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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2021, 03:18 »
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The similarity checks did get totally strict lately, beyond reasonable the way I see it. The way I avoid problems is to never submit anything even remotely related, say two pictures of two completely different cats (hey, it's till a cat! Similar!) in the same batch. Seems to work nicely, although it obviously slow things down a lot.

I submit the first cat, wait for it to be approved, and only then submit the second cat.

Yes, that's how I do it too. That works, but it indeed does take time.


Thank you very, very much. That helps. Good idea. It really slows things down. I don't have that problem with other agencies and never ever took similar photos. Only one vertical version and one horizontal version but in my case the last 2 images of corn and autumn leaves were completely different. I have written to SS yesterday that they care costing me money and that this nonsense has to stop. I was soooooooooo angry. Now I have to make a separate folder just for SS. Great. But thank you for letting me know that that works. I was worried that their AI will remember it even if I wait for one year to upload the next image. I have seen so many images being so similar that I couldn't even see the difference straight away. I do understand that they don't want that. Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Very much appreciated.


Well, that is astonishing but on the other hand I watched a training video from SS years ago and they said to make a vertical version for the magazines and a horizontal one for the websites. That's why I was very astonished that the vertical version of my corn image was rejected and it's not even identical to the horizontal version. I am still speechless and really angry.


Uncle Pete

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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2021, 11:46 »
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Well, that is astonishing but on the other hand I watched a training video from SS years ago and they said to make a vertical version for the magazines and a horizontal one for the websites. That's why I was very astonished that the vertical version of my corn image was rejected and it's not even identical to the horizontal version. I am still speechless and really angry.

Years ago is the answer, they changed with the new "stricter" (ha ha) standards. And the fact that some sort of software is detecting the similar. I don't know how some sets get past, but from reading here, the reviews have clamped down on similar elements in images, to the point that fairly different images, can get rejected as similar, because of a identical prop in the images, or same model.

Example of what SS sees as similar images, in a search:



Anyone want to guess what the search was? Purse, Wallet, Box Camera, or one of the various others?
« Last Edit: December 15, 2021, 11:49 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2021, 16:31 »
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Something grey :)

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2021, 11:03 »
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Something grey :)

Yeah, and the point is, however they determine similar, it's by way of some strange analytical software and not something that you are doing wrong. Looking at the images I thing someone could start to guess it's the metallic dot, the general black shape and all are isolated images.

Then we ask, how does this happen, and pass? I think the guy with the obvious similar images, has this for everything he has up, and over 276,000 images listed. I'll guess he just waits a month and uploads another and the software misses it. Looking at his portfolio by age, there are no duplicates, but click on any image and he has many of everything.




Whatever it is, he's got raw pork knuckle covered?

That's my guess:  How do people manage to avoid the rejection for Identical Submissions?

« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2021, 14:22 »
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I had once been stupid enough to upload two pictures of different gooseberries in different bushes at once. Of course, one photo was rejected for similar. Both photos were approved by Alamy and Adobe. Once every few months I upload the photo again (mainly out of curiosity if I succeed) but it is always rejected. As if they're thinking: h... He's trying again!"

« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2021, 16:30 »
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I did a small experiment today, with a smartphone image of a forest:
-> 3 crops of the same image and a 4th image with only some lightbeams on it
-> all 4 images were accepted in 2 submissions (2 images accepted each submission)

It seems some very similar images just get through...
« Last Edit: December 16, 2021, 16:38 by JustAnImage »

« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2021, 19:44 »
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Once every few months I upload the photo again (mainly out of curiosity if I succeed) but it is always rejected. As if they're thinking: h... He's trying again!"
make some tiny changes to the photo :)

« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2021, 19:45 »
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Whatever it is, he's got raw pork knuckle covered?



Oy way

« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2021, 20:50 »
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I had once been stupid enough to upload two pictures of different gooseberries in different bushes at once. Of course, one photo was rejected for similar. Both photos were approved by Alamy and Adobe. Once every few months I upload the photo again (mainly out of curiosity if I succeed) but it is always rejected. As if they're thinking: h... He's trying again!"

they do track previous submissions; the instructions say to indicate it's a re-sub to get a different reviewer (not clear whether initial reviewer would see it anyway)

« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2021, 02:59 »
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Once every few months I upload the photo again (mainly out of curiosity if I succeed) but it is always rejected. As if they're thinking: h... He's trying again!"
make some tiny changes to the photo :)


Good idea.

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I had once been stupid enough to upload two pictures of different gooseberries in different bushes at once. Of course, one photo was rejected for similar. Both photos were approved by Alamy and Adobe. Once every few months I upload the photo again (mainly out of curiosity if I succeed) but it is always rejected. As if they're thinking: h... He's trying again!"

they do track previous submissions; the instructions say to indicate it's a re-sub to get a different reviewer (not clear whether initial reviewer would see it anyway)

I think so too. I'll give it a try with some changes. Not because this photo sells so well, but I think it would be interesting to see if it works.

« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2021, 04:47 »
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I had once been stupid enough to upload two pictures of different gooseberries in different bushes at once. Of course, one photo was rejected for similar. Both photos were approved by Alamy and Adobe. Once every few months I upload the photo again (mainly out of curiosity if I succeed) but it is always rejected. As if they're thinking: h... He's trying again!"

I cut it vertically. Now it was no problem at all. Approved within half an hour. https://www.shutterstock.com/nl/image-photo/ripening-gooseberries-shrub-gooseberry-european-ribes-2092123630

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2021, 10:04 »
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Yes to all of that. I was just watching the similar rejections that people posted and sometimes there's one model (distinctive face recognition?) or a distinctive prop or part of a design, and they get rejected for similar, when they really aren't so much.

Who knows how far back the reviewers can see? But that guy I posted just up the thread has 7-10 of many food shots, all of them micro adjustments and then some identical with just the background changed.

After reading, it can be a reviewer, but I'm sticking to my theory that there's some pre-review software and when it misses, then things can get past, and when the Bot sees similar, the image is dead and never gets to a reviewer. Someone just told me he got a 20 minute rejection. Yet most of the time we are seeing accepted images take a day or two.

I'll bet that something with a distinctive subject, and I'll crop portrait and landscape, one of them will get rejected for similar. But the colors and the main point have to be standing out enough for the Bots to recognize them.  :) Another entertaining challenge would be get a rejection for similar when the shots are completely different subjects, but similar composition and colors.

I mean more than Gooseberries, on two different plants, something like a green striped ball and a gooseberry. Only if I'm in the mood to waste time, for nothing?


« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2021, 19:07 »
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Who knows how far back the reviewers can see? But that guy I posted just up the thread has 7-10 of many food shots, all of them micro adjustments and then some identical with just the background changed.
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they've re-activated the way-back machine. i recently reworked a number of images from 10 years ago, using current apps to reduce noise,sharpen, etc - most were accepted, but a few were tossed as similar as they'd been accepted long ago, and the ai/reviewer didnt consider there were improvements

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2021, 11:21 »
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Who knows how far back the reviewers can see? But that guy I posted just up the thread has 7-10 of many food shots, all of them micro adjustments and then some identical with just the background changed.
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they've re-activated the way-back machine. i recently reworked a number of images from 10 years ago, using current apps to reduce noise,sharpen, etc - most were accepted, but a few were tossed as similar as they'd been accepted long ago, and the ai/reviewer didnt consider there were improvements

So they are now searching through "377,304,034 stock photos, vectors, and illustrations" ? That machine must be working hard to create identifications by major features, colors and shapes. I was always amazed when I used Shazam at how fast it can identify a popular song. Funny also is how many older songs aren't in the database. It must use the key first, to start the elimination... and without going on about that, I can imagine the SS duplicate finder, or similar analysis, does the same, starting with (for example) major color, then shapes, and so on down whatever hierarchy they have devised.

A few years ago, I added some backgrounds, like wood or a solid color, to old isolated images, to make them better. They aren't, they don't sell but they were accepted.


« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2021, 14:30 »
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interesting rejection today:

-- similar
-- non-licensable

the 'similar' was in the same batch!


 

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