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Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #200 on: October 18, 2022, 08:00 »
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SS significantly down, but Alamy already up on last years total. AS should also smash last year. But I am one of those who doesn't give SS or IS new work and never sell on freemium sites etc.

Fingers crossed 2022 should be my BYE, before that 2021 was. Been at it since 2006.


« Reply #201 on: October 30, 2022, 13:55 »
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I uploaded three clean 40 megapixel renders today. All three rejected because of image noise.

There is no noise because they are renderings. But okay, if shutterstock doesn't want them, I don't care. They'll do fine somewhere else - I'm pretty sure!

« Reply #202 on: October 30, 2022, 18:00 »
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Pre 2020, SS video sales used to be a year on year great earner, but I suspect that like many other contributors I have been hit with a triple whammy of reduced revenue via the (1.) level based royalty model (2.) reduced overall number of sales per month (3.) subscription model. All combined has resulted in roughly a month on month loss of over 75% in revenue.

« Reply #203 on: October 30, 2022, 20:57 »
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if shutterstock doesn't want them, I don't care. They'll do fine somewhere else - I'm pretty sure!

It's funny to see the images rejected by SS, but being sold next day on Adobe ...

« Reply #204 on: October 31, 2022, 00:50 »
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if shutterstock doesn't want them, I don't care. They'll do fine somewhere else - I'm pretty sure!

It's funny to see the images rejected by SS, but being sold next day on Adobe ...

It happens in both directions. I have images rejected by SS but which sell on Adobe and images rejected by Adobe which sell on SS. I've stopped trying to look for any logic in the decision making.

« Reply #205 on: October 31, 2022, 03:23 »
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if shutterstock doesn't want them, I don't care. They'll do fine somewhere else - I'm pretty sure!

It's funny to see the images rejected by SS, but being sold next day on Adobe ...

It happens in both directions. I have images rejected by SS but which sell on Adobe and images rejected by Adobe which sell on SS. I've stopped trying to look for any logic in the decision making.

Adobe rejected two images for me in the period of one year. I have the feeling that the selection there is more thorough than with shutterstock.

« Reply #206 on: October 31, 2022, 04:22 »
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Pre 2020, SS video sales used to be a year on year great earner, but I suspect that like many other contributors I have been hit with a triple whammy of reduced revenue via the (1.) level based royalty model (2.) reduced overall number of sales per month (3.) subscription model. All combined has resulted in roughly a month on month loss of over 75% in revenue.
I do not agree. SS revenue has dropped dramatically since January of that year, when they drastically reduced the income percentage for authors. Yes, during the year this percentage increases, but this did not add income. I think there are 2 reasons:
1. By his actions, SS created a scandalous situation as a result of which buyers left for other stocks.
2. SS deceives the authors and takes their money.
On other stocks, income has not changed and has grown in some places, which means that the problem is only in SS. Then the leadership changed there, the policy changed, everything became cloudy and not transparent.

« Reply #207 on: October 31, 2022, 04:45 »
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1. By his actions, SS created a scandalous situation as a result of which buyers left for other stocks.


As if buyers care or are even aware of how much % the contributor gets.
Also, the January earing level reset isn't new. It already happened in January 2021. So buyers left, but then came back to leave again in January 22?  ???
« Last Edit: October 31, 2022, 07:44 by Her Ugliness »

« Reply #208 on: October 31, 2022, 07:22 »
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1. By his actions, SS created a scandalous situation as a result of which buyers left for other stocks.


As if buyers care or are even aware of how much % the contributor gets....
There was a big scandal on the shutterstock forum, it lasted for a long time until shutterstock closed the forum altogether. I remember the securities (shares) shutterstock because of this began to decline in price on the stock exchange. Authors in Google wrote bad comments, which also lowered the rating of shutterstock. Naturally, buyers saw that shutterstock began to become toxic, and began to leave. Moreover, many major authors withdrew their portfolios from sale, which also gave a signal to buyers to move to other stocks.
But I still think that such a strong drop in income would not have happened anyway, so I think that we are still being deceived in terms of money.

« Reply #209 on: October 31, 2022, 08:40 »
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Yeah, some buyers may have left SS lured by the free stuff dumped on the market by AS & Co.

Net gain for contributors = Zero (or less)

PS. It's very likely that 99% of the buyers are oblivious to what happens to contributors or don't care.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2022, 08:42 by Zero Talent »

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #210 on: October 31, 2022, 09:06 »
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Yeah, some buyers may have left SS lured by the free stuff dumped on the market by AS & Co.

Net gain for contributors = Zero (or less)

PS. It's very likely that 99% of the buyers are oblivious to what happens to contributors or don't care.
In my experience a lot of buyers even think the agencies own the images or employ the artists.

« Reply #211 on: October 31, 2022, 09:22 »
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Yeah, some buyers may have left SS lured by the free stuff dumped on the market by AS & Co.
The same subscription stocks were already long before this moment. But the profits of authors on shutterstock did not decrease. As far as I remember, a sharp decline in profits occurred in January 2021.

PS. It's very likely that 99% of the buyers are oblivious to what happens to contributors or don't care.
Then why did they leave, and why don't they buy like before? The answer in this case is only one, the stock steals money from the authors.

The fact is that if many authors left shutterstock, this also affected the attractiveness of the stock.
So there are 3 reasons:
1. Scandal, toxicity, drop in share price.
2. The departure of the authors from the drain.
3. Deception of the remaining authors.


« Reply #212 on: October 31, 2022, 12:22 »
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Then why did they leave, and why don't they buy like before?

Maybe you have to ask yourself why did they leave you and why don't they buy your content like before.


Downloads SS January 22: 647
Downloads SS October 22: 823

Can't say I see customers buying less.

« Reply #213 on: October 31, 2022, 15:55 »
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Her Ugliness, here in the subject everyone complains about the drop in income, except for you.  8)

« Reply #214 on: October 31, 2022, 16:11 »
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Shutterstock made me more money this month than Adobe, doesn't happen often, usually only when you get a $30 photo sale....SS $130 Adobe 121 and iStock $85, Alamy 40, all the rest were pennies......ref SS rejections I try to avoid uploading at weekends, AI rejections seem to be at full force on a sat or sun, so upload on a Monday and seems much better....

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« Reply #215 on: October 31, 2022, 22:24 »
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Her Ugliness, here in the subject everyone complains about the drop in income, except for you.  8)

A) People who don't have a drop in income are less likely to talk about it. People love to complain... not as much when it comes to honking their hooters.

B) They never said they didn't have a drop in income. You've just assumed that based on the data provided.

« Reply #216 on: November 01, 2022, 02:25 »
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SpaceStockFootage, how much has your income from video sales on SS decreased compared to 2020?


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« Reply #217 on: November 01, 2022, 02:50 »
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It's increased by about 25%

« Reply #218 on: November 01, 2022, 03:25 »
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For the first time ever I had more downloads on AS than on SS.

In terms of downloads, it was the second best month of the year for AS. And for shutterstock, the worst ever.

« Reply #219 on: November 01, 2022, 05:17 »
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With October now officially over, I can report that the number of downloads continues to disappoint. I'm down 18% compared to October 2021. This is clearly a trend but could well be due to general economic conditions rather than specific to SS.

However, in terms of revenue, October 2022 was my best month ever on SS so I'm not complaining about that.

AS was okay. An average month in many ways.

« Reply #220 on: November 01, 2022, 06:14 »
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Her Ugliness, here in the subject everyone complains about the drop in income, except for you.  8)

... and me  ;)

« Reply #221 on: November 01, 2022, 06:50 »
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With October now officially over, I can report that the number of downloads continues to disappoint. I'm down 18% compared to October 2021.
And compared to October 2020, what is the fall?

« Reply #222 on: November 01, 2022, 06:52 »
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It's increased by about 25%
I watch with interest people who haven't noticed the collapse in shutterstock revenue. I spoke with many stockers, incl. those who have an income of 10-15 thousand dollars a month. And everyone I spoke to confirmed a very strong decline in shutterstock revenue.

« Reply #223 on: November 01, 2022, 06:55 »
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With October now officially over, I can report that the number of downloads continues to disappoint. I'm down 18% compared to October 2021.
And compared to October 2020, what is the fall?

I'm better than October 2020 but it isn't really comparable as my portfolio is quite a lot bigger now than it was then.

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #224 on: November 01, 2022, 07:31 »
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It's increased by about 25%
I watch with interest people who haven't noticed the collapse in shutterstock revenue. I spoke with many stockers, incl. those who have an income of 10-15 thousand dollars a month. And everyone I spoke to confirmed a very strong decline in shutterstock revenue.
It is very hard to make comparisons. If someone has a small portfolio they can double or triple the size in a year, far outstripping any fall in income someone with a bigger portfolio will notice. That is why there is a wall people hit; when they cant upload enough images as a percentage of total portfolio in a given period to offset drops in RPI.


 

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