i think it is hard to answer because we no NOTHING about the affiliate branding yet.. or there is no affiliates so how can we say one way or the other....

or are you meaning photos.com and JI unlimited.

My questions are mainly about the immediate introduction of photos.com and the imposed deadline of August 15.  There has been a lot of emotion over this new proposal, and a lot of public threats made ("I'm gonna leave, pull my best sellers, go exlusive elsewhere").  It seems to me to be a good compromise on StockXpert's behalf, but so many are angry about the licensing terms that if they all opt-out it may totally destroy StockXpert's subs program that they have developed over the last year.

I have already made my desicion, I am not trying to sway voters.  But I would like to know how everyone is reacting to StockXpert's concessions.

Re, the 15th deadline:  from reviewing various forum posts, I think that some are under the impression that there is an "annual" opt-in/out.  See Steves quote below:  if you don't like the current program but something new is introduced in the future that may offset this one - you can opt-in.

#1 If you want your images included or exclude by the august 20 launch date, then please make your decision by August 15. You can opt-in or out at any time after that. The database is sync'ed once a week, so your images will be include or excluded during the week that you make your decision.

A trial would be by individual definition.  It doesn't mean "I'll opt-in and never think about it again", it means "I'll opt in but I won't be passive in my evaluation".

- I think that StockXpert contributors are pretty loyal and want to help them grow and for the time will give them the benefit of trust but are uncertain or overwhelmed by the attention this subject has received.
- Perhaps they feel they have been rewarded by the subs program at StockXpert, but are hesitant about the photos.com subs program yet they do not want to opt out of the StockXpert subs program
- Perhaps they are uncertain, but can't stand the immediate thought of lost income
- Perhaps they have read too much in these forums and want to try it out for themselves.

One quote I've read on StockXpert forum that is sticking with me was something like this:  "I'm going to buy all the Ron Chapple photos and open myself a Ron Chapple Store on e-bay and keep all the profits for myself."  Sorry to single out Iofoto, but that is what someone else posted on StockXpert.   I am thinking that if I found a store with my products that were purchased legally on photos.com I would opt-out pretty fast. 

Many reasons.  And many reasons to opt-out on trial basis as well.  This is just the beginning.  The next partnership may be fabulous.  Or the terms of this photos.com agreement may change.  Who knows.

On the current proposition (Photos.com), I am surely out, as well as I had already opted-out from subs in StockXpert before that, and I would in other sites if I could.

Any changes in Photos.com proposition that still requires me to accept subs, I would probably refuse it too. For instance, the exclusion of EL terms in the subs would not change my position.

About future propositions, of course I can't give an opinion right now, but anything that pushes us to subs is already a problem to me.

Regards,
Adelaide

Subs is a big problem.. But even bigger problem is that photos.com gives them away for free..

1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95  WHAT!!!! Did someone say $449.95???!!!!! This is so much cheaper than any sub deal in this bloody industry..

Again: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95 What?!!! No, this can't be true.. Someone give me a gun.. There is robbery and the police is watching..

Who are we?!! Charity workers??!!

Hello StockXpert!!! StockXpert!! Are you there???!!!

Who cares about EL's?.. This is much worse: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95

Oh my god!! This can't be true.. Please tell me it's not true.. It 's like $0.0001c  per image..

Everybody read this: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95

Go and compare it with other sites.. Can't you see what they are doing to "US"

Can't you see that in the near future this might mean SS lowering sub commissions rightfully..

Anyone who opts-in deserves to be treated like a piece of crap..

Quote from: madelaide on August 12, 2008, 12:37

On the current proposition (Photos.com), I am surely out, as well as I had already opted-out from subs in StockXpert before that, and I would in other sites if I could.

Any changes in Photos.com proposition that still requires me to accept subs, I would probably refuse it too. For instance, the exclusion of EL terms in the subs would not change my position.

About future propositions, of course I can't give an opinion right now, but anything that pushes us to subs is already a problem to me.

Regards,
Adelaide

Subs is a big problem.. But even bigger problem is that photos.com gives them away for free..

1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95  WHAT!!!! Did someone say $449.95???!!!!! This is so much cheaper than any sub deal in this bloody industry..

Again: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95 What?!!! No, this can't be true.. Someone give me a gun.. There is robbery and the police is watching..

Who are we?!! Charity workers??!!

Hello StockXpert!!! StockXpert!! Are you there???!!!

Who cares about EL's?.. This is much worse: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95

Oh my god!! This can't be true.. Please tell me it's not true.. It 's like $0.0001c  per image..

Everybody read this: 1-YEAR Subscription U.S. $449.95

Go and compare it with other sites.. Can't you see what they are doing to "US"

Can't you see that in the near future this might mean SS lowering sub commissions rightfully..

Anyone who opts-in deserves to be treated like a piece of crap..

450$ a year is for regular photos.com annual sub. It is for their own photos, not for the StockXpert photos. The subscription details and prices are not out yet for the Photos.com Plus (or whatever the exact name will be) but it will cost more for sure if they don't want to go bankrupt. So, to answer your yth line: it's not true

I will wait to see the final deal before deciding if I opt-in. We'll see this in about a week I guess.

Strangely, I'm having a very good month at StockXpert. Only the 12th and I'm almost on a BME.

And you are probably having a BME due to hundreds of contributors opting-out and the subscribers have to buy from you

Yes, I think eveyone should leave StockXpert and so I would get those buyers.  I'm also having a good month there.  Maybe not a BME, but possibly even better than last months, and that's without subs.

Regards,
Adelaide

Quote from: ironarrow on August 12, 2008, 15:56

And you are probably having a BME due to hundreds of contributors opting-out and the subscribers have to buy from you

Yes, I think eveyone should leave StockXpert and so I would get those buyers.  I'm also having a good month there.  Maybe not a BME, but possibly even better than last months, and that's without subs.

Regards,
Adelaide

Well, I know I am still gonna have a payout.. But no BME.. My BME was over $200 so it won't happen..

Well, let's wait and see. It would be pity to dump StockXpert, it is a good site.

The EULA on Photos.com plus will be basically be the same as the one on StockXpert. If you were signed up for subs on StockXpert before the move to Photos.com, why would you sign out if the conditions are the same?

the conditions on photos.com allow for extended license use included in the .30cent comission, where as on StockXpert they have to buy an seperate extended license (costing between $25-$100)