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This forum does not allow editing the post, so if I wrote the text with an error, I can't fix it. ...

yet another example of absolute ignorance!  the 'modify' option clearly marked

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 10, 2022, 18:12

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on November 10, 2022, 17:45
From your experience? No, that's not enough! Please tell me you're not basing "Usually the authors by March-June (someone like) already reach the normal percentage of deductions" purely based on when you 'reach the normal percentage of reductions'?

Surely you're getting the point by now... opinions and personal experiences are fine but don't present them as facts unless they are facts. 'I reach the normal percentage of reductions by around March to June'... fine. 'Usually the authors by March-June (someone like) already reach the normal percentage of deductions'... not fine, unless you have some stats that are not available to the rest of us.

I do not respond to flood. Therefore, I will not dignify you with an answer.

stoker2014 Posts:212 (2.986 per day)Useful Posts:+0/-0 is that what flood means?

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 09, 2022, 11:35

Quote from: Wilm on November 08, 2022, 20:13
But many of them - like me - have not uploaded anything because they are frustrated with the way shutterstock has dealt with the contributors. And for that they are currently being punished.

The more I upload videos to SS, the less my income. Probably the SS is punishing me for not loading only masterpieces. 
I think everything is simpler, or the SS is stealing my money, or the search algorithms there work in such a way that the SS manually decides which authors to promote and which ones to push.

same here... I have worse sales with 20000 of video footage, than with 2000 I had 8 years ago. Disgusting.

Don't put yourself down. There have been a lot of changes at the agencies over the years, to make things harder for contributors... so it's not all your fault that you're earning less.

It happened again.

Again I uploaded an image that contains the keyword Christmas. Again it was accepted and again it was pushed to the last place of my portfolio - position 1322 out of 1322 images.

It is because of the keyword Christmas. I deleted the image where this happened before, removed the keyword Christmas and uploaded it again. After that it was sorted normally.

I have no idea if this is a bug, but I suspect it is.

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 07:16
It happened again.

Again I uploaded an image that contains the keyword Christmas. Again it was accepted and again it was pushed to the last place of my portfolio - position 1322 out of 1322 images.

It is because of the keyword Christmas. I deleted the image where this happened before, removed the keyword Christmas and uploaded it again. After that it was sorted normally.

I have no idea if this is a bug, but I suspect it is.

yes, that IS strange, Wilm.

If it's related to what I wrote about here with regard to some agencies adding ranking points to seasonal content, then maybe SS made a mistake and put a minus instead of a plus ?

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/how-algorithms-work/msg581763/?topicseen#new

QuoteAlso, earlier this year, Roscoe started a thread (which unfortunately was taken down because of some unrelated fighting) that demonstrated how Indivstock openly shows how photos rank on searches with a plus/minus system. Things like how editorials lose considerable ranking points as they age, or how holidays and seasonal files have additional points to increase ranking, or if an item gets lots of views but doesn't sell, it loses ranking points. I can't remember them all, but it was very revealing.

I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 10:59
I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 23, 2022, 18:53

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 10:59
I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Maybe more important is not where the pictures end up in your port but where they end up in the search of a customer using keywords you have added.
Wilm, you might be shooting in your own foot if you leave out Christmas just because it ends up in the back of your port but at the same time clients will not find your picture anymore when they look for Christmas pictures. So maybe, don't focus that much on your port view?

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 19:01

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 23, 2022, 18:53

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 10:59
I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Maybe more important is not where the pictures end up in your port but where they end up in the search of a customer using keywords you have added.
Wilm, you might be shooting in your own foot if you leave out Christmas just because it ends up in the back of your port but at the same time clients will not find your picture anymore when they look for Christmas pictures. So maybe, don't focus that much on your port view?

The problem is that at least the first image I wrote about also showed up on the last page when I searched the database - not just in my portfolio. I haven't checked that with the new image, but assume it's the same.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 23, 2022, 18:53

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 10:59
I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Yes Pete, I had read the answer from Firn. But I don't know if that is the case with others - except Firn and me. Two people are not representative and can be a pure coincidence.

I was just about to check this out on shutterstock. But on my iPad the shutterstock search is not working right now. The search page is frozen.

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:08

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 19:01

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 23, 2022, 18:53

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 10:59
I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Maybe more important is not where the pictures end up in your port but where they end up in the search of a customer using keywords you have added.
Wilm, you might be shooting in your own foot if you leave out Christmas just because it ends up in the back of your port but at the same time clients will not find your picture anymore when they look for Christmas pictures. So maybe, don't focus that much on your port view?

The problem is that at least the first image I wrote about also showed up on the last page when I searched the database - not just in my portfolio. I haven't checked that with the new image, but assume it's the same.

Do remember, when checking, that search results are cached and might give you the same listing, even if the picture is actually somewhere else in the current search results. So clean your cache or check someone else's computer to do a proper search. This might prevent you from drawing incorrect conclusions.

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 20:23

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:08

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 19:01

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 23, 2022, 18:53

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 10:59
I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Maybe more important is not where the pictures end up in your port but where they end up in the search of a customer using keywords you have added.
Wilm, you might be shooting in your own foot if you leave out Christmas just because it ends up in the back of your port but at the same time clients will not find your picture anymore when they look for Christmas pictures. So maybe, don't focus that much on your port view?

The problem is that at least the first image I wrote about also showed up on the last page when I searched the database - not just in my portfolio. I haven't checked that with the new image, but assume it's the same.

Do remember, when checking, that search results are cached and might give you the same listing, even if the picture is actually somewhere else in the current search results. So clean your cache or check someone else's computer to do a proper search. This might prevent you from drawing incorrect conclusions.

I did that and checked it over several days before deleting the image. The result was always the same: last page.

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:27

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 20:23

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:08

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 19:01

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 23, 2022, 18:53

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 10:59
I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Maybe more important is not where the pictures end up in your port but where they end up in the search of a customer using keywords you have added.
Wilm, you might be shooting in your own foot if you leave out Christmas just because it ends up in the back of your port but at the same time clients will not find your picture anymore when they look for Christmas pictures. So maybe, don't focus that much on your port view?

The problem is that at least the first image I wrote about also showed up on the last page when I searched the database - not just in my portfolio. I haven't checked that with the new image, but assume it's the same.

Do remember, when checking, that search results are cached and might give you the same listing, even if the picture is actually somewhere else in the current search results. So clean your cache or check someone else's computer to do a proper search. This might prevent you from drawing incorrect conclusions.

I did that and checked it over several days before deleting the image. The result was always the same: last page.

Well, then I guess they just have it in for you

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 20:30

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:27

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 20:23

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:08

Quote from: SVH on November 23, 2022, 19:01

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 23, 2022, 18:53

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 10:59
I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Maybe more important is not where the pictures end up in your port but where they end up in the search of a customer using keywords you have added.
Wilm, you might be shooting in your own foot if you leave out Christmas just because it ends up in the back of your port but at the same time clients will not find your picture anymore when they look for Christmas pictures. So maybe, don't focus that much on your port view?

The problem is that at least the first image I wrote about also showed up on the last page when I searched the database - not just in my portfolio. I haven't checked that with the new image, but assume it's the same.

Do remember, when checking, that search results are cached and might give you the same listing, even if the picture is actually somewhere else in the current search results. So clean your cache or check someone else's computer to do a proper search. This might prevent you from drawing incorrect conclusions.

I did that and checked it over several days before deleting the image. The result was always the same: last page.

Well, then I guess they just have it in for you

Now the search works again and I could try it out. And you are right.

Unlike the image mentioned before, this new image is not on the last page in the search. I will leave it online for now and check how it is doing in the next few days.

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:10
Yes Pete, I had read the answer from Firn. But I don't know if that is the case with others - except Firn and me. Two people are not representative and can be a pure coincidence.

I guess you didn't recall that mine were also doing the same, old or new, everything with the keyword Christmas is at the end of Most Popular. How many people will it take, in different countries before you say it's not just some pure "coincidence"?

We need to ask more people to look at Catalog Manager > Most Poplar and see what's last on the last page. For me it's all my Christmas images.

So far the count on that is 3 for 3. 

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 24, 2022, 18:23

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:10
Yes Pete, I had read the answer from Firn. But I don't know if that is the case with others - except Firn and me. Two people are not representative and can be a pure coincidence.

I guess you didn't recall that mine were also doing the same, old or new, everything with the keyword Christmas is at the end of Most Popular. How many people will it take, in different countries before you say it's not just some pure "coincidence"?

We need to ask more people to look at Catalog Manager > Most Poplar and see what's last on the last page. For me it's all my Christmas images.

So far the count on that is 3 for 3. 

Yes, its mine too. I searched on my port on the keyword 'holiday' and there's no Christmas images on the first 9 pages, which is very rare.

As I said above, referring to the 'How Algorithms Work" thread, agencies have the ability to add or subtract ranking points with regard to certain keywords or attributes, and maybe SS's 'algorithm guy' has messed up and put a minus instead of a plus.

I too think its global, and at this time of the year, that's going to hurt them.


Refer here for how Indivstock manipulates their algorithm:

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/how-algorithms-work/msg581763/?topicseen#new

Pete and Annie,

again - just so we don't talk past each other: I don't care where an image is placed within my portfolio. But if it is ranked at the very back of the shutterstock search, then of course that's miserable. And so it was with the first image I wrote about.

The second one is ranked neatly in the search, although it can be found in the last place within my portfolio. Why that is, I don't know either. Completely inconsistent and not understandable.

And if you enter Christmas in the Shutterstock search, you get 16 million results after all - that will probably find every buyer something.

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 24, 2022, 18:23

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:10
Yes Pete, I had read the answer from Firn. But I don't know if that is the case with others - except Firn and me. Two people are not representative and can be a pure coincidence.

I guess you didn't recall that mine were also doing the same, old or new, everything with the keyword Christmas is at the end of Most Popular. How many people will it take, in different countries before you say it's not just some pure "coincidence"?

We need to ask more people to look at Catalog Manager > Most Poplar and see what's last on the last page. For me it's all my Christmas images.

So far the count on that is 3 for 3. 

Just looked. Don't have many Christmas images but the ones I have are on the last page.

Interesting, most of mine are on the last few pages as well.

my xmas images are all from European xmas markets:
417 images total, didn't  look beyond page 4 or 5

christmas market snack (don't look if hungry!)-- 1 on page 1, 2 on page 2
christmas market cologne      -- 2 on  page 1. 1 on page 2
christmas cologne - 2 on page 1 , 1 on page 2
christmas market cologne food -- 2 on page 1, 2 on page 2, 1 on page 3

different images on those pages

chrtistmas gegenbach  1st 5 images, 5 others (out of 27(!) almost all HDR)

Quote from: Firn on November 08, 2022, 15:25
Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port. I never bothered reporting the problem to Shutterstock, because I didn't expect any of their "expert contributors" to understand my problem anyways. They would probably have replied something like that how images a sorted in my port are a secret or something like this. But the other reason why I didn't bother reporting it is that it didn't seem to have an effect of the overal sorting in the whole Shutterstock database or my sales. My all time best seller on Shutterstock is a Christmas images, but it kept selling.
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine. I don't know whether it's specificially the keyword "Christmas". Might just as well be something like "december" or "winter" or any other of the keywords one would commonly use for Christmas images.

Firn, are these your puppies??

Found in an Australian supermarket (pics are from their website) selling Christmas Cards.

Quote from: Annie2022 on November 26, 2022, 02:41

Firn, are these your puppies??

Found in an Australian supermarket (pics are from their website) selling Christmas Cards.

Yes, they are! Thank you for sharing your finding with me!  (But what an unsightly crop of the photo. Would have looked much better if they had not cropped it that much)

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 24, 2022, 18:23

Quote from: Wilm on November 23, 2022, 20:10
Yes Pete, I had read the answer from Firn. But I don't know if that is the case with others - except Firn and me. Two people are not representative and can be a pure coincidence.

I guess you didn't recall that mine were also doing the same, old or new, everything with the keyword Christmas is at the end of Most Popular. How many people will it take, in different countries before you say it's not just some pure "coincidence"?

We need to ask more people to look at Catalog Manager > Most Poplar and see what's last on the last page. For me it's all my Christmas images.

So far the count on that is 3 for 3. 

Same for me, and also for a couple of Stock friends that checked at my request.

I wondered if the images were intentionally pushed back and would then be brought forward at an appropriate tine, but it seems somewhat late for that to happen.

However, if it is the same for everyone, as I suspect it is, then it possibly balances out when someone searches for Christmas?