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« Reply #75 on: November 04, 2016, 17:35 »
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And also, check this tool, type contributors name, and you will see high rank of these contributors. This is the answer whether it is profitable to be a spammer....

http://m-rank.net/?search=allxnet#top1/


You say that popular rank means sales. I windered why my new files no sales are ranked 1 - 12 first week, and old files that haven't sold in a month are 2 or 6 on mine now.

You mean you have discovered that popular means sales? You're the first to figure this out.

Popular doesn't mean sales. It means popular and nobody knows what that means. The rank is only using popular which we know spam makes popular. We don't know if it means sales. Or do you?

How does SS determine popular? I'd like to know that secret.


I smell sarcasm :) I do not know... But, in few categories I have images in first or second line in popular, and they sell like crazy. Contributor Allxnet (example) have many spammy images in corresponding category in first or second line and I think (I am convinced!) that they sell very well (see category Halloween). And, I do not know how popular search work, but the fact is that
images in first lines sells very well in popular categories.


Shelma1

« Reply #76 on: November 04, 2016, 18:14 »
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Anyone tweet? I only see 3 or 4 tweets.

« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2016, 19:24 »
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Anyone tweet? I only see 3 or 4 tweets.

I just revived my twitter account which I never ever used.
But how do I tweet? :) Should I go to Oringer page and press "tweet to Jon Oringer"? Or should I just tweet and include @jonoringer into my message?
Besides I'm not seeing any spam related tweets on his page, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? ???

dpimborough

« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2016, 17:40 »
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Anyone tweet? I only see 3 or 4 tweets.

I just revived my twitter account which I never ever used.
But how do I tweet? :) Should I go to Oringer page and press "tweet to Jon Oringer"? Or should I just tweet and include @jonoringer into my message?
Besides I'm not seeing any spam related tweets on his page, maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? ???

@jonoringer and @shutterstock  but you can go to his page and tweet him or just reply to one of his tweets about how great his guitar collection is paid for with money made from our images ;D

« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2016, 19:55 »
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Ummm ... As I understood this, it was about showing how many people are actually concerned about the spamming issue and letting Jon Oringer *know* about the petition. Doesn't it speak for itself? I mean, couldn't it be a little counterproductive to get on the person's nerves we'd like to ask to do something in our favor by massively spamming his Twitter account?
I'm pretty sure he's aware of the petition now and honestly, if I were him, I'd rather get huffy than think about how to help us, if hundreds of people would @mention me and post this over and over again. Just saying.

« Reply #80 on: November 05, 2016, 20:30 »
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 >:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T
« Last Edit: November 05, 2016, 20:34 by kraphix »

« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2016, 04:20 »
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>:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T


all of us who aren't using spamming are fools

Chichikov

« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2016, 06:24 »
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Signed!

Picone

« Reply #83 on: November 06, 2016, 06:38 »
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>:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T


all of us who aren't using spamming are fools
No, we are cowards. These guys risk consciously. Smart and brave.

« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2016, 09:29 »
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>:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T


all of us who aren't using spamming are fools
No, we are cowards. These guys risk consciously. Smart and brave.

Im sorry but what? Cowards? I would die of shame if I had anything like that in my portfolio! I signed the petition with my full name. But - I dont believe Shutterstock wants to deal with it. They had enough time. For some reason it is beneficial to them and maybe the number of buyers who complain about the practice is not as high as we think. But so be it. Even if every contributor puts the effin spam in their decriptions, I wont.

« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2016, 10:28 »
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>:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T


all of us who aren't using spamming are fools
No, we are cowards. These guys risk consciously. Smart and brave.

Fools or cowards? No, some us just have good business ethics and consciences. The day I have to become a liar and a cheater just to sell images, then my images are coming down because I don't want to emulate liars and cheaters or deal with companies who support liars and cheaters.

« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2016, 12:20 »
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>:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T


all of us who aren't using spamming are fools
No, we are cowards. These guys risk consciously. Smart and brave.

Fools or cowards? No, some us just have good business ethics and consciences. The day I have to become a liar and a cheater just to sell images, then my images are coming down because I don't want to emulate liars and cheaters or deal with companies who support liars and cheaters.

yes, you and me will have good business ethics and consciences, others will have good business.

« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2016, 12:36 »
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>:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T


all of us who aren't using spamming are fools
No, we are cowards. These guys risk consciously. Smart and brave.

Fools or cowards? No, some us just have good business ethics and consciences. The day I have to become a liar and a cheater just to sell images, then my images are coming down because I don't want to emulate liars and cheaters or deal with companies who support liars and cheaters.

yes, you and me will have good business ethics and consciences, others will have good business.


I am ok with that. I only have to live with myself.  ;)

« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2016, 12:45 »
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>:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T


all of us who aren't using spamming are fools
No, we are cowards. These guys risk consciously. Smart and brave.

Fools or cowards? No, some us just have good business ethics and consciences. The day I have to become a liar and a cheater just to sell images, then my images are coming down because I don't want to emulate liars and cheaters or deal with companies who support liars and cheaters.

yes, you and me will have good business ethics and consciences, others will have good business.


I am ok with that. I only have to live with myself.  ;)

if only majority of people thinks like that, world would be better place.

I am guessing (because of your signature) that you are not just very young/green... so, very nice.

unfortunately, there is "but" :D

in my experience, nobody cares of your ethics (in business), if you are not getting companies (and yourself ) money, ethics do not pay bills. business competition just love to crush people who are not adaptive because of their morals.


« Reply #89 on: November 06, 2016, 13:25 »
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in my experience, nobody cares of your ethics (in business), if you are not getting companies (and yourself ) money, ethics do not pay bills. business competition just love to crush people who are not adaptive because of their morals.

Sad, but true - that is why a psychopath could be elected president of the US in only a few days.  Those without a conscience have a distinct advantage over the rest of us, at least when it comes to business or getting ahead - they can do anything to promote themselves with no regard to who may be hurt along the way.  I assume they are not happy and that is what drives them - more and more is never enough if you are trying to fill a deep pit of unhappiness.  We need to change the standards of society so that those with no ethics are all punished rather than rewarded but unfortunately I don't see that happening any time soon.  If the psychopath gets elected on Tuesday then reform will become nearly impossible.

Rose Tinted Glasses

« Reply #90 on: November 06, 2016, 14:13 »
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in my experience, nobody cares of your ethics (in business), if you are not getting companies (and yourself ) money, ethics do not pay bills. business competition just love to crush people who are not adaptive because of their morals.

Sad, but true - that is why a psychopath could be elected president of the US in only a few days.  Those without a conscience have a distinct advantage over the rest of us, at least when it comes to business or getting ahead - they can do anything to promote themselves with no regard to who may be hurt along the way.  I assume they are not happy and that is what drives them - more and more is never enough if you are trying to fill a deep pit of unhappiness.  We need to change the standards of society so that those with no ethics are all punished rather than rewarded but unfortunately I don't see that happening any time soon.  If the psychopath gets elected on Tuesday then reform will become nearly impossible.

Trust me when I say this, a psychopath will be elected as president on Tuesday regardless.

« Reply #91 on: November 06, 2016, 14:40 »
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in my experience, nobody cares of your ethics (in business), if you are not getting companies (and yourself ) money, ethics do not pay bills. business competition just love to crush people who are not adaptive because of their morals.


I dont care whether you or anyone else cares about my ethics. I care about my ethics. Business can go ahead and crush me then...I will find other ways to make money and do business with people who arent interested in "crushing" people. I have done well so far, with my morals intact.  :)

Adaptive...so contributors here who are willing to accept 2 cents for an image because its "better than nothing at all"...is that the definition of being adaptive? Morals or no morals...businesses who love "crushing" people are going to find ways to do it to get what they want, no matter what.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2016, 14:46 by cathyslife »


« Reply #92 on: November 06, 2016, 15:18 »
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>:( After climb up to the top. Spammer edited it back to normal. so depressed. T T

Would you mind sharing the name of the tool/service which allows seeing the asset's (photo, illustration, etc.) position, like in the screenshot above? Thank you!

« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2016, 15:38 »
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in my experience, nobody cares of your ethics (in business), if you are not getting companies (and yourself ) money, ethics do not pay bills. business competition just love to crush people who are not adaptive because of their morals.


I dont care whether you or anyone else cares about my ethics. I care about my ethics. Business can go ahead and crush me then...I will find other ways to make money and do business with people who arent interested in "crushing" people. I have done well so far, with my morals intact.  :)

Adaptive...so contributors here who are willing to accept 2 cents for an image because its "better than nothing at all"...is that the definition of being adaptive? Morals or no morals...businesses who love "crushing" people are going to find ways to do it to get what they want, no matter what.

dont get offended, I'm also on your side, trying to do my best without spamming or any kind of using advantage on other people or things. My english is not best you will read here, but we understand each others.

this topic is not about 2 cents per image so when I say adaptive I weren't talking about that. Adaptive photographer with good business sense are no longer on microstock.

your quote: "business can go away and crush me". ok, it will happen, sooner or later.

microstock where whole world can contribute, many stealing other people works, copying ideas and concepts from most popular, spamming for better search results etc is not world for people wearing rose tinted glasses. (it isn't your name here but you know what I mean)

Picone

« Reply #94 on: November 06, 2016, 15:47 »
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I'm not into SEO, SEM, IT, or whatever this problem is about. I have no idea why writing a single word ten times instead of once affects search position.
When I started doing stock years ago I was told to write keywords in Keywords field. I asked why and I was told That's how search engine works, it looks for keywords in that field.
If somebody told me to write a caption ten times instead of once, because that's how a search engine works, well, I would write it ten times.
It is not about ethics at all. To argue ethics of this is a waste of time.
Some people obviously know how search engines work these days and they adapted.

Shutterstock has to make it clear to us - is it legal or not.

« Reply #95 on: November 06, 2016, 16:32 »
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Well, in an email SS said it wasnt acceptable, and we all know it is gaming the search engine...in other words cheating (or as some keep defending it, calling it "adapting"). People who cheat = no ethics. And if SS continues to do nothing about it after they said it wasnt acceptable, they are sanctioning cheaters = no ethics.


I guess it all depends on how your parents raised you as to whether you see it as adapting or cheating.  :)

« Reply #96 on: November 06, 2016, 17:32 »
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Ethics is the perfect word in here! I care about it too and that is why I will never be rich ;D

I would hate my customers to ever see me spamming my port this way..

« Reply #97 on: November 06, 2016, 18:08 »
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I totally agree with Picone, this has nothing to do with ethics and so much sanctimonious claptrap has been spouted here.  I have never repeated keywords in my captioning, not because Im saintly but because I couldnt believe any organisation would be so technically backward as to deploy search technology that could not cope with filtering keywords.

In terms of internet technology this is nothing new.  It used to be possible to promote the position of web pages in search engines either by repeating keywords in body text, metatags or having, say, a white bar at the foot of a web page with white text repeating phrases.  What I couldnt remember was when search engine algorithms started getting wise to this and penalising it and still cant date it precisely but a 1996 article warned about Infoseek and Lycos (remember them?) penalising this type of spamming and AltaVista  (RIP) disallowing URL submissions of pages with spam.  This was the year Google began as a Stanford research project.

Search engines blocked spamming metadata and the use of invisible text not because it was immoral but because their customers did not get the quality of result they needed.  Twenty years later Shutterstock will do well to learn that lesson or its customers will search elsewhere also.  I look at the antiquated software of SS (search, map breaking, uploads failing, outages) and wonder firstly how it can describe itself as a technology company and secondly  how conspiracy theorists on this forum can believe it is capable of implementing algorithms worthy of the Matrix to penalise or promote the position of their images for given periods of time.           

« Reply #98 on: November 06, 2016, 20:01 »
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Sanctimonious claptrap...LOL!  ;)
« Last Edit: November 07, 2016, 00:28 by cathyslife »

« Reply #99 on: November 07, 2016, 00:26 »
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Well, in an email SS said it wasnt acceptable, and we all know it is gaming the search engine...in other words cheating (or as some keep defending it, calling it "adapting"). People who cheat = no ethics. And if SS continues to do nothing about it after they said it wasnt acceptable, they are sanctioning cheaters = no ethics.

I guess it all depends on how your parents raised you as to whether you see it as adapting or cheating.  :)
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