Post by: Ronib on June 23, 2019, 16:55
Anyone else?
Post by: dpimborough on June 23, 2019, 17:18
If nothing big comes up in this last week it'll be my worst revenue since Christmas 2017 and it ain't Christmas :(
Post by: qunamax on June 23, 2019, 18:28
Post by: pancaketom on June 23, 2019, 20:24
Post by: Ronib on June 23, 2019, 22:02
Catastrophic for me too, if nothing happens in the next week I'll be down 50% from May.Exact like my situation
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on June 24, 2019, 00:17
Post by: MRommens on June 24, 2019, 01:06
Bad for my motivation to upload new images
Post by: Artist on June 25, 2019, 05:53
Best month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I believe they are, I am seeing a very bad month here.
Congrats to you.
Post by: qunamax on June 25, 2019, 07:17
Best month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I believe they are, I am seeing a very bad month here.
Congrats to you.
Really seems like it, today it seems back to normal again (my best sellers selling), while during the poor period of the month I was getting some sales of images that mostly never sold, like someone was digging them up from their pit.
Post by: jonbull on June 25, 2019, 08:56
i hope they eliminate popular tabs and change with relevant or choose editorial because it's clear that nobody with a healthy mind will never look for images through new tabs due to the zillions of snapshot poorly made by thousand of amateur.
despite this in line with last year, but i'm not surprised...my shutter stock earning in the last three years are practically a straight line with a difference in the first semester of 20 dollar and a bunch of download. i can predict july and august right from now.
stock instead sells' only new files but their red is a joke so far less than ss, as is in the middle.
Post by: trucic on June 25, 2019, 10:08
Post by: DiscreetDuck on June 25, 2019, 14:58
It looks like june is going to be my worst month on shutterstock and i cant understand why?I personnally do the maths when the month is finished. And I never complain whatever happens.
Anyone else?
Post by: Ozone on June 25, 2019, 17:12
I shoot video.
Post by: Mrblues101 on June 25, 2019, 21:06
Today i reach 80% of last month incoming, so i think i will reach about same ammount.
Post by: Pauws99 on June 26, 2019, 01:54
I either seem to sell my "old reliables" or 5 year old stuff that's never sold my new content almost never sells. Looking like a mediocre though not disastrous month.Best month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I believe they are, I am seeing a very bad month here.
Congrats to you.
Really seems like it, today it seems back to normal again (my best sellers selling), while during the poor period of the month I was getting some sales of images that mostly never sold, like someone was digging them up from their pit.
Post by: jonbull on June 26, 2019, 06:54
Post by: jonbull on June 26, 2019, 07:42
how is this possible? i mean all agency i work for have a random path a roller coaster similar path...ss has a straight line since three years in practice.
Post by: angelawaye on June 26, 2019, 08:08
Post by: jonbull on June 26, 2019, 08:15
Post by: wds on June 26, 2019, 08:39
microstock in my opinion apart some rare cases of factory or people who live in third world country or very poor country compared to western hemisphere, is unfortunately not more a job to earn a living. this is the sad truth. when you have to compete with people who live in kiev or belagreade, where a shooting cost a bunch dollar and the living cost are one tenth is not possible to compete. it's like the factory who close the door in western country when china become the production at a level of cost a fraction of theirs. simply not possible to survive now and even less in 2 3 years, time to move to another occupation.
You make excellent points. There are still US based contributors who make a good living at it. They are exceptional in terms of the quality and quantity of output. However, I do wonder if even some of them wouldn't agree with you if they had to start from scratch in today's environment. One of the toughest things about it is the trend line. It is hard to be enthusiastic with a continuing downward trend.
Post by: jonbull on June 26, 2019, 08:52
microstock in my opinion apart some rare cases of factory or people who live in third world country or very poor country compared to western hemisphere, is unfortunately not more a job to earn a living. this is the sad truth. when you have to compete with people who live in kiev or belagreade, where a shooting cost a bunch dollar and the living cost are one tenth is not possible to compete. it's like the factory who close the door in western country when china become the production at a level of cost a fraction of theirs. simply not possible to survive now and even less in 2 3 years, time to move to another occupation.
You make excellent points. There are still US based contributors who make a good living at it. They are exceptional in terms of the quality and quantity of output. However, I do wonder if even some of them wouldn't agree with you if they had to start from scratch in today's environment. One of the toughest things about it is the trend line. It is hard to be enthusiastic with a continuing downward trend.
sure some earn good money but most fo them are in downward trend i know some...you can survive only producing at cheap cost and working like a donkey, producing 10000 good images month in a factory environment.....if most of the factory are in russia and ukriane and serbia there is a motivation? low cheap cost of life and production.
in addiction in those country model are everywhere, where i live to find good model you need go to an agency who not ask you less than 300 euro shooting. when you need 4 5 for group shot, and you pay location and all , good luck.
i'm still growing this year but much less i have expected after working so hard in last two year. seems i'm stucked in the middle of nowhere.
in addiction soon most if not all exclusive of stock, we are talking about 10 20 millions file, will ditch their status because the return per download is simply falling down in stock, and stock is raising the number of download to gain status and more earning,...so another 20 millions of very good file in ss as alamy.
and we are not considering the other billions of images of people who work with instagram or freelancing, who never considered micro stock but soon due to a falling down of earning in freelancing job. and we talk about very good artist, mostly better than the medium micro stocker. still video is good but even it has limited time. a lot of factory have stopped producing photos and concentrate on video, but this will cause a collapse of video sales.
and i not even considering the fact that ss has a negative growth in the last year, an following their trend they will probably lose money in next quarter...so they need to save somewhere, and i know where they take money, advertising images with lower ranking to pay less revenue.
all pin all the future is bright
Post by: jonbull on June 26, 2019, 08:54
Post by: qunamax on June 26, 2019, 10:19
Don't want to sound paranoid, it's actually funny.
Post by: MysteryShot on June 26, 2019, 10:49
Post by: fotoroad on June 26, 2019, 18:40
Post by: SuperPhoto on June 26, 2019, 22:15
Post by: Ronib on June 27, 2019, 01:04
...well then i am moving from Austria to Serbia, i know their food is good and cheap :)
Post by: jonbull on June 27, 2019, 05:51
...well then i am moving from Austria to Serbia, i know their food is good and cheap :)
You should. In belgrade you can find hubdred of modela already trained in stock... therr is also a website where all of them are advertised and you can book them. Sure in september i will move there.
If you searvh for lifestyle content you will recognize them in many portfolio, the lost famous has red hair and beard nd is probably present in hundreds of thousand of images. The only drawbacks is the model are always the same so the faces are not very fresh in stock.
Even yuri archra moved to cape town city that i know moatly cause denmark
Is probably one of the most expensive country, not obly for this cape has weather model industry and superbnlocation.
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 27, 2019, 06:46
It is hard to be enthusiastic with a continuing downward trend.
I know! I removed everything except the two very accurate points.
It's hard to be motivated in light of the downward trend. What makes me wonder is, why does anyone think anything will change after most of us have been watching this slide for seven years now? I was relatively happy when sales stayed flat, even with uploading new files. Now that phase has passed and it's getting worse.
I didn't think things could get any worse. Once again, I was wrong. :(
Post by: SuperPhoto on June 27, 2019, 09:07
Best month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I'm curious - pretty much over the last year whenever someone has talked about a downward trend in stock - you have always piped up "OH BEST MONTH EVER FOR ME!"... is your small portfolio of video stock really always increasing like that? if so, I'm rather impressed it's doing that well, and that consistently...
Post by: PinHead on June 27, 2019, 10:10
Best month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I'm curious - pretty much over the last year whenever someone has talked about a downward trend in stock - you have always piped up "OH BEST MONTH EVER FOR ME!"... is your small portfolio of video stock really always increasing like that? if so, I'm rather impressed it's doing that well, and that consistently...
SpaceStockFootage produce animations is a big difference ... matter less quantity, but quality. 10% of my portfolio r animations and yes i have an increase in "animation" sales ...a good month for me :P
Post by: SuperPhoto on June 27, 2019, 10:46
Best month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I'm curious - pretty much over the last year whenever someone has talked about a downward trend in stock - you have always piped up "OH BEST MONTH EVER FOR ME!"... is your small portfolio of video stock really always increasing like that? if so, I'm rather impressed it's doing that well, and that consistently...
SpaceStockFootage produce animations is a big difference ... matter less quantity, but quality. 10% of my portfolio r animations and yes i have an increase in "animation" sales ...a good month for me :P
Strange. I have a good set of animations too, and those don't seem to sell too much. Wondering if it is because my portfolio is primarily 'stock' (so when people 'browse' a portfolio, they don't easily find the other animations?)
Post by: qunamax on June 27, 2019, 10:54
...well then i am moving from Austria to Serbia, i know their food is good and cheap :)
If you can tolerate dictatorship, you are welcome, thou not sure about the cheap part, rent is cheap thou.
Post by: suz7 on June 27, 2019, 11:19
Best month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I'm curious - pretty much over the last year whenever someone has talked about a downward trend in stock - you have always piped up "OH BEST MONTH EVER FOR ME!"... is your small portfolio of video stock really always increasing like that? if so, I'm rather impressed it's doing that well, and that consistently...
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Spacestockfootage has amazing animations - this is the reason his portfolio does so well
Post by: temis on June 27, 2019, 13:12
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on June 27, 2019, 15:01
Best month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I'm curious - pretty much over the last year whenever someone has talked about a downward trend in stock - you have always piped up "OH BEST MONTH EVER FOR ME!"... is your small portfolio of video stock really always increasing like that? if so, I'm rather impressed it's doing that well, and that consistently...
Always had massive swings at Shutterstock. On the whole (across all agencies), my earnings have been increasing since I started, many moons ago (uploaded my first clip in 2009 I think - only started putting real effort into it in 2014), but they have started to plateau a bit in 2019. At this rate I'll make about the same as I did in 2018. I guess it's to be expected as I haven't been putting as much effort in as I should if I want to see sales continue to increase. I guess I'd better get some work done!
This month is about 10% higher than my second best month back in January...
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on June 27, 2019, 15:03
[2quote author=SuperPhoto link=topic=34361.msg534522#msg534522 date=1561644432]Spacestockfootage has amazing animations - this is the reason his portfolio does so wellBest month ever for me. They must have been playing with the search engine.
I'm curious - pretty much over the last year whenever someone has talked about a downward trend in stock - you have always piped up "OH BEST MONTH EVER FOR ME!"... is your small portfolio of video stock really always increasing like that? if so, I'm rather impressed it's doing that well, and that consistently...
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Thanks! :D
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on June 27, 2019, 15:29
Post by: PhotoBomb on June 27, 2019, 16:25
Post by: trucic on June 28, 2019, 00:39
Post by: PZF on June 28, 2019, 01:00
:(
Post by: jonbull on June 28, 2019, 06:25
Post by: jonbull on June 28, 2019, 06:28
Unfortunately, SS is just about the only game left in town.....despite everything
:(
i agree despite all is the only agency in my opinion who still have some possibilities. they would raise the control of sales level for contributor and most of all clean their portfolio eliminating all those crap photos and useless contributor. i would accept 32 cent per photo minimum if they would do this, because it's clear that the only reason to accept new crap iOS to sale files with a royalty of 25 cent instead of 38. but i agree, as and is not even manage to give me one third of what ss makes this month. the problem is that 10 million images added every month are unsustainable. i'm still surprised that people keep uploading so much.
Post by: Video-StockOrg on June 29, 2019, 04:13
Big difference.
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 29, 2019, 10:28
What's the worst month of the year. Just one please.
And on average what's the best month of the year?
From my data over six years, the year looks like a sine wave. It rises from January to February, starts a long decline to June, then climbs until September and October, then declines again until January.
So I'd say my worst months are typically January and June, and my best September or October.
and
Hi guys,
is anyone else facing a dramatic drop in sales?
last week things were normal, this week however, SS sales went down almost -40% (I don't think it's June!)
any idea ??? ?
Thanks..
Yes, 50% down for a whole June comapred to May. Not normal. I am 3500+ port with regular uploading. This is not normal.
Or
2014 (locked thread) from someone who does diligent statistics and tracking: Stockmarketer
Thought I was having a decent start to June on SS, but this thread made me go and check my numbers from the first three days of June 2013.
first Sunday in June '14 vs '13: dls down 35%
first Monday in June '14 vs '13: dls down 32%
first Tuesday in June '14 vs '13: on track to be down about 30%
And my port size is about 35% higher than this time last year.
Depressing.
It's June and it seems every year, things get worse than ever for many people, in June and January.
Post by: cascoly on June 29, 2019, 12:53
2009 18% increase over previous year
2010 11%
2011 26%
2012 25%
2013 4%
2014 -3%
2015 20%
2016 4%
2017 16%
2018 -17%
2019 -18% extrapolated
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 30, 2019, 13:02
total stock income over the last decade:
2009 18% increase over previous year
2010 11%
2011 26%
2012 25%
2013 4%
2014 -3%
2015 20%
2016 4%
2017 16%
2018 -17%
2019 -18% extrapolated
Have anything on June compared to the rest of the year or the rest of the Junes?
Change from the previous year, so 20% up over a -3 which was after a 4% slow year, is almost the same? 2018 sure was terrible, I say you did a better job than many, at holding up against the downward income trend. Nice work.
I searched for the poll, "What's Your Worth Month of the year. I'm pretty sure that June was the biggest loser, followed by January. But that was many years ago, things change.
Post by: trucic on June 30, 2019, 23:56
Post by: dpimborough on July 01, 2019, 02:34
However looking back over the last few years its either June or July that are crap months it seems to alternate between either month.
Only Xmas is usually as bad
Post by: panicAttack on July 01, 2019, 02:55
Post by: Brightontl on July 01, 2019, 03:48
But, as often happens in these situations, nothing in the last week, so it ended up pretty mehhh. Not too bad, but pretty disappointing
Post by: zebra007 on July 01, 2019, 04:02
Post by: ArenaCreative on July 01, 2019, 06:43
Then $20 less each month, from Feb, to March, to April, to May, to June.
I haven't submitted anything in the last 4 years. This is to be expected, but I might start uploading some backlog stuff here and there just to see what happens. I'll most likely be working for 50 cents an hour... it I tall up my earning by the end of 2020. ::)
Remember too that it's the summer slow-down. Folks go on vacation, and whatnot. eCommerce, eBay, and Amazon sales are hurting too right now.
Post by: wds on July 01, 2019, 08:08
Post by: MRommens on July 01, 2019, 12:53
If I look to the poll results, it going down, the last months
AS also
Not so nice
My target was building a port (next year > 1000 images and some videos)
This is not good for my motivation
I think, it is time for a little (stock) break :)
Post by: gnirtS on July 01, 2019, 19:25
Earnings for me have been generally going up the last 12 months but from my graph its fairly clear to see video is where the effort/reward earnings seems to lie more and more.
In this 12 month period my image portfolio tripled in size,my video increase by 30% in size.
Post by: derby on July 02, 2019, 03:03
June ended up a BME due to strong video sales.
Exactly the same for me. BME in 5 years
Post by: Artist on July 02, 2019, 03:33
June ended up a BME due to strong video sales.
Exactly the same for me. BME in 5 years
I strongly believe that they have altered the algorithm, June was worst for me and day one of July super bad, but congratulations to you guys.
Waiting for the fortune loop to come over again.
Post by: Pauws99 on July 02, 2019, 03:37
I think they are pretty much constantly tinkering with the Algorithm sometimes it hits hard on some.June ended up a BME due to strong video sales.
Exactly the same for me. BME in 5 years
I strongly believe that they have altered the algorithm, June was worst for me and day one of July super bad, but congratulations to you guys.
Waiting for the fortune loop to come over again.
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 02, 2019, 07:51
I think they are pretty much constantly tinkering with the Algorithm sometimes it hits hard on some.June ended up a BME due to strong video sales.
Exactly the same for me. BME in 5 years
I strongly believe that they have altered the algorithm, June was worst for me and day one of July super bad, but congratulations to you guys.
Waiting for the fortune loop to come over again.
So people with the letters A or P are marked down and people with the letters D or G are placed higher? ;D :o
Here's my opinion. Sometimes buyers need certain materials, sometimes they need other materials. June is generally a crappy month, but sometimes, some people will get higher sales, if they have something a buyer wants and needs. The whole site doesn't have to be manipulated to have ups and downs by seasons, or artists offerings. It's just what it is?
Back to the old days, when "everyone is lower in the search this month, they must have changed something!" Well everyone can't be lower, for mine to go back a page, something has to go forward a page. If they are playing with the algorithm, some would benefit and some would lose.
I just checked my test searches, for my work, and I'm still on page one where I was for some and page 14 where that one was and always has been. Everything else is just the same as it was... and has been for going on five years now. No Change in the search. Unless of course only some people get changed? I've been watching for five years, and my images may move a little up or down, but never as bad as some folks who say they were page one and are now unable to find their work or page 12 or something. That's impossible to explain and happened around 2012 when there actually was a huge change in the way the search ranked our works.
ps yes my June was horrible compared to other months, and June 2019 was better than every other June since I started, except 2018 (which had an EL). But 2019 is hardly notable, as it's roughly only $2-3 better than 2017, 2016 or 2015. In other words, my stinky Junes are about the same, year after year. :(
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on July 02, 2019, 08:26
Post by: trucic on July 02, 2019, 08:52
Post by: MRommens on July 02, 2019, 13:02
Post by: pancaketom on July 02, 2019, 13:55
Post by: rinderart on July 03, 2019, 20:14
Post by: dpimborough on July 05, 2019, 01:03
Post by: Artist on July 22, 2019, 07:13
Post by: Steveball on July 22, 2019, 09:01
Post by: jonbull on July 22, 2019, 09:51
Agree. Last 6 Months. terrible. 7000 Images.I feel Like laughing. Thats about all I can do.
7000 images are nothing today. or yu have a super niche and or a superb lifestyle portfolio...or you have 50k generalist images with normal content....with 7000 images like yours the results will be always worst month after month.it's not 2008 anymore....so stop complaining and star producing...maybe you will see the results will be better.
Post by: HughStoneIan on July 22, 2019, 12:30
So far July is even worse than that.
Post by: rinderart on July 22, 2019, 23:23
Agree. Last 6 Months. terrible. 7000 Images.I feel Like laughing. Thats about all I can do.
7000 images are nothing today. or yu have a super niche and or a superb lifestyle portfolio...or you have 50k generalist images with normal content....with 7000 images like yours the results will be always worst month after month.it's not 2008 anymore....so stop complaining and star producing...maybe you will see the results will be better.
How about a link to your port Man??.....
Post by: cascoly on July 23, 2019, 01:58
Poor month, but even though downloads were down, what really hurt was a lack of "high dollar" sales....mostly all little amounts.
I think that's the main reason - high dollar sales have been down for canva, adobe and SS over the last year - an algorithm change wouldn't explain that for all 3 - subscriptions remain more or less the same.
Post by: Chichikov on July 23, 2019, 02:16
Guillermo del Toro could make a film about it!
Post by: obj owl on July 23, 2019, 11:46
Poor month, but even though downloads were down, what really hurt was a lack of "high dollar" sales....mostly all little amounts.
I think that's the main reason - high dollar sales have been down for canva, adobe and SS over the last year - an algorithm change wouldn't explain that for all 3 - subscriptions remain more or less the same.
They all have enterprise teams who look after not only the top customers, but also the top earners, that's where the higher dollar sales are going. Premium is where the dollars have gone.
Post by: BigBubba on July 23, 2019, 12:47
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Post by: angelawaye on July 23, 2019, 14:58
The economy is going so well but this year has been just awful for me. I never thought I would have to cancel my health insurance.
Post by: Fairplay on July 24, 2019, 01:33
It's getting worse every year after 2014 for me.
Post by: charged on July 24, 2019, 01:48
Horrible month. I had to cancel my "affordable" health care coverage (bronze @$400 a month).
The economy is going so well but this year has been just awful for me. I never thought I would have to cancel my health insurance.
I hope you did the math on the tax penalty that would be applied to you for not having insurance and see what the difference is. (I'm assuming you are American)
Post by: HalfFull on July 24, 2019, 06:32
Horrible month. I had to cancel my "affordable" health care coverage (bronze @$400 a month).
The economy is going so well but this year has been just awful for me. I never thought I would have to cancel my health insurance.
Makes me feel lucky to be in the UK.
For me, SS has been good this month but AS/FT have been poor. They seem to have a bad 1-2 weeks followed by a good week. Compared to the rest of the year, it's been harsh this month.
Post by: jonbull on July 24, 2019, 07:03
Post by: angelawaye on July 24, 2019, 08:54
Horrible month. I had to cancel my "affordable" health care coverage (bronze @$400 a month).
The economy is going so well but this year has been just awful for me. I never thought I would have to cancel my health insurance.
I hope you did the math on the tax penalty that would be applied to you for not having insurance and see what the difference is. (I'm assuming you are American)
"The federal tax penalty for not being enrolled in health insurance will be eliminated in 2019 because of recent changes made by the Trump Administration"
It's not fair to force someone to pay for unaffordable health insurance if they really cannot pay it. I honesty can't pay the $400 a month anymore (with 5K deductible). Even if I cancel my cable and put my student loans in deferment it STILL would not cover the premium. Sorry for the off topic rant... It is upsetting so I get fired up.
Post by: Steveball on July 24, 2019, 10:42
Post by: Steveball on July 24, 2019, 10:51
Post by: Artist on July 24, 2019, 11:06
Even BS beat SS today!
Epic comparison ;D
For me july is going very bad, but today was saved by one SOD.
Post by: PZF on July 24, 2019, 12:34
What a system! We'll be going the same way in the UK if the tory scum get their way.Best leave politics out of it.Not great to call fellow photogs scum.
Post by: Pauws99 on July 25, 2019, 02:25
Hes not doing thatWhat a system! We'll be going the same way in the UK if the tory scum get their way.Best leave politics out of it.Not great to call fellow photogs scum.
Post by: trabuco on July 25, 2019, 03:16
Not for his girlfriend.
Post by: MRommens on July 25, 2019, 04:08
With my first video sale! And a higher number of photo downloads (all subs)
Post by: PZF on July 25, 2019, 14:09
Every day is a weekend...except I am working. :(
Here's hoping for an algorithm change - soon!
Post by: dpimborough on July 26, 2019, 03:00
>:(
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on July 26, 2019, 07:55
Post by: Mcrstckfllw on July 26, 2019, 08:37
Maybe due to the 10 free images free download deadline for potential buyers to try out has just expired?
Post by: MRommens on July 31, 2019, 06:44
AS download numbers are also coming back
But next month i think, we get a vacation drop
Post by: YadaYadaYada on July 31, 2019, 09:32
Horrible month. I had to cancel my "affordable" health care coverage (bronze @$400 a month).
The economy is going so well but this year has been just awful for me. I never thought I would have to cancel my health insurance.
I hope you did the math on the tax penalty that would be applied to you for not having insurance and see what the difference is. (I'm assuming you are American)
"The federal tax penalty for not being enrolled in health insurance will be eliminated in 2019 because of recent changes made by the Trump Administration"
It's not fair to force someone to pay for unaffordable health insurance if they really cannot pay it. I honesty can't pay the $400 a month anymore (with 5K deductible). Even if I cancel my cable and put my student loans in deferment it STILL would not cover the premium. Sorry for the off topic rant... It is upsetting so I get fired up.
I didn't know about that penality I have coverage from work. $400 is not affordable. We really need a better plan, but hospitals bill insurance companys over 200% more then the government pays. Hows that free health in the UK working? Why do people from Canada come to the US for care and pay their own.
Post by: ShadySue on July 31, 2019, 10:32
Hows that free health in the UK working?Can't speak for the whole of the UK as I don't know, but here in Scotland it's fine, for now. All prescription medicines are free for everyone. (I don't think that's the case in England)
In May, my 90yo mum fell and broke her hip, which combined with several previously smashed-up vertebrae in the spine due to osteoporosis has left her chairbound. However, after her op, she had 3+ weeks in hospital, then another 3+ weeks in a convalescent hospital with physio twice a day to help her get to 'chairbound'. Now she's home with 2 carers four times a day to help with personal needs and meals; she's had visits from social workers, occupational therapists, a district nurse and tomorrow physios, she's been given a hospital bed and a stedy for home use - no complaints at all. My sister and I do her shopping and look after her house and garden, but basic shopping (she'd pay for the shopping but someone would do it for her while she couldn't get to the door to receive deliveries) and basic housework would be provided if we weren't able and willing to do it.
Long live the NHS. Boris and Trump had better keep their hands off it.
Post by: Pauws99 on July 31, 2019, 10:54
Indeed in England we pay for prescriptions. Its not perfect but its generally going pretty well. The WHO say this "The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy."Hows that free health in the UK working?Can't speak for the whole of the UK as I don't know, but here in Scotland it's fine, for now. All prescription medicines are free for everyone. (I don't think that's the case in England)
In May, my 90yo mum fell and broke her hip, which combined with several perviously smashed-up vertebrae in the spine due to osteoporosis has left her chairbound. However, after her op, she had 3+ weeks in hospital, then another 3+ weeks in a convalescent hospital with physio twice a day to help her get to 'chairbound'. Now she's home with 2 carers four times a day to help with personal needs and meals; she's had visits from social workers, occupational therapists, a district nurse and tomorrow physios, she's been given a hospital bed and stedy for home use - no complaints at all. My sister and I do her shopping and look after her house and garden, but basic shopping and housework would be provided if we weren't there to do that.
Long live the NHS. Boris and Trump had better keep their hands off it.
Post by: ShadySue on July 31, 2019, 11:04
I should have said that most Scots pay an extra 1% income tax compared to England. Seems to be worth it, so far.Hows that free health in the UK working?Can't speak for the whole of the UK as I don't know, but here in Scotland it's fine, for now. All prescription medicines are free for everyone. (I don't think that's the case in England)
Post by: YadaYadaYada on July 31, 2019, 11:22
I should have said that most Scots pay an extra 1% income tax compared to England. Seems to be worth it, so far.Hows that free health in the UK working?Can't speak for the whole of the UK as I don't know, but here in Scotland it's fine, for now. All prescription medicines are free for everyone. (I don't think that's the case in England)
NHS seems very popular. https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/07/591128836/u-k-hospitals-are-overburdened-but-the-british-love-their-universal-health-care (https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/07/591128836/u-k-hospitals-are-overburdened-but-the-british-love-their-universal-health-care) I read last year that emergency was often to busy because of the number of people who came in with hangovers in the morning. Waiting time for surgery was long. Life expectancy is longer in Great Britain than the US. Does that have to do with guns and drugs or health care.
Post by: ShadySue on July 31, 2019, 11:32
Yes, A&E can get full of people who could be treated elsewhere, e.g. by a GP or pharmacist, there's an education programme underway to deal with that. Also A&E are under pressure to turn people round quickly which can result in some people being sent home and readmitted soon afterwards. We have a drug problem in many areas here. I was picking up Mum's medicines in a small pharmacy in a very small village and couldn't believe the stream of people coming in for their methadone, but I've heard it's the same in my town. Of course, a higher rate of gun ownership leads to a much higher proportion of gun injuries and murders there.I should have said that most Scots pay an extra 1% income tax compared to England. Seems to be worth it, so far.Hows that free health in the UK working?Can't speak for the whole of the UK as I don't know, but here in Scotland it's fine, for now. All prescription medicines are free for everyone. (I don't think that's the case in England)
NHS seems very popular. https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/07/591128836/u-k-hospitals-are-overburdened-but-the-british-love-their-universal-health-care (https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/03/07/591128836/u-k-hospitals-are-overburdened-but-the-british-love-their-universal-health-care) I read last year that emergency was often to busy because of the number of people who came in with hangovers in the morning. Waiting time for surgery was long. Life expectancy is longer in Great Britain than the US. Does that have to do with guns and drugs or health care.
OTOH, here NHS treatment is enhanced by a lot of charities which are set up for various illnesses or groups of illnesses. You can hardly go to a big supermarket at the weekend without encountering volunteers collecting - sometimes it's me! - and these charities provide a lot of extra support over and above the NHS. I've heard that really doesn't happen in the US (people collecting outside supermarkets, in streets etc).
Post by: Pauws99 on July 31, 2019, 13:50
Post by: hatman12 on July 31, 2019, 23:37
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
Post by: dpimborough on August 01, 2019, 01:05
July was as bad as June lo and behold the same number of downloads but compared to previous years half the money.
And what is really bad is the little flurry of 33 cent SOD sales when my minimum should be 38 cents.
These people are worse than drug dealers >:(
Post by: trucic on August 01, 2019, 01:42
Post by: mindstorm on August 01, 2019, 01:43
And what is really bad is the little flurry of 33 cent SOD sales when my minimum should be 38 cents.
I have not had a single SS sale this year less than 36 cents, which is the proper amount for my level...?
Overall, for SS, I have 7043 downloads with revenue of $4761.62, which comes out to an average of 67.6 cents.
SS is no longer my biggest revenue, but it is still steady with sales every day...
Post by: Pauws99 on August 01, 2019, 02:03
This idea that the NHS is 'free' is complete and utter rubbish. It is paid for from National Insurance Contributions. Every worker has 11% deducted from salary in addition to income taxes. Employers pay extra. Yes, part of this money goes towards other benefits such as unemployment, national pensions etc. But a large part is to pay for the NHS.A free National Health Service thanks. The average wage is about £25k and I wouldn't throw the disabled and ill people who can't work under the bus as I'm OK. The NHS is free at the point of delivery no one says it doesn't cost anything.
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
Post by: ShadySue on August 01, 2019, 02:41
This idea that the NHS is 'free' is complete and utter rubbish. It is paid for from National Insurance Contributions. Every worker has 11% deducted from salary in addition to income taxes. Employers pay extra. Yes, part of this money goes towards other benefits such as unemployment, national pensions etc. But a large part is to pay for the NHS.A free National Health Service thanks. The average wage is about £25k and I wouldn't throw the disabled and ill people who can't work under the bus as I'm OK. The NHS is free at the point of delivery no one says it doesn't cost anything.
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
200% agree.
If you were insuring for a wasteful private health service (all the extra people and fabric in the insurance company) you could easily spend more than £5500 pa, esp when you consider the other things NI pays for. Angela says the minimum is $400 dollars a month, and that's only health.
You can choose not to insure and run with the risk of getting ill, but it would be poor parenting to make that choice on behalf of a child.
Besides, what would I do with £1 million after I'm dead?
And how is it if I buy travel insurance when I go to the States, I have to buy a minimum of $1 million health insurance? Oh yes, because health care is so expensive there.
Post by: Pauws99 on August 01, 2019, 02:55
If only NI did pay for all that 80% of NHS costs comes out of general taxation. The fact is Health Care is very expensive. Its really a matter of philosophy/politics whether you think its an individual or social responsibility.This idea that the NHS is 'free' is complete and utter rubbish. It is paid for from National Insurance Contributions. Every worker has 11% deducted from salary in addition to income taxes. Employers pay extra. Yes, part of this money goes towards other benefits such as unemployment, national pensions etc. But a large part is to pay for the NHS.A free National Health Service thanks. The average wage is about £25k and I wouldn't throw the disabled and ill people who can't work under the bus as I'm OK. The NHS is free at the point of delivery no one says it doesn't cost anything.
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
200% agree.
If you were insuring for a wasteful private health service (all the extra people and fabric in the insurance company) you could easily spend more than £5500 pa, esp when you consider the other things NI pays for. Angela says the minimum is $400 dollars a month.
You can choose not to insure and run with the risk of getting ill, but it would be poor parenting to do that on behalf of a child.
Besides, what would I do with £1 million after I'm dead? And how is it if I buy travel insurance when I go to the States, I have to buy a minimum of $1 million health insurance? Oh yes, because health care is so expensive there.
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on August 01, 2019, 03:20
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
The answer to that can only be given in hindsight, and the answer is going to be very different for somebody in perfect health and somebody who has been plagued with a long and costly illness. National Insurance... the clue is in the title!
Post by: Pauws99 on August 01, 2019, 03:32
Only if you think the only issue is your personal wealth.What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
The answer to that can only be given in hindsight, and the answer is going to be very different for somebody in perfect health and somebody who has been plagued with a long and costly illness. National Insurance... the clue is in the title!
Post by: gnirtS on August 01, 2019, 03:46
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Hows that free health in the UK working?
For urgent/emergency care its great.
For non urgent surgery and treatments its not so great. Waiting lists for things like eye operations and so on are 2-3 years on average in some areas.
Roughly 3.5 week wait for an appointment to see your GP.
Post by: ShadySue on August 01, 2019, 12:09
True, to an extent; but lots of studies have shown US medicine in particular is very wasteful.If only NI did pay for all that 80% of NHS costs comes out of general taxation. The fact is Health Care is very expensive. Its really a matter of philosophy/politics whether you think its an individual or social responsibility.This idea that the NHS is 'free' is complete and utter rubbish. It is paid for from National Insurance Contributions. Every worker has 11% deducted from salary in addition to income taxes. Employers pay extra. Yes, part of this money goes towards other benefits such as unemployment, national pensions etc. But a large part is to pay for the NHS.A free National Health Service thanks. The average wage is about £25k and I wouldn't throw the disabled and ill people who can't work under the bus as I'm OK. The NHS is free at the point of delivery no one says it doesn't cost anything.
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
200% agree.
If you were insuring for a wasteful private health service (all the extra people and fabric in the insurance company) you could easily spend more than £5500 pa, esp when you consider the other things NI pays for. Angela says the minimum is $400 dollars a month.
You can choose not to insure and run with the risk of getting ill, but it would be poor parenting to do that on behalf of a child.
Besides, what would I do with £1 million after I'm dead? And how is it if I buy travel insurance when I go to the States, I have to buy a minimum of $1 million health insurance? Oh yes, because health care is so expensive there.
Post by: dpimborough on August 02, 2019, 04:57
C'mon! :(
Post by: Uncle Pete on August 02, 2019, 08:34
Anyway back to the subject of the thread
July was as bad as June lo and behold the same number of downloads but compared to previous years half the money.
And what is really bad is the little flurry of 33 cent SOD sales when my minimum should be 38 cents.
These people are worse than drug dealers >:(
Yes, it seems part of the downward spiral for some people, is same amount of sales, but less money. I don't know what you have that sells SO for less than a sub, I don't get those, but I understand how that could happen. Big contract buyer, discounted prices.
There's a whole cycle kind of like drug dealers, or addiction? Ego dealers with promises of money early on, the levels, future growth and more promises, make more as you make progress. Then they pull the rug out, no more levels, lower commissions, and we're still hooked, on lower earnings, because it's a kind of addiction. I finally broke free and dropped the parasitic agencies, I won't feed them for some spare change. But what's left isn't much to brag about. Four agencies is less work though.
Why do I stay, why do I keep uploading? Because what I do make seems to be worth the weak effort I'm putting into this now. 8) I'd be taking these photos, most of them, even if there was no Microstock. I still think some people do well and work hard and get their rewards. I don't and I get what I deserve.
Look at the poll. That's people who decide to take the poll, but it represents the state of things. SS is double, AS, IS has gone from #1 to below FT/AS and DT? 2.5 holy cow, a dozen of the "middle tier", do better, including five people who still work self hosted.
Post by: dpimborough on August 02, 2019, 11:27
Anyway back to the subject of the thread
July was as bad as June lo and behold the same number of downloads but compared to previous years half the money.
And what is really bad is the little flurry of 33 cent SOD sales when my minimum should be 38 cents.
These people are worse than drug dealers >:(
Yes, it seems part of the downward spiral for some people, is same amount of sales, but less money. I don't know what you have that sells SO for less than a sub, I don't get those, but I understand how that could happen. Big contract buyer, discounted prices.
There's a whole cycle kind of like drug dealers, or addiction? Ego dealers with promises of money early on, the levels, future growth and more promises, make more as you make progress. Then they pull the rug out, no more levels, lower commissions, and we're still hooked, on lower earnings, because it's a kind of addiction. I finally broke free and dropped the parasitic agencies, I won't feed them for some spare change. But what's left isn't much to brag about. Four agencies is less work though.
Why do I stay, why do I keep uploading? Because what I do make seems to be worth the weak effort I'm putting into this now. 8) I'd be taking these photos, most of them, even if there was no Microstock. I still think some people do well and work hard and get their rewards. I don't and I get what I deserve.
Look at the poll. That's people who decide to take the poll, but it represents the state of things. SS is double, AS, IS has gone from #1 to below FT/AS and DT? 2.5 holy cow, a dozen of the "middle tier", do better, including five people who still work self hosted.
I had a few of these 33 cent sales a few months ago (March 2019) and wrote to Shutterstock and was told "it was all part of their plan" or words to that effect
I quote
"We have reviewed many of the licensing events you’ve brought to our attention, and can say definitively that everything is working as intended. These payouts are the result of clients with a plan that pays out %-based vs flat value. As detailed on https://submit.shutterstock.com/payouts, a custom plan tailored to the specific needs of a business may pay out a % of the total price of the image, either 20%, 25%, 28%, or 30% depending on lifetime earnings."
Funny how they keep this s-hit to themselves but perhaps they thought we were sick of more exciting news emails :(
Post by: PZF on August 03, 2019, 01:59
:(
Occasional subs only.
Post by: kelomang on August 03, 2019, 03:12
SS is close to dead.
:(
Occasional subs only.
It pretty much is. I wouldn't mind so much about only subs if they were only consistent or increasing as our ports grow. It's the decline of sales day by day is what's concerning.
Post by: Mantis on August 04, 2019, 08:50
Post by: dpimborough on August 12, 2019, 04:15
and a zero sale weekend Saturday and Sunday for the first time in 5 years
I'll be lucky to make $100 this month :'(
No high value SOD's ODD's are none existant and EL's dissappeared over a year ago.
I give up there's just no point to this game any longer :(
Post by: hafakot on August 12, 2019, 05:22
Post by: jonbull on August 12, 2019, 05:52
i will clean the backlog who will need a lot of times but will not spend a dime on a shooting till i see some improvements. good that is summer and assignment and personal private shooting is rocking especially with rich people...tthe fact that rich are spending like crazy for an hour shooting but normal business cannot even buy photos for penny means a lot to me.
Post by: MRommens on August 12, 2019, 07:23
August is a wme
1 subscription so far
But August is a vacation month
Let's hope sales will come back in September
Post by: Mantis on August 15, 2019, 04:41
Post by: HalfFull on August 15, 2019, 05:07
Something other than summer is affecting my sales. Just making $3-5 a day. I am usually making $25-$50 a day. Only at $140 so far for August and July netted only $460, when my last few months before July have been $800-$900. Probably getting summer slump plus the recipient of a search change/test. Either way the last two months have been horrible, Aug worse than July, overall on track to be down 60% this month.
Could well be a tweak...of course it could tweak back so fingers crossed.
Myself.... July was a little lower than last year but not by much, only $20 or so (780 total). August has been a strong month, especially this week with days of 60-95 (480 so far). I'm sort of expecting this to suddenly stop... at which point it'll probably be your turn! June-Aug tend to be quieter months for me at SS.
Post by: qunamax on August 15, 2019, 05:41
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Post by: YadaYadaYada on August 16, 2019, 15:20
Seriously how did a thread about worst month on Shutterstock get hi-jacked into a discussion of health care? ???
C'mon! :(
Nothing from Marbury Herg how he dropped to half of last month for the 48th straight time. ;D
Post by: trabuco on September 06, 2019, 01:23
Post by: DiscreetDuck on September 06, 2019, 03:45
Post by: Pauws99 on September 06, 2019, 04:01
I think reviewers don't have the button "Sorry but we don't like your image".Some sites have or had "lack of commercial value" got this on rf123 a few times....usually for images that went on to sell quite often on other sites. "aesthetic value" is another one....as if that is somehow related to stock.
Post by: jonbull on September 06, 2019, 05:13
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Post by: candidcruiser on September 09, 2019, 08:02
Post by: trabuco on September 09, 2019, 08:10
Post by: Pauws99 on September 09, 2019, 08:30
I think It's a system to make you upload slowly. Can't understand the reason in SS and AS to make that.Its not a system...they pay peanuts and give inspectors a huge workload they don't have time to review with care and I doubt there is enough oversight to ensure consistency.
Post by: trabuco on September 09, 2019, 08:36
I think It's a system to make you upload slowly. Can't understand the reason in SS and AS to make that.Its not a system...they pay peanuts and give inspectors a huge workload they don't have time to review with care and I doubt there is enough oversight to ensure consistency.
Maybe you're right, but sometimes I've realized that my rejections in one agency followed a ratio.
Maybe doesn't mean nothing.
Post by: Uncle Pete on September 11, 2019, 12:50
I think reviewers don't have the button "Sorry but we don't like your image".Some sites have or had "lack of commercial value" got this on rf123 a few times....usually for images that went on to sell quite often on other sites. "aesthetic value" is another one....as if that is somehow related to stock.
Yeah LCV, I had one at FT when I asked for why they were 100% accepted one month and 100% rejected the next, for a series of images. I only remember that it was a lady and she said "these don't sell well" Which is in her opinion vs whoever accepted all of them the previous month?
Or maybe she was more informed than the other reviewer who accept my Crapstock and shouldn't have. ;)
I think IS used to have some weasel rejections too, giving a reviewer the ability to reject for some vague reasons that were not clear. (AKA I don't like your photo) And then some places there seems to be, click any button if you don't like something. I used to like IS for consistent reviews, long ago. Actually now, AS seems to be the top of the class for reviewers who actually look at images. SS are a bunch of button pushers making their pennies, Alamy is pretty generous because if the photo is exposed right, sharp, and has decent lighting and color balance, it passes.
I do like the SS policy of not asking for us to waste time. If you don't like the review, just upload again. Yes, that's a waste of time, but not as much as asking for clicking previously submitted.
There are others, low selling sites, we all know who, that don't even bother to review unless someone begs them. And the opposite where unless I upload some tragic flawed piece of junk, anything will pass.
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 01, 2021, 09:53
Seriously how did a thread about worst month on Shutterstock get hi-jacked into a discussion of health care? ???
C'mon! :(
Nothing from Marbury Herg how he dropped to half of last month for the 48th straight time. ;D
Everything is worse for all of us for almost a year now. But since you asked:
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On 3/31/2021 at 3:35 AM, Marbury said:
Scrappy, crappy piddling 10 cent sales is unsustainable. I am now earning less than a quarter of what I used to earn here. Very very unfair to us contributors.
Post by: H2O on April 01, 2021, 10:05
Horrible month. I had to cancel my "affordable" health care coverage (bronze @$400 a month).
The economy is going so well but this year has been just awful for me. I never thought I would have to cancel my health insurance.
Fortunately over here in the UK we have the NHS, I can never understand why the richest Country on the Planet you have to have all these separate insurance policies at different levels.
In Germany, France . . etc, they have a integrated healthcare system part insurance, part state and no one drops through the net.
America just doesn't seem to care about the ability of it's population to work efficiently, effectively and happily.
Post by: H2O on April 01, 2021, 10:09
This idea that the NHS is 'free' is complete and utter rubbish. It is paid for from National Insurance Contributions. Every worker has 11% deducted from salary in addition to income taxes. Employers pay extra. Yes, part of this money goes towards other benefits such as unemployment, national pensions etc. But a large part is to pay for the NHS.
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
Or a crippling disease or illness where you are so destitute you can't afford painkillers.
Your perspective on the NHS is more about money you may have as opposed to health.
Post by: Tenebroso on April 01, 2021, 10:27
They are Americans. The richest country is in macroeconomic terms. In quality of life, they are the last in line. But 70 million Americans, feed them the flag. Three jobs, and pray that there is no unforeseen event, the broken washing machine or fixing the car.
Despite not enjoying adequate public services. It is a matter of the education received at school. We closed their debates 40 years ago in other countries. Coming home, living one more day in the USA, is a matter of luck. Of course, they think that we all want to be Americans.
When they are born in the USA, they can see life go by, without leaving it, they already have everything, they are Americans. Many have already been questioned, if the USA is the ideal country to live. Borrowing three lives for the university and a series of circumstances, which simply, for people who live in a zone of peace, are simply incomprehensible.
Half the population does not listen to the news. A person without information is vulnerable. This goes for decades. They have assumed that the communist agenda wants to end their system of freedom.
There is a waiting list of the lucky ones who can grab dual citizenship, USA and Italy, with a double passport.
Post by: farbled on April 01, 2021, 11:05
Every country has issues. Some big, some not so big. And some are just in the news more than others. The news only gives the bad side, it sells better.
And yes, last month sucked for sales. SS outsold AS by a small margin, but earned far less.
Post by: Tenebroso on April 01, 2021, 11:11
I use SS as an advertisement to show my files. Month by month, rising in sales. Little money. I use SS to promote my files, waiting for AS to get more clients.
Post by: Zero Talent on April 01, 2021, 23:58
Easy. Being a patriot is paying for insurance. What happens in other countries is the communist agenda of the left, and the ANTIFA is the problem, not the fascists. They have assumed it since childhood.
They are Americans. The richest country is in macroeconomic terms. In quality of life, they are the last in line. But 70 million Americans, feed them the flag. Three jobs, and pray that there is no unforeseen event, the broken washing machine or fixing the car.
Despite not enjoying adequate public services. It is a matter of the education received at school. We closed their debates 40 years ago in other countries. Coming home, living one more day in the USA, is a matter of luck. Of course, they think that we all want to be Americans.
When they are born in the USA, they can see life go by, without leaving it, they already have everything, they are Americans. Many have already been questioned, if the USA is the ideal country to live. Borrowing three lives for the university and a series of circumstances, which simply, for people who live in a zone of peace, are simply incomprehensible.
Half the population does not listen to the news. A person without information is vulnerable. This goes for decades. They have assumed that the communist agenda wants to end their system of freedom.
There is a waiting list of the lucky ones who can grab dual citizenship, USA and Italy, with a double passport.
People always vote with their feet when deciding where life is better.
The fact is that the US is leading (by far) the world ranks in terms of immigration numbers, and that's even if we only look at the legal immigrants, and despite the exacerbated populist anti-immigration rhetoric we witnessed for the past years.
Swaths of people from all over the world are still leaving their country, their families, their friends, and their old life behind to move to the US. Many times more than to any other country.
So... it can't be that bad, after all ;)
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 02, 2021, 03:23
Agreed and here are the actual numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
People always vote with their feet when deciding where life is better. ...
USA comes in below Germany, Sweden, UK, Norway, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Great Britain, Denmark and on and on. A large number of immigrants to the US are fleeing problems in South America, as in the US is not a virtual war zone and can be reached on foot, as opposed to going there because it is the land of milk and honey. For the same reason as a lot of middle eastern countries that are not at war are at at the top of the table. It is more to do with instability forcing people to flee to the best nearest option. It's not like most poor South American refugees and asylum seekers have the option of fleeing to a European country.
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 02, 2021, 03:29
This idea that the NHS is 'free' is complete and utter rubbish. It is paid for from National Insurance Contributions. Every worker has 11% deducted from salary in addition to income taxes. Employers pay extra. Yes, part of this money goes towards other benefits such as unemployment, national pensions etc. But a large part is to pay for the NHS.
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
Again lets look at the actual facts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita)
Look a the bar chart of "Total health expenditure per capita in US dollars"
This one is actually mind boggling. People in the US actually pay more in taxes towards their health care than people in the UK, then have to pay insurance on TOP. It is absolutely insane how corrupt health care has become in the US.
Also national insurance is mainly for State Pensions and Benefits. 80-90% NHS funding comes from general taxation https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/how-nhs-funded. (https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/how-nhs-funded.) And also not 12% and someone on 50000 would pay £4851 but now we are getting into the weeds on a post that has no foundation (for the other reasons stated)
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on April 02, 2021, 03:40
Easy. Being a patriot is paying for insurance. What happens in other countries is the communist agenda of the left, and the ANTIFA is the problem, not the fascists. They have assumed it since childhood.
They are Americans. The richest country is in macroeconomic terms. In quality of life, they are the last in line. But 70 million Americans, feed them the flag. Three jobs, and pray that there is no unforeseen event, the broken washing machine or fixing the car.
Despite not enjoying adequate public services. It is a matter of the education received at school. We closed their debates 40 years ago in other countries. Coming home, living one more day in the USA, is a matter of luck. Of course, they think that we all want to be Americans.
When they are born in the USA, they can see life go by, without leaving it, they already have everything, they are Americans. Many have already been questioned, if the USA is the ideal country to live. Borrowing three lives for the university and a series of circumstances, which simply, for people who live in a zone of peace, are simply incomprehensible.
Half the population does not listen to the news. A person without information is vulnerable. This goes for decades. They have assumed that the communist agenda wants to end their system of freedom.
There is a waiting list of the lucky ones who can grab dual citizenship, USA and Italy, with a double passport.
People always vote with their feet when deciding where life is better.
Fact is that the US is leading (by far) the world ranks in terms of immigration numbers, and that's even if we only look at the legal immigrants, and despite the exarcerbated populist anti-immigration rethoric we witnessed for the past years.
Swaths of people from all over the world are still leaving their country, their famillies, their friends and their old life behind to move to the US. Many, many times more than to any other country.
So... it can't be that bad, after all ;)
About 150,000,000 people went to see 'Furious 7' as well, but it doesn't mean it was any good! ;)
Post by: Pauws99 on April 02, 2021, 04:48
The irony being that those in Central America are fleeing from Countries whose problems are largely caused by US activities.Agreed and here are the actual numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
People always vote with their feet when deciding where life is better. ...
USA comes in below Germany, Sweden, UK, Norway, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Great Britain, Denmark and on and on. A large number of immigrants to the US are fleeing problems in South America, as in the US is not a virtual war zone and can be reached on foot, as opposed to going there because it is the land of milk and honey. For the same reason as a lot of middle eastern countries that are not at war are at at the top of the table. It is more to do with instability forcing people to flee to the best nearest option. It's not like most poor South American refugees and asylum seekers have the option of fleeing to a European country.
Post by: H2O on April 02, 2021, 05:21
This idea that the NHS is 'free' is complete and utter rubbish. It is paid for from National Insurance Contributions. Every worker has 11% deducted from salary in addition to income taxes. Employers pay extra. Yes, part of this money goes towards other benefits such as unemployment, national pensions etc. But a large part is to pay for the NHS.
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
Again lets look at the actual facts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita)
Look a the bar chart of "Total health expenditure per capita in US dollars"
This one is actually mind boggling. People in the US actually pay more in taxes towards their health care than people in the UK, then have to pay insurance on TOP. It is absolutely insane how corrupt health care has become in the US.
Also national insurance is mainly for State Pensions and Benefits. 80-90% NHS funding comes from general taxation https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/how-nhs-funded. (https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/how-nhs-funded.) And also not 12% and someone on 50000 would pay £4851 but now we are getting into the weeds on a post that has no foundation (for the other reasons stated)
You are right Justanotherphotographer, this person Tenebroso is out there on the far side of reality, he obviously represents part of the warped American thinking were they don't believe in facts.
Post by: Mimi the Cat on April 02, 2021, 05:40
This idea that the NHS is 'free' is complete and utter rubbish. It is paid for from National Insurance Contributions. Every worker has 11% deducted from salary in addition to income taxes. Employers pay extra. Yes, part of this money goes towards other benefits such as unemployment, national pensions etc. But a large part is to pay for the NHS.
Imagine someone earning a reasonable 50,000 per annum. They pay 5500 a year in National Insurance. A typical person works 40 years, so that's 220000 over a working life not adjusting for inflation etc.
Now imagine if that money was instead invested in an annual investment plan. Even at a modest 5% a year that money would grow to somewhere near to 1,000,000 - easily enough money for retirement and health.
What would you rather have - free NHS and a small Government pension, or one million pounds in the bank?
Again lets look at the actual facts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita)
Look a the bar chart of "Total health expenditure per capita in US dollars"
This one is actually mind boggling. People in the US actually pay more in taxes towards their health care than people in the UK, then have to pay insurance on TOP. It is absolutely insane how corrupt health care has become in the US.
Also national insurance is mainly for State Pensions and Benefits. 80-90% NHS funding comes from general taxation https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/how-nhs-funded. (https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/how-nhs-funded.) And also not 12% and someone on 50000 would pay £4851 but now we are getting into the weeds on a post that has no foundation (for the other reasons stated)
You are right Justanotherphotographer, this person Tenebroso is out there on the far side of reality, he obviously represents part of the warped American thinking were they don't believe in facts.
He claims he's Spanish
Post by: Zero Talent on April 02, 2021, 07:37
Agreed and here are the actual numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
People always vote with their feet when deciding where life is better. ...
USA comes in below Germany, Sweden, UK, Norway, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Great Britain, Denmark and on and on.
That's because you are looking at a rate, in reference to the population of those countries. I don't think it's a good way to decide which country is the most favored immigration destination. Countries with smaller populations are artificially inflated in your stats. What matters is the total. Check the graph below. With all due respect, since you agree that voting with your feet is a good expression for the quality of life at the international level, I doubt that life is better in the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia, as it appears when using rates. ;)
Post by: Zero Talent on April 02, 2021, 08:34
UAE is actually fantastic country to live in. It is not surprise at all for them to have big immigration numbers.
Probably, since it ranks 6th in the world from the total number of immigrants.
8 million people can't be that wrong, especially these days when the word of mouth is spreading instantly.
The point is that the US is by far the preferred immigration destination, therefore life in the US is not as bad as some might like to think. On the contrary! ;D
Post by: farbled on April 02, 2021, 10:09
Post by: Tenebroso on April 02, 2021, 11:01
I am not going to comment on health in the USA, because I have already discussed for more than 15 years the problems that I am interested in solving, that affect me, in private and in other lines with other means of communication and with others interlocutors.
If you are interested in knowing data about health in the USA or in other parts of the planet, inform yourself in other media, if you want. My time has a value.
The immigration thing, I have not spoken anything about this subject. I love the USA and its people, not all of them. I don't love the uninformed.
A country that keeps its people from believing in the media is a very vulnerable country. A big problem. Among many other problems, which I am not going to discuss in public on the internet. I'm not interested.
Post by: Zero Talent on April 02, 2021, 11:18
This topic is about SS. I gave my opinion on healthcare in the USA. A user showed his bewilderment in the US health. I explained my point of view on the subject, something related to education, and that the problem has been in the DNA for years.
I am not going to comment on health in the USA, because I have already discussed for more than 15 years the problems that I am interested in solving, that affect me, in private and in other lines with other means of communication and with others interlocutors.
If you are interested in knowing data about health in the USA or in other parts of the planet, inform yourself in other media, if you want. My time has a value.
The immigration thing, I have not spoken anything about this subject. I love the USA and its people, not all of them. I don't love the uninformed.
A country that keeps its people from believing in the media is a very vulnerable country. A big problem. Among many other problems, which I am not going to discuss in public on the internet. I'm not interested.
Not really. You gave us your uninformed opinion about the American life.
So you are very much interested in discussing in public your stereotype-based opinions and obviously, that was worth your time. :D
The conclusion is that you don't love yourself because you don't love "the uninformed". ;D
Sad! :'(
Post by: Tenebroso on April 02, 2021, 11:36
Once we manage to remove Trump from social networks, we displace hatred from the vision of our minors, our minors do not deserve to live with your problems. You can fight for what you think you should fight for.
Can you love the USA, the question you must ask yourself is, maybe it is better to love the USA less and love it in a better way?
Self-criticism is an important value. By detecting problems, you can fight to solve them. If there are no problems, everything is perfect.
Post by: trabuco on April 02, 2021, 13:37
Self-criticism is an important value. By detecting problems, you can fight to solve them. If there are no problems, everything is perfect.
You are wasting your time.
Post by: Pauws99 on April 02, 2021, 13:42
Does anybody know how we can apply for reviewer job on SS, now when americans are gone? Is there a link you can point me to?https://careers.shutterstock.com/ Whether the assertion that any reviewers in America were got rid of is true is questionable in my view without actual evidence.
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 03, 2021, 09:02
UAE is actually fantastic country to live in. It is not surprise at all for them to have big immigration numbers.
Probably, since it ranks 6th in the world from the total number of immigrants.
8 million people can't be that wrong, especially these days when the word of mouth is spreading instantly.
The point is that the US is by far the preferred immigration destination, therefore life in the US is not as bad as some might like to think. On the contrary! ;D
Here's the latest from people who would agree with you: US Customs and Border Protection encountered 171,700 migrants in March, including a record number of unaccompanied minors, far exceeding the prior month's totals and continuing an upward trend dating back to last year.
That number is encountered, not the ones they missed.
"In March, CBP encountered 18,800 unaccompanied children at the border, according to the preliminary data, nearly doubling the number apprehensions of children in February and setting a record high."
And now back to bad all over at Shutterstock. Where it now takes three months to make what I did in one month, before the new program that was supposed to reward the active contributors and the rest of the insulting BS from SS HQ that was flung to pacify us into believing their bull crap about the cuts. I believe numbers and results. Income from SS is down 2/3rds.
I do know a couple people who have actually found growth. I'm just pointing out that the majority of us are earning less.
My answer stands, just for those who can't understand. Either take what they offer or leave. The choice is ours alone to decide.
Post by: cascoly on April 04, 2021, 01:00
"The federal tax penalty for not being enrolled in health insurance will be eliminated in 2019 because of recent changes made by the Trump Administration"
It's not fair to force someone to pay for unaffordable health insurance if they really cannot pay it. I honesty can't pay the $400 a month anymore (with 5K deductible). Even if I cancel my cable and put my student loans in deferment it STILL would not cover the premium. Sorry for the off topic rant... It is upsetting so I get fired up.
blame the republicans for that one! they watered down the ACA in pretend negotiations, then none voted for their own amendments - so we had no public option which would have provided affordable insurance for everyone who wanted it. then spent the next 10 years trying to destroy the ACA.
Post by: cascoly on April 04, 2021, 01:10
That's because you are looking at a rate, in reference to the population of those countries. I don't think it's a good way to decide which country is the most favored immigration destination. Countries with smaller populations are artificially inflated in your stats. What matters is the total. Check the graph below. With all due respect, since you agree that voting with your feet is a good expression for the quality of life at the international level, I doubt that life is better in the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia, as it appears when using rates. ;)
what's the range in years for those #s? those include generous immigration policy towards WASPish europeans and essential workers, plus many who come to the US for migrant labor that citizens wont do - if they're lucky they make enough to send home & eventually buy some land.
the US exceeds by far the GDP etc of most of those countries and rate is important when the population is so skewed - so per citizen the US does a much worse job than any other industrial democracy
Post by: trabuco on April 04, 2021, 05:17
Post by: Mimi the Cat on April 04, 2021, 05:56
Immigration from the EU? Does it exist?
Of course it does they all moved to the UK ::)
Post by: trabuco on April 04, 2021, 06:17
Post by: Zero Talent on April 04, 2021, 06:40
That's because you are looking at a rate, in reference to the population of those countries. I don't think it's a good way to decide which country is the most favored immigration destination. Countries with smaller populations are artificially inflated in your stats. What matters is the total. Check the graph below. With all due respect, since you agree that voting with your feet is a good expression for the quality of life at the international level, I doubt that life is better in the United Arab Emirates or Saudi Arabia, as it appears when using rates. ;)
what's the range in years for those #s? those include generous immigration policy towards WASPish europeans and essential workers, plus many who come to the US for migrant labor that citizens wont do - if they're lucky they make enough to send home & eventually buy some land.
the US exceeds by far the GDP etc of most of those countries and rate is important when the population is so skewed - so per citizen the US does a much worse job than any other industrial democracy
That graph shows all foreign-born US individuals as of 2019.
The foreign-born population includes naturalized citizens, lawful permanent residents, refugees and asylees, other legal residents.
From the global pool of people who decided to leave everything behind and risk a move to a new country, a disproportionate number chose the US. That includes people from India, China, Philippines, etc. who could have chosen Western Europe, or Australia, or Canada, for example, but they didn't.
About 11% of all US immigrants are from Europe, including 1.8 million from EU and 700k from UK.
Even if you exclude those 10 millions of Mexican immigrants, the US still remains the prefered emigration destination, worldwide.
So again, life in the US can't be that bad ;)
Post by: Pauws99 on April 04, 2021, 06:57
In fact a lot of Eastern Europeans are now returning to Poland etc. Since the UK left the EU there has been little immigration. Theres a lot of movement between countries within the EU.Immigration from the EU? Does it exist?
Of course it does they all moved to the UK ::)
Post by: trabuco on April 04, 2021, 11:29
Can't imagine why a british or a french could prefer the USA to his own country. It's not possible in my opinion.
(no offense, none of the americans would change their country for another one)
Post by: Pauws99 on April 04, 2021, 11:47
Hard to believe that people from the western EU could move to the USA, sounds weird. Maybe from the new eastern countries do, because they move to Germany, UK, France and Spain too. But in a few years (15 or 20) they will not need to move anymore, that is the good thing about the EU and the reason why all these countries want to be in. With all our s.h.it the countries are constantly improving.If you are succesful and talented the US has lots to offer. If you are ill or disabled not so much. For the affluent the US has a great lifestyle.
Can't imagine why a british or a french could prefer the USA to his own country. It's not possible in my opinion.
(no offense, none of the americans would change their country for another one)
Post by: farbled on April 04, 2021, 11:53
If you are succesful and talented the US has lots to offer. If you are ill or disabled not so much. For the affluent the US has a great lifestyle.
Yup, if I lived in the US I'd be bankrupt and homeless from medical. I need huge travel insurance just to go (when I used to travel). Lovely place with great people and scenery, but no, I prefer Canada. The idea of being a no-fault car accident away from extreme poverty doesn't appeal.
Not that my country doesn't have its issues of course.
Post by: Zero Talent on April 04, 2021, 13:34
Hard to believe that people from the western EU could move to the USA, sounds weird. Maybe from the new eastern countries do, because they move to Germany, UK, France and Spain too. But in a few years (15 or 20) they will not need to move anymore, that is the good thing about the EU and the reason why all these countries want to be in. With all our s.h.it the countries are constantly improving.
Can't imagine why a british or a french could prefer the USA to his own country. It's not possible in my opinion.
(no offense, none of the americans would change their country for another one)
And yet, the reality is different than your beliefs. ;)
The numbers I published above show that you may live in a bubble.
As you noticed, many Eastern Europeans prefer the US to Western Europe, despite having the that border much closer.
And if you do the math based on the above stats, you will conclude that the number of Western Europeans who moved to the US is comparable.
Btw, I work directly with 2 Spanish, 1 French and 2 from Eastern Europe.
Anyway, what matters is not our personal experience or beliefs, but the facts presented by the official statistics. ;D
Post by: Asthebelltolls on April 04, 2021, 13:39
If you are succesful and talented the US has lots to offer. If you are ill or disabled not so much. For the affluent the US has a great lifestyle.
Yup, if I lived in the US I'd be bankrupt and homeless from medical. I need huge travel insurance just to go (when I used to travel). Lovely place with great people and scenery, but no, I prefer Canada. The idea of being a no-fault car accident away from extreme poverty doesn't appeal.
Not that my country doesn't have its issues of course.
....like deranged, knife wielding lunatics running through shopping malls and "missing women" headlines every second day but, yes, I too prefer Canada.
Post by: Tenebroso on April 04, 2021, 15:15
Post by: farbled on April 04, 2021, 15:31
Fortunately, in every corner of the country, there are true patriots, those who love their country, struggling to improve. Kneeling before the anthem, claiming a country where they can live, according to current times, 2021.
Meh, the USA is a good country with issues, like any other. Its just in the news more.
Post by: Tenebroso on April 04, 2021, 18:51
Justice and the army have saved democracy this time. But the problem is in society. 70 million, that's a lot of votes, it's a lot of people. The problem must be solved. Some speak of war within five years, others in this decade.
The hostile environment is not bearable, for long. Prewar atmosphere, bellicose. And this time, only the rich are against it. Society is ready to find a solution, to leave a new country to the new generations. The current one is expired.
Do not give importance to my words, here, in this forum, they call me the drunk in the town square.
It is the media that intoxicate my few neurons.
You can already close the thread.
Post by: Tenebroso on April 04, 2021, 19:22
World leaders have already confirmed to Biden that it is appreciated that he does what he can, and that they value his efforts. But once confidence is lost, it is very difficult to regain it.
Now that you have left the forum, I wish you to spend some time on the information. And know, that health is in all electoral campaigns. As one of the top three problems for Americans.
Information makes you free.
Post by: Mimi the Cat on April 04, 2021, 22:56
Before the Administrator closes this thread and makes it disappear, I would like to tell you, that unfortunately, the civil war is the only possible solution. And then restart the country. This is what many of us think. Unfortunately. The problem has been entrenched in society for decades
Justice and the army have saved democracy this time. But the problem is in society. 70 million, that's a lot of votes, it's a lot of people. The problem must be solved. Some speak of war within five years, others in this decade.
The hostile environment is not bearable, for long. Prewar atmosphere, bellicose. And this time, only the rich are against it. Society is ready to find a solution, to leave a new country to the new generations. The current one is expired.
Do not give importance to my words, here, in this forum, they call me the drunk in the town square.
It is the media that intoxicate my few neurons.
You can already close the thread.
You really are just trolling this forum with your incessant word salad
And who gave you permission to request this discussion should be closed?
I request your account gets closed ::)
Post by: Tenebroso on April 04, 2021, 23:28
You are right to request to be expelled from the forum. It is normal for you to request this. Your love for me has been for months.
Post by: trabuco on April 05, 2021, 00:42
Hard to believe that people from the western EU could move to the USA, sounds weird. Maybe from the new eastern countries do, because they move to Germany, UK, France and Spain too. But in a few years (15 or 20) they will not need to move anymore, that is the good thing about the EU and the reason why all these countries want to be in. With all our s.h.it the countries are constantly improving.
Can't imagine why a british or a french could prefer the USA to his own country. It's not possible in my opinion.
(no offense, none of the americans would change their country for another one)
And yet, the reality is different than your beliefs. ;)
The numbers I published above show that you may live in a bubble.
As you noticed, many Eastern Europeans prefer the US to Western Europe, despite having the that border much closer.
And if you do the math based on the above stats, you will conclude that the number of Western Europeans who moved to the US is comparable.
Btw, I work directly with 2 Spanish, 1 French and 2 from Eastern Europe.
Anyway, what matters is not our personal experience or beliefs, but the facts presented by the official statistics. ;D
I could be wrong. I think life in all countries of Western Europe is much better than there by far (not in Poland), but as you say is just my opinion.