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« on: October 02, 2015, 02:01 »
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I noticed this morning (Australian Time) that more than a hundred new entries in some Asian language appeared over night in the Discussion Forum. And it becomes more widespread while writing here.  I have contacted Vince, but he might be still asleep. I noticed already yesterday, that my Footage Gallery was switched to Chinese or Korean or whatever, although I didn't touch that option. And furthermore, 2.5GB uploaded footage clips disappeared (but there might be another reason for it), not showing up in my Submission Folder. Something is going on in the background - and that is not good. Hope, Admin is waking up soon and sort it out quickly!


« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 02:54 »
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Well, I hope my sales are for real, not some bogus hacks.

« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 03:02 »
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I emailed SS too, apparently everybody is still sleeping at this hour. In the meantime, thousands of spam links are invading the forum.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 05:01 by Dodie »

« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2015, 05:25 »
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50 pages of the stuff in the "bugs" forum alone.


Added at 8:00 a.m. - seems to be better now.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 07:07 by riffmax »

Johnski2015

« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 07:38 »
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Yeah it's getting hit real hard - new forum must be really vulnerable to the attack - lets hope they sort it out soon!

ShadySue

« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2015, 07:49 »
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I emailed SS too, apparently everybody is still sleeping at this hour. In the meantime, thousands of spam links are invading the forum.
They're taking their 'learn how to foul up from iStock' policy very seriously.

Rinderart

« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 10:50 »
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It was followed by a contributor outage during the day.

« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2015, 12:35 »
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I don't know but SS seems a bit shakey in its foundations nowadays. There isn't much working at the moment. This just shows how vulnerable it all is.
Whats next.

« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2015, 12:49 »
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Whats next.
More royalty cuts if I had to guess.

« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2015, 12:55 »
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Whats next.
More royalty cuts if I had to guess.

sounds great, can't wait for that one. ;)

« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2015, 12:56 »
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Whats next.
More royalty cuts if I had to guess.

sounds great, can't wait for that one. ;)
There have been two in about the last month so far.

« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2015, 13:06 »
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Whats next.
More royalty cuts if I had to guess.

sounds great, can't wait for that one. ;)
There have been two in about the last month so far.

Can you be specific? What royalty cuts in the last month?

« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2015, 13:10 »
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Whats next.
More royalty cuts if I had to guess.

sounds great, can't wait for that one. ;)
There have been two in about the last month so far.

Can you be specific? What royalty cuts in the last month?
First they changed the earnings schedule and lowered the cost of two image on demand sales (which made sense, the new pricing made sense for those to be priced like the other ODs) then they raised the price back up on those sales but kept the new earnings schedule terms with the OD rates instead of the % rates that they had before.  Now they added the new subscription plans that pay as little as $1.25 (5 sub royalties) for a $29 per month plan, paying out as little as 4% as a result. 

« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2015, 13:14 »
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Whats next.
More royalty cuts if I had to guess.

sounds great, can't wait for that one. ;)
There have been two in about the last month so far.

Can you be specific? What royalty cuts in the last month?
First they changed the earnings schedule and lowered the cost of two image on demand sales (which made sense, the new pricing made sense for those to be priced like the other ODs) then they raised the price back up on those sales but kept the new earnings schedule terms with the OD rates instead of the % rates that they had before.  Now they added the new subscription plans that pay as little as $1.25 (5 sub royalties) for a $29 per month plan, paying out as little as 4% as a result.

Oh I thought your question was are they subs and are they paying 4% and will this probably lower earnings. Now you are saying it's a fact, not a question or guessing? Are you a SS photographer now? I thought you were IS exclusive? Or are you just a concerned citizen looking out for our interests and what we make? Planning on dropping exclusive soon?

« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2015, 13:20 »
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Whats next.
More royalty cuts if I had to guess.

sounds great, can't wait for that one. ;)
There have been two in about the last month so far.

Can you be specific? What royalty cuts in the last month?
First they changed the earnings schedule and lowered the cost of two image on demand sales (which made sense, the new pricing made sense for those to be priced like the other ODs) then they raised the price back up on those sales but kept the new earnings schedule terms with the OD rates instead of the % rates that they had before.  Now they added the new subscription plans that pay as little as $1.25 (5 sub royalties) for a $29 per month plan, paying out as little as 4% as a result.

Oh I thought your question was are they subs and are they paying 4% and will this probably lower earnings. Now you are saying it's a fact, not a question or guessing? Are you a SS photographer now? I thought you were IS exclusive? Or are you just a concerned citizen looking out for our interests and what we make? Planning on dropping exclusive soon?
I'm 99% sure that they are going to pay those out as subs because that's the only category they fit into in the earnings schedule, they aren't On Demand, ELs, or Custom images and they are called subs so it's hard to see them put in one of the other categories.  I'm going to assume that subs will pay in the subs category unless there is more information contradicting that.  I actually looked into this because of very low royalties on my last video sales so I wondered if something had changed and noticed these new subs plans.  Since no one had brought them up I posted it.  Who knows what the future will be maybe one day I won't be exclusive but I do know that these things don't happen in a vacuum so this may affect me at iStock or it might signal a change for video royalties. 
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 13:26 by tickstock »

ShadySue

« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2015, 13:53 »
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that these things don't happen in a vacuum ...

Indeed they don't:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/new-istock-subs-plans-this-is-what-you-earn
Like I said above, SS is learning from iS.  >:( :'( all round.
« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 14:19 by ShadySue »

« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2015, 14:00 »
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that these things don't happen in a vacuum ...

Indeed they don't:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/new-istock-subs-plans-this-is-what-you-earn
Like I said above, SS are learning from iS.  >:( :'( all round.

Are they offering that where you are, they haven't yet in the US as far as I know.


ShadySue

« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2015, 14:17 »
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that these things don't happen in a vacuum ...

Indeed they don't:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/new-istock-subs-plans-this-is-what-you-earn
Like I said above, SS are learning from iS.  >:( :'( all round.

Are they offering that where you are, they haven't yet in the US as far as I know.


Yes, one month 10 Essentials sub: 25 / $38
One month 10 Signature sub: 65 / $99

So someone could pay $9.90 for an essential file, for which an exclusive would get 34c and an indie would get 28c. Makes that SS deal look generous.  :( >:(

« Last Edit: October 02, 2015, 14:29 by ShadySue »

« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2015, 14:43 »
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You're always looking at the worst case how about the best case.  SS 10 image plan pays 7%, iS 10 image plan pays 25%. 

Shelma1

« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2015, 15:20 »
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You're always looking at the worst case how about the best case.  SS 10 image plan pays 7%, iS 10 image plan pays 25%.

Oh, the irony!!!

« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2015, 17:53 »
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When SS "cuts" royalties I still get the same per download, when IS does it I get less per download.

ShadySue

« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2015, 18:01 »
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When SS "cuts" royalties I still get the same per download, when IS does it I get less per download.
There's a difference between your commission percentage and your royalty payment.
In that iStock example above, we keep the same amount per sub sold, but Getty pockets a lot more.

« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2015, 20:41 »
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When SS "cuts" royalties I still get the same per download, when IS does it I get less per download.
There's a difference between your commission percentage and your royalty payment.
In that iStock example above, we keep the same amount per sub sold, but Getty pockets a lot more.
Yep in those subs plans you get to keep the same no matter what SS or iS charges, wooyay!  In the first example of the two royalty cuts SS changed it from a % to a set amount resulting in real dollars lost per sale.  From $4.35 to $2.85.

« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2015, 22:09 »
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To get back to the initial topic: the next wave of spam attacks is hitting the forum. I wouldn't go to bed or even enjoy the weekend off if I were SS. WAKE UP! Tomorrow there might even more affected than just the forum...

« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2015, 22:42 »
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This business must be the biggest crackpot business in the world as far as managements and owners. They simply never learn from other agencies mistakes.
The truth is probably very simple, they are slowly losing it. Remember IS some years back. This is how the decline started, one cockup after another, nobody cared,  thought they were invincible. Then the hammer fell.

One would have thought they had some sort of an answer some response to the Adobe/FT move but they don't. Suits are just suits not thinkers and strategists.

« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2015, 02:34 »
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This business must be the biggest crackpot business in the world as far as managements and owners. They simply never learn from other agencies mistakes.
The truth is probably very simple, they are slowly losing it. Remember IS some years back. This is how the decline started, one cockup after another, nobody cared,  thought they were invincible. Then the hammer fell.

One would have thought they had some sort of an answer some response to the Adobe/FT move but they don't. Suits are just suits not thinkers and strategists.

I fear you may be right. I used to think SS had it easy cos they were the only really well managed Mstock outfit - I think abode may be hunting them down......but too early to tell.

« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2015, 04:24 »
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To get back to the initial topic: the next wave of spam attacks is hitting the forum. I wouldn't go to bed or even enjoy the weekend off if I were SS. WAKE UP! Tomorrow there might even more affected than just the forum...
Exactly my thoughts. Apparently, nothing related to contributors is important for SS, any more.
Why is it so hard to apply a simple language filter to stop entries other than English. I have to fill out that stupid chaptha each and every time I navigate from one page to another on SS and this guy is creating tens of accounts undisturbed.


« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2015, 05:21 »
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The solution is fairly simple.  Forum software is the same that AM uses but, there, the first post is moderated.

« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2015, 05:44 »
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The solution is fairly simple.  Forum software is the same that AM uses but, there, the first post is moderated.
And who should moderate at SS? They don't do night shift and they are probably fee for weekends.

« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2015, 06:26 »
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Given the type of business totally dependent on computers, Internet 24 hours a day, seven days a week and the size of the SS office. It would really surprise me if they left in unmanned during nights and weekends.
Besides I don't think an ordinary forum moderator can handle a situation like that thinking of that Jensen guy or whatever his name is. He is only there to keep an eye on posts and pull up on bad language at best.

I think the posts are created in such a way they are unstoppable once they start coming in.

« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2015, 06:45 »
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Easy solution - only those new contributors who had their ID card or passport approved can post on the forum. I dont think spammers would bother to submit some made-up ID card and then wait for a week or more to have it approved. They wouldnt go that far.

The decent new contributors who have problems with submitting their ID will be still able to at least read the forum and find email contact to SS support if necessary.

« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2015, 07:32 »
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The solution is fairly simple.  Forum software is the same that AM uses but, there, the first post is moderated.
And who should moderate at SS? They don't do night shift and they are probably fee for weekends.
Where's the problem?  It just means a new and otherwise unverified poster might have to wait until someone can have a look at the first post.

OM

« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2015, 07:07 »
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They cleared all the spam yesterday but haven't done anything to prevent the spammer doing the same again today which, of course, they have.

« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2015, 10:27 »
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They've done a good job of preventing me from using the forum at all. I can't seem to get it to work in Firefox.

Rinderart

« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2015, 12:13 »
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It was down for about an Hour and the spam is back, Big time. could be looking for Paypal acc's or LoginS??

« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2015, 13:25 »
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All that money and they dont have a good enough forewall to prevent hackers from makng a mess

« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2015, 13:44 »
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Right!  multi billion corp and this is what happens ::)


« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2015, 19:17 »
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Right!  multi billion corp and this is what happens ::)


Yeah but all the money goes to investors, certainly not to their suppliers or keeping the site running.

« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2015, 19:49 »
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Well, maybe to one class of investors or top execs who were awarded SS shares without making any real investments.

Regular shareholders who invested into SS shares at $50 or more, don't reap any benefits (no dividends or share appreciation), and most probably lost a bundle.

« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2015, 02:50 »
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When SS "cuts" royalties I still get the same per download, when IS does it I get less per download.
There's a difference between your commission percentage and your royalty payment.
In that iStock example above, we keep the same amount per sub sold, but Getty pockets a lot more.
Yep in those subs plans you get to keep the same no matter what SS or iS charges, wooyay!  In the first example of the two royalty cuts SS changed it from a % to a set amount resulting in real dollars lost per sale.  From $4.35 to $2.85.
I am still getting $4.35, I dont see any $2.85 sods

OM

« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2015, 05:14 »
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It was down for about an Hour and the spam is back, Big time. could be looking for Paypal acc's or LoginS??

If it were the the buyers part of the site, you can bet it would have been fixed in no time. We're just contributors exchanging messages of no importance to the main business of making the folding greenery.  :(

« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2015, 05:26 »
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It was down for about an Hour and the spam is back, Big time. could be looking for Paypal acc's or LoginS??

If it were the the buyers part of the site, you can bet it would have been fixed in no time. We're just contributors exchanging messages of no importance to the main business of making the folding greenery.  :(

Yes but they could very well be looking into accounts, paypal, this, that. Maybe thats the next onslught? one thing is for sure the security is crappy.
Yet we have to go through this captcha rubbish twice to get in. Lousy!

« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2015, 05:57 »
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Could it be that all this spam activity affected the weekend sales? I had my worst weekend in a long time, in fact zero sales on Sunday which I thought is not possible anymore..

« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2015, 07:28 »
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I don't think they have anything to do with sales. The forum is separate from the main site.
Besides, 0 Saturdays and even Sundays are the rule for me for a long while now.

« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2015, 07:57 »
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When SS "cuts" royalties I still get the same per download, when IS does it I get less per download.
There's a difference between your commission percentage and your royalty payment.
In that iStock example above, we keep the same amount per sub sold, but Getty pockets a lot more.
Yep in those subs plans you get to keep the same no matter what SS or iS charges, wooyay!  In the first example of the two royalty cuts SS changed it from a % to a set amount resulting in real dollars lost per sale.  From $4.35 to $2.85.
I am still getting $4.35, I dont see any $2.85 sods
The 2 image plans should be paying out under the OD column not the SOD column anymore since the change to the earnings schedule, if they are still paying out at the higher rate and in the SOD column that would be much better.  Maybe when they raised the prices back up they also changed the rate you're getting paid back to what it was before?  It's not very transparent at any rate.

« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2015, 14:16 »
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« Last Edit: October 05, 2015, 15:41 by Digital66 »


 

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