with my camera.  If I use colored water and glass, for example, or acrylic paint and canvas, makes little difference to me.  Both are photographs labelled as a graphic resource.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2022, 10:36 »
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Well, the consensus is indeed on your side.  But I have my doubts. 
At other sites and even at SS these images have sold as photographs.  If I use my camera and take a picture, I'm inclined to call it a photographic image.  I've taken other totally abstract images with my camera.  If I use colored water and glass, for example, or acrylic paint and canvas, makes little difference to me.  Both are photographs labelled as a graphic resource.

Then everything in the world that you photograph is a photograph? Like a drawing, a painting, a doodle, or a design pattern or background, because "it's a photograph". ?  :)

I went through the same dilemma with IS. What images were "illustrations" and what were Photos. If the image was a photo of a line drawing illustration of a castle (as an example) it was a photo. If it was and illustration of a person, it was an illustration. There's some line between how detailed the illustration was. I don't care, it was back when they decided 15% for photo and 20% for illustrations and many of my obvious illustrations are now photos.

How is that related? Well a photo of a drawing, which is an illustration, may be a illustration or may be a photo.  ;)

Anyway a painting is easier, it's a photo. Now if they had a designation for Graphic Resources and didn't divide between photo or illustration, I'm with you.

« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2022, 11:06 »
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Yes Pete: everything I shoot with my camera is a photograph  ;)
I was thinking of Adobe Stock that accepts these kinds of photos as photos under the "graphic resources" category.  For Shutterstock I use the category "Abstract".

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2022, 12:52 »
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Yes Pete: everything I shoot with my camera is a photograph  ;)
I was thinking of Adobe Stock that accepts these kinds of photos as photos under the "graphic resources" category.  For Shutterstock I use the category "Abstract".

And in case I didn't say so, I still don't know the difference at IS between Illustration and a Photo (of an illustration). Mostly the easy part, 5% less money. Once I got into making Vectors out of some of these Photos of Illustrations, I hope all of those are clearly Illustrations now? I stopped uploading to IS. I had a "mission" to hit 1,000 files again since I was once at over 4,000. Seems kind of low but for what they pay, it was just a number.

I do have sympathy for definitions and limits. By the way, just for fun, this is a vector of mine.



Made from a real photo that I took in 1989, but being film it would never pass, so I made it into something else, black and white. I mean, all Black or White, no other tones or colors.

Photo or illustration?

« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2022, 22:03 »
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Heavy photoshoped photo

« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2022, 07:29 »
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Heavy photoshoped photo
Wait - are you saying a photograph of art is an illustration, but a vector of an image is a photograph?  I'm not following.  I know what a heavily processed image is, but I would say that does not include a vector.

« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2022, 08:56 »
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Heavy photoshoped photo
Wait - are you saying a photograph of art is an illustration, but a vector of an image is a photograph?  I'm not following.  I know what a heavily processed image is, but I would say that does not include a vector.

Ah, I missed that is vector. Not it's not photograph then.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2022, 13:09 »
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Heavy photoshoped photo
Wait - are you saying a photograph of art is an illustration, but a vector of an image is a photograph?  I'm not following.  I know what a heavily processed image is, but I would say that does not include a vector.

Ah, I missed that is vector. Not it's not photograph then.

Doesn't matter, it was a photo, then a heavily photoshopped (or something else) version. I actually took some liberty and moved some of the stones on the left, closer to make a "better" image. Then after greyscale, did a trace in black and white, 2 tone, to make the EPS.

The point is, when does it stop being a photo and become an illustrations? As Reimer has wondered, when he takes a photo of a painting, is it a photo or an illustration? I was just going way overboard and extreme.

When is a photo, not a photo?

I can only say that when the photo is of something that's not a photo to start with, then it's art or illustration. The IS question was when is an illustration, not an illustration, but it's a photo?

I don't think there are any easy answers for any of this.


« Last Edit: October 21, 2022, 11:34 by Uncle Pete »


 

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