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« on: September 26, 2016, 12:01 »
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Hi All,
I've about 600 images on alamy and I've received 2986 views - 6 zoom but never got any sale, Is it still keywords fault or just the Alamy slow sales?

Thanks!


ShadySue

« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2016, 12:12 »
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Could be anything: Alamy's customers don't always buy the sorts of images you can get cheaper on the micros, they are slow sellers (I had over 800 before I got my first sale) or it could be your keywords, or any number of other reasons; but where's your port so we can check?

« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2016, 12:32 »
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Could be anything: Alamy's customers don't always buy the sorts of images you can get cheaper on the micros, they are slow sellers (I had over 800 before I got my first sale) or it could be your keywords, or any number of other reasons; but where's your port so we can check?

You can check the images on my SS portfolio link below.

ShadySue

« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2016, 13:08 »
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Could be anything: Alamy's customers don't always buy the sorts of images you can get cheaper on the micros, they are slow sellers (I had over 800 before I got my first sale) or it could be your keywords, or any number of other reasons; but where's your port so we can check?

You can check the images on my SS portfolio link below.

You have the same images on SS? Well, that could be part of the reason.
I did look at your SS port, but something must be odd about SS, as I could only see keywords on one of the five I randomly clicked on, which presumably isn't your doing.

« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2016, 13:24 »
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... I've received 2986 views - 6 zoom but never got any sale ...

That means your images appeared 2986x in search results but only 6x customers actually clicked on one of your images... so its really only 6 "views"...

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2016, 03:09 »
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I would try to review a bit your keywords...

« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2016, 10:50 »
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I would try to review a bit your keywords...

Not sure how to give you the link to my alamy port but you can go through my fotolia portfolio, the keywords are all same.

« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2016, 11:20 »
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IF you have the exact same portfolio on the micros as you have on Alamy, it's possible those interested in your images found them cheaper elsewhere. My portfolio on Alamy is different from the one I have on the micros, but there is a little overlap. I've been with Alamy since 2008 and have regular sales there, sometimes of images I have on the micros, but I've had many zooms on Alamy of images on both the micros and Alamy where, after a zoom on Alamy , the image was purchased on Fotolia or SS instead. This could be the issue.

On average, people in the Alamy forums say you can expect one sale per month per 1000 images. I have just over 900 images and saw regular monthly sales there after about 800, though my first sale came with far fewer images. However, I have a high rank there having been there for years, and that makes a difference too, though you seem to have a good number of views for the size of your portfolio, so don't give up. But I'd try to shoot more of the types of images you've had zooms on just for Alamy and leave them off the micros to see if that helps with sales. One $100-400+ sale is worth far more than many subscriptions on the micros so it may be worth your while.

ShadySue

« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2016, 12:23 »
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Amabu is correct: you only have six zooms, which might hint that your keywording isn't all that accurate. Your views only mean your file showed up in a search.

The other thing you can do is look at 'your images' under Alamy Measures to see what search term your image was searched under.
That will let you know whether your keywords are way off.

That said, the way Alamy's search works combines any keywords in any field - including the caption -, so can give totally wrong keyword phrase results, which you can't really do anything about. (For example, I get views on 'wild n wet' because I have pics of wild animals in a  wallow, so 'wild' and 'wet' are both appropriate keywords.)  Another example is one of my pics showing up in a search for "1960s night", which I assume was someone looking for pictures of fancy dress parties/club nights on a Sixties theme, but my pic was a night shot of a building noted as a particular example of 1960s architecture, so I noted that in the caption (1960/1960s is NOT in the keywords of that file)

Still, it's definitely worth checking whether the keywords your files were checked on are really representative of your file.

« Last Edit: October 07, 2016, 07:32 by ShadySue »

dpimborough

« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2016, 02:34 »
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I get regular sales every month on Alamy with 3,000 images (small by Alamy standards).

Most of Alamy customers tend to be looking for none microstock concepts.
Check their searches they are quite open about it look under Alamy measures then All of Alamy.

You'll see what sold and it isn't micro concepts of smiley business people.

Yesterday images of ilia kulik sold 36 times and then Kevin Kostner loads of times times.

I have a mix of micro stuff which you can buy elsewhere but they sell just as well.
I also have rights managed stuff.

In my view if you use the same keywords demanded by other sites like iStock's controlled voacbulary you will not get sales.

If you use the Shutterstock keyword system you'll get no sales.

You have to put in concise keywords (no spam) and you need to be more detailed so plurals like duck, ducks, cat, cats and you can add more keywords than the paltry 50 maximum you get on most micro sites.

These days I keyword for Alamy submissions and if the same image goes to microstock sites I let their submission process get rid of plurals or not as they see fit.  (Shutterstock strips out those words).

« Last Edit: October 01, 2016, 02:37 by Teddy the Cat »

« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2016, 09:02 »
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I'm new to Alamy and it's interesting what you say.

If you submit some images only to Alamy not to the micros because of what you said, it's sort of exclusive images at Alamy or where do you submit these images additionally if not to micros?

dpimborough

« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2016, 15:22 »
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I'm new to Alamy and it's interesting what you say.

If you submit some images only to Alamy not to the micros because of what you said, it's sort of exclusive images at Alamy or where do you submit these images additionally if not to micros?

Alamy sell rights managed images which can not be sold as Royalty Free.

I choose which goes where.

Unusual subject matter, travel or editorial images to RM

The usual guff goes to micro.



« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2016, 23:24 »
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0 sales on Alamy is actually well above average.

« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2016, 00:35 »
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Hi All,
I've about 600 images on alamy and I've received 2986 views - 6 zoom but never got any sale, Is it still keywords fault or just the Alamy slow sales?

Thanks!

I got my first sale at 400 images. Wich  images do you sell on Alamy?

Phadrea

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2016, 13:48 »
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Tedious, time consuming keywording of each file to get no sales.  :(
« Last Edit: October 06, 2016, 14:16 by Herg »

dpimborough

« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2016, 16:31 »
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Tedious, time consuming keywording of each file to get no sales.  :(

Every agency requires you to keyword it goes with the job

Phadrea

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2016, 10:10 »
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Every agency requires you to keyword it goes with the job

Yes but all keywords in one box. Alamy require sub keywording = more time.

« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2016, 16:27 »
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Hi All,
I've about 600 images on alamy and I've received 2986 views - 6 zoom but never got any sale, Is it still keywords fault or just the Alamy slow sales?

Thanks!

6 zooms out of 3000 views equals a click thru ratio of only 0.2%, while the Alamy contributor average is usually around 0.6%. This means your pictures are thee times less likely to be clicked on than average.

This is a strong indicator that there's something wrong. Maybe you added too many irrelevant keywords, so your images show up in searches they shouldn't. Remember to keyword only what the image is of, not everything that's in the image. Or maybe your images just can't compete with other similar images on Alamy. Professional postprocessing is a must.

In the end, without a link to your Alamy portfolio, or without knowing your Alamy contributor name, it is impossible to tell what's wrong.

While I agree that it is probably not wise to have the same pictures on Alamy and on microstock agencies, I don't think this is the main problem in your case. After all, potential customers don't even click on your images to zoom them (I assume a customer zooms an image before trying to get it cheaper somewhere else).


« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2016, 22:25 »
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I had around 250 images when I got my first small sale on Alamy, I was very excited and thought it was the start but I haven't had one since. The sale was back in August and I've been contributing since March. I now have 400 images, 10 zooms and 1700 views. The image that sold is not available on SS or FT so that might be why I got lucky. Maybe my other zooms led to a sale on one of the micros. I am now trying to upload images only to Alamy. I think I also need to review my keywords on Alamy.

gyllens

« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2016, 01:43 »
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Alamy is all about editorial content. The creative material is just completely drowned by editorial. To make it even tougher the sort order will mix editorial with creative content. Many say that for every 1000 files you get one sale?

dpimborough

« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2016, 03:16 »
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Alamy is all about editorial content. The creative material is just completely drowned by editorial. To make it even tougher the sort order will mix editorial with creative content. Many say that for every 1000 files you get one sale?

Many say the end of the world is coming too but you'd be better not to believe them.

I have over 3,000 images on Alamy and get sales every month.  My sales with them doubled this year compared to last year.

I have 60% RF and 40% RM, the microstock stuff sells better than the RM stuff.

It's all about good keywords and image quality nothing else.

dpimborough

« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2016, 03:20 »
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Every agency requires you to keyword it goes with the job

Yes but all keywords in one box. Alamy require sub keywording = more time.

No they don't.

You add keywords to the metadata of the image most important first

When it goes to Alamy you have the most important keywords first copy and paste in the important keyword box.

It takes less effort than submitting to Fotolia/Adobe.

Simple.

Jeez people are so lazy these days.  Gimme me stuff without effort.

dpimborough

« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2016, 03:25 »
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Alamy is all about editorial content. The creative material is just completely drowned by editorial. To make it even tougher the sort order will mix editorial with creative content. Many say that for every 1000 files you get one sale?

What?  ???

Do a search for "coffee" see lots and lots of editorial do you? ::)


Phadrea

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2016, 06:41 »
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I hate their time consuming 3 tier keywording because I know that however many images I upload, it makes no difference as I still get zero sales.

ShadySue

« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2016, 06:51 »
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. To make it even tougher the sort order will mix editorial with creative content.
Like most agencies, unless you choose to use filters

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Many say that for every 1000 files you get one sale?
Per day? Per month? Per year?
Many?
Someone posted on the October sales thread that they'd got a sale with a port of <50. It's just if you happen to have what a buyer needs. Generally different buyers from micro. My best selling genre on iS doesn't sell at all (for me) on Alamy (different images, obviously), which is a great pity.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2016, 13:54 by ShadySue »


 

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