Author Topic: Post Voting Vendetta (Read 11658 times)

leaf · « **on:** March 14, 2013, 01:56 »

It appears some members of the forum have a voting vendetta going. Voting every post of another member down (or up) without regard for what is written. If you are seen doing this, your voting privileges will be revoked.

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #1 on:** March 14, 2013, 03:18 »

And for what reason should somebody do that?
Why "vendetta"?

fotografer · « **Reply #2 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:10 »

I had noticed that happening and sometimes got rid of the minus where it isn't necessary by voting it back up but lately there has sometimes been more than one minus on totally normal posts. Seems like such a stupid, pathetic thing to do. We aren't in the playground!!!

CD123 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:21 »

Thank you for this initiative. It is very clear when someone just ask a question or share an experience (no opinions involved and non repetitive questions) and minuses start to appear. Seems quite personal in such cases.

I find it especially negative when used in place of a proper response of disagreement. In stead of stating clearly why a member does not agree with a statement the minus button is pressed.

I think the simple rule should be that if the poster will not be able to understand why he/she is getting a minus, rather go to the trouble and type a response to the statement you do not agree with.

fotografer · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:24 »

I find it really petty when somebody starts a thread asking how people are doing at a certain site and then people get minuses for daring to say that they are doing well. It gives an unrealistic idea of how a site is doing if only the people that are doing badly post.

CD123 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:31 »

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on March 14, 2013, 03:18

And for what reason should somebody do that?
Why "vendetta"?

Sometimes discussions get a bit heated on a topic and people get angry with each other. Not being grown up, some of the members keep a grudge and target one or more of the parties in other threads thereafter and try to "bring him/her down" by just minusing everything the person post = vendetta. Very childish, but unfortunately not uncommon on a platform like with MSG with many members and diverse personalities (disorders?).

leaf · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:55 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 04:31

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on March 14, 2013, 03:18
And for what reason should somebody do that?
Why "vendetta"?
Sometimes discussions get a bit heated on a topic and people get angry with each other. Not being grown up, some of the members keep a grudge and target one or more of the parties in other threads thereafter and try to "bring him/her down" by just minusing everything the person post = vendetta. Very childish, but unfortunately not uncommon on a platform like with MSG with many members and diverse personalities (disorders?).

yes, quite well explained

sharpshot · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:26 »

I much preferred MSG before we had the +1 -1 thing and the good post star. It looks a bit childish now to me. So why not scrap it? It's always going to be open to abuse and people that make a good post can get lots of negative votes while someone posting something stupid that's popular gets voted up and a big star. I think it's pathetic really and should be reserved for forums that are less professional than this one.

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #8 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:30 »

Quote from: leaf on March 14, 2013, 04:55

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 04:31
Quote from: Beppe Grillo on March 14, 2013, 03:18
And for what reason should somebody do that?
Why "vendetta"?

Sometimes discussions get a bit heated on a topic and people get angry with each other. Not being grown up, some of the members keep a grudge and target one or more of the parties in other threads thereafter and try to "bring him/her down" by just minusing everything the person post = vendetta. Very childish, but unfortunately not uncommon on a platform like with MSG with many members and diverse personalities (disorders?).

yes, quite well explained

Thanks.

Personally I use it only in positive way, to thank a person that gave me a nice or useful answer.
This to avoid to answer with a post, making threat longer without need.

About this point I have a suggestion for the admin of the forum, but I don't know if it is possible here:
on some forum you have the "thanks" button, and when you click on it you name (nick) appears under the post.
This could be an useful way to know who use this button abusively.

Something like this:
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7705/scr20130314alle123206.png

enstoker · « **Reply #9 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:16 »

Agree with Beppe.
For me is annoying to see a normal post with voting down and without explanation why was given negative vote.

microstockphoto.co.uk · « **Reply #10 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:39 »

On a general note, I don't like votes - neither negative nor positive

Let's leave that to generalist social networks, we don't need likes/dislikes in a specific forum like this

CD123 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:55 »

The irony of the vendetta/silly negative vote is that it works to the opposite. Like in sharpshot's example where a person just say he/she has good sales at a site and get minuses. Others then see the minuses, realize it is silly (or vendetta based) and add a plus to counteract the minuses.

Seeing that minuses does not count against your profile, the person who just stated that he/he has good sales got a few pluses added (reserved for "great posts") for just an ordinary statement. Same with vendetta minuses. This makes a mockery of the whole voting system.

The good or bad idea of the minus was also addressed here last December:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/site-related/1-button-good-or-bad/

Dan · « **Reply #12 on:** March 14, 2013, 09:21 »

I much preferred MSG before we had the +1 -1 thing and the good post star. It looks a bit childish now to me. So why not scrap it? It's always going to be open to abuse and people that make a good post can get lots of negative votes while someone posting something stupid that's popular gets voted up and a big star. I think it's pathetic really and should be reserved for forums that are less professional than this one.

Agree quite completely

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #13 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:11 »

I liked the old heart system better - just a way to note something you liked or agreed with or which was well said. It had the option (at one time anyway) of the person giving the heart including a brief comment which went only to the person receiving the post.

If you remember iStock's disastrous" forometer", I think the +/- system is somewhat similar (although less bad). I assume it's fairly easy to detect the pattern of +/- voting to automate picking out the juveniles, but if this new system brings with it the need to police it actively (something I'm not aware of happening with the old heart), is it really worth keeping?

lisafx · « **Reply #14 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:18 »

I'm not sure how you determine if it is a vendetta or just disagreement. There are some members I tend to disagree with often, and some I agree with most of their posts. I hope I won't be penalized for legitimate agreement or disagreement with people based on their posts, even if there appears to be a pattern.

BTW, I agree with JoAnn, I liked the old heart system better. For one thing it wasn't anonymous. If someone "hearted" you, you could see they agreed with you. Kind of gave a warm fuzzy feeling

CD123 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:35 »

A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:49 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:35

A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

shall we put also agencies $ balance too?

CD123 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:52 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 14, 2013, 10:49

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:35
A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

shall we put also agencies $ balance too?

What will that have to do with anything?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2013, 10:55 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:52

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 14, 2013, 10:49
Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:35
A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

shall we put also agencies $ balance too?

What will that have to to with anything?

number 1, the hearts in the past only told the person who got the heart
number 2, if the - shows up it will open more "discussions", I believe that leaf can handle this by himself, no need to show who gives - or +
number 3, if you wish that - shows up why can't I wish $ balance?

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:11 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 10:35

A lot of transparency can be achieved if the identity of the voters can be indicated somewhere on the post (maybe at the bottom of the post):
- a, b, c
+ d, e, f
If a person is prepared to press the minus button he/she should have had the conviction to have actually placed a post of disagreement in the thread (divulging their identity) in any case, so why not disclose it?

I proposed it some post above

Microbius · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:16 »

I like the voting system. Before you would get threads without many posts and have no idea what the community as a whole thought about the subject. Now at least if someone is starting loads of annoying threads you have some idea that a lot of people find it irritating.

Also visa versa, sometime you'll get a thread started with an interesting link and a heart is an easy way to show you appreciation when normally you wouldn't bother with a full post.

As several others have mentioned, if people are auto voting people down that is soon corrected by others voting the same post up because it is obvious when it is someone being silly, so why not keep it.

I remember recently when someone was threatening me on a thread and I was getting hearts and they were getting minuses. I could understand people not wanting to get directly involved with a psycho troll. If I had no way of telling people didn't like the other person's behaviour I would have really felt left out to dry.

CD123 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:31 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 14, 2013, 10:55

number 3, if you wish that - shows up why can't I wish $ balance?

$ balance has zero relevance to anyone's opinions or their use of the - or + function. But sure, if you want to you can ask Leaf to give you an ice cream here as well. It will be just as relevant

luissantos84 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:34 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 14, 2013, 11:31

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 14, 2013, 10:55
number 3, if you wish that - shows up why can't I wish $ balance?

$ balance has zero relevance to anyone's opinions or their use of the - or + function. But sure, if you want to you can ask Leaf to give you an ice cream here as well. It will be just as relevant

Leaf can I have an ice cream?

rubyroo · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2013, 11:59 »

I totally agree with Microbius here. Very often these days I'm too busy to write something that might then pull me into a back and forth exchange on an issue.... and at other times I just feel that I don't want to inundate a thread with messages from me and bore the pants off everyone by being an excessive poster(!) In those cases just clicking a heart of agreement or a minus of disagreement is a way to participate without spending too much time here.

I also remember the thread Microbius refers to, and I think that's another great example of constructive use of the system. (So glad you didn't feel left out to dry).

I don't know about vendettas - I'd like to think that wasn't the case. I have felt a few times that some posters have taken a minus mark far too personally, even though (IIRC) Tyler explained that it was usually meant simply as a disagreement with what was written, rather than any sort of personal attack.

I'm a big fan of happily accepting a difference of opinion... it's the only way to live full-heartedly in a tolerant and free world, and that's a wonderful thing.

BrianM · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2013, 12:17 »

Hi Leaf,
I read here a lot, but don't write often.

For some reason, I don't see a way to vote on posts. I am sure my vote privs were never revoked, maybe I haven't posted enough to be able to vote yet?

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Author Topic: Post Voting Vendetta (Read 11658 times)

leaf

Beppe Grillo

fotografer

CD123

fotografer

CD123

leaf

sharpshot

Beppe Grillo

enstoker

microstockphoto.co.uk

CD123

Dan

Jo Ann Snover

lisafx

CD123

luissantos84

CD123

luissantos84

Beppe Grillo

Microbius

CD123

luissantos84

rubyroo

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