I've rather enjoyed the recent forum troll invasion. It made me laugh. Although a lot of criticism was delivered in the most tasteless way possible, the roast was pretty fun - and there was definitely a method to the madness .

Seriously though I'm enjoying my break not being the Aladdin's Genie of  Symbiostock for a while. But wanted to pop in for this small suggestion -

Regardless of what people may think many of the issues mentioned for what Symbiostock lacks has been in the plan since before its first release. Now that we're pushing up to 70 sites, maybe some parts of the plan have to happen faster?

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HUB SITES

Quality control is needed, no? And people work hard to give quality should have the advantage of providing that, no? And how do you do this without stepping on the feet of hobbyists who own Symbiostock sites?

Hub sites! Here is what a hub site should provide (in theory) and I'll divide this list between what you can do now, and future custom functionality.

• Central license sets, referenced by each site. Instead of having a link to your own random license, which is confusing for customers, you'd all share distinct licenses on your hub (team) site.
• Statements and examples of quality, quality control, etc. Things you'd like your shared customers to see.
• Pricing breakdowns and explanations.

What you will have to wait for...but is in the plan

• Spidering and central search abilities.
• Centralized carts.
• Centralized author automatically updated.

It goes without being said that a "Hub site" could be the "beacon" of its connected sites, being well designed, attractive, and definitely engaging for customers and earning trust.

You could hunt down some sort of Buddypress theme complete with forum capabilities. Keep it simple. Link your sites to it.

Although I've been against centralization, its obvious - there's many types of people who have common interests. Different types of portfolios might be better off complementing eachother with a central advert site, and a place where customers can interact.

Also I'm well aware that there are design agencies who would just LOVE to be connected with the talent in this way.


Best of all - you don't need me for this. Some of you experts may wish to start setting up expert groups and putting this in motion.

I don't like this.. linking to each other is going to work well eventually..

People are just too impatient for sales and it makes them constantly come up with ideas that we don't "really" need..

Let's just focus on improving what we currently have, instead of complicating it..

Well that's the beauty of Sym - we don't have to all do the same thing.

However, thinking about it, I'm still keen on the hub idea. I can see a group of hubs - lifestyle, food, travel, where those interested can put their relevant files. We'd all have the same EULA and a centralised shopping cart, possibly same prices? I don't know about prices, I've got files I'm happy to sell for a dollar or two, others, not. Whether the cart would be individual to the hub, or sit above all the hubs, I don't know.

Hopefully, more people will be interested and join in with ideas.

Nice opening lines, Leo.

I see you take things into consideration.

Someone need to make a drawing with skematics and funktion diagrams.
When first you have that, you can see how traffic should be directed.

Quote from: JPSDK on July 18, 2013, 00:34

Someone need to make a drawing with skematics and funktion diagrams.
When first you have that, you can see how traffic should be directed.

Here you go -

Thats pretty accurate: The hub attracts the insects (is that how you perceive customers?) with false promises and they drop down into the shops, where they die, so they can never shop again.

Thats how the system works now. Its not good enough. It is a shot in the foot.

Would you rather me use the agency model involving fly paper?

This one is creative and dynamic, not to mention more humane.

Yours is pretty cliche, though differs little from mine because mine already involves plenty of "buzz" along with the occasional zap.

Here's a pretty good example of how to exhibit data:

edit - here's the one I was lookign for --> http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/4tjw94/important-things-with-demetri-martin-coolness---some-data

http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/twihl4/important-things-with-demetri-martin-brains---some-data

(you may have to wait a bit for the vid to start)

Before I sign off, its worth mentioning (for those stuck on the literal) that this is just funny stuff. A REAL hub site would be far more purposeful, actually keeping the mosquito alive, and giving him his dignity as a human. I just wanted to have  a little fun.

Please resume the serious conversation below the dashed line:

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Quote from: JPSDK on July 18, 2013, 02:21

However it wont take much more of your arrogance and demeaning before I close the door and stop helping you. I can understand that you have worked hard and have come far, but it is still not good enough, and you first of all need to realize that.

I'm sorry I genuinely thought you were messing around (joking) and being humorous here:

"Someone need to make a drawing with skematics and funktion diagrams.
When first you have that, you can see how traffic should be directed."

If you look at my history in this forum I don't talk down to people, though I've been accused of it in some misunderstandings. I do joke however! I fully understand where your going and its perfectly logical. I simply thought that the things you mentioned were an assumed part of the process and didn't require charts...hence I assumed we had opened a humorous channel.

I guess I'll just stick to writing code 

Didn't mean to offend.

This:  I've rather enjoyed the recent forum troll invasion. It made me laugh. Although a lot of criticism was delivered in the most tasteless way possible, the roast was pretty fun - and there was definitely a method to the madness

Well now you have a proven history of being offensive. And since I do not have any sense of humour, I do not find it funny. It is arrogant, it is talking down to and it is demeaning.
Same the other day with the popcorns, which you also tried to camouflage as humour.

I did what I did because I had high hopes for symbiostock. I was serious with every word. And I was not there to stirr up or destroy things.
I saw you were moving in a counterproductive direction and wanted to kick ass to make it stop.

I have now, since yesterday. Come to a depressing conclusion:

symbiostock is not viable as a serious business attempt.
the construction is too risky and the code is out of control.
the arrangement cannot be geared up to a professional amount of traffic.
the construction is open to all sorts of piracy, scams, parasitism and theft.
many of the users are not interested in cooperation


it can, however, be used as a case study

And it might be worht while to start all over again, with secure code.
With that i mean, that if serious business is going to take place, you must have the code secured in a bunker in Fort Knox, so that it cannot be interrupted.

I did what I did because I had high hopes for symbiostock. I was serious with every word. And I was not there to stirr up or destroy things.
I saw you were moving in a counterproductive direction and wanted to kick ass to make it stop.

I have now, since yesterday. Come to a depressing conclusion:

symbiostock is not viable as a serious business attempt.
the construction is too risky and the code is out of control.
the arrangement cannot be geared up to a professional amount of traffic.
the construction is open to all sorts of piracy, scams, parasitism and theft.
many of the users are not interested in cooperation


it can, however, be used as a case study

And it might be worht while to start all over again, with secure code.
With that i mean, that if serious business is going to take place, you must have the code secured in a bunker in Fort Knox, so that it cannot be interrupted.

hmm............ I personally think that Leo has done an amazing job he is both an excellent code writer and a great inspiration. If the project wasn't successful then why are there now 67 sites   67319 images?

What if you died and what if bluehost died or what if you work for bluehost?

In both cases, are you selling images? If  yes, then it doesn't matter. Edit - I'm not dying and I don't work for Bluehost.

who controls the code, and who can pull the carpet.

Its open source! You can not only stick with the version your happy with, but you can easily take the code and do what you want with it. You own the carpet mostly.

who is who?

On the internet?

What if one of the shop is actually an istock employee?
--- edit - I don't think people like my humor.

What if suddently a shop appears with 2 mill pictures? for free?

Start downloading!

what if paypal closes?

Have backup food and ammo ready.

what if someone copies a shop 200 times?

He has too much time on his hands.

What if one of the shops is not a shop but an ID theft machine?

What info is submitted to a Symbiostock site?

Well, I am quite tired as I have been most of the day and must sign out now. After everyone has finished having their say I will be locking the thread tomorrow morning with a link to the two classier discussions on this subject. I think we've gotten a little away from the subject.