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My worst start to the year since 2016.Not only on SS but on all sites.We'll see.....
Quote from: Uncle Pete on January 12, 2021, 15:34 Maybe so, what's the other one? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes Mark Twain.History repeats itself, " first as tragedy, second as farce " - Karl Marx (a slight misquote)
Maybe so, what's the other one? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall
Quote from: H2O on January 15, 2021, 07:20I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wallYou realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?
Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on January 15, 2021, 12:55Quote from: H2O on January 15, 2021, 07:20I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wallYou realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors. All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.
Quote from: Uncle Pete on January 15, 2021, 16:22Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on January 15, 2021, 12:55Quote from: H2O on January 15, 2021, 07:20I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wallYou realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors. All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.You make the mistake that this is a vague generalized attack, it isn't, it is specific to the Microstock business in that shareholders are a cancer that eat away at our business in the name of capitalism using shareholder dividends, taking away our cash created by our hard work over many years, if it was capitalism, it would be about creating money, innovation and moving forward, what SS have done is legalised theft.You may never have heard a word about screwing employees . . . when you have been on boards, but somethings don't need to be said, you sound more like an accountant than a creative, did you ever discuss giving your employees pay rises?As for your assertion that shareholders are to blame, I never said this, I said "I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall;The problem you have is a rigid mindset in thinking that the microstock contributor is a employee, they are not, they are 'contributors' and the stock agencies are the agents selling our work.It is exactly the same relationship as an actor has, they represent us and our creative work, I don't see Tom Cruise's Agent bringing in outside shareholders to take three quarters or more of his earnings.SS is a business for it's contributors, not for any old bod who happens to come along after the business has been built and start to take money off the people who have helped build the business.These underhand tactics by SS and other Microstock agencies give Capitalism a bad name.
Quote from: H2O on January 16, 2021, 10:34Quote from: Uncle Pete on January 15, 2021, 16:22Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on January 15, 2021, 12:55Quote from: H2O on January 15, 2021, 07:20I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wallYou realise a few years after they bought outside shareholders on board, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall?Told you so: "The writing is on the wall"A bizarre and somewhat disturbing passage happens mid-way through the book of Daniel. During a party, thrown by the grandson of King Nebuchadnezzar, a large hand appears and inscribes four words on the wall.These four words written on the wall declare the end of the Babylonian Empire and the oncoming invasion from the Medo-Persians that very night.Another detail for those who want to start up with blaming the shareholders, the boards and the fact that SS is a corporation. Which means in all cases a business, designed to make money for owners and investors. All states require that corporations form a board of directors elected by shareholders, hold at least one annual meeting, and maintain meeting minutes that document topics discussed and actions taken.I'm not sure how public these minutes are? I don't care. But someone could do more than make claims, or vague generalized attacks, and go see what actually happens at these meetings. I've been on boards, they are terribly boring and mostly about legal matters, budgets, or business functions, I've never heard a word about how to screw employees. Just costs, rent, expenses, income and how the investments of the company and the future are progressing.You make the mistake that this is a vague generalized attack, it isn't, it is specific to the Microstock business in that shareholders are a cancer that eat away at our business in the name of capitalism using shareholder dividends, taking away our cash created by our hard work over many years, if it was capitalism, it would be about creating money, innovation and moving forward, what SS have done is legalised theft.You may never have heard a word about screwing employees . . . when you have been on boards, but somethings don't need to be said, you sound more like an accountant than a creative, did you ever discuss giving your employees pay rises?As for your assertion that shareholders are to blame, I never said this, I said "I realised a few years back, that as soon as they bought outside shareholders on board, the writing was on the wall;The problem you have is a rigid mindset in thinking that the microstock contributor is a employee, they are not, they are 'contributors' and the stock agencies are the agents selling our work.It is exactly the same relationship as an actor has, they represent us and our creative work, I don't see Tom Cruise's Agent bringing in outside shareholders to take three quarters or more of his earnings.SS is a business for it's contributors, not for any old bod who happens to come along after the business has been built and start to take money off the people who have helped build the business.These underhand tactics by SS and other Microstock agencies give Capitalism a bad name.Correct we are not employees. They aren't our agents either. Yes, I'd like to get paid a fair return for my work. Correct, I don't think a CEO is worth $4.7 million either. Unless they can make the company $20 million more under their leadership of course.You'll have to read the board meeting minutes if you are going to say they have targeted us because of shareholder demands or officers designing changes to take away income from artists as individuals. I haven't so I make no claim except from past experience. You need to look for facts and come back with some proof or evidence to support your allegations, not just, generalized attacks.I think all of us are ahead of the 4th quarter report that might show us how they are doing. I don't own SSTK and I don't have insider knowledge. I'm waiting to see what comes out.If you were the company owner, how long would you keep paying people over 300% of what you earned on many large package downloads? Or on others, more than you make. What kind of business sense does it take to understand you can't operate at a loss, and make a profit?
Correct we are not employees. They aren't our agents either. Yes, I'd like to get paid a fair return for my work. Correct, I don't think a CEO is worth $4.7 million either. Unless they can make the company $20 million more under their leadership of course.You'll have to read the board meeting minutes if you are going to say they have targeted us because of shareholder demands or officers designing changes to take away income from artists as individuals. I haven't so I make no claim except from past experience. You need to look for facts and come back with some proof or evidence to support your allegations, not just, generalized attacks.I think all of us are ahead of the 4th quarter report that might show us how they are doing. I don't own SSTK and I don't have insider knowledge. I'm waiting to see what comes out.If you were the company owner, how long would you keep paying people over 300% of what you earned on many large package downloads? Or on others, more than you make. What kind of business sense does it take to understand you can't operate at a loss, and make a profit?
They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money! when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!
Quote from: Horizon on January 16, 2021, 14:12They are in fact our appointed agent! they use our assets in order to make money! when SS declares they have 200 million assets ( images), they don't really since these 200 million assets are our assets our pictures.Had SS been an old style stock-agency our pics would have been in the form of trannies something you could physically touch and therefore a signed agency-contract and everything. Its not though its all digital and can be wiped out in seconds!..SS is playing on this one all the way and treat us like complete noobs!You have a contract you agreed for all the micro agencies but you don't understand what that said? https://submit.shutterstock.com/legal/terms#:~:text=Terms%20of%20Service%20Shutterstock,%20Inc.,%20and,%20where%20the,content%20from%20the%20Shutterstock%20websites%20(collectively,%20%22Shutterstock%20Websites%22).The terms say #18 The relationship of the parties is that of independent contractors. There is no relationship of partnership, joint venture, employment, franchise or agency created hereby between the parties. You're wrong.
So you understand that they're not your agent, as stated in the Shutterstock legal terms, but you're also stating that they are in fact your agent? 25 years or not... it would appear you're slightly confused.