Author Topic: Centralized Registration and EULA (Read 11376 times)

cascoly · « **Reply #25 on:** July 18, 2013, 01:42 »

Quote from: Ron on July 18, 2013, 01:18

The division has started, it was inevitable, but because a few people without a SYS site threw a tantrum about what Symbiostock is not, we now have a divided community. I am sorry, this is not what I am interested in all. I dont want to deal with this stuff, I started a SYS site to get away from some agencies, now it seems I am need to deal with the same crap in Symbiostock. I am out guys, I am following my own path. I apologize. I will be interested in upgrades and premium features, and being part of the network as is, but I will not be part of standardization. Its the opposite of what I had in mind when I started my site. I will keep an open mind and if I see benefits, I am not that stubborn to change my mind. But I dont want the headaches and frustrations of discussing this and trying to come to a working solution. Sorry guys.

what are you talking about? there's no division (or no more than there has always been - with dff eula, diff rankings, diff prices, etc, etc) - the sym network is EXACTLY what it was. the global search is EXACTLY what it was. and no one has suggested doing that any differently

some of us are talking about a separate way to show our potfolios. it doesn't affect you at all if you choose not to participate.

Ron · « **Reply #26 on:** July 18, 2013, 03:45 »

I am not saying its affecting my site, I am simply saying I dont want to deal with making these decissions now, its giving me flashbacks of the frustration I have to deal with at the agencies, something I want to get away from.

But I apologise for my wording, its emotional, and I should have worded myself differently. So I apologise for that. I am sorry.

I am going to step away from this discussion and let other, smarter people, work this out.

I am still happy to be part of Symbiostock, and proud of it too.

grsphoto · « **Reply #27 on:** July 18, 2013, 07:47 »

Quote from: Ron on July 18, 2013, 01:18

The division has started, it was inevitable, but because a few people without a SYS site threw a tantrum about what Symbiostock is not, we now have a divided community. I am sorry, this is not what I am interested in all. I dont want to deal with this stuff, I started a SYS site to get away from some agencies, now it seems I am need to deal with the same crap in Symbiostock. I am out guys, I am following my own path. I apologize. I will be interested in upgrades and premium features, and being part of the network as is, but I will not be part of standardization. Its the opposite of what I had in mind when I started my site. I will keep an open mind and if I see benefits, I am not that stubborn to change my mind. But I dont want the headaches and frustrations of discussing this and trying to come to a working solution. Sorry guys.

Ron

No one will force you into someone else's standards.

Someone make some valid concepts as an outsider of what they thought would make it difficult for new buyers to use the network.

I suggested some easy fixes that can be done now, that no one has to do.....basically best practices.

The network is going to grow and change. People are going to piss on the network, while others are going to nurture it. You will always have your own site where you can do what you want.

Ron · « **Reply #28 on:** July 18, 2013, 07:52 »

Cheers bud, I apologised in my 2nd comment.

Please do not feel offended, I wasnt directing my rant at any symbiostock user.

Sorry guys.

farbled · « **Reply #29 on:** July 18, 2013, 10:05 »

Quote from: Amanda_K on July 17, 2013, 22:36

Here's the thing. If people want to do this, they can get together and do it in a closed network. You could cover things like centralized logins/terms and cart not to mention quality control etc. You could even have your own branding of the group. The smaller the group at the beginning, the easier it would be to agree on things and then add people as the details are ironed out. It's a good idea I'm interested to see who moves forward with it.

The fact is that not everyone who uses the Symbiostock theme is going to want to be a part of that, some people really do prefer autonomy and control of their own sites and don't mind the extra responsibility and marketing.

Personally I think there is room for both models using the base Leo and others have built. Whoever is serious about this idea of centralizing should get together and discuss making it happen.

I'd just caution you to remember that with an open source solution that is already "out there" there is really no way (or reason to) force every single person who uses the theme into the same terms. There is a post about hub sites Leo made earlier with additional ideas.

This sums the whole thing up brilliantly. Those who want all the agency-type stuff can go ahead and build them, those who don't, won't.

cathyslife · « **Reply #30 on:** July 18, 2013, 10:07 »

I understand Rons feelings and have some of the same. I thought that the basic seo benefits of SY would provide me a greater chance of my images getting noticed, and I think that is true. I am seeing that happen in webmaster tools, and I am willing to have patience, do what I can to push that, and see how sales go. I know it will take time, and I think it has far more benefits than say having my site in KTools.

I am open to seeing if having a hub site improves sales faster, since it sounds more convenient for the buyer, but when talk starts of taking commissions to pay people, I am out. I can just stay at the agencies, if that is the case. But again, I am open, and will watch, encourage, and support others who think this is the way to go. When the sales start rolling in, I will reconsider.

I just don't see most buyers having an issue with registering at 2 or 3 sites to fill their needs. I say that from experience. If I find a great site that provides lots of people images, and people images are what I normally buy, I go there. If I sometimes use food and animals, I find a site for great animals and a site for great food, or maybe a site that has both. Registering and shopping at two or three sites is not that big of a deal. When I look for camera equipment, I usually shop at B&H, but I always check amazon (where I'm registered) and Adorama (where I'm registered) and maybe one or two other places.

I don't see this as any different. Frankly, I see other, more important things that should change to beef up the existing model, like extended licenses and multiple word search terms on our individual site. Maybe Cascoly's idea of getting rid of registration on our individual sites altogether. That.

farbled · « **Reply #31 on:** July 18, 2013, 10:20 »

Quote from: cclapper on July 18, 2013, 10:07

I am open to seeing if having a hub site improves sales faster, since it sounds more convenient for the buyer, but when talk starts of taking commissions to pay people, I am out. I can just stay at the agencies, if that is the case. But again, I am open, and will watch, encourage, and support others who think this is the way to go. When the sales start rolling in, I will reconsider.

Same for me. It's so early in this whole project for any blanket changes or assumptions. It's a framework. People can (and most certainly will) build it however they want. I'll pick and choose what I want to be part of too. Nicely put.

franky242 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 18, 2013, 11:11 »

Quote from: cclapper on July 18, 2013, 10:07

I just don't see most buyers having an issue with registering at 2 or 3 sites to fill their needs. I say that from experience. If I find a great site that provides lots of people images, and people images are what I normally buy, I go there. If I sometimes use food and animals, I find a site for great animals and a site for great food, or maybe a site that has both. Registering and shopping at two or three sites is not that big of a deal. When I look for camera equipment, I usually shop at B&H, but I always check amazon (where I'm registered) and Adorama (where I'm registered) and maybe one or two other places.

I fully support that, especially since we offer a "pay per download" service which many others don´t - the user has no unused credits with us that he might forget about or otherwise never be able to use for downloads in the future. Hence several registrations with sites offering specialized contents should be fine.

grsphoto · « **Reply #33 on:** July 21, 2013, 14:43 »

Quote from: PhilD on July 17, 2013, 19:34

Quote from: grsphoto on July 17, 2013, 13:32
BTW the plug in I use for log in is "Social Connect" there are likely others out there that are better....

Anything that makes a potential image buyer's visit easier is worthwhile.

But I note that the Social Connect plugin is not actively supported or developed.

There's another plugin "Social Login" that appears activity supported - wonder if anyone has tried it?

http://wordpress.org/support/plugin/oa-social-login

Just had a look... you have to register at another site, and, though it doesn't say it in the description, it looks like it is a paid plug-in.

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #34 on:** July 21, 2013, 18:16 »

Soon there will be a no register cart, and one fine day there will be the ability to centralize carts

All optional of course.

cascoly · « **Reply #35 on:** July 21, 2013, 22:41 »

I've had several people show interest in a centralized travel hub and will add one to http://symbiostock-search.com

hiowever, despite the dire predictions of some non-symsite posters it doesn't seem to be that big a need

meanwhile, i'm continuing to get increased indexing thru contact sheets with backlinks from my cascoly.com site to my sy m site cascoly-images.com.

I've offered to host contact sheets from other sites, or you can oin hubpages if you don't have your own non-sym site, and post articles about your images. hubpages has a good record of being indexed by google

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