Author Topic: Noise and shared hosting limits... (Read 2939 times)

click_click · « **on:** July 03, 2013, 19:09 »

Leo keeps talking about being the noisy neighbor on the server when running a Symbiostock site. That got me thinking.

I've installed one Symbiostock site so far which is more or less as a test with only a fraction of my portfolio to get the hang of the whole operation. It will remain on the network, so I'm trying to get everything right from the get go.

Eventually I will add a second Symbiostock site on another domain for the rest of my port.

As most of us are hosted on shared hosting packages and after realizing the "big" amount of bandwidth from obviously very few customers performing searches across the network, I started to get concerned.

I'm with Hostgator and like Bluehost they advertise that we have no limits (storage space/bandwidth) which we all know is bogus. No company can offer unlimited and when I did research for my web host, I saw very often that customers were lured into such packages but eventually got kicked off the servers because they created too much ... noise (running forums etc.). I also understand that every host has its own limitations before they actually kick you out and they will let you know beforehand. I'm just not in the mood, having to move my entire Symbiostock installation, including images to another host just because I ignored the potential noise factor.

Whether it's memory usage or bandwidth issues, I'm starting to get worried that network searches (thumbnail transfers, enlarged preview transfers etc.) will eventually explode once customers keep performing searches from any given Symbiostock site.

Are my concerns negligible or may this become a serious issue down the road?

I almost pray that my questions are too stupid and there is nothing to worry about. I'm just not a pro when it comes to high volume traffic issues etc. because Symbiostock hopefully and eventually will become a high traffic beast, right?

Thanks in advance.

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #1 on:** July 03, 2013, 19:30 »

Your concerns are very real and quite valid.

Without getting into an autobiography with my own site, lets just say you need to start locking down now. You can amazingly lower your bandwidth using two wordpress plugins:

BAD BEHAVIOR

WP SUPER CACHE

And of course a good CAPTCHA for #3.

The majority of your traffic will come from spammers if they learn your site is not locked down. For instance spammers where giving me 20k requests an hour on a certain wordpress file, just to crack it open. Secondarily will come the bots...good and bad.

Caching keeps your site speed up which also helps search rank.

If your STILL having traffic extremes, due to humans...then its just a matter of upgrading to dedicated. But if you have enough HUMANS using bandwidth on your site, then you should be able to afford a dedicated server easily because they would not be there unless they intended to buy.

Overall no need to panic...just inconvenience yourself a little and learn WP-Super cache and Bad behavior...you will have to amend their filters a bit so as not to over-ride certain dynamic functions the theme needs.

Another thing worth noting:

If you guys had dedicated hosting you could do ANYTHING. I run scripts for hours if needed. I crunched all of Christos images within a few hours of straight processing, and some of them were quite large. I can also send out emails without mom telling me to be quiet. But I'd never suggest anyone to start that way since that would be perfectly unreasonable if your not aware of what your sales potential is.

The reason I've suggested this BLUEHOST package (although its not perfection) is it gives you what you need to start. Your still going to deal with the bandwidth and resource traffic cops unfortunately. But as you grow, you can grow upward and outward when your self-sufficient in sales and knowledge. Right now you lose very very little - about the same for a cheap hobby.

This really covers everything you'd have to be concerned with. I just posted it. Maybe someone can donate a tutorial or two to http://www.symbioguides.com/

cathyslife · « **Reply #2 on:** July 03, 2013, 19:40 »

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And of course a good CAPTCHA for #3.

I have been watching the threads here regarding captchas and it seems like people are having issues finding one that works. Leo, can you recommend one that works well with the SY theme?

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #3 on:** July 03, 2013, 20:01 »

Hopefully we won't need them much more with a cookie cart implementation, but I simply use a basic one that asks simple math questions.

Truly I think putting one less blockade between the customer and sale is really the last issue for me, and not really a big one either.

cascoly · « **Reply #4 on:** July 03, 2013, 21:11 »

I've never used captchas

my symbio runs on justhost, my others on 1and1 -- even with high bandwidth online games I've never come close to the boundaries -- if the searches are being done by the global search engines or by other sites, you're only going to get minimal bandwidth in accessing your minipics; and as leo says, if it becomes a problem, you're a success!

getting views and traffic are much bigger concerns than worrying about exceeding your allowance

steve

klsbear · « **Reply #5 on:** July 03, 2013, 21:23 »

Quote from: Leo on July 03, 2013, 19:30

Overall no need to panic...just inconvenience yourself a little and learn WP-Super cache and Bad behavior...you will have to amend their filters a bit so as not to over-ride certain dynamic functions the theme needs.

Is there another post that indicates what we need to amend in the filters so they don't over-ride the theme's dynamic functions?

click_click · « **Reply #6 on:** July 03, 2013, 21:24 »

Quote from: cclapper on July 03, 2013, 19:40

... Leo, can you recommend one that works well with the SY theme?

I'm using "SI CAPTCHA Anti-Spam" and didn't have any problems yet.

steheap · « **Reply #7 on:** July 04, 2013, 09:03 »

I'm running Anti-Captcha - that seems to work fine for me. Certainly no spam registrations and when I try it myself to register a new account it is fine

Steve

ajt · « **Reply #8 on:** July 04, 2013, 09:54 »

Every Symbio site is very noisy - each time someone is searching for something, he is searching not only in this site, but in ten (sometimes more) network sites. We all want bots to index our sites. They visit my site 1000, sometimes more than 2000 times per day. It depends of number of images and keywords. It is not big number, but suppose, that in future your site become more popular and 100 other sites will have it in their networks. Each time every of that 100 sites will be searched by bot, your site will be searched too, so you can have over 100000 "visits" per day, and you can be forced to move to dedicated server, only because of bots activity

Network cache helps to decrease this bots searching "noise". Some of you can have it set to 7 days (early versions) others can have 14 days. I think that something about 20 days is optimal, so I suggest all of you to go to Network page and put that number there. Out sites will be less noisy then

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