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Title: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Talanis on August 15, 2008, 18:32
I just received this email:

 



After careful consideration of the feedback we've received from the community over the past couple of weeks regarding the soon to be released Photos.com Plus and Jupiterimages Unlimited Plus, we will be making several changes to incorporate your concerns and address key issues. While we hope these changes will be viewed as positive, we will explain them in detail here so you can quickly and easily decide for yourself. As with our last email, we're choosing to include a great deal of detail so you can better understand the issues. Please accept our apologies for the length.

Of 1.8 million images available for licensing on Stockxpert, as of today about 1.3 million are available for inclusion in subscriptions (and growing at about 30,000 a week). So why are we making these changes? Two reasons: first, we want as many contributors as possible participating in these new opportunities, and; second, you were right. Options like extended licenses have value and we should be charging extra for them.

As you'll recall, the new Photos.com Plus (Photos.com+) subscription plan is an extension of Photos.com, one of the oldest and most popular photo subscriptions on the internet. The second opportunity is the coming launch of the Jupiterimages Unlimited Plus subscription, or JIU+. Jupiterimages Unlimited is one of the fastest growing subscription businesses at Jupiterimages and we're excited to add the fresh, stylized images of Stockxpert to the collection.

As both of these new subscriptions are extensions of existing subscriptions with many, many customers, we were faced with the difficult task of creating an end user license agreement (EULA) that met the expectations of current customers as well as contributors. Based on your feedback, we're making the following changes.

Photos.com Plus

We will revise our Photos.com Plus EULA, introduce new extended license options, and adjust our single image pricing.

We will be introducing an Extended License option on Photos.com Plus. It will be sold for $100, and it will grant license for one of the following: physical items for resale , print runs in excess of 250,000, or a 10 user multi-seat license. This was a late addition to Photos.com+, so we had to get creative in how we could build this functionality into the product. Photos.com+ does not support selling a discreet image resolution and a separate extended license, so our solution was to create a new purchase option which would include these rights and the image file itself. As such, logically the extended license option will include the highest resolution JPG or EPS PPD image available.

We have revised and simplified the pricing for single image downloads in two of three instances. Pay per download (PPD) for the two highest resolutions is available to non-subscribers, Photos.com-only subscribers and Photos.com+ subscribers. PPD prices were to be higher for non-subscribers ($219.95/$299.95) and Photos.com-only subscribers ($179.95/$239.95). Based on customer feedback, we think these price points are out of line with the market. We will instead be charging the same price for PPD regardless of whether you're a subscriber or not, and if so, what subscription you have. At launch, all PPD pricing will be at the Photos.com+ subscriber rate, which will be as follows:

     EPS - $50/image (standard license)
     Super (roughly XL on Stockxpert) - $50/image (standard license)
     Extended License - $100 - Includes the highest resolution PPD JPG image available
     or the EPS and a choice of one of the following: physical items for resale, print runs
     in excess of 250,000, or a 10 user multi-seat license.

Now ideally, a Stockxpert contributor should be able to be opted in to subscriptions but opted out of selling extended licenses (although we would hope most would be opted into both). Unfortunately, as this is a last minute change, at launch we will not be able to distinguish between these two settings. So if you want to participate in Photos.com+, you will have to be opted into BOTH subscriptions and extended licenses. We will fix this issue in a patch release within a few months.

Make sure the following boxes are checked in your profile:

     5. Extended License settings
     7. Subscriptions at Stockxpert.com

We will exclude the following usages from the standard Photos.com EULA (which covers Photos.com and Photos.com Plus):

     a. Physical Items for Resale
     b. Print Runs in excess of 250,000
     c. Multi-seats for pay-per-download images
Jupiterimages Unlimited Plus

At launch, we will not be able to sell an extended license on the site although we will be able to do so when a customer calls in, which is what we expect to happen in most cases anyway. This limitation will be messaged in the image details window on JIU+. Accommodating this change in JIU+ proved much more problematic. Our solution for launch is not ideal but again, as with Photos.com+, we will follow up with a patch release in a couple of months to add better functionality and the ability to buy an extended license right from JIU+.

We will revise our JIU EULA and, later, introduce a new extended license option.

We will exclude the following usages from the standard JIU EULA (which covers JIU and JIU+) only for StockXpert content:

     a. Physical Items for Resale
     b. Print Runs in excess of 250,000

Timing

Photos.com+ is launching on or about August 20th. If, based on these changes, you now want to participate in the launch of Photos.com+ and JIU+, you may opt-in at any time. We will update Photos.com Plus and JIU+ with Stockxpert images roughly on a weekly basis.

Image Size Categories

Throughout our communication with you regarding Photos.com+ and JIU+ we have been framing image sizes in context of the Stockxpert sizing standard. As you may have noticed on Photos.com, however, image size categories are different than image size categories on Stockxpert. Because of this there are some discrepancies when mapping Stockxpert images to Photos.com categories.

On Photos.com, only "Super", "Ultra", and EPS sized files are sold as PPDs. "Super" roughly equates to an "XL" Stockxpert image, and an "Ultra" roughly equates to an "XXL" Stockxpert image. An image is categorized as "Super" if its longest side has a length between 3300 and 4824 pixels. An image is categorized as "Ultra" if its longest side is longer than 4824 pixels. If, however, your Stockxpert "XXL" image falls below the pixel length range for an "Ultra", it will be available as a "Super" PPD and EL. We have updated the product grid at http://www.stockxpert.com/lpages/contributor for more information on mapping image size categories.

Going Forward

Later in the year we're going to investigate the possibility of having one EULA for any subscription which includes Stockxpert content. We believe this will go a long way toward simplifying these kinds of issues for contributors and customers alike. If it turns out that this is not practical, for subscriptions that do not conform to the standard Stockxpert subscription EULA, we agree that we should offer specific opt-outs for each non-conforming subscription.

As always thank you for your continued patience, support, and feedback as we work through and implement these changes. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact us at [email protected]

Best regards,
- The Stockxpert Team
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: helix7 on August 15, 2008, 18:40
Excellent news. Thank you.


Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: cdwheatley on August 15, 2008, 18:58
Does this mean its safe to go back in the water  :)
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: astrocady on August 15, 2008, 19:08
I'm not sure what it "really" means.  It "sounds" good, but I waiting for the brains of MicroStockGroup to tell us what it actually means  ;D
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: pancaketom on August 15, 2008, 19:16
I was clearing spam and found that message, It looks like they addressed my main complaints and concerns (EL like usage of subscriptions). I'll have to read the fine print a bit more and see what others think they see, but I am tentatively planning on opting back in. I am glad they provided the option to opt out and noticed that some of us were unhappy and concerned.

--=Tom
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: DanP68 on August 15, 2008, 19:30
I had a feeling the EULA would be changed.  Good news, and I am opting-in again.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: ironarrow on August 15, 2008, 19:48
Great change.. StockXpert did what it should have done..

But..

I am not opting-in yet as I did quite well without subs :D if I continue to do well I might stay out as long as it goes this way..

If I see any of you saying you are doing amazing because of photos.com I might consider opting-in again..

Anyway, thanks Steve and StockXpert.. you have done the right thing..

If only the subs commissions went up :)
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: dgilder on August 15, 2008, 19:57
It covers my main objections, so I am considering opting back in.  Basically, the biggest concern was the EL rights under the old EULA and not being able to opt out.   Now the EL rights are fixed in both cases it definitely becomes more appealing.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: le_cyclope on August 15, 2008, 20:02
From what I read in the above message, it seems to be ok.  May be I should wait to see the new EULA directly from the photos.com site...

I never opted in subs at StockXpert.  But now I am thinking about it because:
- The way StockXpert reacted to what I consider a bad move from them.  I don't know of any other site that listen that much to their contributors, from public forums AND from their own.
- The new EULA seems in line with what I accept on other subs sites; so I think it is fair to give them the same «treatment».

So I'll take a few days to think about it and decide  if I opt in   ;)

Claude
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Pixart on August 15, 2008, 20:17
Viva la Revolution!
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: cphoto on August 15, 2008, 20:24
That's indeed great news!

But my only concern now is the size discrepancies between StockXpert and Photos +.
Most of my XL images with StockXpert are 3000x2000, so my understanding is that they would not qualify for PPD on Photos + because to be XL you have to be 3300 pixels on the largest size.

Am I understanding it right?
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Pixart on August 15, 2008, 20:36
On Photos.com, only "Super", "Ultra", and EPS sized files are sold as PPDs. "Super" roughly equates to an "XL" Stockxpert image, and an "Ultra" roughly equates to an "XXL" Stockxpert image. An image is categorized as "Super" if its longest side has a length between 3300 and 4824 pixels. An image is categorized as "Ultra" if its longest side is longer than 4824 pixels. If, however, your Stockxpert "XXL" image falls below the pixel length range for an "Ultra", it will be available as a "Super" PPD and EL.

Ah.... yes.  The "Super" is just short of a 16mp camera and that excludes a majority of us from PPD's.

But does that exclude us from subscribers Photos.com's?

Should I be jumping around screaming whoo-hoo, I qualify for 30 cent downloads only!!! or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: le_cyclope on August 15, 2008, 20:43
On my 40D, the longuest side is 3888 px; so my 10 Mpx Canon qualify for a Super but not an Ultra.

Pixart, you should re-do your math!  ;)
Claude
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Talanis on August 15, 2008, 20:48
3300 roughly equal to 7MP and Ultra to 15MP if I do my math ok.

Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: cphoto on August 15, 2008, 20:49
On my 40D, the longuest side is 3888 px; so my 10 Mpx Canon qualify for a Super but not an Ultra.

Pixart, you should re-do your math!  ;)
Claude

Yes, but on the 10D images are 3072 x 2048, so even if they have been XL for ever on StockXpert and other micro, they will be now L with Photos + and will not qualify for PPD.  That sucks because my 600+ pictures are 3000x2000 :(
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Pixart on August 15, 2008, 20:50
Thanks Claude, for some reason I was multiplying 3300 x 4824.  

I knew I would look really stupid if I typed the word whoo-hoo.  
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: cybernesco on August 15, 2008, 20:58
Quote
Should I be jumping around screaming whoo-hoo, I qualify for 30 cent downloads only!!! or am I missing something?

It seems that any size would qualify for the EL as the following is mention:

Extended License - $100 - Includes the highest resolution PPD JPG image available

It looks good but I still have to think about this. Denis


Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: cybernesco on August 15, 2008, 21:10
Quote
Should I be jumping around screaming whoo-hoo, I qualify for 30 cent downloads only!!! or am I missing something?

It seems that any size would qualify for the EL as the following is mention:

Extended License - $100 - Includes the highest resolution PPD JPG image available

It looks good but I still have to think about this. Denis


Oops... I could be wrong on the above mention as the EL would have to be qualified as  PPD first which dictate the size super or ultra?  Denis
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: cphoto on August 15, 2008, 21:12
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Should I be jumping around screaming whoo-hoo, I qualify for 30 cent downloads only!!! or am I missing something?

It seems that any size would qualify for the EL as the following is mention:

Extended License - $100 - Includes the highest resolution PPD JPG image available

It looks good but I still have to think about this. Denis




Not really because a 6MP image would not be XL with photos + hence not available with PPD...
So according to the EULA if the image is not available in PPD, it will be not available as EL.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Phil on August 15, 2008, 21:12
Its great that everyones concerns have been listened to and that once again changes were made because of contributors concerns. restores some faith :):)

basically I read it as sub price doesn't include el licence but the ppd is now cheaper (and probably more likely to get the sale?).  Personally I'm no fan of subs at all, but accept that is part of the nature of the business and this has addressed my main concerns with photos.com and so I will opt back in (but will watch what happens with JIU. when it comes about)

Phil

Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: ErickN on August 15, 2008, 21:20
Anyway, XL or XXL files will still sell for a meager $0.30 royalty on JIU+, instead of $5 or $7.5 on StockXpert. No PPD there. I'll stay opted out, thanks.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: photoshow on August 15, 2008, 21:35
Well I am impressed that they really did listen to us and even more impressed that they took action on what we said. I guess it goes to show that we really do have the power to bring about change. Thank you Steve and the StockXpert and JI teams. Your level headed business response to the situation is greatly appreciated.

I am sure that the size discrepancies will be a deterring issue for some if it disqualifies them from PPD on Photos.com. I am not sure if the percentage of images affected will be significant enough to warrant a change or maybe the launch of a smaller (read less expensive) Large size PPD option. I do however suspect that if the volume of images available for PPD is significantly impacted by the sizing issue that it will be addressed.

Ok so now I am off to opt back in to Subs and Photos.com. I think I will still hold off on opting into Partner Licensing until partners are actually announced and we have the opportunity to see how those deals will be structured.

Thanks again StockXpert and JI for restoring a bit of my faith in the Agency side of this Industry.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: lisafx on August 15, 2008, 22:29
I agree with Bobby.  Very nice indeed that StockXpert has listened to us! 

I will wait a bit to digest these terms, but my initial reaction is that they have addressed all my concerns about the EULA.  Unless there is some fly in the ointment that I am missing, I will probably be opting back in. 

Thanks Stockxpert and Steve in particular for all the time, thought, and effort you have put into this.  :)
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: dgilder on August 15, 2008, 22:45
Looking at the grid they provide, it suggests that purchasing EL will be available on all StockXpert cross-content regardless of size.  I believe the confusion is just from the way they worded the explanation of sizes in their email.   Still, it would be nice to have confirmation one way or the other.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: rinderart on August 15, 2008, 23:59
I agree with Bobby.  Very nice indeed that StockXpert has listened to us! 

I will wait a bit to digest these terms, but my initial reaction is that they have addressed all my concerns about the EULA.  Unless there is some fly in the ointment that I am missing, I will probably be opting back in. 

Thanks Stockxpert and Steve in particular for all the time, thought, and effort you have put into this.  :)

Agree.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: borg on August 16, 2008, 02:16
Number of views explode in my portfolio after breaking news...

I will OPT IN!


P.S.

If, however, your Stockxpert "XXL" image falls below the pixel length range for an "Ultra", it will be available as a "Super" PPD and EL.

So!

Super (roughly XL on Stockxpert)

Our XL on StockXpert goes into EL!!

Am I wrong!?
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: sharpshot on August 16, 2008, 03:39
At first look, I am pleased with these changes but still disappointed with 30 cents for subs downloads.  I don't understand why more people are not mentioning the fact that their subs commissions are lower than istock, SS, DT, FT and 123rf.  As their pay per download commissions are good, I would expect them to increase subs commissions.

The other big 6 sites have raised their prices this year while StockXpert has stuck with 30 cents.  It doesn't feel good making 28% less than SS on every subs download.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: ironarrow on August 16, 2008, 06:13
subs commissions again!!!

I still don't feel like opting-in after and amazing PPD week..

I will opt-in as soon as they increase the subs commissions.. but 30cents is not enough..

I am pleased for people who feel desperation to opt-in but this is still not fair..

I wish we stood for subs increase just like we did for ELs..

But I see happily bending knees on most contributors..

This is like we should have been in heaven.. But they only wanted to give us the world.. By showing us . first, they made us content with the world.. Now, they don't have to give us the heaven anymore??

They must be saying.. "The reaction is good, now these underpaid slaves will be quiet for another year while we eat all the extra subs commissions money.."

Yes, thanks StockXpert... Thank you for screwing us less..

It is not that I am not pleased.. I am.. Who would not want to be screwed less?!

This is fashionable now.. So, I will join you guys.. Thank you StockXpert.. You have been amazing.. I will shut up for a year now, and won't mention subs commissions just because you gave me my own rights to EL files..

I am sure this was the plan.. A way to not increase commission on subs.. "Let's just propose something totally unreasonable and then pull it back so while they are all mad they won't even mention subs.."

Great!!

Thank you StockXpert!!
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Talanis on August 16, 2008, 06:44
subs commissions again!!!

I still don't feel like opting-in after and amazing PPD week..

I will opt-in as soon as they increase the subs commissions.. but 30cents is not enough..

I am pleased for people who feel desperation to opt-in but this is still not fair..

I wish we stood for subs increase just like we did for ELs..

But I see happily bending knees on most contributors..

This is like we should have been in heaven.. But they only wanted to give us the world.. By showing us . first, they made us content with the world.. Now, they don't have to give us the heaven anymore??

They must be saying.. "The reaction is good, now these underpaid slaves will be quiet for another year while we eat all the extra subs commissions money.."

Yes, thanks StockXpert... Thank you for screwing us less..

It is not that I am not pleased.. I am.. Who would not want to be screwed less?!

This is fashionable now.. So, I will join you guys.. Thank you StockXpert.. You have been amazing.. I will shut up for a year now, and won't mention subs commissions just because you gave me my own rights to EL files..

I am sure this was the plan.. A way to not increase commission on subs.. "Let's just propose something totally unreasonable and then pull it back so while they are all mad they won't even mention subs.."

Great!!

Thank you StockXpert!!

Nobody forces you to opt-in for sub or to sell at StockXpert.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Jimi King on August 16, 2008, 07:04
All seems fair enough to me. I'm happy. Life's too short. I've already ticked the boxes.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Allsa on August 16, 2008, 07:29
Thank you for addressing our concerns, StockXpert, I opted in.

Linda B.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: leaf on August 16, 2008, 11:00
yeah, echo here about a thanks to StockXpert for listening to the contributors and to Steve for responding to comments and listening.

I too think this looks good now, so I will be opting back in and seeing if i get many sales from photos.com and StockXpert+  hopefully we should see how it goes fairly quickly as they are both established sites and if there are downloads they should be coming in fairly quickly.

One thing I did notice in the previous week (the first time i was ever opted out of subs) is that my sales didn't get hurt at all, i received a number of XL sales that I never received before...  so if there isn't very many sales at photos.com I will have to consider (and test) which makes more money.. geting extra sub sales, or getting XL downloads....
HOWEVER, the possibility of getting PPD sales on photos.com is also a great plus for that site so hopefully it works out to be considerably more profitable to be with photos.com
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: lisafx on August 16, 2008, 11:12
I just opted back in.

Like Leaf, though, I experienced a marked increase in L and XL sales after opting out.  Will have to see if the volume on Photos.com makes up for the loss of the XL sales. 

To those who are still not happy with this deal because of subscription prices, I am fairly certain that after StockXpert sees how this collection will sell on photos.com they will probably raise subscription payouts.  Meanwhile they have left you the ability to opt out.

StockXpert have repeatedly shown good faith and willingness to work out equitable solutions.  Personally I feel they have met us more than halfway on this and deserve the benefit of the doubt.  I am happy to reward their efforts by opting in.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Pixart on August 16, 2008, 12:00
I have opted back into subs, but I must admit, it is with a bit of a sick feeling.  I hate to endorse 30 cents per download, but I will give this a whirl because I am grateful to StockXpert for not saying "our way or the highway" and I will see what happens.  Hopefully we can distinguish between the two plans in our sales reporting.

The rest of this post might be moot if the (c) has changed, if it did I missed it.

One thing that troubles me though is that images say "property of Photos.com" or "Jupiter Images".  Did I miss where this point changed at all, or are we still anonymous contributors to this program?  What about the name brands that everyone has worked so hard to build. 

Are we anonymous so buyers cannot easily search our names on another site to find their ppd's for different prices?

But, when it comes to "search fairness" we will not all be equal?  The buyers won't be able to find a style they love - and click through to, say, Yuri's portfolio and shop there for more images.   Maybe the sales will be more evenly spread out? 

I'm still uncomfortable if my Intellectual Property will be flogged without my name beside the copyright.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Karimala on August 16, 2008, 12:06
At first look, I am pleased with these changes but still disappointed with 30 cents for subs downloads.  I don't understand why more people are not mentioning the fact that their subs commissions are lower than istock, SS, DT, FT and 123rf.  As their pay per download commissions are good, I would expect them to increase subs commissions.

The other big 6 sites have raised their prices this year while StockXpert has stuck with 30 cents.  It doesn't feel good making 28% less than SS on every subs download.

Paddy said on the conference call that a raise in commission will come further down the road.  StockXpert's subscription service is still less than a year old, and they want to give it more time so they can look at the numbers to see what's feasible.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: astrocady on August 16, 2008, 12:50
StockXpert have repeatedly shown good faith and willingness to work out equitable solutions.  Personally I feel they have met us more than halfway on this and deserve the benefit of the doubt.  I am happy to reward their efforts by opting in.

I agree 100%
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: astrocady on August 16, 2008, 12:57
I have opted back into subs, but I must admit, it is with a bit of a sick feeling.  I hate to endorse 30 cents per download, but I will give this a whirl because I am grateful to StockXpert for not saying "our way or the highway" and I will see what happens.  Hopefully we can distinguish between the two plans in our sales reporting.

The rest of this post might be moot if the (c) has changed, if it did I missed it.

One thing that troubles me though is that images say "property of Photos.com" or "Jupiter Images".  Did I miss where this point changed at all, or are we still anonymous contributors to this program?  What about the name brands that everyone has worked so hard to build. 

Are we anonymous so buyers cannot easily search our names on another site to find their ppd's for different prices?

But, when it comes to "search fairness" we will not all be equal?  The buyers won't be able to find a style they love - and click through to, say, Yuri's portfolio and shop there for more images.   Maybe the sales will be more evenly spread out? 

I'm still uncomfortable if my Intellectual Property will be flogged without my name beside the copyright.


The following is from http://www.stockxpert.com/lpages/contributor/

Quote
Copyright of Images
As it relates to the ownership of your images, the EULA does state:

"The Image(s) are copyrighted and protected under the various laws of the United States, International treaties and other applicable laws. The Image(s) shall remain the sole and exclusive property of JUPITERIMAGES, or its licensors. Use of the Images is licensed, not sold, pursuant to the terms of this Agreement. Use of the Images without agreeing to this Agreement, or a breach of these Agreement terms, is copyright infringement."

We just want to clarify that YOU are the "or its licensors" it mentions. This part of the agreement simply means that no one can claim ownership or copyright on the images that are downloaded from any of the Jupiterimages family of websites.

Please note that we will be addressing the artist name on the image details page for copyright acknowledgment post-launch.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Pixart on August 16, 2008, 13:14
Thanks for that.  I guess the keywords then are:

Please note that we will be addressing the artist name on the image details page for copyright acknowledgment post-launch.

Hopefully post-launch means immediately after launch, and not a few years down the road.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: ironarrow on August 16, 2008, 17:22
Guys!! Dolls!!

Keep in mind that StockXpert is in no way reasonable!

Why do you keep thanking them just because they stopped being totally unreasonable!!

There is nothing to thank!

This is nothing new.. EL's can NOT be given away for 0.30cents anyway.. At least I wasn't gonna give them away like that no matter what StockXpert decides..

I am not thanking them just because they came to sense for not selling ELs for 0.30 cents..

What we should be discussing is the subs commissions..

OMG, how slave are you!
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Microbius on August 17, 2008, 08:10
Guys!! Dolls!!

Keep in mind that StockXpert is in no way reasonable!

Why do you keep thanking them just because they stopped being totally unreasonable!!

There is nothing to thank!

This is nothing new.. EL's can NOT be given away for 0.30cents anyway.. At least I wasn't gonna give them away like that no matter what StockXpert decides..

I am not thanking them just because they came to sense for not selling ELs for 0.30 cents..

What we should be discussing is the subs commissions..

OMG, how slave are you!
If you are trying to get people on side I suggest you start by not insulting them quite so much and follow up by not being quite so arrogant in you tone.
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: ironarrow on August 17, 2008, 08:48
Guys!! Dolls!!

Keep in mind that StockXpert is in no way reasonable!

Why do you keep thanking them just because they stopped being totally unreasonable!!

There is nothing to thank!

This is nothing new.. EL's can NOT be given away for 0.30cents anyway.. At least I wasn't gonna give them away like that no matter what StockXpert decides..

I am not thanking them just because they came to sense for not selling ELs for 0.30 cents..

What we should be discussing is the subs commissions..

OMG, how slave are you!
If you are trying to get people on side I suggest you start by not insulting them quite so much and follow up by not being quite so arrogant in you tone.

I actually do not insult people from heart.. Sorry for picking the wrong words.. I see how it sounds..

I was just trying to create some awareness!!
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: madelaide on August 17, 2008, 17:27
It was a noice surprise to see this news in my mailbox today.  However, I'll stay opted out because of my overall disagreement with the subs model.  Again, it's not about our commission, but about the incredibly cheap prices of subs images. 

When I was still opted-in, I had one new image sold 4 times, only in subs.  Months later, I sold it other 5 times, making almost 10x what I earned in 4 subs.  Subs buyers won't buy credits just to buy my image?  I couldn't care less about these rapine birds.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Late breaking news: New EULA
Post by: Phil on August 17, 2008, 17:54
Guys!! Dolls!!

Keep in mind that StockXpert is in no way reasonable!

Why do you keep thanking them just because they stopped being totally unreasonable!!

There is nothing to thank!

This is nothing new.. EL's can NOT be given away for 0.30cents anyway.. At least I wasn't gonna give them away like that no matter what StockXpert decides..

I am not thanking them just because they came to sense for not selling ELs for 0.30 cents..

What we should be discussing is the subs commissions..

OMG, how slave are you!


the cynic in me did wonder about this briefly, the trusty petrol company / government tactic, ie announce taxes going up 5% then just before it happens say no only 2% and everyone then says 'oh good' only 2%.  everyone was worried about el, so didn't argue with 30cents.

but that is being cynical and I prefer my optimistic, overly trusting and happy side :) hopefully in a little while we will see an increase :)