Author Topic: Exif / IPTC data - problem (Read 8172 times)

Kerioak~Christine · « **on:** May 01, 2013, 10:35 »

I have just realised that all the exif/IPTC data is being stripped out of the images - this is not good. Is it possible to retain/retrieve it ?

With no exif it is too easy for anyone to say it is an orphan image, especially with the bill currently going though in the UK which looks as if it will pass

ajt · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2013, 10:57 »

Now IPTC data go to thumbnails instead of preview.
Leo said yesterday, that he is going to make function or plugin for reprocessing images. I hope that he will remember to copy IPTC data to preview image

Kerioak~Christine · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2013, 11:05 »

There is none on the thumbnails, preview or even more importantly perhaps the downloadable images.

Hopefully this can be retrieved, am going to wait to hear from Leo on this before I upload any more I think.

cascoly · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2013, 11:19 »

Quote from: Tinny on May 01, 2013, 11:05

There is none on the thumbnails, preview or even more importantly perhaps the downloadable images.

Hopefully this can be retrieved, am going to wait to hear from Leo on this before I upload any more I think.

I've had most of my images process ok, but there are a few where the info is not extracted -- do your images all work ok with other stock agencies?

ajt · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2013, 11:20 »

Downloadable images have all data, they are only renamed and copied.
Try to download one using ftp and search for IPTC.
Thumbnails have IPTC data also (without keywords), for example your cat on main page has:

Object Name = Tabby and White cat looking backwards with mouth open
Caption/Abstract = Beautifull tabby and white cat sitting upright with her tail curled around her and the tip upright. She is looking backwards over her shoulder at something behind her and has her mouth wide open. This is ideal if you want a cat that looks as if she is speaking{{CR}}{{CR}}{{CR}}She is photographed isolated against a white background{{CR}}{{CR}}This image is exclusive to www.stockimages.kerioak.com
By-line = Photographer: Christine Nichols
Copyright Notice = 20130403
Keywords = graphic,{{LF}} image,{{LF}}

Edit: when buyer downloads large image, it is exact copy of image submitted and contais all original data. But when someone buys smaller size, in current Symbio version it is resized and sent without any data.

Kerioak~Christine · « **Reply #5 on:** May 01, 2013, 11:38 »

I have just bought the large size, no iptc etc data included when I open it in PS

ajt · « **Reply #6 on:** May 01, 2013, 11:46 »

Oops, I forgot, that I've modified code for downloading, when I had problems with memory on my server, and my files have IPTC. In not hacked code even large file go without IPTC (but all info is in files stored on server, so reprocessing and copying data to preview images is possible).

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2013, 13:12 »

Yes iptc data is also a focus on next release. U can see why its taking so long! It doesn't retain automatically you have to code it in.

cathyslife · « **Reply #8 on:** May 02, 2013, 16:56 »

Yeah, I just made a test purchase of a medium size and no IPTC data. This is very disappointing. I'm not going to upload any more either until this is resolved. Now I have 200 more images floating around with no copyright. I say "more" because this is in addition to the ones the agencies put out there with metadata stripped.

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #9 on:** May 02, 2013, 17:00 »

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #10 on:** May 02, 2013, 17:09 »

Anyway you can be assured this is called a beta test for a reason. And the next release is a long way off. IPTC data is stripped by default in a resizing function, not due to the sinister intentions of the coder. The coder has to transfer it based on some meticulous work. You will *also* notice you can save your preview image and see....the IPTC data...because like so many other things the coder took time in that area. So you are certainly welcome to do whatever you want in the meantime. IPTC data is not important after the sale as much as its important when someone gives it away to a google app for free. Meanwhile - 1 person coding, it will take some time. Time really is the operative word here.

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #11 on:** May 02, 2013, 17:14 »

Edit - I just noticed IPTC data is being stripped from the preview. That was not the case in the original release. Apparently something got tweaked during all the other edits I've made.

I'll try to solve that and do a little pre-release of image improved functions. This other release with the HUGE improvements is still a few weeks off at least. In the meantime, remember this is a beta and don't be so quick to run to the hills in panic.

cascoly · « **Reply #12 on:** May 02, 2013, 22:43 »

Quote from: Leo on May 02, 2013, 17:14

Edit - I just noticed IPTC data is being stripped from the preview. That was not the case in the original release. Apparently something got tweaked during all the other edits I've made.

I'll try to solve that and do a little pre-release of image improved functions. This other release with the HUGE improvements is still a few weeks off at least. In the meantime, remember this is a beta and don't be so quick to run to the hills in panic.

I just realized that my images where iptc doesn't get read initially all have no camera or date acquired info as they were created in PS - combinations of images, collections, etc - it shouldn't matter, but who knows.

Kerioak~Christine · « **Reply #13 on:** May 03, 2013, 00:52 »

Hi Cathy, I carried on uploading once I heard from Leo that it would be fixed, just wanted that reassurance

Leo, I panicked a bit when I realised that none of the thumbnails, previews or downloads had
any data embedded, as it gets more and more important that as many copies as possible that end up floating around the web have it so the original artists can be traced

especially when we have stupid governments rushing through orphan bills

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #14 on:** May 03, 2013, 00:59 »

Been working on everything today.

What will hopefully happen:

1. Installing an image processing library (alternative to wideimage) which uses imagemagick when available.
2. Installing image IPTC library to use for IPTC.
(we use pre-developed libraries because its more practical, not having to re-invent the wheel)
3. Integrate them both into image processor.
4. Create reprocessing script which redoes previous uploads.

Release a new version with the issues addressed.

Later on I'll be able to get that SUPER version out, but I can see people are having a hard time waiting for this one.

cathyslife · « **Reply #15 on:** May 03, 2013, 05:55 »

Quote from: Tinny on May 03, 2013, 00:52

Hi Cathy, I carried on uploading once I heard from Leo that it would be fixed, just wanted that reassurance

Leo, I panicked a bit when I realised that none of the thumbnails, previews or downloads had
any data embedded, as it gets more and more important that as many copies as possible that end up floating around the web have it so the original artists can be traced especially when we have stupid governments rushing through orphan bills

i would not say i have panicked. I would just say that this very issue has been a sore spot for me and a lot of other contributors as a result of the abuse by getty and mostly all the other agencies. Remember the DT/Media Bakery fiasco? Our copyrights were stripped, but somehow new copyrights can be added back in because these people assigned someone named colossus as the copyright holder. I dont really want to make it any easier for thieves.

In no way did i mean to imply that you were doing anything nefarious Leo. I appreciate that you are working hard to fix the issue. Its just that we all go through the time and trouble to add that data in. If everything got stripped except for my one line of my copyright, i would be happy. If no one could ever strip it out, it would be excellent, but i realize that isnt likely to be happening.

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #16 on:** May 03, 2013, 06:21 »

Yeah I kinda figured it was a sore spot.

What happens though is that iptc is stripped by default. To add it in you have to go through a lot of meticulous work. I had done that at first - if you look at the code you see lots of IPTC stuff going on. Apparently it got nixed somwhere along the line.

Anyway, progress report: I've finally got a good system running that looks for GD or ImageMagick. I can't even begin to tell you the benefits there, even down to color vibrance.

Next I have to install some sort of IPTC class. Building one from scratch (or using the one I had already) is just not good enough

.

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #17 on:** May 03, 2013, 18:48 »

An update for those who were paying attn to this thread...

I'm well along in the "imagemagic" update. The results are very very good. Color is far better...image quality (pixel quality) ... glad to finally be fixing this. Memory use is much better as well.

cathyslife · « **Reply #18 on:** May 03, 2013, 18:59 »

Quote from: Leo on May 03, 2013, 18:48

An update for those who were paying attn to this thread...

I'm well along in the "imagemagic" update. The results are very very good. Color is far better...image quality (pixel quality) ... glad to finally be fixing this. Memory use is much better as well.

Thanks for the update, it is very much appreciated.

Travelling-light · « **Reply #19 on:** May 03, 2013, 20:45 »

Quote from: Leo on May 03, 2013, 18:48

An update for those who were paying attn to this thread...

I'm well along in the "imagemagic" update. The results are very very good. Color is far better...image quality (pixel quality) ... glad to finally be fixing this. Memory use is much better as well.

Good news! If colour is better, does this include converting AdobeRGB originals to sRGB thumbs and previews?

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2013, 21:12 »

Quote from: Travelling-light on May 03, 2013, 20:45

Quote from: Leo on May 03, 2013, 18:48
An update for those who were paying attn to this thread...

I'm well along in the "imagemagic" update. The results are very very good. Color is far better...image quality (pixel quality) ... glad to finally be fixing this. Memory use is much better as well.

Good news! If colour is better, does this include converting AdobeRGB originals to sRGB thumbs and previews?

Yep! Your the guy who mentioned that first aren't you? Would you mind if we did a test-spin on your site before I release this? I still have to do the IPTC fixes as well, but I'd love to see your insight since you know just what to look for. I'd like your opinions on image smoothness too. Possibly in a few hours we'll be ready for a quick test run, then you can switch back to your previous theme.

Travelling-light · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2013, 21:21 »

Quote from: Leo on May 03, 2013, 21:12

Quote from: Travelling-light on May 03, 2013, 20:45
Quote from: Leo on May 03, 2013, 18:48
An update for those who were paying attn to this thread...

I'm well along in the "imagemagic" update. The results are very very good. Color is far better...image quality (pixel quality) ... glad to finally be fixing this. Memory use is much better as well.

Good news! If colour is better, does this include converting AdobeRGB originals to sRGB thumbs and previews?

Yep! Your the guy who mentioned that first aren't you? Would you mind if we did a test-spin on your site before I release this? I still have to do the IPTC fixes as well, but I'd love to see your insight since you know just what to look for. I'd like your opinions on image smoothness too. Possibly in a few hours we'll be ready for a quick test run, then you can switch back to your previous theme.

That's fine, I won't be far from the computer for about 6-7 hours now.

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #22 on:** May 04, 2013, 03:41 »

We are about to turn our "problem" into a huge strength.

I'm going to be using a rather extensive metadata library. It does far more than just read and write meta-data.

Do you think you'd like to do anything else with that data? For instance, you click on an "info" link and it gives you a datasheet on the image? I think you photographers must have tons of stuff on those photos' data you'd think worth sharing.

As long as I'm sitting down to work with it, you should put in your requests now! Like, another idea - a meta box in your image editing area that exports all meta data to the box...and you can edit it and reassign it to the image.

ajt · « **Reply #23 on:** May 04, 2013, 04:32 »

Editing meta data will be useful. Some of my images have empty "Byline" and "Copyright", so I'd like to edit them and also insert GPS data.

And maybe Google Maps widget. When image has valid GPS coordinates, it could show the map, for example somewhere above price table

Leo Blanchette · « **Reply #24 on:** May 04, 2013, 04:40 »

Actually my networking system (I am not working on now because of this!) fully makes use of geocodes. YES - by all means - photographers will want to geocode their images, so they can be searched by location.

Also photographers are going to be (roughly) geolocated to for social enjoyment (hey, this guy is from Africa!)

I'll make sure to work that in then.

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