Author Topic: Shutterstock earnings in July.... (Read 23798 times)

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #50 on:** August 02, 2016, 09:56 »

Quote from: angelawaye on August 01, 2016, 12:34

The only Macro site I know is Alamy. I took my 3 best sellers off micro and listed them on alamy (exclusive) and not one download yet.

I hope you have them RF on Alamy and not RM - once you've sold them on the micros you can't sell them as RM on Alamy or anywhere else, because you have no idea how they are being used. If someone thinks they are getting exclusive use and then they find it all over the place they could sue you.

If they are RF on Alamy then you also can sell them on the micros so there is no need to be exclusive. It is safer to leave your best sellers on the micros and just put new images exclusive on Alamy. However, I think you will be disappointed at sales volume on Alamy.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #51 on:** August 02, 2016, 09:59 »

For me SS had the fewest DLs in July since August of 2011. Clip sales kept revenue from being a disaster.

I've hardly uploaded anything during the past 1.5 years so that might have something to do with it.

ngaga35 · « **Reply #52 on:** August 02, 2016, 10:01 »

Quote from: Lana on August 02, 2016, 09:09

Quote from: Tara on August 02, 2016, 08:18
July 2016 is 22% less then July 2015, and 40% less then July 2014 It very bed!!!

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your best works come with spam in the titles, sorry couldn't resist.. those SS "spammy titles" emails are so fresh in my memory

Those was my research in last ten days to try to increase sales. And those are not my best works.

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mcuda · « **Reply #53 on:** August 02, 2016, 11:20 »

My sales were pretty flat, but I have come to accept this kind of thing from Microstock. As many out there, I just don't see this as sustainable, but for some reason I keep contributing. What other marketing can I do with my images that requires so little effort on my part? Nothing really.

mcuda · « **Reply #54 on:** August 02, 2016, 11:25 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 02, 2016, 09:56

Quote from: angelawaye on August 01, 2016, 12:34
The only Macro site I know is Alamy. I took my 3 best sellers off micro and listed them on alamy (exclusive) and not one download yet.

I hope you have them RF on Alamy and not RM - once you've sold them on the micros you can't sell them as RM on Alamy or anywhere else, because you have no idea how they are being used. If someone thinks they are getting exclusive use and then they find it all over the place they could sue you.

If they are RF on Alamy then you also can sell them on the micros so there is no need to be exclusive. It is safer to leave your best sellers on the micros and just put new images exclusive on Alamy. However, I think you will be disappointed at sales volume on Alamy.

I sell several a year at Alamy, but that is pretty much it. As far as RM, it is up to you to remove the image form the micros if they want exclusive use. Other than that you are fine.

ShadySue · « **Reply #55 on:** August 02, 2016, 11:59 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 02, 2016, 09:56

Quote from: angelawaye on August 01, 2016, 12:34
The only Macro site I know is Alamy. I took my 3 best sellers off micro and listed them on alamy (exclusive) and not one download yet.

I hope you have them RF on Alamy and not RM - once you've sold them on the micros you can't sell them as RM on Alamy or anywhere else, because you have no idea how they are being used. If someone thinks they are getting exclusive use and then they find it all over the place they could sue you.

Not strictly true. You can't have a file RF anywhere and RM on Alamy at the same time, as per the Alamy contract; but an official Alamy rep posted on here that if your file was previously RF, and you remove it from all RF outlets, you can list it RM on Alamy. However, in the very rare occasions that a buyer might want exclusivity, Alamy will contact you and you must inform that it previously sold as RF.

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If they are RF on Alamy then you also can sell them on the micros so there is no need to be exclusive. It is safer to leave your best sellers on the micros and just put new images exclusive on Alamy. However, I think you will be disappointed at sales volume on Alamy.

Sadly, I have to agree with you about sales volume on Alamy.

ShadySue · « **Reply #56 on:** August 02, 2016, 12:19 »

Quote from: mcuda on August 02, 2016, 11:25

As far as RM, it is up to you to remove the image form the micros if they want exclusive use. Other than that you are fine.

According to your agreement with Alamy,
"2.2 You cannot submit identical or similar Images to Alamy as both Royalty Free and Rights Managed. The licence type on Alamy for an Image must be the same as the licence type for that Image and similar Images which you have on other agency websites."
http://www.alamy.com/terms/contributor.asp

cascoly · « **Reply #57 on:** August 02, 2016, 14:09 »

Quote from: marthamarks on August 01, 2016, 09:33

July turned out to be my 2nd best month this year. But that only happened in the last few days, when 3 large SODs came in. Before that, it was a complete bust. Go figure!

and if those sales came a few days later it would have made Aug look better --
this is why comparing this jul to 2015 isn't really meaningful - when a few SOD,EL make the difference between a good and bad month, the only real way to compare current earnings is by looking at 3 or more months at a time

and using the first few days of a month to predict the month's total is only valid if you have a consistent, stable pattern of sales; for most of us, the pattern is more likely to be a sawtooth than a straight line

for me this year is about 1% better than 2015, but 2015 was 18% better than 2014,

but my jul comparisons with 2015 and 2014 show +10% and -15% , since jul 2015 was not a great month and jul 2014 had some particularly good EL sales - so the monthly sales don't track well with yearly averages

comparing 2015 rolling averages for 3 months and 6 months, 2016 shows -7% and +1%
for 2014, the numbers are -1% and +7%

so, while closer, even 3 or 6 mo rolling averages don't predict annual earnings very well - the input data is just too noisy

conclusion -- don't pay a lot of attention to daily or even monthly totals or comparisons, but rather track longer terms trend

and more importantly, YOUR mileage WILL vary

angelawaye · « **Reply #58 on:** August 02, 2016, 16:52 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 02, 2016, 09:56

Quote from: angelawaye on August 01, 2016, 12:34
The only Macro site I know is Alamy. I took my 3 best sellers off micro and listed them on alamy (exclusive) and not one download yet.

I hope you have them RF on Alamy and not RM - once you've sold them on the micros you can't sell them as RM on Alamy or anywhere else, because you have no idea how they are being used. If someone thinks they are getting exclusive use and then they find it all over the place they could sue you.

If they are RF on Alamy then you also can sell them on the micros so there is no need to be exclusive. It is safer to leave your best sellers on the micros and just put new images exclusive on Alamy. However, I think you will be disappointed at sales volume on Alamy.

I wrote them and asked them about this though:
"Hello, My name is Angela and I am a contributor. I want to sell some RM exclusive photos but they were once sold as RF on Shutterstock and Dreamstime. Is it okay to delete them from those sites and then list them as RM? Do I have to wait 30 days or anything?

They replied:

"Hi Angela
That wouldn’t be a problem neither there will be a waiting period, you can just delete them immediately from the other sites and upload at Alamy straight away.
Hope this helps.

Cheers
Jaideep
Member Services

So I'm confused now ... I thought if I removed them it was okay ...

ShadySue · « **Reply #59 on:** August 02, 2016, 16:58 »

Quote from: angelawaye on August 02, 2016, 16:52

I wrote them and asked them about this though:
"Hello, My name is Angela and I am a contributor. I want to sell some RM exclusive photos but they were once sold as RF on Shutterstock and Dreamstime. Is it okay to delete them from those sites and then list them as RM? Do I have to wait 30 days or anything?

They replied:

"Hi Angela
That wouldn’t be a problem neither there will be a waiting period, you can just delete them immediately from the other sites and upload at Alamy straight away.
Hope this helps.

Cheers
Jaideep
Member Services

So I'm confused now ... I thought if I removed them it was okay ...

They have clearly told you that you can upload them to Alamy as soon as they are removed from all RF sites (be careful, that includes partner sites, and word on msg in the past is that some partner sites can take months and a lot of pursuing before files are removed). Nothing confusing.
I'm actually surprised that they can be sold as RM-exclusive, though. I thought the only advantage of RM-exclusive was that if someone wanted exclusive rights, they wouldn't have to contact you to ask about any previous sales, as they have the record of sales. But that's the word you got, so there you go.

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #60 on:** August 02, 2016, 17:54 »

Quote from: Anthony on August 01, 2016, 16:01

My July earnings are mostly flat with a smaller modest portfolio. One question I have genuinely been wondering about. Since so many contributors are seeing such a drastic reduction in sales and earnings why is the MSG SS contributor earnings graph line showing a fairly significant spike in earnings for July.

Could it be more newbies reporting sales since SS has dropped their entrance requirements? Or is it that some contributors are doing much better while some are doing worse due to changing search algorithms? Or some other entirely different reason?

all of the above LOL
+ / or voting under the influence/encouragement of pot

mojaric · « **Reply #61 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:01 »

in terms of DLs amount was not too bad ....but in incomes is -50%...but i've to say that i haven't upload good and interesting pictures for a while now...the ones that i expected to sell are selling normally

Mantis · « **Reply #62 on:** August 04, 2016, 08:42 »

I am more convinced than ever that income is controlled in some way. About half way through July, I was $100 shy of my monthly average. I was thinking I would have a monster BME, but after the 15th, the sales died. I started getting $7 days, $12 days $9 days for the entire rest of the month....and no more $40-$60 days. The month ended right at my average.

marthamarks · « **Reply #63 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:17 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on August 02, 2016, 09:59

I've hardly uploaded anything during the past 1.5 years so that might have something to do with it.

I don't think that matters, because (based on my experience) new stuff doesn't sell. Images uploaded two years ago and earlier still do. New ones apparently die the moment they're uploaded.

gyllens · « **Reply #64 on:** August 04, 2016, 09:22 »

Quote from: Mantis on August 04, 2016, 08:42

I am more convinced than ever that income is controlled in some way. About half way through July, I was $100 shy of my monthly average. I was thinking I would have a monster BME, but after the 15th, the sales died. I started getting $7 days, $12 days $9 days for the entire rest of the month....and no more $40-$60 days. The month ended right at my average.

You don't even know how right you are. For the last eight days my daily take have differed just in cents and as you say after the 15th all credit sales dried and one is left with subscription sales only.
I have close to 22000 files at SS used to make payouts in half a day. I am removing some 3000 files in favour of a specialized agency that wont accept images being at SS.

This is unfortunately what its come to. My big question is where the money is going? or are they simply losing business.

60D · « **Reply #65 on:** August 04, 2016, 10:23 »

Quote from: Tara on August 02, 2016, 10:01

Quote from: Lana on August 02, 2016, 09:09
Quote from: Tara on August 02, 2016, 08:18
July 2016 is 22% less then July 2015, and 40% less then July 2014 It very bed!!!

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

your best works come with spam in the titles, sorry couldn't resist.. those SS "spammy titles" emails are so fresh in my memory
Those was my research in last ten days to try to increase sales. And those are not my best works.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

May be it works. When a word appears multiple times in a title, it may boost the image search ranking under that particular word. That's why SS don't want contributors to spam titles. Aren't you afraid to publicly accept that you spam titles intentionally? SS might be watching. Anyway, best of luck with your research

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #66 on:** August 04, 2016, 15:39 »

gyllens, you are only allowed to remove like 100 per 90 days, so you will be deleting those 3000 images over a span of 7.5 years,

http://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/Submitter-Terms-of-Service-version-8

gyllens · « **Reply #67 on:** August 04, 2016, 16:02 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on August 04, 2016, 15:39

gyllens, you are only allowed to remove like 100 per 90 days, so you will be deleting those 3000 images over a span of 7.5 years,

http://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/Submitter-Terms-of-Service-version-8

Right I didnt think of that. They must have changed it somehow I'm sure at one stage you could deactivate files but no more. Oh well then I have little option but to remove 200 of the best sellers over a span of six months then because at the moment any uploading or waiting for a change of the algorithm is futile.

Thanks for the info.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #68 on:** August 04, 2016, 16:57 »

i have read it again, and i think they actually say you can remove 100 images in any 90 day period, so you can remove 33 images per month, still takes you 7.5 years. maybe write them an email asking if you can speed it up. feels like they're holding you for ransom

Photobomb · « **Reply #69 on:** August 04, 2016, 17:03 »

Quote from: Microstockphoto on August 04, 2016, 16:57

i have read it again, and i think they actually say you can remove 100 images in any 90 day period, so you can remove 33 images per month, still takes you 7.5 years. maybe write them an email asking if you can speed it up. feels like they're holding you for ransom

Actually if you read it, it states:
e. You may remove Content from your account at any time, provided that in any ninety (90) day period, you remove no more than (i) 100 items of Content; and (ii) 10% of your Content, whichever is greater.

ShadySue · « **Reply #70 on:** August 04, 2016, 17:22 »

Quote from: PhotoBomb on August 04, 2016, 17:03

Quote from: Microstockphoto on August 04, 2016, 16:57
i have read it again, and i think they actually say you can remove 100 images in any 90 day period, so you can remove 33 images per month, still takes you 7.5 years. maybe write them an email asking if you can speed it up. feels like they're holding you for ransom

Actually if you read it, it states:
e. You may remove Content from your account at any time, provided that in any ninety (90) day period, you remove no more than (i) 100 items of Content; and (ii) 10% of your Content, whichever is greater.

Odd wording. Usually the conjunction would be 'or' not 'and'. I wonder what they meant? You can't really have 'and' in there and make sense.

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #71 on:** August 04, 2016, 17:34 »

good point, i was struggling with that as well, haha

Photobomb · « **Reply #72 on:** August 04, 2016, 17:35 »

I saw that and found it odd phrasing as well.
But if its 10% then the person with 22000 images would be able to remove 2200 in 90 days followed by another 1900 the next 90 days. A lot less time than the 7.5 years calculated by someone else.

wordplanet · « **Reply #73 on:** August 10, 2016, 22:18 »

Quote from: gyllens on August 04, 2016, 16:02

Quote from: Microstockphoto on August 04, 2016, 15:39
gyllens, you are only allowed to remove like 100 per 90 days, so you will be deleting those 3000 images over a span of 7.5 years,

http://www.shutterstock.com/contributorsupport/articles/kbat02/Submitter-Terms-of-Service-version-8

Right I didnt think of that. They must have changed it somehow I'm sure at one stage you could deactivate files but no more. Oh well then I have little option but to remove 200 of the best sellers over a span of six months then because at the moment any uploading or waiting for a change of the algorithm is futile.

Thanks for the info.

The TOS says you can remove 10% of your content or 100 images in 90 days, whichever is greater, so you should be able to remove 2200 right away, and then wait 90 days to delete the other 800.

EDIT: I posted this before I saw similar posts - agree the "and" in there is confusing, but IMHO you can delete 2200 right away, and then you'd have to wait 90 days to delete the other 800.

AlessandraRC · « **Reply #74 on:** August 11, 2016, 21:03 »

There are a lot of misunderstandings about how Alamy operates and most of them come from contributors who read the faqs, misinterpret them, then go on repeating the misunderstanding.

Best is to write to support, they are always available for help, explain the issue in detail, then print the response e-mail and keep the records in a safe place. If problems arise latter.

AS for selling on Alamy, it takes so long to sell anything there, and most things just don'tt sell, that I am not surprised Alamy is not worried about the overlap.

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