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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2021, 00:21 »
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My worst start to the year since 2016.
Not only on SS but on all sites.
We'll see.....

I feel the same way. The only outlier is Adobe Stock.

I think some companies canceled their stock subscription plans at the end of the year to save money.

Many smaller companies are struggling right now, so let's hope for a semblance of normalcy later in the year.


« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2021, 12:38 »
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I am probably 2 weeks away from level 3. I hope January is a good month for sales #'s

« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2021, 09:42 »
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TOo much 15 cents and less this years. sell 110 photos in a day and make 30$ this is very bad. Adobe stock is great this years and istock seem to have lot of sale too but too much 3 cents loll

« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2021, 10:54 »
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So far this month SS is my number 5 agency.  Fading to irrelevance, unfortunately.

« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2021, 16:27 »
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The sad part is that I'm already at level 4 but doesn't seem to make a difference.

« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2021, 17:11 »
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97 photo sell today for a a big 35$ :(

« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2021, 17:35 »
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slow month so far over all agencies - ?? combination post-holiday, continuing economic downturn, covid ??

« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2021, 07:07 »
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Just got the "Youve climbed to a higher levelnice! " email from them  ::)

Keep submitting great work to continue climbingyoull achieve your next jump to level 3 once your content has been licensed 251 times.
Here are a few tips to help you get there faster.  :o

Just eff off Stan & Jon  >:(

« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2021, 07:15 »
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buyer are there the probleme is 45 sell on night and :   12.18$$$ i am level 4

H2O

« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2021, 07:20 »
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The reality is the wealthy are just stealing our money, it is the same old story down the ages, here in the UK we had the 17 & 18th century Mill Owners who would cut their workers wages, while claiming poverty and yet they all lived in large houses with servants.

Shutterstock are really no different, here is the quote from their original announcement last year:- 'We are making this adjustment in order to reflect changes in the market for creative content, help to create fair opportunities for all our contributors, and reward performance with greater earnings potential.' - Which is all just rhetoric.

I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall; until the capitalist system is changed to bar these so called 'investors' from enterprises that operate as collectives, which in my opinion is exactly what Microstock is, then the wealthy will continue to farm contributors.

I think Shutterstock is finished and we are likely to see a number of challengers in the forthcoming years, it's good to see Adobe selling at a decent price, which just puts the lie to Shutterstocks reason.






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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2021, 09:15 »
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Maybe so, what's the other one? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
 
History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes Mark Twain.

History repeats itself, " first as tragedy, second as farce " - Karl Marx (a slight misquote)

Good! Great minds...

I'd say you are more or less precisely correct.
Werner Heisenberg


    Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future
    Neils Bohr





There's a quote from someone, or found in the Bible to support any possible agenda or argument. (if you twist it hard enough)

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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2021, 12:55 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2021, 16:22 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"

A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.

These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.


Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors.

All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.

I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.

OM

« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2021, 21:18 »
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Welcome to the world of the corporate kleptocracy. Senior management at SS is now cracking open their bottles of vintage champagne in expectation of their realization of multi-million dollar options bonuses because Q1 profits just went through the roof...our loss is their gain (bigly)!

Methinks the biggest pain I can inflict on them (and myself) is to delete my top 30 best-sellers and keep the rest of non-sellers to foul-up their servers! With every 10 cent dl, I begrudge them the light in their eyes and dollars on their bank balance!
« Last Edit: January 16, 2021, 04:55 by OM »

H2O

« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2021, 10:34 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"

A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.

These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.


Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors.

All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.

I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.



You make the mistake that this is a vague generalized attack, it isn't, it is specific to the Microstock business in that shareholders are a cancer that eat away at our business in the name of capitalism using shareholder dividends, taking away our cash created by our hard work over many years, if it was capitalism, it would be about creating money, innovation and moving forward, what SS have done is legalised theft.

You may never have heard a word about screwing employees . . . when you have been on boards, but somethings don't need to be said, you sound more like an accountant than a creative, did you ever discuss giving your employees pay rises?

As for your assertion that shareholders are to blame, I never said this, I said "I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall;

The problem you have is a rigid mindset in thinking that the microstock contributor is a employee, they are not, they are 'contributors' and the stock agencies are the agents selling our work.

It is exactly the same relationship as an actor has, they represent us and our creative work, I don't see Tom Cruise's Agent bringing in outside shareholders to take three quarters or more of his earnings.

SS is a business for it's contributors, not for any old bod who happens to come along after the business has been built and start to take money off the people who have helped build the business.

These underhand tactics by SS and other Microstock agencies give Capitalism a bad name.


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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2021, 11:56 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"

A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.

These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.


Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors.

All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.

I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.



You make the mistake that this is a vague generalized attack, it isn't, it is specific to the Microstock business in that shareholders are a cancer that eat away at our business in the name of capitalism using shareholder dividends, taking away our cash created by our hard work over many years, if it was capitalism, it would be about creating money, innovation and moving forward, what SS have done is legalised theft.

You may never have heard a word about screwing employees . . . when you have been on boards, but somethings don't need to be said, you sound more like an accountant than a creative, did you ever discuss giving your employees pay rises?

As for your assertion that shareholders are to blame, I never said this, I said "I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall;

The problem you have is a rigid mindset in thinking that the microstock contributor is a employee, they are not, they are 'contributors' and the stock agencies are the agents selling our work.

It is exactly the same relationship as an actor has, they represent us and our creative work, I don't see Tom Cruise's Agent bringing in outside shareholders to take three quarters or more of his earnings.

SS is a business for it's contributors, not for any old bod who happens to come along after the business has been built and start to take money off the people who have helped build the business.

These underhand tactics by SS and other Microstock agencies give Capitalism a bad name.

Correct we are not employees. They aren't our agents either. Yes, I'd like to get paid a fair return for my work. Correct, I don't think a CEO is worth $4.7 million either. Unless they can make the company $20 million more under their leadership of course.

You'll have to read the board meeting minutes if you are going to say they have targeted us because of shareholder demands or officers designing changes to take away income from artists as individuals. I haven't so I make no claim except from past experience. You need to look for facts and come back with some proof or evidence to support your allegations, not just, generalized attacks.

I think all of us are ahead of the 4th quarter report that might show us how they are doing. I don't own SSTK and I don't have insider knowledge. I'm waiting to see what comes out.

If you were the company owner, how long would you keep paying people over 300% of what you earned on many large package downloads? Or on others, more than you make. What kind of business sense does it take to understand you can't operate at a loss, and make a profit?


H2O

« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2021, 12:37 »
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I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall

You realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?

Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"

A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.

These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.


Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors.

All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.

I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.



You make the mistake that this is a vague generalized attack, it isn't, it is specific to the Microstock business in that shareholders are a cancer that eat away at our business in the name of capitalism using shareholder dividends, taking away our cash created by our hard work over many years, if it was capitalism, it would be about creating money, innovation and moving forward, what SS have done is legalised theft.

You may never have heard a word about screwing employees . . . when you have been on boards, but somethings don't need to be said, you sound more like an accountant than a creative, did you ever discuss giving your employees pay rises?

As for your assertion that shareholders are to blame, I never said this, I said "I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall;

The problem you have is a rigid mindset in thinking that the microstock contributor is a employee, they are not, they are 'contributors' and the stock agencies are the agents selling our work.

It is exactly the same relationship as an actor has, they represent us and our creative work, I don't see Tom Cruise's Agent bringing in outside shareholders to take three quarters or more of his earnings.

SS is a business for it's contributors, not for any old bod who happens to come along after the business has been built and start to take money off the people who have helped build the business.

These underhand tactics by SS and other Microstock agencies give Capitalism a bad name.

Correct we are not employees. They aren't our agents either. Yes, I'd like to get paid a fair return for my work. Correct, I don't think a CEO is worth $4.7 million either. Unless they can make the company $20 million more under their leadership of course.

You'll have to read the board meeting minutes if you are going to say they have targeted us because of shareholder demands or officers designing changes to take away income from artists as individuals. I haven't so I make no claim except from past experience. You need to look for facts and come back with some proof or evidence to support your allegations, not just, generalized attacks.

I think all of us are ahead of the 4th quarter report that might show us how they are doing. I don't own SSTK and I don't have insider knowledge. I'm waiting to see what comes out.

If you were the company owner, how long would you keep paying people over 300% of what you earned on many large package downloads? Or on others, more than you make. What kind of business sense does it take to understand you can't operate at a loss, and make a profit?


In my opinion they are our Agents, just because you assert they arent doesnt make it so, where is your evidence to prove otherwise? a employee has, certain rights like overtime, holiday, sick pay etc. .

As for reading board minutes, this maybe because you are an accountant, creatives dont read minutes.

If I was a company owner I would never have go into the position of paying more than something costs, and I never did when I was running a business, if SS have been doing this then more fool them, but they still seem to have been making money overall, which of course is what it is about, maybe they consider these packages to be lose leaders.

If they are making a loss, then why bring in shareholders, this would only compound the loss?

Your reasoning doesnt make sense.





« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2021, 13:44 »
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Correct we are not employees. They aren't our agents either. Yes, I'd like to get paid a fair return for my work. Correct, I don't think a CEO is worth $4.7 million either. Unless they can make the company $20 million more under their leadership of course.

You'll have to read the board meeting minutes if you are going to say they have targeted us because of shareholder demands or officers designing changes to take away income from artists as individuals. I haven't so I make no claim except from past experience. You need to look for facts and come back with some proof or evidence to support your allegations, not just, generalized attacks.

I think all of us are ahead of the 4th quarter report that might show us how they are doing. I don't own SSTK and I don't have insider knowledge. I'm waiting to see what comes out.

If you were the company owner, how long would you keep paying people over 300% of what you earned on many large package downloads? Or on others, more than you make. What kind of business sense does it take to understand you can't operate at a loss, and make a profit?

I agree with a lot of your insights. SS was never in the business of making contributors money - they were and are only in the business of making themselves money. That's their business making money. The fact that we make (OR MADE) money along the way was irrelevant to SS. 

I also think that if Subs packages aren't profitable for them they should either not sell sub packages or raise the price to a level that does make them money.

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2021, 14:12 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!

H2O

« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2021, 16:50 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!

Absolutely spot on comment.

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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2021, 19:36 »
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oh I couldn't work out why my earnings were so low this month, Level 1. bah.

« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2021, 00:34 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!
You have a contract you agreed for all the micro agencies but you don't understand what that said? https://submit.shutterstock.com/legal/terms#:~:text=Terms%20of%20Service%20Shutterstock,%20Inc.,%20and,%20where%20the,content%20from%20the%20Shutterstock%20websites%20(collectively,%20%22Shutterstock%20Websites%22).

The terms say #18 The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors. There is no relationship of partnership, joint venture, employment, franchise or agency created hereby between the parties. You're wrong.

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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2021, 06:24 »
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They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money!  when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.
Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!
You have a contract you agreed for all the micro agencies but you don't understand what that said? https://submit.shutterstock.com/legal/terms#:~:text=Terms%20of%20Service%20Shutterstock,%20Inc.,%20and,%20where%20the,content%20from%20the%20Shutterstock%20websites%20(collectively,%20%22Shutterstock%20Websites%22).

The terms say #18 The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors. There is no relationship of partnership, joint venture, employment, franchise or agency created hereby between the parties. You're wrong.

After 25 years in the stock-photography business and assignment photography! YES I think I understand what it means! ;)

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« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2021, 06:39 »
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So you understand that they're not your agent, as stated in the Shutterstock legal terms, but you're also stating that they are in fact your agent? 25 years or not... it would appear you're slightly confused.

H2O

« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2021, 08:38 »
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So you understand that they're not your agent, as stated in the Shutterstock legal terms, but you're also stating that they are in fact your agent? 25 years or not... it would appear you're slightly confused.


In a contract or not, it is implied that they are an Agent, plus their business model is that of an Agent.

'#18 The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors' - A contractor by definition, is someone asked to do something by someone else. You are contracted to undertake work, you cannot sign up to be 'contracted', as this implies, it simply doesn't make sense; SS don't specifically ask people to undertake work.

This is a ambiguous part of their so called 'contract'. I guess it shows that those as SS are not so clever and basically all the artists who have signed up, are just that artists.

The reality is like so many business, the people at the top are crooks, this is really what it comes down to.




 

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