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« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2015, 20:14 »
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Mine has the math question on the log-in page too.  I'm wondering if that is something new with recent WP upgrades rather than a Symbiostock "feature."

I haven't updated my Symbio sites for a few versions now.

I have another WP installation (no Symbiostock) for a blog and I now see the math question on that site's admin login too, so I think it has to be WordPress


« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2015, 20:30 »
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I am so tired of the hints and the guesses and the games.  It's like a bad divorce. You get the house, I get the car and nobody wins. 

The unspoken implication seems to be that nothing would stop anyone from uploading photos to Leo's version but photographers would not be part of the universal search and there is no built in function for model releases.

Robin has said that his version will support a variety of file types including jpg, tiff, ping and a few more but no word on any kind of universal search.

And pity the poor artist who works in multiple media.  I guess they are forced to split their portfolio or look elsewhere for a solution.

Yes.
You really have four choices here.
1) If you are unhappy with your site and want to go it alone. Pick a converter and upgrade to any theme you like.
2) If you are unhappy with your site and want a universal search choose the option that works for your files. I also believe I read that Robin's version will eventually handle video. For multi-media I would recommend holding off of anything until the new symbiostock is ready. From what I understand this may be the best choice.
3) If you are happy with your site. Don't do anything and wait for a bit. There is no indication that legacy sites will stop working anytime soon. This is the option that I am choosing.
4) If you are an illustrator, consider the grfx hosted option or free plugin and create an additional site without the worry of losing any SEO juice. This is also what I have chosen.

« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2015, 21:19 »
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A fifth choice would be to take all of the drama out of your lives and use a different theme and selling media. There are other choices where you only need to be involved with the developer if you have a question and need help.  :)

« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2015, 21:39 »
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A fifth choice would be to take all of the drama out of your lives and use a different theme and selling media. There are other choices where you only need to be involved with the developer if you have a question and need help.  :)

Cathy, how is that option working out for you?  I tried going to the link in your profile pic and it's not active.  Couldn't find it in a web search either.  Did you change your website or just decide against self-hosting altogether?  I was curious to see how your site looked compared to Symbio options.

« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2015, 22:33 »
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ok i had a day to calm down, i have read as much stuff as i could find and seem to get what is going on. partnership, big fight, breakup and us children get the brunt of it.

i will watch and wait. i cant understand what could have been so bad to cause Leo to completely leave but who cares. it only affects me if i don't like what i see coming down the pipe. at that point i will either start over or go independent by one of the converters. but you can bet your &*^* that i won't be doing anything until i fully understand what the new symbiostock is all about

Semmick Photo

« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2015, 01:09 »
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A fifth choice would be to take all of the drama out of your lives and use a different theme and selling media. There are other choices where you only need to be involved with the developer if you have a question and need help.  :)

Cathy, how is that option working out for you?  I tried going to the link in your profile pic and it's not active.  Couldn't find it in a web search either.  Did you change your website or just decide against self-hosting altogether?  I was curious to see how your site looked compared to Symbio options.
yeah cathy

« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2015, 06:23 »
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You arent really serious in hearing my opinion, but there have been other threads, fairly recently, about alternatives. You could just go get answers from people you have respect for.  ;)


Or you could just keep on as you are, bitching and moaning.  :D

Shelma1

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« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2015, 06:29 »
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Mine has the math question on the log-in page too.  I'm wondering if that is something new with recent WP upgrades rather than a Symbiostock "feature."

I haven't updated my Symbio sites for a few versions now.

I have another WP installation (no Symbiostock) for a blog and I now see the math question on that site's admin login too, so I think it has to be WordPress

My captcha is gone this morning and it's back to the old login, which leads me to believe it's NOT Wordpress.

Also checked my other, non sym site and the login also has no captcha.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2015, 06:57 by Shelma1 »

Semmick Photo

« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2015, 07:34 »
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You arent really serious in hearing my opinion, but there have been other threads, fairly recently, about alternatives. You could just go get answers from people you have respect for.  ;)


Or you could just keep on as you are, bitching and moaning.  :D
no,  you left symbiostock accusing everyone for fraud, been bitching and moaning ever since. You blamed everyone for not having sales but your self. So I am actually honestly curious if you made any sales with your non symbio site. The fact that you have been very quiet about your new site makes me think you sold zilch there  as well. Cheers

« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2015, 07:54 »
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You arent really serious in hearing my opinion, but there have been other threads, fairly recently, about alternatives. You could just go get answers from people you have respect for.  ;)


Or you could just keep on as you are, bitching and moaning.  :D
no,  you left symbiostock accusing everyone for fraud, been bitching and moaning ever since. You blamed everyone for not having sales but your self. So I am actually honestly curious if you made any sales with your non symbio site. The fact that you have been very quiet about your new site makes me think you sold zilch there  as well. Cheers


You asked this question a long time ago here on this forum and i answered it. Do your research if you are truly interested.


Or you can just continue on diverting the thread and making it about me, instead of actually being serious about finding a solution.  :)


« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2015, 07:58 »
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Mine has the math question on the log-in page too.  I'm wondering if that is something new with recent WP upgrades rather than a Symbiostock "feature."

I haven't updated my Symbio sites for a few versions now.

I have another WP installation (no Symbiostock) for a blog and I now see the math question on that site's admin login too, so I think it has to be WordPress

My captcha is gone this morning and it's back to the old login, which leads me to believe it's NOT Wordpress.

Also checked my other, non sym site and the login also has no captcha.


I have had to add a captcha plugin to the login page in the last couple of months on a few sites. I was almost happy when it was thought that the wordpress update was doing it, but i dont think it is a wordpress thing either, but my sites just barely got updated on friday, so havent had a chance to check. Maybe the wordpress changelog will say.

Semmick Photo

« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2015, 08:04 »
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I have been waiting for the ultimate symbiostock version only to find out THIS weekend that it's not coming and that the current developer of symbiostock has no clue about developing nor photography. So I will look for alternatives as of now.

So did you sell on your new site yes or no?

Semmick Photo

« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2015, 08:13 »
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Also.  What theme are you using please? I am sure you can appreciate that I don't want to dig through the forum to find your comment.

Cheers

« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2015, 08:24 »
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I have been waiting for the ultimate symbiostock version only to find out THIS weekend that it's not coming and that the current developer of symbiostock has no clue about developing nor photography. So I will look for alternatives as of now.

So did you sell on your new site yes or no?

Ron, in a thread on Symbiostock.org Robin said he has been a microstock photographer for 3 years, and is also a programmer and videographer.  We haven't seen links  or  functional plugins to back it up yet but to be fair, how much do we know about who is behind just about any of the themes or plugins offered over at Envato.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2015, 08:44 by klsbear »

« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2015, 08:31 »
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You arent really serious in hearing my opinion, but there have been other threads, fairly recently, about alternatives. You could just go get answers from people you have respect for.  ;)


Or you could just keep on as you are, bitching and moaning.  :D

I was serious with my question since I knew you had experience with Symbiostock and another option.  I haven't read recent threads on other options lately as I too had been waiting for the new and improved option.  I'll see what I can find there.

« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2015, 19:13 »
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I really don't know why Leo didn't just polish it up, make it useful to photographers in addition to stock photographers and sell it on themeforest. I think he would have made a killing.

« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2015, 22:17 »
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I don't really understand how it came about but obviously the two of them could not agree on the future of symbiostock. The way I understand it is this. Leo gets the software he had been developing to upgrade the original theme for the last year or so and Robin gets the name. Both entities can build off of legacy programming but Leo is contractually obligated not to offer future services to photographers. So this is what I would recommend. If you are legacy site owner and it breaks or you are having problems I think Leo is more than happy to help. If you are an illustrator looking to move forward GRFX is your branch. If you are a photographer looking to move forward then Robin will probably be who you need to deal with.

I tried to be fair & give robin a chance but he has refused to provide ANYTHING to legitimize his claims to be able to do anything with symbiostock

in addition he makes trademark claims (no trademark has been registered) for symbiostock despite the obvious fact that it has been in common use for over 2 years.  ianal but it's unlikely he could actually get a trademark registered, so instead he's making ridiculous claims in his eula and trademark pages

anyone who wants to consider his new products should be VERY carefyul and read the licenses closely -- basically it says he can change ANYTHING in the licensing at any time an you have no recourse,  which means, especially if you use his hosting system and 'global search' system he can charge whatever he wants anytime he wants.

I was ready to help betatest the new version until I read those documents.  robin has refused to reply to messages left in the symbiostock forum, so i've reposted here as a warning for others.  my 3 symbiostock sites plus co-op sites work just fine, so I wont be moving any of them.  if some day WP evolves such that they don't work anymore i'll still have the complete db files AND both original and watermarked images, so can migrate elsewhere

i'll continue to operate the global SYMBIOSTOCK search for free for as long as there are legacy sites running.  we have about 150 sites and over 250,000 images currently and are actrvley indexed by google.  robin has confirmed that the 'new' sym will not produce the files needed to update either my or ajt's symbiostock.info search databases

« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2015, 23:53 »
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Leo has agreed to remove the grfx message from the latest update. The current update will result in a site that was exactly like it has been for over a year. No functional changes have been made to Leo's legacy theme by any recent updates. He has also agreed to maintain his legacy theme for those of us that would prefer not to change our existing sites. Future updates to the legacy theme will have branding removed and legacy sites will no longer carry the Symbio name. They will continue to function precisely as they have done for the last year.

It should be very easy for Robin to release a version of the legacy theme that he would control the updates for. Anyone who would like to go this route and have Robin be responsible for their updates and future support should let Robin know so that he can release and support his own version. The process for this should be as easy as switching out the themes.

Anyone who would like to convert to the new symbiostock from the grfx supported legacy theme will be able to do so at any time including future legacy updates.

Functionality and support for legacy sites will happen under the grfx umbrella but legacy sites will have zero affiliation with grfx other than support.

In other words if you choose to do nothing, your sites will continue to work as they always have and continue to be supported.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2015, 00:29 by chromaco »

Leo

« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2015, 01:47 »
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Thank you for thoughtfully and productively voicing your concerns and ideas. After reading them I was able to come up with a solution that works.

Here is the final word on the issue:

http://community.grfx.co/branching-the-legacy-theme/



Thanks for clearing that up for us Cascoly. I can't make heads or tales of intellectual property after riding the microstock lobotomobile and various other developments in the law. Thank you Dennis for posting the updates and response.

PS - Shelma - I'm glad you figured out your captcha -- those things can be annoying.

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« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2015, 01:50 »
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Come on guys get this settled!

Leo

« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2015, 01:53 »
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It just got settled :D

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« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2015, 01:53 »
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Okay great I hope Robin too!

« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2015, 11:38 »
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...... Future updates to the legacy theme will have branding removed and legacy sites will no longer carry the Symbio name.
...

of course leo can remove the name if he decides to, but there is no reason any legacy site needs to do so -- we, collectively, have common law & prior use rights to this invented word.  if robin wants the name removed, he's free to negotiate a price to do so with each symbiostock site owner

google currently tracks 194,000 links to the word symbiostock

« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2015, 11:56 »
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at least now it sounds like my current site will continue to be supported incase wordpress changes anything. as long as i am not left promoting a non-working site you guys can do what you want behind closed doors. i couldn't care less if my site says symbiostock on it or not. gotta say though i am somewhat glad that Leo has decided to at least keep some interest in helping the current sites.
devil you know... so to speak

« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2015, 12:45 »
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Mine has the math question on the log-in page too.  I'm wondering if that is something new with recent WP upgrades rather than a Symbiostock "feature."

I haven't updated my Symbio sites for a few versions now.

I have another WP installation (no Symbiostock) for a blog and I now see the math question on that site's admin login too, so I think it has to be WordPress

It appears then that these guys (at WP) increasingly suck (too)! This is exactly why I froze all my blogs at WP Ver3.6.1 which AFAIK is the latest one that does not force any "auto updates" that are beyond my control. There are better ways of protecting against spamming scripts than stupid Captchas -- I am  surprised I have to tell those "experts" over at WP.

Everything in the name of "safety". It already feels like the U. S. Patriot Act...

No one messes with my servers but myself :)


 

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