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« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2011, 14:15 »
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Hi Everybody,
 Sorry just venting out.

About 2 mounts ago all changed.  I have newer been a   "100 % acceptance rated guy"  but did O.K. all the time with  SS  - until know (I mean 2 mount ago)  I did reach 99.99 %  rejection rate !    Big achievement overnight ( I bet no body managed to achieve that) !  I was down so in desperation I wrote to SS  admin and ask why ? 
They were fast and polite  with the answer - to make it short  the inspector agreed with the review - big slap on my face.
I use the same gear (5D II with all "L" series glass), and with the post production C.S. 4) spending  more and more time to make the image better.
I do not know what I'm doing wrong ??
Well just keep trying. Like somebody said in this tread  "There loss" and as well as mine since until 8 weeks ago SS and I did fine since 2007.
I wish i know what I'm doing wrong ?

Tks to listen to me.

Have a Fantastic New Year Everybody.

Imagecom

I perfectly understand you!! I'm almost in your shoes, recently I have been sending bucnhes of 10 pictures with only 1 or 2 accepted every time. Pictures than sell well on other agencies! I don't understand their staff. They reject all for lighting or focus problems, I also spend a lot of time on PS editing and fixing problems, removing noise, removing artifacts... I'm tired and more demotivated as the time goes by... Maybe this is the 1st agency and blahblablah, but I don't like their staff


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« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2011, 09:04 »
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Well, over a month since I last got my initial rejection. I have had an email from SS since then but how on earth can I read it when it's IN GERMAN !!! Unbelievable.

« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2011, 11:55 »
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Well, over a month since I last got my initial rejection. I have had an email from SS since then but how on earth can I read it when it's IN GERMAN !!! Unbelievable.

I went through the same thing. Persevere with it and you will be rewarded.

« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2011, 12:41 »
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Well, over a month since I last got my initial rejection. I have had an email from SS since then but how on earth can I read it when it's IN GERMAN !!! Unbelievable.

Post it here. We can translate it for you.

rinderart

« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2011, 12:54 »
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We keep telling you guys to post your stuff in the critique section at SS..Before you submit. Some of us were reviewers for years and most of us are working Pros. We can and do help you. Remember guys Getting accepted  is the easy Part, having Images that sell is very difficult. Give us a try. We won't tell you what you wanna hear but, What you need to hear. And, it's usually just one simple adjustment your missing.

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« Reply #55 on: January 31, 2011, 05:50 »
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I am going to have another shot at submitting but before I do, is it worth getting in at SS ? I mean, I am exclusive with IS BUT my sales are dropping like a lead balloon and I can't get images accepted anymore. is SS harder to get images accepted/sell than IS ? If so, then I can't afford to waste the time. I would like to take more editorial shots that don't require model releases. Thats the thing that initially attracted me to SS.

« Reply #56 on: January 31, 2011, 07:59 »
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I am going to have another shot at submitting but before I do, is it worth getting in at SS ? I mean, I am exclusive with IS BUT my sales are dropping like a lead balloon and I can't get images accepted anymore. is SS harder to get images accepted/sell than IS ? If so, then I can't afford to waste the time. I would like to take more editorial shots that don't require model releases. Thats the thing that initially attracted me to SS.

The initial batch of 10 at SS is subject to a lot of scrutiny. It led me to believe that it will be difficult once I was accepted. But once your in I would say that its significantly easier to get an image accepted at SS than at IS. And you will sell far more images on SS than IS, at a much lower royalty obviosuly, but it won't be a waste of time. Your likely to make at least one sale on the images that have never had any sales on IS.

I don't know what the potential is for editorial sales on SS.

FEED THE BEAST!

« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2011, 08:21 »
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Two things occur to me . . .

Rejection reasons can't always be taken literally. If the reviewer mentions focus, composition or some other specific reason, it may be because there are only so many canned answers available. Maybe the reviewer just doesn't like the image.

SS is at over 14 million and climbing. It's likely they will get more and more picky with acceptances.

« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2011, 08:38 »
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I am going to have another shot at submitting but before I do, is it worth getting in at SS ? I mean, I am exclusive with IS BUT my sales are dropping like a lead balloon and I can't get images accepted anymore. is SS harder to get images accepted/sell than IS ? If so, then I can't afford to waste the time. I would like to take more editorial shots that don't require model releases. Thats the thing that initially attracted me to SS.

Take up Rinderart's suggestion and post your photos to SS's critique section before you submit.  They'll do everything they can to help you get in.  It's definitely worth it.  SS has been #1 among MSG folks for three years now, and there's plenty of good reasons why.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 08:40 by Karimala »

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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2011, 12:37 »
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Have I got to post all these images to a host so they can be viewed by people here ? Having said that, surely everyone's opinion will be different to the admin at SS.

Where do I post them ?

« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2011, 13:59 »
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Hi, I was accepted at first attempt on shutterstock and I sell very well there (I love Shutterstock  ::)) but I can tell "ridiculous rejections" and "soul destroyed" about IS. I've tried a lot of time my submission but they don't want my works even if Fotolia, dreamstime and shutterstock accept and sell them very well...What can I do? Nothing. Each microstock agengy has its personal standard and what is good for one often isn't good for another one. the criteria are subjective, I'm sure about this. It' s a personal agengy choise it doesn't mind that your work isn't good...maybe they are looking for something different (different subjects, for exemple).

p.s. I hope you can understand me, I'm not english ;)
« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 14:05 by Ellerslie »

« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2011, 14:01 »
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Have I got to post all these images to a host so they can be viewed by people here ? Having said that, surely everyone's opinion will be different to the admin at SS.

Where do I post them ?

p.s. you can post your works here.

« Reply #62 on: January 31, 2011, 15:29 »
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Have I got to post all these images to a host so they can be viewed by people here ? Having said that, surely everyone's opinion will be different to the admin at SS.

Where do I post them ?

p.s. you can post your works here.

Either here (in the Critique forum) or SS.  The folks who offer critiques at SS are not admins...they are fellow contributors like you and me.  A few of them have also been reviewers at other sites, so they know exactly what the micros require.

You can either upload the images to a hosting site like Photobucket, or attach them to your posts.

« Reply #63 on: January 31, 2011, 21:00 »
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My first batch of 10 was rejected (actually, three were rejected which made the whole initial batch rejected).  I carefully read the instructions and advice on this forum; reworked the images and submitted as my second batch.  10 of 10 were accepted on the second try.

The advice here is solid with years of experience.  It is a total waste of time not to heed the advice and take advantage of the support offered here.  I know some that have submitted 7 or 10 times, that is 7 to 10 months without sales on SS; expensive in lost revenue.

« Reply #64 on: January 31, 2011, 23:12 »
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It is my understanding that SS and IS want the opposite types of editorial material. IS wants (maybe eventually?) stocky images that you don't have a model or property release for - Times Square crowds, recognizable products, that sort of thing. SS wants news related editorial - current events, famous people, and so on.

I haven't tried submitting either of them, but if you aren't going to be exclusive and you aren't anti-subscription then you really want to be on SS.

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« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2011, 03:27 »
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I have tried posting direct from my PC to here but it gives me img italics and no way to browse to my folder.

« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2011, 04:29 »
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I just use alamy for editorial photos.  They don't reject anything I upload.  It takes a long time to get sales going but their prices are higher and they can make a nice amount with just 1 sale.


« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2011, 04:47 »
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I have tried posting direct from my PC to here but it gives me img italics and no way to browse to my folder.


Have your Shutterstock uploads on IS? If it's so you can copy the image adress to upload here (right click on the image: copy address and then here but, of course, someone alse it's able to explain better than me.

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« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2011, 12:25 »
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How about 10 of these ?

















« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2011, 17:35 »
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it's the reviewers that are unpredictable on SS - some dont know that editorial is not a synonym for newswoerthy - i just had a large batch rejected for npot newsworthy - looks like reviewer didnt even bother to look at most.   many of these were similar to other images that other SS reviewers had accepted

« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2011, 18:31 »
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It seems like they have hired new reviewers. I got a feeling that blanket rejections happen from time to time at every agency. One day they accept most of your images then next day 100% rejections. I am sending same stuff to every agency, except IS cause they do not support FTP. In result I cannot tell a single photo that is accepted universally at every agency. What a great way to randomize my portfolio :-) Last year I experienced waves of rejections at 123RF, DT, FT and right now I got problems at SS. Agencies just have too many images.

« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2011, 18:37 »
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It seems like they have hired new reviewers. I got a feeling that blanket rejections happen from time to time at every agency. One day they accept most of your images then next day 100% rejections. I am sending same stuff to every agency, except IS cause they do not support FTP. In result I cannot tell a single photo that is accepted universally at every agency. What a great way to randomize my portfolio :-) Last year I experienced waves of rejections at 123RF, DT, FT and right now I got problems at SS. Agencies just have too many images.

I agree with you, really there isn't a realistic reason for a lot of rejections, only the agency is looking for another kind of subject. I'm an illustrator so I can give you a technical opinion but I like your photoes, especially the first one but maybe it's too abstract for SS. I think that in this moment they are looking for not aboundant categories and your tulips or your wild flowers, for example (even if they're nice photoes), aren't a good choise to attempt the submission, there're too many flowers...
« Last Edit: February 01, 2011, 18:44 by Ellerslie »

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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2011, 10:08 »
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Can anyone else give me any advice on some of these images ? I don't intend to submit more than one flower shot, I am just giving examples here. Do they want the more unusual type of subject ?

« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2011, 14:23 »
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Can anyone else give me any advice on some of these images ? I don't intend to submit more than one flower shot, I am just giving examples here. Do they want the more unusual type of subject ?

I like all 10 of those photos. I'm impressed. Personally the weakest photo is the 2nd down - its the least interesting subject and had the least colour. Maybe if you showed more of the flowers and the record. SS doesn't seem to like a cropped shot of an object.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2011, 14:25 by robggs »

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« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2011, 03:30 »
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I am still not sure what images are right here. Is anyone here an ex SS moderator ? I don't want to have to wait yet another 30 days if they don't pass. I need to get earning :-)


 

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