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Rinderart

« on: September 24, 2016, 23:50 »
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You Cannot Upload Older images of people you've done before without Brand New releases done the way the primadonna site wants them Now...The site who is special ya know....Ya right.. Just a heads Up. If you have reworked Older Images forget it. If your shooting Older models again and using old releases ....Forget it.....

Just a heads Up. All Other sites take the releases you have. Not SS. there special Ya know. This is such BS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And pretentious.


« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2016, 02:32 »
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You Cannot Upload Older images of people you've done before without Brand New releases done the way the primadonna site wants them Now...The site who is special ya know....Ya right.. Just a heads Up. If you have reworked Older Images forget it. If your shooting Older models again and using old releases ....Forget it.....

Just a heads Up. All Other sites take the releases you have. Not SS. there special Ya know. This is such BS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And pretentious.
Yep discovered that to my cost no logic to it. Not going to raise it in case they decide my existing images have "incorrect" releases.

« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2016, 05:35 »
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What are the new requirement for releases?

Rinderart

« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2016, 11:14 »
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Sadly Only SS demands this. Get theres and Take there Name off and use it. Only difference I see in the new One is dates need to be put in under everything. anyone want the One I use which works, Happy to share. [email protected],    BTW. theres a box for a reference Image. use that for illustrations.ie paintings/Drawing etc.

they sure have a knack for making everything more difficult.

angelawaye

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2016, 13:10 »
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Sounds like a lot more work for probably zero pay (as new images don't get downloaded)...

Chichikov

« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2016, 13:47 »
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Sounds like a lot more work for probably zero pay (as new images don't get downloaded)...

And if the new images are old images

« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2016, 14:06 »
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ok, i am using that universal model release for last 2-3 years, never had any problem with that. What release is Brand New One?


Rinderart

« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2016, 14:44 »
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I was using the same one since day One. and still do for the other 8 sites Im with. had to use a new One if I wanted to get accepted at SS. It is theirs with a few Modifications. I think the Original One I used in 2003 was a IS release. Just rewrote it. I'll be switching to new one for all sites next week. when I shoot I always have a  backlog to upload in reserve.Like said if ya want a copy just ask.

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2016, 15:56 »
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I've never had to submit a model release form, so I'm no expert, but I would have assumed that SS provide a template that people can use, which contains all the required info?

« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2016, 16:06 »
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I was using the same one since day One. and still do for the other 8 sites Im with. had to use a new One if I wanted to get accepted at SS. It is theirs with a few Modifications. I think the Original One I used in 2003 was a IS release. Just rewrote it. I'll be switching to new one for all sites next week. when I shoot I always have a  backlog to upload in reserve.Like said if ya want a copy just ask.

ok, thank you.

wds

« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2016, 17:14 »
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When did the new release come out? I had been using the current IS release for all my submissions with no issue...but haven't submitted anything very recently. Wonder if they will still take the current IS release?...

Just checked on SS site. The latest release is dated 2012...did I miss something here?...is there a newer release somewhere?
« Last Edit: September 25, 2016, 17:19 by wds »

« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2016, 17:41 »
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I use a Getty release that's dated December, 2008 with Shutterstock and my other agencies.  Started using it in mid-2010 and continue to use it without any issues.  All the problems I've encountered were about incomplete or incorrectly entered information, not the content on the form itself.

Rinderart

« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2016, 18:39 »
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interesting The exact wording or mine was "Model Release--A complete & accurate Shutterstock approved model and/or property release is required." the One I was using since 2005 with Never a problem. i used a different release and all went right through in seconds. I dont know anymore.

« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2016, 19:01 »
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I use a Getty release that's dated December, 2008 with Shutterstock and my other agencies.  Started using it in mid-2010 and continue to use it without any issues.  All the problems I've encountered were about incomplete or incorrectly entered information, not the content on the form itself.
The same here. I use a model release, that Yuri Arcurs has published some years ago. Last upload to Shutterstock was some days ago without any problems. The mr was accepted as always.

« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2016, 19:32 »
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I have property releases of my own pets.  Not only are the property owner and name of photographer the same but under pets' names I have included : [ name of species] and "belonging to photographer" and one agency made me update it with a new one every year.

Rinderart

« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2016, 22:16 »
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I use a Getty release that's dated December, 2008 with Shutterstock and my other agencies.  Started using it in mid-2010 and continue to use it without any issues.  All the problems I've encountered were about incomplete or incorrectly entered information, not the content on the form itself.
The same here. I use a model release, that Yuri Arcurs has published some years ago. Last upload to Shutterstock was some days ago without any problems. The mr was accepted as always.


Probably the one I gave Him when he started. yuri wrote the forward in Our first book that I advertised here. His Dad is a great shooter also and friend.  N+MR release's??? I don't know anymore. I give up. When it works Great. when it doesn't refer back here and get another... I Have 47 Images of a great model. I finally got in touch with her. she moved back home from hollywood. Im sending her the new one to sign and return. what a PITA.

Me


« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2016, 23:13 »
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Maybe the change is not to the release itself but more around the policy of it. SS are saying that if a model signed a release, for example 7 years ago, should that same release still be valid if you rework the images, composite them into new images, etc? They are saying that the model should sign a new release which relates to the images you want to produce now. They are making sure that the model is aware of the new work you are wanting to produce and have agreed to it.


« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2016, 01:09 »
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Maybe the change is not to the release itself but more around the policy of it. SS are saying that if a model signed a release, for example 7 years ago, should that same release still be valid if you rework the images, composite them into new images, etc? They are saying that the model should sign a new release which relates to the images you want to produce now. They are making sure that the model is aware of the new work you are wanting to produce and have agreed to it.
Which makes no sense as the model in my case never saw the final results or signed them off

Rinderart

« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2016, 23:55 »
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Maybe the change is not to the release itself but more around the policy of it. SS are saying that if a model signed a release, for example 7 years ago, should that same release still be valid if you rework the images, composite them into new images, etc? They are saying that the model should sign a new release which relates to the images you want to produce now. They are making sure that the model is aware of the new work you are wanting to produce and have agreed to it.

That does make sense. I do go back at times and rework a few Old Images been doing that forever But...Never was rejected for a release. and It's ALWAYS on Primadonna SS.

« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2016, 00:42 »
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I was using the same one since day One. and still do for the other 8 sites Im with. had to use a new One if I wanted to get accepted at SS. It is theirs with a few Modifications. I think the Original One I used in 2003 was a IS release. Just rewrote it. I'll be switching to new one for all sites next week. when I shoot I always have a  backlog to upload in reserve.Like said if ya want a copy just ask.

I haven't uploaded in over a year.  I have a huge backlog of model released images.  Does this mean I can't upload them with the releases signed the day of the shoot, or with the ones that have been stored on THE SS site?

If I can't use my existing releases, that kills any chance of me uploading to SS again.  OTOH I can stop feeling guilty about not uploading...

« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2016, 00:47 »
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Maybe the change is not to the release itself but more around the policy of it. SS are saying that if a model signed a release, for example 7 years ago, should that same release still be valid if you rework the images, composite them into new images, etc? They are saying that the model should sign a new release which relates to the images you want to produce now. They are making sure that the model is aware of the new work you are wanting to produce and have agreed to it.

The whole POINT of having models sign a release is so they DON'T get to come along months or years later and complain about how the image was used or reworked.

Rinderart

« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2016, 00:09 »
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Correct and trust for me it has come up a LOT.

gyllens

« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2016, 01:49 »
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I can't find this news anywhere? this sounds a drastic move and possibly they have run into legal problems with releases? or else why asking us and especially older proven members for fresh and updated releases?
Lots of extra work for nothing really.
« Last Edit: September 29, 2016, 01:54 by gyllens »

« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2016, 09:44 »
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Maybe the change is not to the release itself but more around the policy of it. SS are saying that if a model signed a release, for example 7 years ago, should that same release still be valid if you rework the images, composite them into new images, etc? They are saying that the model should sign a new release which relates to the images you want to produce now. They are making sure that the model is aware of the new work you are wanting to produce and have agreed to it.

The whole POINT of having models sign a release is so they DON'T get to come along months or years later and complain about how the image was used or reworked.

true. even if the model suddenly becomes say, a political figure or famous as in the
case of those famous actresses or Miss America,etc.. who had posed nude
as a newbie,
the MR they signed held water in court.

i can't remember their names, but it was holding in the cases of
that Miss America who later became a singer,
and that actress , i think suzanne somers ???

the only exception being the models who added clauses
whereby it states something like eg. you cannot use her parts as a composite
with another model ...

but when it is re-used in a later date, the original MR all covers that .

« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2016, 21:44 »
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I use a Getty release that's dated December, 2008 with Shutterstock and my other agencies.  Started using it in mid-2010 and continue to use it without any issues.  All the problems I've encountered were about incomplete or incorrectly entered information, not the content on the form itself.
The same here. I use a model release, that Yuri Arcurs has published some years ago. Last upload to Shutterstock was some days ago without any problems. The mr was accepted as always.

No problems for me either. Must be another one of those things that only happens to Laurin. I'd like the specifics instead of a lynch mob rally without the details.

I can't find this news anywhere? this sounds a drastic move and possibly they have run into legal problems with releases? or else why asking us and especially older proven members for fresh and updated releases?
Lots of extra work for nothing really.

Only if you believe there is some problem, based on one person who likes to stir up complaints.

Correct and trust for me it has come up a LOT.

What comes up a lot? Do you use the same release for iStock since 2005? What do they say now?

Rinderart

« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2016, 11:48 »
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Funny story and what can Happen. I've shot my share of Artistic Nudes,LOL. Just a few in 15 years or so, Most back in the free wheeling Drug Fueled 60s and 70's. I have some nudes but not showing anything, even a GREAT selling 93 Year old woman covering herself on the floor. and her Idea.She was a famous Russian Ballerina in her 20's. I had One gorgeous Blond woman come in, in 2004/2005 Mans white shirt On with Blk Background. 6 Months later her friends go to Las Vegas [Sin City] and there she is. Her Head On a nude Body on top of a Cab advertising a strip club and dating service. LOL Needless to say she wasn't very excited and honestly after years doing this and issues That have come up about Misuse there isn't one site I know of that will Really Help you when push comes to shove.


"based on one person who likes to stir up complaints."

One person?? spend a Bit More time reading. Yada,Yada.LOL Love these anonymous Creative names. Always wondered what everyone is afraid of using a real name.?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2016, 11:54 by Rinderart »

« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2016, 12:24 »
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Stop whining already, jeepers creepers.


« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2016, 13:47 »
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 ::)
I have property releases of my own pets.  Not only are the property owner and name of photographer the same but under pets' names I have included : [ name of species] and "belonging to photographer" and one agency made me update it with a new one every year.

dpimborough

« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2016, 15:35 »
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Anyway glad to see they reset the search tools on the cutomer site :D

« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2016, 17:43 »
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Funny story and what can Happen. I've shot my share of Artistic Nudes,LOL. Just a few in 15 years or so, Most back in the free wheeling Drug Fueled 60s and 70's. I have some nudes but not showing anything, even a GREAT selling 93 Year old woman covering herself on the floor. and her Idea.She was a famous Russian Ballerina in her 20's. I had One gorgeous Blond woman come in, in 2004/2005 Mans white shirt On with Blk Background. 6 Months later her friends go to Las Vegas [Sin City] and there she is. Her Head On a nude Body on top of a Cab advertising a strip club and dating service. LOL Needless to say she wasn't very excited and honestly after years doing this and issues That have come up about Misuse there isn't one site I know of that will Really Help you when push comes to shove.


"based on one person who likes to stir up complaints."

One person?? spend a Bit More time reading. Yada,Yada.LOL Love these anonymous Creative names. Always wondered what everyone is afraid of using a real name.?

I said that when the site had some real people. Now it's mostly trolls, not you, because they want to complain, make up crap and tell stories of how bad the sites are. Claim that they can't tell the truth with their real name because they will get banned. So you need to point that finger at 80% of the people here, maybe more.

I was in favor of accountability and real names, but the crybabies won with their fear campaign.

Back to your complaint, I see most of the comments and most people having no problem with SS releases, but you made it a major topic. You are using IS releases? What releases do you use for IS? You didn't answer. What do you used for FT?


You wrote you were going to phone some big shot at SS and talk to them. What did you say, how did it go?

« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2016, 03:21 »
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Nevermind
« Last Edit: October 01, 2016, 08:15 by Justanotherphotographer »

FlowerPower

« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2016, 09:00 »
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You Cannot Upload Older images of people you've done before without Brand New releases done the way the primadonna site wants them Now...The site who is special ya know....Ya right.. Just a heads Up. If you have reworked Older Images forget it. If your shooting Older models again and using old releases ....Forget it.....

Just a heads Up. All Other sites take the releases you have. Not SS. there special Ya know. This is such BS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And pretentious.

Why not? What reason do they give you for rejecting old releases. What part of them is bad. I have some and I want to fix it before I upload again.

What did they give for a reason?

« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2016, 09:20 »
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Plenty of people are doing just fine with their old releases. I would just try and see how you go before panicking because of one person's experience.

« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2016, 17:02 »
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if you use a release without a date it has little value. stop moaning,  their agency their rules. abide or piss off

« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2016, 10:53 »
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if you use a release without a date it has little value. stop moaning,  their agency their rules. abide or piss off

Like some others here, I'd like to know what reason they give. Unless I missed it, Laurin just writes that he's getting rejections for his releases, but doesn't say what part is the problem. That would be useful instead of the whining and warning or complaining. Something helpful for all of us.

No I don't have problems with releases going back to 2008. I'd like to know why?

I think that's a fair question which Laurin could answer. He says he likes helping people?

« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2016, 13:55 »
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reply number 3

« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2016, 10:30 »
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reply number 3

Dates need to be put under everything? Can you explain what that means? Like one date for whole release doesn't work, but every signing needs a date under it? I wish Laurin would write a clear exact reason why they are rejected. What does dates under everything mean?


« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2016, 02:40 »
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date of the shoot, date of photographer signature and date of witness signature, 3 dates

gyllens

« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2016, 03:23 »
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Sorry people but I haven't heard anything official about all this lark!  I uploaded 14 pics just yesterday and with the same old releases and they all went through without the slightest problem. Not a word not a sound about anything and no problems with old dates. Nothing at all.


 

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