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« on: July 13, 2020, 22:16 »
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I have been monitoring content totals and looking at new uploads at Shutterstock, and on Saturday noticed that the totals were the same late in the day as on Saturday morning. No updates Sunday or Monday morning.

There was a post Monday in the Shutterstock forums:

"Approved content is taking longer than usual to be published. We expect everything to be back to normal by end of business (New York time) tomorrow."

https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/100692-accepted-content-not-being-added-to-port/?do=findComment&comment=1858455

From Saturday morning through Tuesday afternoon is a very, very long outage and it makes me wonder if they're making changes (rather than fixing bugs).

They disabled my account so I couldn't do anything even if I was inclined to, but possibly now might be a good time to grab anything you've a mind to in case it's no longer there after the changes.

Or this is just a very long bug fix and I'm concerned over nothing :)



« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2020, 02:34 »
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It's not the first time this is happening. I don't know how they keep "breaking" this all the time and surely having no new content showing up for days is not good for them (looks bad for customers who get the same images when looking at fresh content for days and think no new content is being added, is bad for contributors, because once the images finally get added they will be days old and be burried on later pages from the start), but I've exeperienced this problem about every 3-4 montsh ever since I joined Shutterstock. I am sure you can even find many older threads about it. It's a repeating pattern and usually, once the issue is fixed, nothing changes, so I would not interpret too much into this.

« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2020, 05:23 »
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Id put this down more to incompetence than anything deliberately to be honest.
They have a long history of things breaking and them messing up fixes, sometimes for extended periods of time.
For a company who's entire existence relies on their web interface and IP they have some of the worst IT security and dev i've seen in a large company.  Also, no matter what breaks it seems nobody ever works weekends to fix it.

« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2020, 07:39 »
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despite my SS account disabled, I was able to delete all my images (system bug?)
All I left was the only one really worth 10 cents :
https://luisafumi.com/images/toilet.jpg

Shelma1

« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2020, 09:20 »
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I have been monitoring content totals and looking at new uploads at Shutterstock, and on Saturday noticed that the totals were the same late in the day as on Saturday morning. No updates Sunday or Monday morning.

There was a post Monday in the Shutterstock forums:

"Approved content is taking longer than usual to be published. We expect everything to be back to normal by end of business (New York time) tomorrow."

https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/100692-accepted-content-not-being-added-to-port/?do=findComment&comment=1858455

From Saturday morning through Tuesday afternoon is a very, very long outage and it makes me wonder if they're making changes (rather than fixing bugs).

They disabled my account so I couldn't do anything even if I was inclined to, but possibly now might be a good time to grab anything you've a mind to in case it's no longer there after the changes.

Or this is just a very long bug fix and I'm concerned over nothing :)

I'm sure they're changing things. Too big a coincidence.

« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2020, 13:52 »
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but I've experienced this problem about every 3-4 montsh ever since I joined Shutterstock.
There's a big difference between your experience and frozen base. Yes, it's still frozen now. I do track some things and I see the same vectors in Newest since yesterday. Not a single image added. Publishing lag can affect portfolios, but something new will appear all the time anyway. Now they are just freeze for a 4 days.

« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2020, 22:59 »
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Ok, they fixed it.

« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2020, 02:00 »
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but I've experienced this problem about every 3-4 montsh ever since I joined Shutterstock.
There's a big difference between your experience and frozen base. Yes, it's still frozen now. I do track some things and I see the same vectors in Newest since yesterday. Not a single image added. Publishing lag can affect portfolios, but something new will appear all the time anyway. Now they are just freeze for a 4 days.

Nope. As I have said. What is happening now is exactly what I have experienced in the past. It's a technical error Shutterstock keeps fighting with every few months.

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2020, 10:03 »
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but I've experienced this problem about every 3-4 montsh ever since I joined Shutterstock.
There's a big difference between your experience and frozen base. Yes, it's still frozen now. I do track some things and I see the same vectors in Newest since yesterday. Not a single image added. Publishing lag can affect portfolios, but something new will appear all the time anyway. Now they are just freeze for a 4 days.

Nope. As I have said. What is happening now is exactly what I have experienced in the past. It's a technical error Shutterstock keeps fighting with every few months.

For years...  :)

327,314,999 is the search number

Over 327,118,204 royalty-free images with 506,889 new stock images added weekly.

Is bottom of the page promo. Also the same as usual, they are never in sync. or identical. When the real numbers were going down, the promo was higher. Now it's the other way.

« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2020, 13:49 »
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but I've experienced this problem about every 3-4 montsh ever since I joined Shutterstock.
There's a big difference between your experience and frozen base. Yes, it's still frozen now. I do track some things and I see the same vectors in Newest since yesterday. Not a single image added. Publishing lag can affect portfolios, but something new will appear all the time anyway. Now they are just freeze for a 4 days.

Nope. As I have said. What is happening now is exactly what I have experienced in the past. It's a technical error Shutterstock keeps fighting with every few months.

For years...  :)

327,314,999 is the search number

Over 327,118,204 royalty-free images with 506,889 new stock images added weekly.

Is bottom of the page promo. Also the same as usual, they are never in sync. or identical. When the real numbers were going down, the promo was higher. Now it's the other way.

not fair! you're using facts to support your case!

« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2020, 15:21 »
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but I've experienced this problem about every 3-4 montsh ever since I joined Shutterstock.
There's a big difference between your experience and frozen base. Yes, it's still frozen now. I do track some things and I see the same vectors in Newest since yesterday. Not a single image added. Publishing lag can affect portfolios, but something new will appear all the time anyway. Now they are just freeze for a 4 days.

Nope. As I have said. What is happening now is exactly what I have experienced in the past. It's a technical error Shutterstock keeps fighting with every few months.

For years...  :)

327,314,999 is the search number

Over 327,118,204 royalty-free images with 506,889 new stock images added weekly.

Is bottom of the page promo. Also the same as usual, they are never in sync. or identical. When the real numbers were going down, the promo was higher. Now it's the other way.

not fair! you're using facts to support your case!

AI makes up those bottom of page numbers.

« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2020, 17:04 »
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but I've experienced this problem about every 3-4 montsh ever since I joined Shutterstock.
There's a big difference between your experience and frozen base. Yes, it's still frozen now. I do track some things and I see the same vectors in Newest since yesterday. Not a single image added. Publishing lag can affect portfolios, but something new will appear all the time anyway. Now they are just freeze for a 4 days.

Nope. As I have said. What is happening now is exactly what I have experienced in the past. It's a technical error Shutterstock keeps fighting with every few months.

For years...  :)

327,314,999 is the search number

Over 327,118,204 royalty-free images with 506,889 new stock images added weekly.

Is bottom of the page promo. Also the same as usual, they are never in sync. or identical. When the real numbers were going down, the promo was higher. Now it's the other way.

not fair! you're using facts to support your case!

AI makes up those bottom of page numbers.


Numbers. Made-up or cooked, it can be. But they are numbers. Database, numbers, real or fictitious. Numbers. Any relationship with Intelligence, be it real or virtual, is science fiction. The closest thing to AI in SS is when they do a Google search. If there were Intelligence of any kind, real or virtual in SS, they would not have disappeared as an agency. SS does not have AI technology, and even less in some numbers in the database. Real or not. They do not have AI technology.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2020, 17:14 by Tenebroso »

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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2020, 17:36 »
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I was just over there perusing the message boards and I read plenty of people uploading new content.  So all this protesting might not be as effective but on the other hand they are mostly of photos of the same likeness and other similar quality. 🤷

I still haven't made payout to pause my account yet cause of my small port. Not really fair to small ports these days.  ::)

« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2020, 18:40 »
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Microstock is a business. It is not relevant for someone to upload files to SS. It's something temporary. People who upload images have not had time to approach a calculator and calculate the number of sales to obtain an economic benefit.

In conclusion, in the social network style, having downloads generates a hormone of pleasure, similar to the points in the posts of this forum. The pleasure of having downloads, but without economic benefit. therefore, uploading files is a matter of time.


After acquiring 300 million files, they have considered disappearing from the market. When faced with new events, such as; Christmas, end of COVID, Black Friday, New Year, customers will be leaving. Since they need the material found at Adobe. It is not relevant that someone for the satisfaction of a download without economic benefit for the contributor, a heart or a LIKE upload files to Microstock Agencies.

Microstocker are a philosophy of life, SS is not part of our world. SS does not exist.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2020, 18:51 by Tenebroso »

« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2020, 00:02 »
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That's the difference between a hobby and a business. You do the second one with an intent to profit.

Got this off twitter but it gives a decent overview of the cost of shooting. As a hobby, sure shoot upload get some fries money. As a business you'll need to check if that time is better spent elsewhere

https://improvephotography.com/49988/photography-pricing-calculating-your-cost-of-doing-business/

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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2020, 13:41 »
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but I've experienced this problem about every 3-4 montsh ever since I joined Shutterstock.
There's a big difference between your experience and frozen base. Yes, it's still frozen now. I do track some things and I see the same vectors in Newest since yesterday. Not a single image added. Publishing lag can affect portfolios, but something new will appear all the time anyway. Now they are just freeze for a 4 days.

Nope. As I have said. What is happening now is exactly what I have experienced in the past. It's a technical error Shutterstock keeps fighting with every few months.

For years...  :)

327,314,999 is the search number

Over 327,118,204 royalty-free images with 506,889 new stock images added weekly.

Is bottom of the page promo. Also the same as usual, they are never in sync. or identical. When the real numbers were going down, the promo was higher. Now it's the other way.

not fair! you're using facts to support your case!

AI makes up those bottom of page numbers.

that's the problem!!! someone posts ACTUAL data and rather than doing some research to support your position you blurt out unsupported nonsense based on your prejudices

unfortunately you're not alone -- you've got plenty of company here (and on the internet in general)

« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2020, 13:49 »
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Numbers. Made-up or cooked,.... i

 SS does not have AI technology, and even less in some numbers in the database. Real or not. They do not have AI technology.

your conclusions are made up or cooked (how do you know what capabilities SS has)

again a case of cherry picking -- for YEARS people have been complaining about AI being used in reviews. plus, AI is what the search ALGORITHM is - again complained.

you may not like or approve of the AI that SS uses, but that doesn't prove your claim


« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2020, 13:56 »
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That's the difference between a hobby and a business. You do the second one with an intent to profit.
...
Got this off twitter but it gives a decent overview of the cost of shooting. As a hobby, sure shoot upload get some fries money. As a business you'll need to check if that time is better spent elsewhere...
 

who here spends $8400 each year on photo equipment?

who needs an office to do microstock?

almost all those numbers are ridiculously high.

« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2020, 14:03 »
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Microstock is a business. It is not relevant for someone to upload files to SS. It's something temporary. People who upload images have not had time to approach a calculator and calculate the number of sales to obtain an economic benefit.

says you - once again broad brush generalities with no evidence.




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After acquiring 300 million files, they have considered disappearing from the market.

Huh?? i thought the whole point of the protest was that SS was shafting artists while CONTINUING to make money??

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When faced with new events, such as; Christmas, end of COVID, Black Friday, New Year, customers will be leaving. Since they need the material found at Adobe. It is not relevant that someone for the satisfaction of a download without economic benefit for the contributor, a heart or a LIKE upload files to Microstock Agencies.
 

why 'leaving' when they can find what they need on SS?  holidays usually show an INCREASE in sales (3-4 months before the holiday). and covid will affect ALL agencies, not SS only. finally most buyers have no idea what a contributor gets from a sale, or that it has decreased

« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2020, 14:39 »
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That's the difference between a hobby and a business. You do the second one with an intent to profit.

Got this off twitter but it gives a decent overview of the cost of shooting. As a hobby, sure shoot upload get some fries money. As a business you'll need to check if that time is better spent elsewhere

https://improvephotography.com/49988/photography-pricing-calculating-your-cost-of-doing-business/

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Please note that not all microstockers are Photographers.

1200$ annual on computer equipment it's a bit exaggereted. Unless you are into 3d realistic render, dynamics, fluids simulations...
Phone... 6 euros/months for unlimited calls and 40gb internet (here in Italy)
Internet services, 24 euros/month for 200MB fiber (in Italy)
Veichle expenses... zero, i work from home.
Office?...zero, i work from home.
Training...about 600 euros/year for me, plus a lot of free tutorials

I don't know where this list is coming from, but, for me, it seems, a bit unrealistic.
Postage and shipping??? Really???  ;D




« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2020, 16:53 »
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Please note that not all microstockers are Photographers.

1200$ annual on computer equipment it's a bit exaggereted. Unless you are into 3d realistic render, dynamics, fluids simulations...
Phone... 6 euros/months for unlimited calls and 40gb internet (here in Italy)
Internet services, 24 euros/month for 200MB fiber (in Italy)
Veichle expenses... zero, i work from home.
Office?...zero, i work from home.
Training...about 600 euros/year for me, plus a lot of free tutorials

I don't know where this list is coming from, but, for me, it seems, a bit unrealistic.
Postage and shipping??? Really???  ;D
exactly
i pay $25/mo for phone (not that i need it for photography), $30/mo for internet, nothing for car or 'office' or training - and of course many of these only count for a small part of the cost (eg, what else do you use phone, computer, car, etc)

the only item out of whack is ofice space - where  can you find an office for $400/mo?
« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 18:30 by cascoly »

« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2020, 17:05 »
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That's the difference between a hobby and a business. You do the second one with an intent to profit.

Got this off twitter but it gives a decent overview of the cost of shooting. As a hobby, sure shoot upload get some fries money. As a business you'll need to check if that time is better spent elsewhere

newbielink:https://improvephotography.com/49988/photography-pricing-calculating-your-cost-of-doing-business/ [nonactive]

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Please note that not all microstockers are Photographers.

1200$ annual on computer equipment it's a bit exaggereted. Unless you are into 3d realistic render, dynamics, fluids simulations...
Phone... 6 euros/months for unlimited calls and 40gb internet (here in Italy)
Internet services, 24 euros/month for 200MB fiber (in Italy)
Veichle expenses... zero, i work from home.
Office?...zero, i work from home.
Training...about 600 euros/year for me, plus a lot of free tutorials

I don't know where this list is coming from, but, for me, it seems, a bit unrealistic.
Postage and shipping??? Really???  ;D




Yes, there may be costs on that list which are irrelevant to your particular situation. But when you really examine the cost of business, there's lots of hidden money drains. If you work from home you are probably paying rent or mortgage for the home or room you sleep/work from unless you live with parents. So part of that $ a week you pay for the roof over your head needs to be associated with your expenses ( an accountant will claim this back for you from your taxes paid).

Camera equipment: I'm a videographer, if I don't want to be left behind I need to upgrade my camera every few years. When I first started shooting it was a Sony DSR 570 4:3 (DINOSAUR !), now anything less than 4K video hardly sells, IMO. So there is a need to spend US$10K every 3 or 4 years to upgrade to a quality that buyers are targeting. So spread that over 4 years there is $2500 a year minimum. Same with computer, you might get 5 years out of a computer before it is outdated, dies or struggles with newer rendering demands etc. (even as a motion designer) so the cost of a new hi spec computer spread over 5 years, lets say $700 a year.(and that is without taking into account peripherals, new printer, hard drives etc.)

Vehicle expenses, must come to something, unless you walk or bike everywhere. Train cost, bus, car. If you are living off this microstock as a job then all your movement costs have to be factored in. Going to get groceries, Dr. visits, holidays etc. all drain from your microstock sales. If you are not factoring all these things into your business model then you're probably not paying tax on it, the breaking news for you is: You've got a HOBBY. The Postage and shipping costs do seem strange. Maybe it is an outdated list, back when people posted their stock hard drives to agencies, before FTP servers became a thing.

PS: on a side note, I encourage everyone reading this to dump SS,  don't JUST put your catalogue on hold. Make a statement, remove your content !!!! leaving it on shows them you're rolling on your back for a tummy rub. Submissive. Peace out !

« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2020, 17:51 »
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PS: on a side note, I encourage everyone reading this to dump SS,  don't JUST put your catalogue on hold. Make a statement, remove your content !!!! leaving it on shows them you're rolling on your back for a tummy rub. Submissive.

I agree.

« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2020, 18:04 »
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Numbers. Made-up or cooked,.... i

 SS does not have AI technology, and even less in some numbers in the database. Real or not. They do not have AI technology.

your conclusions are made up or cooked (how do you know what capabilities SS has)

again a case of cherry picking -- for YEARS people have been complaining about AI being used in reviews. plus, AI is what the search ALGORITHM is - again complained.

you may not like or approve of the AI that SS uses, but that doesn't prove your claim



I see that you are distributing slaps to all the sides. You don't have to be very smart to know that everyone plays the guitar, but in the end, there are only four guitar masters.

Stay with me Nick, Tenebroso. And memorize it.

I will not waste time, I am a busy person. I don't need conversation to spend my time. I do not intend to make friends in a gray forum, boring and with many people with free time. Little participation and a lot of reading for visitors. I am here on a professional level, not to make friends, I have beers with whoever I want.

My name is Tenebroso, therefore the only thing you can learn today is by listening to me. Today you are going to learn something new, SS does not have AI. It has no means, no need for AI.

My Nick before microstock, Nick of world legend, to you, you are not interested, and now as Tenebroso Nick, for you, I tell you, SS does not have AI, by many people who without knowledge, assure this to.

Hug, take care

« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2020, 18:33 »
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Like this forum, it is not updated, therefore, it is vulnerable to attacks that can exploit known bugs, and uses the standard version of the forum model, I tell you, some computer scientists who demand a file size in vector format in SS, indicates that they are low profile.
The SS IT department is low profile, in my opinion as a Novice Expert.

However, similar image recognition software has nothing to do with AI.


Collaborating professionals who cry about search bias have nothing to do with AI.

As for the concept of Intelligence, in SS nothing, neither virtual nor real. Intelligence, zero.

« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2020, 18:43 »
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As for the examiners, they were ordered not to exceed 1,200,000 images weekly.
First, Similar Images. When no longer holding, Image Defocused, Image Failed to Load.
The examiners simply complied with the guidelines for a daily maximum of approved files.


AI is IMPOSSIBLE to examine 3D text with perspective, there is no OCR recognition of that quality today.


therefore, in images, AI will be the last where AI arrives. Yes, there can be learning to remove noise from an image. Little more.

« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2020, 18:55 »
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If the SS had diplomatic problems with the Russian flag, or SS censors certain searches for IP China, imagine examining AI, instead of an insult to the Italian flag, in images, AI can see some olives. Imagine altars against social movements, that a machine understands hate.
And where there is an elbow, see explicit sex.

It is literally impossible, AI to examine images, and humanity would like to get to that AI. It is likely that with very basic quantum computing you can start to couple AI to emotions, art is the last link in AI.

At least 2 decades, at the earliest, to think about starting machines to love Picasso's Guernica and not see a swarm of birds instead of the painting.

Think what you want, SS does not have AI.


« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2020, 19:17 »
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Please continue with the thread topic.




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PS: on a side note, I encourage everyone reading this to dump SS,  don't JUST put your catalogue on hold. Make a statement, remove your content !!!! leaving it on shows them you're rolling on your back for a tummy rub. Submissive.

I agree.




I have been monitoring content totals and looking at new uploads at Shutterstock, and on Saturday noticed that the totals were the same late in the day as on Saturday morning. No updates Sunday or Monday morning.

There was a post Monday in the Shutterstock forums:

"Approved content is taking longer than usual to be published. We expect everything to be back to normal by end of business (New York time) tomorrow."

https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/100692-accepted-content-not-being-added-to-port/?do=findComment&comment=1858455

From Saturday morning through Tuesday afternoon is a very, very long outage and it makes me wonder if they're making changes (rather than fixing bugs).

They disabled my account so I couldn't do anything even if I was inclined to, but possibly now might be a good time to grab anything you've a mind to in case it's no longer there after the changes.

Or this is just a very long bug fix and I'm concerned over nothing :)

« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2020, 02:35 »
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@Darkhawk

Im full time since 2012 and i know very well my business, but thanks for the advices

« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2020, 04:18 »
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Darkhawk is not far off. I am full time stock photographer since 2008 and two years ago started to invest more and more in video. The cost to supply content depends on many factors but basically what type of content and how demanding you are with your work.

As a photographer I would say that equipment and models are the biggest cost. As an average every model shot costs me about 1000$ , with a few going above 2000$. International travel around 3000$ each. Photography equipment I would say around 6k year.  Computer & software 1-2 k/year.

As a videographer equipment cost are at least double ( cameras and accessories ) Computer and software at least 3x times.

I know there are people that shoot video & photo content with their phones or very cheap cameras. There are vector artist and motion graphics specialists that only need time and a computer.

Everyone has to figure it out. Shutterstock might be great (even after the cut) for some. In my case my time and money return is not worth to stay with them. I prefer other sites where I get better returns and will incentive to stay with those and not the ones that exploit artists. It is in my best interest for the medium and long term, so I don't feed a beast that bites my hand.

Will Shutterstock survive and maybe grow without me, probably yes. Will I survive and grow without Shutterstock and the likes, probably yes.
They have clients,..... I produce the content. I cannot reach clients directly but if my content is special and unique I can make those clients change provider. And I hope that many pros and amateurs crunch their numbers and take appropriate actions.

Accepting 15%-20% is not right if there are other sites much more contributor friendly and paying much better percentages.
 

@Darkhawk

Im full time since 2012 and i know very well my business, but thanks for the advices

« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2020, 08:50 »
+1
That's the difference between a hobby and a business. You do the second one with an intent to profit.

Got this off twitter but it gives a decent overview of the cost of shooting. As a hobby, sure shoot upload get some fries money. As a business you'll need to check if that time is better spent elsewhere

https://improvephotography.com/49988/photography-pricing-calculating-your-cost-of-doing-business/

Sent from my HD1901 using Tapatalk

Please note that not all microstockers are Photographers.

1200$ annual on computer equipment it's a bit exaggereted. Unless you are into 3d realistic render, dynamics, fluids simulations...
Phone... 6 euros/months for unlimited calls and 40gb internet (here in Italy)
Internet services, 24 euros/month for 200MB fiber (in Italy)
Veichle expenses... zero, i work from home.
Office?...zero, i work from home.
Training...about 600 euros/year for me, plus a lot of free tutorials

I don't know where this list is coming from, but, for me, it seems, a bit unrealistic.
Postage and shipping??? Really???  ;D




Yes, there may be costs on that list which are irrelevant to your particular situation. But when you really examine the cost of business, there's lots of hidden money drains. If you work from home you are probably paying rent or mortgage for the home or room you sleep/work from unless you live with parents. So part of that $ a week you pay for the roof over your head needs to be associated with your expenses ( an accountant will claim this back for you from your taxes paid).

Camera equipment: I'm a videographer, if I don't want to be left behind I need to upgrade my camera every few years. When I first started shooting it was a Sony DSR 570 4:3 (DINOSAUR !), now anything less than 4K video hardly sells, IMO. So there is a need to spend US$10K every 3 or 4 years to upgrade to a quality that buyers are targeting. So spread that over 4 years there is $2500 a year minimum. Same with computer, you might get 5 years out of a computer before it is outdated, dies or struggles with newer rendering demands etc. (even as a motion designer) so the cost of a new hi spec computer spread over 5 years, lets say $700 a year.(and that is without taking into account peripherals, new printer, hard drives etc.)

Vehicle expenses, must come to something, unless you walk or bike everywhere. Train cost, bus, car. If you are living off this microstock as a job then all your movement costs have to be factored in. Going to get groceries, Dr. visits, holidays etc. all drain from your microstock sales. If you are not factoring all these things into your business model then you're probably not paying tax on it, the breaking news for you is: You've got a HOBBY. The Postage and shipping costs do seem strange. Maybe it is an outdated list, back when people posted their stock hard drives to agencies, before FTP servers became a thing.

PS: on a side note, I encourage everyone reading this to dump SS,  don't JUST put your catalogue on hold. Make a statement, remove your content !!!! leaving it on shows them you're rolling on your back for a tummy rub. Submissive. Peace out !
Thank you. The idea was to cherry pick the heads relevant to you and get a rough estimate of your spends. If your earning is less (and its not leading to future profitability either) then essentially its a hobby and you are spending money for your enjoyment

And if you need top quality stuff with 4k, slow mo, drone shots and more then the costs are fair

« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2020, 09:30 »
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I've said in my previous post that not all the microstockers are Photographer (or Videgrapher)
I'm a motion designer and a 3d artist.
As Everest said, we only need time and a computer (well, and software licences too), so i think
that microstock may be more profitable for some categories of contributors, because they have less costs.
Peace!

« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2020, 11:09 »
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Quote
PS: on a side note, I encourage everyone reading this to dump SS,  don't JUST put your catalogue on hold. Make a statement, remove your content !!!! leaving it on shows them you're rolling on your back for a tummy rub. Submissive.

I agree.

I agree

« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2020, 14:57 »
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I've said in my previous post that not all the microstockers are Photographer (or Videgrapher)
I'm a motion designer and a 3d artist.
As Everest said, we only need time and a computer (well, and software licences too), so i think
that microstock may be more profitable for some categories of contributors, because they have less costs.
Peace!

At 10 cents an image, or 4 cents in the case of istock, I dont see how even shooting just images can be profitable for anyone living in the US.

« Reply #34 on: July 19, 2020, 15:13 »
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I've said in my previous post that not all the microstockers are Photographer (or Videgrapher)
I'm a motion designer and a 3d artist.
As Everest said, we only need time and a computer (well, and software licences too), so i think
that microstock may be more profitable for some categories of contributors, because they have less costs.
Peace!

At 10 cents an image, or 4 cents in the case of istock, I dont see how even shooting just images can be profitable for anyone living in the US.

I live in north Italy, so i don't know the situation in the US, but if you think that for you isn't profitable, just do
something else, you have the choice, as for everyone here.
Peace!

« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2020, 15:26 »
+1
I've said in my previous post that not all the microstockers are Photographer (or Videgrapher)
I'm a motion designer and a 3d artist.
As Everest said, we only need time and a computer (well, and software licences too), so i think
that microstock may be more profitable for some categories of contributors, because they have less costs.
Peace!

At 10 cents an image, or 4 cents in the case of istock, I dont see how even shooting just images can be profitable for anyone living in the US.

I live in north Italy, so i don't know the situation in the US, but if you think that for you isn't profitable, just do
something else, you have the choice, as for everyone here.
Peace!

Yep. I only have images left at Adobe. And yes, I do something else. 👍☮️

« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2020, 15:28 »
+1
I've said in my previous post that not all the microstockers are Photographer (or Videgrapher)
I'm a motion designer and a 3d artist.
As Everest said, we only need time and a computer (well, and software licences too), so i think
that microstock may be more profitable for some categories of contributors, because they have less costs.
Peace!

At 10 cents an image, or 4 cents in the case of istock, I dont see how even shooting just images can be profitable for anyone living in the US.

I live in north Italy, so i don't know the situation in the US, but if you think that for you isn't profitable, just do
something else, you have the choice, as for everyone here.
Peace!

Yep. I only have images left at Adobe. And yes, I do something else. 👍☮️

I hope the best for you!  :)
Take care and stay safe!


« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2020, 15:35 »
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isn't profitable, just do
something else

if you dont like the wage just **** off
unfortunately this is the mindset of all corporations ...
if theres no legally minimum or etc you will end at zero,
so yes, you can do something else for zero ...

« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2020, 16:17 »
+1
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isn't profitable, just do
something else

if you dont like the wage just **** off
unfortunately this is the mindset of all corporations ...
if theres no legally minimum or etc you will end at zero,
so yes, you can do something else for zero ...

For me microstock is a business (but honestly i love what i do) , i put food on the table for me and my family...
if i'll find that it's not profitable for me i'll find other ways to earn money and assure to my family a decent life.
I always try to have a postive attitude, and this helped me for many years.
I can assure you that i've never done anything for zero and i'll never do.
Peace!

« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2020, 17:53 »
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I've said in my previous post that not all the microstockers are Photographer (or Videgrapher)
I'm a motion designer and a 3d artist.
As Everest said, we only need time and a computer (well, and software licences too), so i think
that microstock may be more profitable for some categories of contributors, because they have less costs.
Peace!

At 10 cents an image, or 4 cents in the case of istock, I dont see how even shooting just images can be profitable for anyone living in the US.


Grayscale topics are being discussed. Where behind a phrase we can be dialogue and creating two new encyclopedias, on complex and nuanced topics or debating for seven lives.

Artist theme, Professional theme, business theme, All Sum Money at the End of the Month theme, Third World Economy theme, theme, spam, niches or sectors theme within the microstock,......, Quality theme, Expenses and investment theme, .....

Many nuances and gray range behind each comment.

I totally disagree with continuing with the theory that in the USA, 0.10 is not profitable.

It is not a question of whether in a country you can buy a menu for 0.10, it is not a question of moving to a country with a lower per capita income through microstock, it is not a question of any sum at the end of the month.

We were in SS because it was the one that sold the most. Not for her exquisite friendliness or demeanor.


0.10 is unworthy. It is not about insulting with unworthy people those who upload material to SS. It is not a question of whether the material being uploaded is spam or of low quality. It is that SS does not exist.

You will not survive trying as in times of landowners and cotton.


When they want to react, if they react to try to recruit new collaborators, they will have already missed the train.


The collaborator will not collaborate in the face of unworthy behavior. Better to spend hours behind a delivery truck, or try to sell painted stones at a market on Thursdays. Bracelets or a porn video at home.

SS despotically treats contributors, therefore, is receiving the same loving treatment.


They have nothing to contribute in their official forum, because they have nothing to say, they have shown us the exit door. And those who stay today will leave tomorrow.


it's a matter of being able to sleep at night. Some people think that it all adds up, but they will realize that in this case, only subtracts, subtracts dignity, subtracts peace, subtracts time for the SS personnel to add gasoline to the vehicle every weekend and to enjoy with their family the life, at the cost of the poorly paid work of the taxpayers, meanwhile, the taxpayers do not earn with their work or to leave. Worthless.

It is not a matter that everything adds up, nor is it a matter that in the USA 0.10 does not work, 0.10 is an insult, and as an insult it must be called, 0.10 is an insult.

SS does not exist, they decided to exit the market. It would be very different if they charged the client 0.20, or gave the university students free during COVID the files, it is not the case, the situation is very simple, they are the kings, Divine Gods of the Universe Galaxy and we, for the agency we are simple garbage rats, we are sewers.

In this situation, SS is dead. Does not exist.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 18:02 by Tenebroso »

« Reply #40 on: July 19, 2020, 18:45 »
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Yes, there may be costs on that list which are irrelevant to your particular situation. But when you really examine the cost of business, there's lots of hidden money drains. If you work from home you are probably paying rent or mortgage for the home or room you sleep/work from unless you live with parents. So part of that $ a week you pay for the roof over your head needs to be associated with your expenses ( an accountant will claim this back for you from your taxes paid).

not irrelevant, an order of magnitude too high
 

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Camera equipment: I'm a videographer, if I don't want to be left behind ofI need to upgrade my camera every few years. When I first started shooting it was a Sony DSR 570 4:3 (DINOSAUR !), now anything less than 4K video hardly sells, IMO. So there is a need to spend US$10K every 3 or 4 years to upgrade to a quality that buyers are targeting. So spread that over 4 years there is $2500 a year minimum.
perfectly acceptable cameras are available for < $1000 - maybe video is different

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same with computer, you might get 5 years out of a computer before it is outdated, dies or struggles with newer rendering demands etc. (even as a motion designer) so the cost of a new hi spec computer spread over 5 years, lets say $700 a year.(and that is without taking into account peripherals, new printer, hard drives etc.)
computer COME With hard dtrives and exHD are < $100 for terabytes and last for years.  desktops are < $1000. printers are < $100 and dont need to be
upgraded.

are you doing video or graphics intensive illustration? you're constructing a worst case scenario & still over-estimating

Vehicle expenses, must come to something, unless you walk or bike everywhere. Train cost, bus, car. If you are living off this microstock as a job then all your movement costs have to be factored in.

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Going to get groceries, Dr. visits, holidays etc. all drain from your microstock sales. If you are not factoring all these things into your business model then you're probably not paying tax on it, the breaking news for you is: You've got a HOBBY.
no, that's the cost of LIVING - if you're trying to claim those as business expenses, you're commiting tax fraud

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The Postage and shipping costs do seem strange. Maybe it is an outdated list, back when people posted their stock hard drives to agencies, before FTP servers became a thing.
if that were the case - 20 years ago? then all the other costs should be significantly less



« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2020, 18:53 »
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.... The idea was to cherry pick the heads relevant to you and get a rough estimate of your spends. If your earning is less (and its not leading to future profitability either) then essentially its a hobby and you are spending money for your enjoyment

And if you need top quality stuff with 4k, slow mo, drone shots and more then the costs are fair

that's not the way you presented it and nothing in the table supports that interpretation.the problem w sloppy surveys like this is they live forever on the web and people quote them as if they had authority

sorta like trump telling people to drink bleach and then later saying he was joking

« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2020, 19:01 »
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If the SS had diplomatic problems with the Russian flag, or SS censors certain searches for IP China, imagine examining AI, instead of an insult to the Italian flag, in images, AI can see some olives. Imagine altars against social movements, that a machine understands hate.
And where there is an elbow, see explicit sex.

It is literally impossible, AI to examine images, and humanity would like to get to that AI. It is likely that with very basic quantum computing you can start to couple AI to emotions, art is the last link in AI.

At least 2 decades, at the earliest, to think about starting machines to love Picasso's Guernica and not see a swarm of birds instead of the painting.

Think what you want, SS does not have AI.

applauding to save tinkerbell only works on stage - no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.

 AI is used in many places, microstock among them and does not have to a simulcra of a human - AI can check for some technical errors. and responsible for calculating and displaying the results of a search. 

and it certainly IS possible for AI to examine and improve images - do you think Topaz has elves working for them to produce results in their excellent apps?

« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2020, 19:06 »
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I will not waste time, I am a busy person. I don't need conversation to spend my time. I do not intend to make friends in a gray forum, boring and with many people with free time. Little participation and a lot of reading for visitors. I am here on a professional level, not to make friends, I have beers with whoever I want.

cute - you  spray rambling text then take your toys home when someone dares to challenge you!

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My name is Tenebroso, therefore the only thing you can learn today is by listening to me.
....
ROFL - does your ego have no bounds?

Please stay and enlighten ignorant plebs like us
« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 19:17 by cascoly »

« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2020, 19:12 »
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I was missing you. I'm glad you dedicate a special post for me. Thank you.

I am meditating on the victory of La Liga de futbol de Real Madrid, the rarest sports season in history.
Also, I think about having a banana or coffee, I just finished eating. I have Puerto Rico hours, I think.
« Last Edit: July 19, 2020, 19:15 by Tenebroso »

« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2020, 19:35 »
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Peace!

peace back,
just quoted, wasnt meant against you.
my point is, in general, if there are no legal minimums in a country or global,
for whatever work,
it will get very hard to find other ways to earn money
and assure a family a decent life.
nonetheless its always best to have a postive attitude for sure.



« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2020, 01:38 »
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.... The idea was to cherry pick the heads relevant to you and get a rough estimate of your spends. If your earning is less (and its not leading to future profitability either) then essentially its a hobby and you are spending money for your enjoyment

And if you need top quality stuff with 4k, slow mo, drone shots and more then the costs are fair

that's not the way you presented it and nothing in the table supports that interpretation.the problem w sloppy surveys like this is they live forever on the web and people quote them as if they had authority

sorta like trump telling people to drink bleach and then later saying he was joking
Delightful aren't you? . Did you read the article link placed with the table?


« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2020, 14:46 »
0
...

I am meditating on the victory of La Liga de futbol de Real Madrid, the rarest sports season in history....

i was in madrid for the Real-Barcelona game last spring - quite a game  especially watching in a bar with fans

« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2020, 14:48 »
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.... The idea was to cherry pick the heads relevant to you and get a rough estimate of your spends. If your earning is less (and its not leading to future profitability either) then essentially its a hobby and you are spending money for your enjoyment

And if you need top quality stuff with 4k, slow mo, drone shots and more then the costs are fair

that's not the way you presented it and nothing in the table supports that interpretation.the problem w sloppy surveys like this is they live forever on the web and people quote them as if they had authority

sorta like trump telling people to drink bleach and then later saying he was joking
Delightful aren't you? . Did you read the article link placed with the table?

why should i spend my time following up such a distorted table? if there something explanatory OP should have mentioned it


 

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