Post by: Thomas from France on November 07, 2018, 14:05
Did i miss something?
Post by: Pauws99 on November 07, 2018, 17:10
Post by: thor_odt on November 08, 2018, 03:28
but I think its just a Halloween holiday effect
yesterday 7th November, it was a normal earing day
Post by: derek on November 08, 2018, 03:50
I'm experiencing a very poor start to the month too..the few sales I've had have been of my better sellers... up till recently I was getting a lot of sales of my somewhat dubious older images that had never sold...I suspect a big change in the algorithm which may be working out badly for some of us.
You want to remove your portfolio! dont you! ;D ;D
Post by: Pauws99 on November 08, 2018, 04:08
You seem to have some kind of cognitive dissonance issue here the only one suggesting pulling ports is you. I guess its not surprising when you make so many contradictory posts.I'm experiencing a very poor start to the month too..the few sales I've had have been of my better sellers... up till recently I was getting a lot of sales of my somewhat dubious older images that had never sold...I suspect a big change in the algorithm which may be working out badly for some of us.
You want to remove your portfolio! dont you! ;D ;D
Post by: dpimborough on November 08, 2018, 04:32
They really can't help themselves :(
Post by: thor_odt on November 08, 2018, 05:42
Thomas its obvious SS have stirred the pot again. Looking at my most relevant/popular/what ever it now shows piles of junk from way back when which never had any sales and all the really popular stuff has been thrown to page 4 & 5
They really can't help themselves :(
this is the explanation, this is their total income in the history:
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SSTK/shutterstock/gross-profit (https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SSTK/shutterstock/gross-profit)
this is their net income:
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SSTK/shutterstock/net-income (https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SSTK/shutterstock/net-income)
in 2018 probably they have reduced in some way the revenue share to gain more money, after years of flat internal earning
this is my theory :)
Post by: Phadrea on November 08, 2018, 09:15
Thank you so much for nothing. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Post by: nobody on November 08, 2018, 09:23
Post by: Phadrea on November 08, 2018, 09:25
my photos must really suck because I am getting sales today :)
Good for you.
Post by: qunamax on November 08, 2018, 09:40
Post by: derek on November 08, 2018, 10:33
You seem to have some kind of cognitive dissonance issue here the only one suggesting pulling ports is you. I guess its not surprising when you make so many contradictory posts.I'm experiencing a very poor start to the month too..the few sales I've had have been of my better sellers... up till recently I was getting a lot of sales of my somewhat dubious older images that had never sold...I suspect a big change in the algorithm which may be working out badly for some of us.
You want to remove your portfolio! dont you! ;D ;D
well mate what goes around comes around! thats karma!
Post by: jonbull on November 08, 2018, 10:53
Post by: Thomas from France on November 08, 2018, 13:44
Lucky today with a 50 $ sod, haven’t see those for months...
Maybe i should write more often
.Post by: angelawaye on November 08, 2018, 13:49
Post by: Brasilnut on November 08, 2018, 13:54
Post by: derek on November 08, 2018, 14:09
Post by: JAFO on November 08, 2018, 14:10
Bye bye SS sales. Thanks for trashing my income by letting in all the junk from people who can just about operate a shutter, let alone compose an image. Thanks for making a mockery of all the people who have worked hard at composing, editing and earning the right to be accepted for years into the catalogue. Thank you for making an utter pig's ear of the whole site, your poor security allowing easy theft of images.
Thank you so much for nothing. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Yours should be selling like hotcakes.
Post by: kelomang on November 09, 2018, 09:05
Post by: derek on November 09, 2018, 09:36
The heydays of Jon are long gone, the once so helpful and knowledgable Admin is replaced by suits and city-twatts knowing absolutely nothing about the creative world and even less about photography!but they are under the severe preassure of constantlly having to produce results for their shareholders no matter what.
I know so many people with ports of 20,30,40000 files in their portfolios and EVERY single one of them is down a staggering 70% and have been for over a year now!
The once so hailed and praised do good agency is today nothing more then a flea market ( people here thats been with them for 8 years or more know exactly what Im talking about)
Post by: BigBubba on November 09, 2018, 09:41
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Post by: kelomang on November 09, 2018, 09:48
The heydays of Jon are long gone, the once so helpful and knowledgable Admin is replaced by suits and city-twatts knowing absolutely nothing about the creative world and even less about photography!but they are under the severe preassure of constantlly having to produce results for their shareholders no matter what.
I feel, they don't experience the loss that contributors are going through. Or they don't care. Or both.
The app keeps crashing, anyone else seeing this?
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Yup, I even deleted and redownloaded the contributor app. Still can't be opened.
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on November 09, 2018, 10:14
The app keeps crashing, anyone else seeing this?
Yes. Was working fine yesterday. Last App update was Nov 2nd so I assume they've busted something on the server end versus a bug in the app itself.
Post by: Not Today on November 09, 2018, 10:30
^^ Yes! but alive for tens of thousands of noobs and weekend snappers....There is absolutely no doubt that SS is finished as far as serious photography and earning money.
The heydays of Jon are long gone, the once so helpful and knowledgable Admin is replaced by suits and city-twatts knowing absolutely nothing about the creative world and even less about photography!but they are under the severe preassure of constantlly having to produce results for their shareholders no matter what.
I know so many people with ports of 20,30,40000 files in their portfolios and EVERY single one of them is down a staggering 70% and have been for over a year now!
The once so hailed and praised do good agency is today nothing more then a flea market ( people here thats been with them for 8 years or more know exactly what Im talking about)
Yeah and these weekend snappers will never reach payout as they'll get buried after a few sales... meaning that SS will get to keep the money 8)
Post by: thor_odt on November 09, 2018, 19:20
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SSTK/shutterstock/net-income (https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SSTK/shutterstock/net-income)
from December 2017 they are increasing a lot the net income, after 2017 in loss (YoY in red)
just hope they will balance better our revenue in 2019 to return at the 2016 level.
I've doubled my portfolio in one and half years and I earn the same monthly money :(
I suggest you all in invest in SS shares :)
Post by: Zero Talent on November 09, 2018, 22:51
Waoh 0 sales so far on a week day,
Did i miss something?
Yes, sales were normal today.
Post by: Pauws99 on November 10, 2018, 01:40
as you can see here:SS shares are doing quite badly at present ;-). They are not growing fast enough to meet investor expectations. However they are also not experiencing some massive crash in income/performance that some have been "seeing" for about the last five years or so.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SSTK/shutterstock/net-income (https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SSTK/shutterstock/net-income)
from December 2017 they are increasing a lot the net income, after 2017 in loss (YoY in red)
just hope they will balance better our revenue in 2019 to return at the 2016 level.
I've doubled my portfolio in one and half years and I earn the same monthly money :(
I suggest you all in invest in SS shares :)
Post by: derek on November 10, 2018, 02:29
^^ Yes! but alive for tens of thousands of noobs and weekend snappers....There is absolutely no doubt that SS is finished as far as serious photography and earning money.
The heydays of Jon are long gone, the once so helpful and knowledgable Admin is replaced by suits and city-twatts knowing absolutely nothing about the creative world and even less about photography!but they are under the severe preassure of constantlly having to produce results for their shareholders no matter what.
I know so many people with ports of 20,30,40000 files in their portfolios and EVERY single one of them is down a staggering 70% and have been for over a year now!
The once so hailed and praised do good agency is today nothing more then a flea market ( people here thats been with them for 8 years or more know exactly what Im talking about)
Yeah and these weekend snappers will never reach payout as they'll get buried after a few sales... meaning that SS will get to keep the money 8)
Exactly!! wonder how many millions they get from that alone, showing a good turnover!....all parts of the agenda of course!
Post by: Mantis on November 10, 2018, 09:22
Post by: CrFx on November 10, 2018, 12:01
Post by: derek on November 11, 2018, 02:45
All days are crappy crappy crappy. Weekends, weekdays all the same. They should rename it junkstock now. Utter garbage.
Delete some images! wait a week and then re-upload them! you're going to see some sales I bet!
Post by: Chichikov on November 11, 2018, 05:45
All days are crappy crappy crappy. Weekends, weekdays all the same. They should rename it junkstock now. Utter garbage.
Delete some images! wait a week and then re-upload them! you're going to see some sales I bet!
Isn't that the best way to have his account closed fast?
Post by: Jens G on November 11, 2018, 07:16
July and August were better than average, which is unusual for the summermonths. Then came September that was the worst since August 2016, followed by October that was BME by a large margin. November is very calm, and it could end up like my September.
Sometimes I wonder if there is a backlog in sales reporting, so that sales that were not reported during one month or several months, sudenly gets reported in a following month.
Post by: Uncle Pete on November 11, 2018, 08:57
The app keeps crashing, anyone else seeing this?
Yes. Was working fine yesterday. Last App update was Nov 2nd so I assume they've busted something on the server end versus a bug in the app itself.
Seems to be working iPhone, shows my latest approved this morning. Maybe I was lucky and didn't get the update? ;)
Post by: nobody on November 11, 2018, 12:24
Post by: derek on November 11, 2018, 12:53
Funny but just over a year back one would undoubtly have recommended SS!...not now though, chanses are the guy comes back at YOU!
Post by: thor_odt on November 11, 2018, 19:19
The past few months my SS income has been very fluctuating.
July and August were better than average, which is unusual for the summermonths. Then came September that was the worst since August 2016, followed by October that was BME by a large margin. November is very calm, and it could end up like my September.
Sometimes I wonder if there is a backlog in sales reporting, so that sales that were not reported during one month or several months, sudenly gets reported in a following month.
the same trend for me: July and August good and September 2018 less than usual, but September 2018 has only 30 days with 5 full weekends, so 10 days of low sales by default!
And September was a holiday month for many customers in the world.
For me SS is very linear since years for pictures and very variable for videos.
Post by: thor_odt on November 11, 2018, 19:28
A friend and very established lifestyle and fashion photographer asked me yesterday if it was worth joining SS with some 3000 files! I said forget it! go to Adobe/Ft, he will!
Funny but just over a year back one would undoubtly have recommended SS!...not now though, chanses are the guy comes back at YOU!
I would never suggest to a friend of mine to join microstock market if he has any other way to gain money with photography.
In the time he will take keywording 3000 files he can make a lot of photographic services in the real world and earn much more money.
3000 pictures will stop to sell in a few months, stock photography has not a big lifespan as some years ago.
(and Fotolia rejects 50% of files usually, so count 1500)
Post by: derek on November 12, 2018, 07:26
A friend and very established lifestyle and fashion photographer asked me yesterday if it was worth joining SS with some 3000 files! I said forget it! go to Adobe/Ft, he will!
Funny but just over a year back one would undoubtly have recommended SS!...not now though, chanses are the guy comes back at YOU!
I would never suggest to a friend of mine to join microstock market if he has any other way to gain money with photography.
In the time he will take keywording 3000 files he can make a lot of photographic services in the real world and earn much more money.
3000 pictures will stop to sell in a few months, stock photography has not a big lifespan as some years ago.
(and Fotolia rejects 50% of files usually, so count 1500)
Well he does shoot commissions and lots of it! but these are pics just sort of sitting there on the HD, typical lifestyle with good looking models, hes really a fashin photographer!
cheers!
Post by: JAFO on November 14, 2018, 16:52
Bye bye SS sales. Thanks for trashing my income by letting in all the junk from people who can just about operate a shutter, let alone compose an image. Thanks for making a mockery of all the people who have worked hard at composing, editing and earning the right to be accepted for years into the catalogue. Thank you for making an utter pig's ear of the whole site, your poor security allowing easy theft of images.
Thank you so much for nothing. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I think my income limit cap just kicked in, I can't see my photos anyplace in the search, when I do I'm past page 20, no sales. Adobe will pass SS in 2019.
Post by: derek on November 15, 2018, 04:25
It's so depressingly predictable. Capped capped capped every day around $0.72 - $1.08 despite beefing up keywords, adding more images. Talk about a totalitarian agency.
Yes agree ( Im also an "old-timer")..but why do you keep adding pictures when nothing sell!...surely you can not believe that crap they say " keep uploading, keep uploading " is going to lead to anything or increase sales???....thats just the slogan they use to keep people on their toes, adding more assets! thats all! fooling new comers etc, etc. :)
Post by: Tommy on November 15, 2018, 10:01
Ah well, Christmas cancelled then.
Post by: nobody on November 15, 2018, 10:03
After a good October, the first half of November has been a disaster for me.
Ah well, Christmas cancelled then.
ditto! Mac & Cheese for a lot of my dinners this month :-[
Post by: Tommy on November 15, 2018, 10:05
ditto! Mac & Cheese for a lot of my dinners this month :-[
You think that's bad?
I'm planning to heat the house with my LED video lights this winter.
Post by: Pauws99 on November 15, 2018, 10:57
After a good October, the first half of November has been a disaster for me.My sales have fallen off the proverbial cliff so far this month. Luckily adobe and Alamy have done well so can carry on fattening the xmas turkey ;-).
Ah well, Christmas cancelled then.
Post by: ole999 on November 15, 2018, 11:58
Bye bye SS sales. Thanks for trashing my income by letting in all the junk from people who can just about operate a shutter, let alone compose an image. Thanks for making a mockery of all the people who have worked hard at composing, editing and earning the right to be accepted for years into the catalogue. Thank you for making an utter pig's ear of the whole site, your poor security allowing easy theft of images.
Thank you so much for nothing. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Absolutely. It’s redicolous. And they can’t even operate a shutter - they only just about know how to push the right button on a smartphone! There is tons and tons of that shi* coming in like a tide wave at Shutterstock with awkward underexposed images.
Post by: YadaYadaYada on November 15, 2018, 12:08
Another predictably crap, capped, controlled $0.72 day at SS
How much do you expect to make from snapshots of old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors and going for a walk with a camera. You need to take pictures of subjects that buyers will buy. You take nice pictures, but they aren't something that will get many downloads. That's the cap
Do your subjects look anything like these best sellers? https://contributor.stock.adobe.com/en/insights/best/contributors
Post by: Uncle Pete on November 16, 2018, 11:32
It's so depressingly predictable. Capped capped capped every day around $0.72 - $1.08 despite beefing up keywords, adding more images. Talk about a totalitarian agency.
Yes agree ( Im also an "old-timer")..but why do you keep adding pictures when nothing sell!...surely you can not believe that crap they say " keep uploading, keep uploading " is going to lead to anything or increase sales???....thats just the slogan they use to keep people on their toes, adding more assets! thats all! fooling new comers etc, etc. :)
And you say
Do you guys never get tired of this?? :(;D :)
Post by: YadaYadaYada on November 16, 2018, 13:21
Another predictably crap, capped, controlled $0.72 day at SS
How much do you expect to make from snapshots of old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors and going for a walk with a camera. You need to take pictures of subjects that buyers will buy. You take nice pictures, but they aren't something that will get many downloads. That's the cap
Do your subjects look anything like these best sellers? https://contributor.stock.adobe.com/en/insights/best/contributors
Here we go again. Because my images sold MUCH BETTER (around $200 a month of which was ok for the subject matter I took) than they do now. Granted I don’t shoot higly commercial stuff with models (not my thing as I find it more interesting to happen upon images by walking about) but You would be surprised what has actually sold for me. And my images are not limited to "old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors" (which actually have sold well) There is a market for ANY photo taken well enough.
I apologize, I believed what you have wrote here in the past.
Still absolutely dire. Really really awful sales. I am on target to earn the lowest amount in nearly 2 years. I have pretty much written Istock off as they have basically destroyed most of what was good about them.
The only thing that has died are my sales which are now even worse. Why did I listen to all the SS evangelists here ! ???
I have waited a year to give my thoughts on SS and leaving IS exclusivity. I would say for me it hasn't been worth it. I have lost around $100 a month. I make around a dollar a day at SS and many rejections so my full portfolio (including ONES THAT SELL at IS) are not included.
Even with IS having a terrible year it would have been better to stick with them but I suppose you have to take risks. My thoughts on SS are very very disappointing to say the least. This month one of the worst. Others will probably probably disagree.
A dollar a day isn't $200 a month.
SS is now abysmal for sales. Why it is the top rated here I do not know. IS earning me much more now.
Post by: kelomang on November 16, 2018, 21:47
Post by: derek on November 19, 2018, 10:51
Post by: nobody on November 19, 2018, 11:14
And so are weekends.
and weekdays :-[
Post by: jonbull on November 19, 2018, 11:16
Another predictably crap, capped, controlled $0.72 day at SS
How much do you expect to make from snapshots of old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors and going for a walk with a camera. You need to take pictures of subjects that buyers will buy. You take nice pictures, but they aren't something that will get many downloads. That's the cap
Do your subjects look anything like these best sellers? https://contributor.stock.adobe.com/en/insights/best/contributors
Here we go again. Because my images sold MUCH BETTER (around $200 a month of which was ok for the subject matter I took) than they do now. Granted I don’t shoot higly commercial stuff with models (not my thing as I find it more interesting to happen upon images by walking about) but You would be surprised what has actually sold for me. And my images are not limited to "old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors" (which actually have sold well) There is a market for ANY photo taken well enough.
it's clear you are the guy who write also in the doom and gloom thread in ss....that one with a portfolio made of snapshots..who complain not to sell....really what you think you can sell with that portfolio in 2018? maybe 8 years ago or 6, but really what you expect nowadays?...it's miracle if you earn 50 dollar with the stuff...maybe t's not you...ah it's bradbury or something similar....but if it's you please stop talking about ss and review honestly your stuff.
Post by: jonbull on November 19, 2018, 11:19
Another predictably crap, capped, controlled $0.72 day at SS
How much do you expect to make from snapshots of old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors and going for a walk with a camera. You need to take pictures of subjects that buyers will buy. You take nice pictures, but they aren't something that will get many downloads. That's the cap
Do your subjects look anything like these best sellers? https://contributor.stock.adobe.com/en/insights/best/contributors
Here we go again. Because my images sold MUCH BETTER (around $200 a month of which was ok for the subject matter I took) than they do now. Granted I don’t shoot higly commercial stuff with models (not my thing as I find it more interesting to happen upon images by walking about) but You would be surprised what has actually sold for me. And my images are not limited to "old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors" (which actually have sold well) There is a market for ANY photo taken well enough.
as a street photographer also who has won some,many, award in last year, your street images are not even good...they are snapshot, my mom can take with iPhone. really what you expect. you have probably 20 images commercially valid the rest if i were a serious editor in ss i would have trashed without any comment.
Post by: Zero Talent on November 19, 2018, 14:31
I often disagreed with you, but here you have my vote, jonbull. Spot on!Another predictably crap, capped, controlled $0.72 day at SS
How much do you expect to make from snapshots of old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors and going for a walk with a camera. You need to take pictures of subjects that buyers will buy. You take nice pictures, but they aren't something that will get many downloads. That's the cap
Do your subjects look anything like these best sellers? https://contributor.stock.adobe.com/en/insights/best/contributors
Here we go again. Because my images sold MUCH BETTER (around $200 a month of which was ok for the subject matter I took) than they do now. Granted I don’t shoot higly commercial stuff with models (not my thing as I find it more interesting to happen upon images by walking about) but You would be surprised what has actually sold for me. And my images are not limited to "old junk, lemurs, walls, alleys, doors" (which actually have sold well) There is a market for ANY photo taken well enough.
it's clear you are the guy who write also in the doom and gloom thread in ss....that one with a portfolio made of snapshots..who complain not to sell....really what you think you can sell with that portfolio in 2018? maybe 8 years ago or 6, but really what you expect nowadays?...it's miracle if you earn 50 dollar with the stuff...maybe t's not you...ah it's bradbury or something similar....but if it's you please stop talking about ss and review honestly your stuff.
Post by: kelomang on November 22, 2018, 04:23
Edit: Nevermind, it's accessible now.
Post by: Artist on December 15, 2018, 05:58
Post by: kelomang on December 15, 2018, 09:02
Post by: jonbull on December 15, 2018, 11:15
https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/95918-i-used-catlog-manager-but-nothing-sell-by-it/
ss ia s awebstiete where people sell stolen images from anywhere and then go to ss forum and ask why they not sell..and nobody do nothing.
really what a mess of company. i hope they go down like a stone in the next years...the only way to stabilize the market...ss is home of zillions of russian indian and thailand spammers theft and nobody do nothing in ss. they build new enterprise building fro what'
Post by: Zero Talent on December 15, 2018, 11:36
How did Fridays become like Saturdays and Sundays now? Usually they were like any other working week day.
My Friday was like a good Wednesday (over $120). Today, a Saturday, is like a Friday, with 2 ELs and counting.
Just a matter of perspective ;)
Post by: Artist on December 15, 2018, 12:20
How did Fridays become like Saturdays and Sundays now? Usually they were like any other working week day.
My Friday was like a good Wednesday (over $120). Today, a Saturday, is like a Friday, with 2 ELs and counting.
Just a matter of perspective ;)
Lucky you and congratulations. For me it looks buyers have gone for christmas holidays now.
Post by: jonbull on December 15, 2018, 14:10
How did Fridays become like Saturdays and Sundays now? Usually they were like any other working week day.
My Friday was like a good Wednesday (over $120). Today, a Saturday, is like a Friday, with 2 ELs and counting.
Just a matter of perspective ;)
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Post by: jonbull on December 15, 2018, 14:12
How did Fridays become like Saturdays and Sundays now? Usually they were like any other working week day.
My Friday was like a good Wednesday (over $120). Today, a Saturday, is like a Friday, with 2 ELs and counting.
Just a matter of perspective ;)
Post by: max headroom on December 15, 2018, 17:50
Loading new images doesn't make a difference.
So, I stopped uploading to Shutterstock for two months.
Now I just keep uploading to Adobe Stock intensively.