Author Topic: Shutterstock sales is sinking deeply... (Read 118731 times)

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #175 on:** February 06, 2015, 16:22 »

As I've said many times, the LCV/HCV idea only works if you assume equal availability of both kinds of shot. If suppliers shun LCV and concentrate on HCV then the dilution effect will tend to equalise the returns. In addition, exceptional HCV may do brilliantly, while mediocre HCV are likely to underperform even LCV, since there is a small market but only a very few suppliers for the latter.

gbalex · « **Reply #176 on:** February 07, 2015, 01:04 »

Buyers determine the value of an image. It is a HCV image when many buyers vote by purchase.

They will never see or buy an image if it is buried on page 300 in a search, where buyers will never find it.

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #177 on:** February 07, 2015, 02:42 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on February 06, 2015, 16:04

Quote from: Sebalos on February 06, 2015, 08:38
Quote from: mojaric on February 06, 2015, 07:33
Quote from: Sebalos on February 06, 2015, 03:07

I see that we are becoming more and more people that we complain about the current situation, regardless of the quality or size of our portfolio.
I do not know how this thinks can help us, may be just to see that we are quite many who suffer from the same problems. My guess is this cries will not help us, but even to become increasingly more upset and frustrated.
Why do not try to come up with solutions / ideas, regardless of their nature? I find that we will have much more to gain!

hi Sebalos...this is a good point, and sometime ago i've said the same

but in this forum complaining and pessimism is the only welcome thing...in addition one "self proclaimed top photographer" answered (to an intelligent post like your) that he was not going to share his super good revolutionary ideas with his competitors (aka us)

so don't expect any good answer because the forum is just a whining wall....

Thanks mojaric!
Sad but I get the point ...

What to do?

So we all stop uploading pix, hire developers to make our new platform, all become shareholders. When website ready we withdraw from all other agencies and only upload to ours.
Who is in?

I am !

gbalex · « **Reply #178 on:** February 07, 2015, 12:31 »

Quote from: Sebalos on February 07, 2015, 02:42

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on February 06, 2015, 16:04
Quote from: Sebalos on February 06, 2015, 08:38
Quote from: mojaric on February 06, 2015, 07:33
Quote from: Sebalos on February 06, 2015, 03:07

I see that we are becoming more and more people that we complain about the current situation, regardless of the quality or size of our portfolio.
I do not know how this thinks can help us, may be just to see that we are quite many who suffer from the same problems. My guess is this cries will not help us, but even to become increasingly more upset and frustrated.
Why do not try to come up with solutions / ideas, regardless of their nature? I find that we will have much more to gain!

hi Sebalos...this is a good point, and sometime ago i've said the same

but in this forum complaining and pessimism is the only welcome thing...in addition one "self proclaimed top photographer" answered (to an intelligent post like your) that he was not going to share his super good revolutionary ideas with his competitors (aka us)

so don't expect any good answer because the forum is just a whining wall....

Thanks mojaric!
Sad but I get the point ...

What to do?

So we all stop uploading pix, hire developers to make our new platform, all become shareholders. When website ready we withdraw from all other agencies and only upload to ours.
Who is in?

I am !

Yuri could have easily done this with his platform and the sites knew it. I think this is one of the reasons he got the deal he did.

I would be in if we collaborated to build a site of equal caliber.

Rinderart · « **Reply #179 on:** February 07, 2015, 12:41 »

Count me in also. Start a factory or something. lets take control back. get 10 good folks with a VERY strong work ethic and Images and lets go. then we can contact each other Offline and do something. Im ready.Tired of complaining, It affects my work.Go to meeting anyone?

Snow · « **Reply #180 on:** February 07, 2015, 13:47 »

I've said it before, Tyler has the power to turn this forum into a successful stock agency. We've got the sellers who are tired of being ripped off and we got enough buyers reading this forum. MSG is well known out there. There are enough skilled designers and programmers here to get started. Just imagine if this forum turned into a stock agency one day, the potential it could have, agencies would freak out and maybe that is exactly why this will never happen. I would like to know what Tyler thinks of this idea though, then again maybe he gets enough return from this forum and his portfolio and doesn't care.
Deep down we all know we are being ripped off but since the money is still good we let them abuse us a little longer, which seems to last forever

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #181 on:** February 07, 2015, 13:54 »

Quote from: Snow on February 07, 2015, 13:47

I've said it before, Tyler has the power to turn this forum into a successful stock agency. We've got the sellers who are tired of being ripped off and we got enough buyers reading this forum. MSG is well known out there. There are enough skilled designers and programmers here to get started. Just imagine if this forum turned into a stock agency one day, the potential it could have, agencies would freak out and maybe that is exactly why this will never happen. I would like to know what Tyler thinks of this idea though, then again maybe he gets enough return from this forum and his portfolio and doesn't care.
Deep down we all know we are being ripped off but since the money is still good we let them abuse us a little longer, which seems to last forever

+10
So true, cos ppl and all the contacts are on MSG already.

Rinderart · « **Reply #182 on:** February 07, 2015, 14:30 »

Quote from: Snow on February 07, 2015, 13:47

I've said it before, Tyler has the power to turn this forum into a successful stock agency. We've got the sellers who are tired of being ripped off and we got enough buyers reading this forum. MSG is well known out there. There are enough skilled designers and programmers here to get started. Just imagine if this forum turned into a stock agency one day, the potential it could have, agencies would freak out and maybe that is exactly why this will never happen. I would like to know what Tyler thinks of this idea though, then again maybe he gets enough return from this forum and his portfolio and doesn't care.
Deep down we all know we are being ripped off but since the money is still good we let them abuse us a little longer, which seems to last forever

One of the Best Ideas I've ever heard. probably THE best. My head almost exploded. I've always said that a 50/50 split is fair for every sale. One size Image. let the buyer downsize, No subs. $5.00 Per Image. if a company can't make it on 50%, they don't belong in Business especially when the product is free. Brilliant Idea Snow.BRILLIANT!!!!!!! Tyler....You listening? I can get you a lot of very good shooters. MicrostockgroupPhotos.com.

I own the domain name Bestofroyaltyfree.com had it for a long time. Tyler , If interested and you do this, It's yours.

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #183 on:** February 09, 2015, 01:18 »

I think we are on the right track with this idea . This forum is may be a perfect start. Let's do it !!!

cg3dphoto · « **Reply #184 on:** February 09, 2015, 01:32 »

I think this is a brilliant idea! If we all take action and provide our images at only one site, 50/50 split, or if any existing site can get a large number of microstockers to agree to join this, then all of us will win. But the biggest problem is, how to get started?

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #185 on:** February 09, 2015, 01:38 »

Quote from: Rinderart on February 07, 2015, 14:30

Quote from: Snow on February 07, 2015, 13:47

One of the Best Ideas I've ever heard. probably THE best. My head almost exploded. I've always said that a 50/50 split is fair for every sale. One size Image. let the buyer downsize, No subs. $5.00 Per Image. if a company can't make it on 50%, they don't belong in Business especially when the product is free. Brilliant Idea Snow.BRILLIANT!!!!!!! Tyler....You listening? I can get you a lot of very good shooters. MicrostockgroupPhotos.com.

I own the domain name Bestofroyaltyfree.com had it for a long time. Tyler , If interested and you do this, It's yours.

And to me it seems a fair deal. The website must invest in promotions tools, programmers, designers, and so on, and we, the photographers, in gear, books and other stuff.

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #186 on:** February 09, 2015, 02:01 »

1.   Name & logo
2.   The web design & programming
3.   Hosting
4.   Commissions system (I believe 50%50 is ok without subs)
5.   Site promotion
no matter the order.

Ariene · « **Reply #187 on:** February 09, 2015, 03:24 »

Quote from: Rinderart on February 07, 2015, 14:30

I've always said that a 50/50 split is fair for every sale. One size Image. let the buyer downsize, No subs. $5.00 Per Image...
I can get you a lot of very good shooters.

Excuse me but are you serious talking about very good sellers happy to sell their very good work for 2,5$ in high res.? Please, tell me it's irony only

Very good sellers or very mass sellers are you thinking about?

leaf · « **Reply #188 on:** February 09, 2015, 03:33 »

I'm afraid to disappoint, but I won't be setting up an agency

It is an incredible amount of work and very risky, and not what I dream of doing the next 10-20 years. There are people much better than me which would much better suited for the task. MicrostockGroup is what it is (I feel) because it is a neutral stand-point between all the agencies. If it was an agency or part of an agency then the neutrality would be gone. Just look how emotional every Stocksy thread gets.

If I were to set up an agency, I think Stocksy would be exactly what I'd want to set up. No sense reinventing the wheel.

r2d2 · « **Reply #189 on:** February 09, 2015, 04:33 »

why not take advantage of Symbiostock infrastructure ?

1. A meaningful domain like for example symbiostock.com, .net, .club, etc. as a landing page for the customer not individual pages.
2. Uniform licensable, uniform rates and a global search.
3. A service provider (Agency) who makes the administration and accounting for a fee.

One nice looking Domain on the infrastructure of Symbiostock promoted by all of us (viral/links/banner/adwords/ etc.) is the key in my view.
The developers simply need to get money so that their work pays off, that's another reason why Symbiostock does not develop further in my opinion.

ShadySue · « **Reply #190 on:** February 09, 2015, 04:43 »

Quote from: R2D2 on February 09, 2015, 04:33

why not take advantage of Symbiostock infrastructure ?

Doesn't each individual there have to take on their own burden of VAT gathering, calculating and reporting? For the successful, that's a lot of paperwork (time not spent shooting). Even just constantly keeping up with the VAT rates across the different countries so that you have the correct rate for the date of your sale.

r2d2 · « **Reply #191 on:** February 09, 2015, 04:51 »

Quote from: ShadySue on February 09, 2015, 04:43

Quote from: R2D2 on February 09, 2015, 04:33
why not take advantage of Symbiostock infrastructure ?
Doesn't each individual there have to take on their own burden of VAT gathering, calculating and reporting? For the successful, that's a lot of paperwork (time not spent shooting). Even just constantly keeping up with the VAT rates across the different countries so that you have the correct rate for the date of your sale.

3. A service provider (Agency) who makes the administration and accounting for a fee.

ShadySue · « **Reply #192 on:** February 09, 2015, 05:17 »

Quote from: R2D2 on February 09, 2015, 04:51

Quote from: ShadySue on February 09, 2015, 04:43
Quote from: R2D2 on February 09, 2015, 04:33
why not take advantage of Symbiostock infrastructure ?
Doesn't each individual there have to take on their own burden of VAT gathering, calculating and reporting? For the successful, that's a lot of paperwork (time not spent shooting). Even just constantly keeping up with the VAT rates across the different countries so that you have the correct rate for the date of your sale.

3. A service provider (Agency) who makes the administration and accounting for a fee.

Whoops, sorry, I didn't know about that and somehow didn't register it in your post.

borg · « **Reply #193 on:** February 09, 2015, 05:24 »

Quote from: leaf on February 09, 2015, 03:33

I'm afraid to disappoint, but I won't be setting up an agency

It is an incredible amount of work and very risky, and not what I dream of doing the next 10-20 years. There are people much better than me which would much better suited for the task. MicrostockGroup is what it is (I feel) because it is a neutral stand-point between all the agencies. If it was an agency or part of an agency then the neutrality would be gone. Just look how emotional every Stocksy thread gets.

If I were to set up an agency, I think Stocksy would be exactly what I'd want to set up. No sense reinventing the wheel.

Leaf, just find people to do that except you, and live after from some percentage...
Don't lose our good will from this forum... This is an opportunity, for sure!

PixelBytes · « **Reply #194 on:** February 09, 2015, 14:36 »

Quote from: borg on February 09, 2015, 05:24

Quote from: leaf on February 09, 2015, 03:33
I'm afraid to disappoint, but I won't be setting up an agency

It is an incredible amount of work and very risky, and not what I dream of doing the next 10-20 years. There are people much better than me which would much better suited for the task. MicrostockGroup is what it is (I feel) because it is a neutral stand-point between all the agencies. If it was an agency or part of an agency then the neutrality would be gone. Just look how emotional every Stocksy thread gets.

If I were to set up an agency, I think Stocksy would be exactly what I'd want to set up. No sense reinventing the wheel.

Leaf, just find people to do that except you, and live after from some percentage...
Don't lose our good will from this forum... This is an opportunity, for sure!

If your so hot to see this happen, why don't you do it instead of badgering Leaf when he already said he isn't interested?

Rinderart · « **Reply #195 on:** February 09, 2015, 14:44 »

I'll be looking into talking with a few people that Invest in these Kinds of things. May take awhile. I'll try to sell an Idea.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #196 on:** February 09, 2015, 15:00 »

Quote from: Ariene on February 09, 2015, 03:24

Quote from: Rinderart on February 07, 2015, 14:30
I've always said that a 50/50 split is fair for every sale. One size Image. let the buyer downsize, No subs. $5.00 Per Image...
I can get you a lot of very good shooters.

Excuse me but are you serious talking about very good sellers happy to sell their very good work for 2,5$ in high res.? Please, tell me it's irony only
Very good sellers or very mass sellers are you thinking about?

Seems he is not happy with the 28$ he gets on SS. Its just too much.

nicku · « **Reply #197 on:** February 09, 2015, 15:46 »

My sales on SS were horribe in Jan.... worst month since February 2012... I read most of the post regarding the ''SS problem''; I concluded that accelerated dillution combined with aggressive promotion of low quality but ''profitable'' (meaning .25 , .33 contributors) images in search engine.... SS is the winer and majority of professional contributors the loosers...

P.S. At the end you must satisfy the shareholders with constant growth in revenue regardless the metod.

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #198 on:** February 09, 2015, 17:54 »

Quote from: Snow on February 07, 2015, 13:47

I've said it before, Tyler has the power to turn this forum into a successful stock agency. We've got the sellers who are tired of being ripped off and we got enough buyers reading this forum. MSG is well known out there. There are enough skilled designers and programmers here to get started. Just imagine if this forum turned into a stock agency one day, the potential it could have, agencies would freak out and maybe that is exactly why this will never happen. I would like to know what Tyler thinks of this idea though, then again maybe he gets enough return from this forum and his portfolio and doesn't care.
Deep down we all know we are being ripped off but since the money is still good we let them abuse us a little longer, which seems to last forever

even if Tyler wants to start his own agency, why would he want all the headaches???
he already knows how many trolls he gets here, and he will get more ~~death threat~~ from the agencies he collected affliates commission when we all started becoming microstock-ers, as we all joined the agencies from clicking the links to the right.

i am not saying Tyler is ill-suited to start an agency. just saying he would not want to be the one to kill microstock. and eventually, he would in turn face the barrage of protestors because next time, they would all be whining here on msg about Tyler-stock

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #199 on:** February 09, 2015, 17:55 »

Quote from: gbalex on February 07, 2015, 12:31

Yuri could have easily done this with his platform and the sites knew it. I think this is one of the reasons he got the deal he did.

I would be in if we collaborated to build a site of equal caliber.

now, again, why would Yuri do that??? this is the site that gave him the finger.

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