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« on: May 06, 2013, 11:29 »
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I'm not that familiar with the policy and rules for the RF and RM licensed content, so I have a question. I earlier uploaded some photos as RM at Alamy. Haven't sold any of them. Is legal to remove them as RM on Alamy and upload them as RF on other agencies?

Thanks!

Kjetil
 


ShadySue

« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2013, 11:37 »
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Yes, it's perfectly OK to to that; but be aware that the pictures aren't actually completely removed from Alamy for six months (it's in the contract), in case any buyers have earmarked it but haven't actually bought it yet. Sometimes it does take that long to get from view to sale.
However, if you remove all information from caption, keywords and location it can't be found by any new prospective buyers. Unless things have changed, you need to remove them via manage images BEFORE you hit delete, you can't do it afterwards.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2013, 11:45 by ShadySue »

« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 12:23 »
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However, if you remove all information from caption, keywords and location it can't be found by any new prospective buyers. Unless things have changed, you need to remove them via manage images BEFORE you hit delete, you can't do it afterwards.

No, it hasn't changed, much to my chagrin.

« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 12:33 »
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And another tip that I've learned today is to create a pseudonym with which to associate your deleted files so that your main Alamy rank is not affected.

« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 05:44 »
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Thanks for the answers.

I have already deleted the photos, so I have to wait for 6 month. :(

I was told that I couldn't sell some photo as RM and some as RF from the same shoot. This means that I can't sell photos from the same shoot as RF until the six month are over?

Regards,
Kjetil

« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 21:13 »
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I started uploading images to Alamy. I also have the same/similar question. I have some images that are RF on SS but were rejected by some other agencies citing the reason that they see people in that image. Now if I have to submit these to Alamy, should I mark these as RM?

What is the workflow for you to upload images to Alamy because they reject all the images in the submission even if one doesn't pass QC?


ShadySue

« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 06:03 »
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I started uploading images to Alamy. I also have the same/similar question. I have some images that are RF on SS but were rejected by some other agencies citing the reason that they see people in that image. Now if I have to submit these to Alamy, should I mark these as RM?
In case you miss my reply on the other thread, if you have files RF anywhere, you can't submit them RM at Alamy. Therefore for unidentifiable people, which may be accepted on some sites but not others, you have to choose.
Another possibility for some images might be to remove the people and submit to Alamy RF and mark them 'digitally altered', which isn't going to make much difference to (m)any buyers of RF. (It's probably mostly an issue for editorial buyers)

« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 06:17 »
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A stupid question: what is the reason why we can't have an image as RM on Alamy and RF on SS?

ShadySue

« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2013, 06:33 »
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A stupid question: what is the reason why we can't have an image as RM on Alamy and RF on SS?
1. It's Alamy's rules.
2. It might annoy an RM buyer.

Pinocchio

« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2013, 07:04 »
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In case some have not seen this:

I will deactivate at least a part of my portfolio at iStock and would like to sell part of it as RM on Alamy.

Does Alamy accept images that have been RF somewhere else and that have sold as such before?

Yes, you can do this but you are ultimately responsible for managing your license history. EG, if you want to sell the images as RM, you need to make sure they are not for sale as RF anywhere else. Also, any RF images that have previously sold would not be available for an exclusive RM sale. These are however rare and in cases where an exclusive may be in the works our sales team would be contacting you to ask about the previous history on the image - if there were no conflicts we could proceed with the sale.

James Allsworth
Content Executive
Alamy

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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2013, 07:32 »
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Editorial and RF is what sell at Alamy. Hardly anything else.

« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2014, 11:09 »
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I started uploading images to Alamy. I also have the same/similar question. I have some images that are RF on SS but were rejected by some other agencies citing the reason that they see people in that image. Now if I have to submit these to Alamy, should I mark these as RM?
In case you miss my reply on the other thread, if you have files RF anywhere, you can't submit them RM at Alamy. Therefore for unidentifiable people, which may be accepted on some sites but not others, you have to choose.
Another possibility for some images might be to remove the people and submit to Alamy RF and mark them 'digitally altered', which isn't going to make much difference to (m)any buyers of RF. (It's probably mostly an issue for editorial buyers)

So, can files that are RF in other sites be submitted as RF in Alamy ?

« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2014, 11:18 »
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I started uploading images to Alamy. I also have the same/similar question. I have some images that are RF on SS but were rejected by some other agencies citing the reason that they see people in that image. Now if I have to submit these to Alamy, should I mark these as RM?
In case you miss my reply on the other thread, if you have files RF anywhere, you can't submit them RM at Alamy. Therefore for unidentifiable people, which may be accepted on some sites but not others, you have to choose.
Another possibility for some images might be to remove the people and submit to Alamy RF and mark them 'digitally altered', which isn't going to make much difference to (m)any buyers of RF. (It's probably mostly an issue for editorial buyers)

So, can files that are RF in other sites be submitted as RF in Alamy ?

Yes, provided you aren't exclusive at the other sites.

A stupid question: what is the reason why we can't have an image as RM on Alamy and RF on SS?
1. It's Alamy's rules.
2. It might annoy an RM buyer.

True, but furthermore, surely the reason for the rule is that RM licenses may specify exclusive use of that image for some period of time - and if an image has ever been licensed as RF, anywhere, you can't guarantee that.

« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2014, 11:19 »
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Thanks Gannett77 !

« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2014, 07:12 »
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But if you sell RM on Alamy, can you sell it Editorial on Shuttersock or others?

ShadySue

« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2014, 07:15 »
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But if you sell RM on Alamy, can you sell it Editorial on Shuttersock or others?
NO - you can't sell RM on Alamy and RF on SS or anywhere else. SS only sells RF editorial.
However, you can sell RM on Alamy and RM elsewhere.

« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2014, 08:51 »
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NO - you can't sell RM on Alamy and RF on SS or anywhere else. SS only sells RF editorial.
However, you can sell RM on Alamy and RM elsewhere.

I can not find this rule on Alamy website. Where is write it official? If someone want to buy RM exclusive, first time will be asking me, so i can say NO.

« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2014, 08:53 »
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True, but furthermore, surely the reason for the rule is that RM licenses may specify exclusive use of that image for some period of time - and if an image has ever been licensed as RF, anywhere, you can't guarantee that.

No. .... well, that may have been the original idea but Alamy cannot sell standard RM images for exclusive use because it doesn't know where else they may be on sale. The only images it can offer exclusivity guarantees for are RM-Exclusive (and it seems to demand that all those are fully released, so they are not really editorial).

@ Photostockad - it is written somewhere, someone showed it to me when I was making the same query as you, but I can't recall exactly where they put it.

ShadySue

« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2014, 08:58 »
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Alamy contacted me directly once about a file to ask if it had ever been sold before, and I believe that is standard if a buyer wants exclusive rights. I'm not sure if it was because I was away from home so didn't reply for 9 hours, or if the buyer decided they didn't want the file after all, but it didn't sell.
An Alamy rep said here you can sell files previously (but not currently being) sold RF, provided you have kept notes of sales and can tell them if asked. Clearly that woul rule you out of big exclusive deals, but there are extremely few of them anyway (according to Alamy).
http://www.microstockgroup.com/alamy-com/transfer-from-istock-rf-to-alamy-rm/msg298698/#msg298698
« Last Edit: May 30, 2014, 09:01 by ShadySue »

« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2014, 09:50 »
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That's interesting, Sue. I think it takes six months to deactivate a file on Alamy, so if you have the same file on the same deactivation terms at another RM site there would always be the danger of it selling there after it had been sold with exclusive rights on Alamy.
That's why I thought they wouldn't be able to do exclusive rights deals on ordinary RM. 

« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2014, 11:13 »
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Can someone tell me which microstock Editorial is RM?

ShadySue

« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2014, 11:58 »
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Can someone tell me which microstock Editorial is RM?
None, unless there's some very obscure little micro I don't know about.
Micro is RF, the cheap prices don't really allow for the individual licences.

« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2014, 12:18 »
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I can not find this rule on Alamy website. Where is write it official?


It is in the Contributor Contract and also applies to similars:

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2.2 You cannot submit identical or similar images to Alamy as both Royalty-Free and Rights Managed. The licence type on Alamy for an image must be the same as the licence type for that image and similar images which you have on other agency websites.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2014, 12:33 by bunhill »

« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2014, 13:45 »
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True, but furthermore, surely the reason for the rule is that RM licenses may specify exclusive use of that image for some period of time - and if an image has ever been licensed as RF, anywhere, you can't guarantee that.

No. .... well, that may have been the original idea but Alamy cannot sell standard RM images for exclusive use because it doesn't know where else they may be on sale. The only images it can offer exclusivity guarantees for are RM-Exclusive (and it seems to demand that all those are fully released, so they are not really editorial).


True enough...  I was just trying to think of some logical reason why they might have the requirement (that an image be not available as RF anywhere) - but you're right of course, they can't know if it's for sale elsewhere, as RM, in any case, without asking first.

« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2014, 13:57 »
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The only images it can offer exclusivity guarantees for are RM-Exclusive (and it seems to demand that all those are fully released, so they are not really editorial).

1. Not disagreeing but what makes you say that - the bit I bolded ? I have not heard that before.

2. It cannot be repeated often enough: Editorial is a type of use - not a type of image. There are plenty of potential reasons why a fully released image might be marked up as editorial use only. For example in restricted jurisdictions. ETA - and especially with a rights managed image where, for example, current commercial licensing of the image might restrict anything other than editorial use.

ETA2: The only way of setting an image to be 'editorial only' at Alamy is via the RM restrictions option. These can be changed at any time.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2014, 14:05 by bunhill »


 

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