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« Reply #125 on: November 15, 2014, 16:51 »
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I hope  BS knows if the 15 cent trend continues for a year or so there will be only cell phone video uploaded. Maybe that is BS goal..cell phone videos.


Uncle Pete

« Reply #126 on: November 15, 2014, 18:55 »
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I do not support the pricing or the plan at all. I never said one word defending that. (talk about people and putting words in someone else's mouth) My point was as lost as, the comment from BS - you aren't going to find your work from SS on BS for pennies. No one else will either.

"The contributors who are participating have all opted-in and all of the content is being appropriately licensed with their consent. "

That's it. It was with consent. That's what I wrote about, not any other part.

Now please get an old rope so it won't scratch my neck while you are doing the hanging.  :)



Pete, love ya like a brother man, But Maybe just maybe you got nothing to lose, Some of us do and we are concerned. please let us be concerned. No conspiracy, No BS or theories. I/WE want the facts. Plain and simple and please let us determine whats right for us. OK My Friend.

« Reply #127 on: November 16, 2014, 12:14 »
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I do not support the pricing or the plan at all. I never said one word defending that. (talk about people and putting words in someone else's mouth) My point was as lost as, the comment from BS - you aren't going to find your work from SS on BS for pennies. No one else will either.

"The contributors who are participating have all opted-in and all of the content is being appropriately licensed with their consent. "

That's it. It was with consent. That's what I wrote about, not any other part.

Now please get an old rope so it won't scratch my neck while you are doing the hanging.  :)



Pete, love ya like a brother man, But Maybe just maybe you got nothing to lose, Some of us do and we are concerned. please let us be concerned. No conspiracy, No BS or theories. I/WE want the facts. Plain and simple and please let us determine whats right for us. OK My Friend.

You are missing the point altogether Uncle Pete, the important talking and action points are NOT inconsequential excerpts from the PR blurbs shutterstock/BS released after making a drastic price point move that is detrimental to the entire industry.

The important talking and action points should be, what are we going to do about shutterstocks negative move. Maybe someone needs to let the Russian community know about this, they seem to be able to organize appropriate responses to predatory moves by the micro market that devalue our assets.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2014, 13:20 by gbalex »

« Reply #128 on: November 16, 2014, 16:37 »
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Again my question is.. If you were a SS video contributor and let BS have your videos for 15 cents each..What is the backdoor deal.????????????????????????????????? The videos I looked at on BS are very high quality for the most part. They are not homeboy made. Clearly Pro all the way. Got to be a story for the  deal cut that BS made to the SS contributors.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #129 on: November 16, 2014, 23:40 »
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I used to think you were intelligent. I wrote that people were not going to FIND their images and that SS wasn't porting over there images without permission. Nothing else. But you insist that I'm missing the point and other talking actions.

I say - Tomorrow is Monday and you want to argue that we should be fighting over last Wednesday? And then claiming I'm somehow saying something I never said, about Wednesday? Now who's missing the point?

Go read my first post. It hasn't been edited, it's not about YOUR talking points. It just states a simple fact. People who are in the program were asked in advance and opted in. Try reading this one more time:

"The contributors who are participating have all opted-in and all of the content is being appropriately licensed with their consent. "

Nothing Else!

Get It?

No I don't think it's a good idea. I wouldn't allow my work to be included. The price is too low. But that's not what I wrote.




I do not support the pricing or the plan at all. I never said one word defending that. (talk about people and putting words in someone else's mouth) My point was as lost as, the comment from BS - you aren't going to find your work from SS on BS for pennies. No one else will either.

"The contributors who are participating have all opted-in and all of the content is being appropriately licensed with their consent. "

That's it. It was with consent. That's what I wrote about, not any other part.

Now please get an old rope so it won't scratch my neck while you are doing the hanging.  :)



Pete, love ya like a brother man, But Maybe just maybe you got nothing to lose, Some of us do and we are concerned. please let us be concerned. No conspiracy, No BS or theories. I/WE want the facts. Plain and simple and please let us determine whats right for us. OK My Friend.

You are missing the point altogether Uncle Pete, the important talking and action points are NOT inconsequential excerpts from the PR blurbs shutterstock/BS released after making a drastic price point move that is detrimental to the entire industry.

The important talking and action points should be, what are we going to do about shutterstocks negative move. Maybe someone needs to let the Russian community know about this, they seem to be able to organize appropriate responses to predatory moves by the micro market that devalue our assets.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #130 on: November 17, 2014, 00:27 »
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Try This for missing the point?

That is ridiculous.  I wonder if the "bridge to bigstock" conveys videos there. (Edit - Mine don't seem to be there)

Mine don't seem to be there either. I am on the bridge program. That's good unless the video collection is new and Shutterstock intends to move them over.

OMG this is beyond believe! I dont have my account at BS anymore (closed it when the subs came) but i am worried that Shutterstock may just transfer all their videos there. Can they do that? Please Shuttestock confirm to us that this is not happening because otherwise I will have to start deleting my videos from Shutterstock.

Where are they getting the content from? Which video contributor would agree to those prices?

Well that 's the question isn't it. Bigstock belongs to Shutterstock. Anything prevents them from bringing the videos over? And, as the new SS contributor agreement states, our deletions wont take effect until 90 days (?) after ?

If my videos from SS appear there I will certainly cancel my Bigstock account. My 200 videos on Shutterstock earn me several times more monthly than my 7500 images on BS, so it wont be much of a loss.
I really don't understand this. Return per download for videos on Shutterstock is growing nicely, and volume of sales too. Sometimes I get video commissions like  80-150 USD...

i contacted support to kill all my files at bigstock. This guys..  >:(

Checked, and my videos are not there.

We should find out where do they get the content from. And do the content owners know about this?

If my videos  get pipelined over to Bigstock with those prices I will have no choice but to pull them from SS. That leaves only p5 who makes me any money, forcing me to reconsider video exclusivity with Istock.

Right here in time, BigStock answers that it's by an Opt-In contract and those contributors agreed in advance

We need urgent explanation from SS! ASAP

...
But to opt in all files is very strange. they know that the contributors did not upload their content for this price model.

I was just talking about Bigstock with a friend yesterday, wondering if uploading videos to Bigstock was a good idea.


Mostly I worry about  agencies taking in content under one business model, then abruptly changing that business model without giving us an opt out, the way fotolia did with DPC.


If this moves forward will the bridge program FORCE IN OUR VIDEOS or will we be able to opt out? It is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT that we have an opt out from this scheme to erode video to worse than photos.

I get $19 for a video on SS, I need to sell that same video 127 times now on BS to make the same.

if ever there was a time to pull all of your work to send a very clear message that this is not acceptable, this is it. it's crap or get of the pot time.

That is ridiculous.  I wonder if the "bridge to bigstock" conveys videos there. (Edit - Mine don't seem to be there)

Im on bridge also. If mine show up, I will instantly delete them, If I can't I will delete my account, This is Very sad.

Yes, I learnt the last days that the way for videos to go to bigstock is via ss, not by direct upload as I was told.

so at the moment I don't have to worry that my files will be affected.

Do those who have files on bigstock know about this new offer? Maybe they were asked and agreed to this experiment?

or perhaps it is their own content? I mean, if it is their own files, they can obviously do whatever they like.

None of Mine are there especially good sellers. I wrote them and asked directly whats up. If I get an answer I'll post it. I did write PM's to some of the biggest Video Players alerting them of this. We need more info from whos in charge about there Plans with our content going forward.

So  is some of the regular SS videos being shuttled on to the BS site, with or without the contributors' knowledge?

Second person explains the same again.

Big Stock rep said the contributors had opted in

But I'm missing the point. By quoted what BigStock wrote two pages before?

"The contributors who are participating have all opted-in and all of the content is being appropriately licensed with their consent. "

« Reply #131 on: November 17, 2014, 00:33 »
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Pete I refuse to waste digital space or energy talking about PR blurbs from shutterstock. I will spend my time contacting the video contributors I know who will be impacted by this predatory business move to squeeze contributors.

A company can increase its Gross Margin in two ways. It can increase the prices of the goods it sells and keeps its Cost of Goods Sold unchanged. Or it can keep the sales price unchanged and squeeze its suppliers to reduce the Cost of Goods Sold.

We all know which option shutterstock consistently chooses and with this move they just dropped to a new low. 

Uncle Pete

« Reply #132 on: November 17, 2014, 10:10 »
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I was writing about something else and actually answering questions that were posted on the forum. Where did the images come from and did the people know?

You can go have your fun contacting people, make sure you contact the people who opted in and were asked to join the program, because that's where all of it came from. They will want to know how you feel about their personal decisions.

Pete I refuse to waste digital space or energy talking about PR blurbs from shutterstock. I will spend my time contacting the video contributors I know who will be impacted by this predatory business move to squeeze contributors.

A company can increase its Gross Margin in two ways. It can increase the prices of the goods it sells and keeps its Cost of Goods Sold unchanged. Or it can keep the sales price unchanged and squeeze its suppliers to reduce the Cost of Goods Sold.

We all know which option shutterstock consistently chooses and with this move they just dropped to a new low.

« Reply #133 on: November 17, 2014, 11:11 »
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Sigh

Most of us are well aware of this point Pete, we could read it in the PR blurb shutterstock posted in this thread the first time and we are well aware that they made a closed doors deal with those contributor who are included in this roll out.

However most video contributors do not know about it, and I am very sure they will not be at all happy with this new deal and price structure that significantly devalues their content.

You did and do miss the point, it does not matter if those folks opted in and are okay with this deal; the majority of contributors will not be pleased with this new pricing as it is financially detrimental to the entire industry.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2014, 11:17 by gbalex »

Uncle Pete

« Reply #134 on: November 17, 2014, 12:11 »
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Well for people who are well aware, after the announcement why did about eight of them ask if they would find if their video was on BS from SS there and asked where did the images come from?

Asked and answered, for other people. But you insist I'm writing to you?



Sigh

Most of us are well aware of this point Pete, we could read it in the PR blurb shutterstock posted in this thread the first time and we are well aware that they made a closed doors deal with those contributor who are included in this roll out.

However most video contributors do not know about it, and I am very sure they will not be at all happy with this new deal and price structure that significantly devalues their content.

You did and do miss the point, it does not matter if those folks opted in and are okay with this deal; the majority of contributors will not be pleased with this new pricing as it is financially detrimental to the entire industry.

« Reply #135 on: November 19, 2014, 02:49 »
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I'm a video contributor and I sent a site mail to Shutterstock. Here is the text:

"Good morning sirs.
I cannot find if I opted in for selling footage on other sites, connected with
agreements or ownership with Shutterstock.
For exemple Big Stock.
You know there are some discussions about the last commercial proposals of that
agency in term of footage. I don't succed in finding information about it. I would like to avoid that my footage would be sold at really really little prices. Can
you help me telling me if a risk that situation or if I have to opt out some
condition of our agreement? "

Here is the answer:

"Dear Luca,
Thank you for your email. Please know that the footage clips you submit to Shutterstock is only licensed through Shutterstock. You footage clips will not be licensed through Bigstock without your permission. We hope this clarifies the issue for you.
Kind Regards,
Shutterstock Compliance"

Ranker

« Reply #136 on: November 19, 2014, 05:30 »
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A
« Last Edit: November 20, 2014, 02:26 by Ranker »

« Reply #137 on: November 19, 2014, 09:45 »
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I received that answer and my footage is not on BigStock.
I opted in for subscription in SS, and I always get around 20 dollars per download.
For the moment I feel ok with the answer and the evidence of my position.
I wrote a site mail becouse I didn't want to partecipate in any way to the BigStock affair.
I decided also to not upload to dissolve becouse of there policy of the 5 dollars footage.
Until the sites provide around 20 dollars for download I can stand it otherwise it's simply not worthy

KB

« Reply #138 on: November 19, 2014, 12:00 »
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An email from SS seems to contradict that reply from their customer service

http://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/ss-sends-mass-mail-with-open-adresslist
In what way does that email contradict that our clips will not be licensed through BS without our permission? That email was referring only to opting in to SS subscriptions; it has nothing to do with BS sales.

However, while it is good that our clips won't be sold on BS without our permission, the fact that SS is selling clips on BS for such ridiculously low prices is what really matters.

« Reply #139 on: November 19, 2014, 12:28 »
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An email from SS seems to contradict that reply from their customer service

http://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/ss-sends-mass-mail-with-open-adresslist
In what way does that email contradict that our clips will not be licensed through BS without our permission? That email was referring only to opting in to SS subscriptions; it has nothing to do with BS sales.

However, while it is good that our clips won't be sold on BS without our permission, the fact that SS is selling clips on BS for such ridiculously low prices is what really matters.


Completely agree, we should be very concerned by the fact that BS is devaluing video pricing for the entire market by selling clips at an ultra ultra low price point.

Ranker

« Reply #140 on: November 19, 2014, 12:38 »
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It has to do with the fact that SS owns BS, SS says they dont sell video through subscription but they are now reaching out to buyers to ask them if they want to get a video subscription on SS. Unless I missed something.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2014, 02:25 by Ranker »

KB

« Reply #141 on: November 19, 2014, 12:54 »
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It has to do with the fact that SS owns BS, SS says they dont sell video through subscription but they are now reaching out to buyers to ask them if they want to get a video subscription on SS. Unless I missed something.
:o  :o

Most of my SS video sales (> 50%, certainly) are and always have been through subscription. Where did you get the idea they say they don't sell video through subscriptions?

« Reply #142 on: November 19, 2014, 14:19 »
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It has to do with the fact that SS owns BS, SS says they dont sell video through subscription but they are now reaching out to buyers to ask them if they want to get a video subscription on SS. Unless I missed something.
:o  :o

Most of my SS video sales (> 50%, certainly) are and always have been through subscription. Where did you get the idea they say they don't sell video through subscriptions?

I think they meant subscriptions of the 15 cent kind. ;)

Ranker

« Reply #143 on: November 20, 2014, 02:25 »
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Ok guys, I had it wrong, in the heat of the moment I jumped the gun

« Reply #144 on: November 20, 2014, 13:08 »
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Ok guys, I had it wrong, in the heat of the moment I jumped the gun


Maybe you did, maybe you didn't.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143339


« Reply #145 on: November 20, 2014, 16:21 »
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I haven't read the whole thread, but this scheme is just too stupid to continue over a long period of time. Maybe the collection size will be limited or the program will be terminated.
So far, this kind of stunts was pulled off by loser sites, such as Fotolia or Istock. SS is one of 2 leaders in the footage market.
Let's assume SS has 30%-40% share of the market. Let's assume they are successful with this stupid move, kill most of their competition and increase their share to 90% (which is unrealistic because many producers would pull their content). A growth from 30% to 90% market share would mean a threefold increase. Now, could this unlikely growth compensate for a decrease in price from up to $79 per HD clip to $0.15? If you know the exact royalty rates for footage, please deduct them and do the maths, I'm too tired right now. How many times less is it?

Does 0.15 even cover the bandwidth, reviewing and storage costs?

I agree that this scheme is stupid but at the moment I'm not panicking.
I think more dangerous to the footage market are idiots who charge $50 for top quality HD and $90 for 4K on Pond5, and those who upload clips to DT, Envato and other gangster sites.
« Last Edit: November 20, 2014, 16:25 by Realist »

Rinderart

« Reply #146 on: November 22, 2014, 14:15 »
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« Reply #147 on: November 22, 2014, 17:49 »
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Finally a thread about this on SS.Join in.

http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2780817#2780817


Cannot get in. When I was banned I still had viewing privileges, but just wasn't allowed to post. Anthony said the ban shouldn't be that long but now, years later, they yanked even my viewing privileges, for what reason I don't know. I can promise SS one thing. If I got my privileges back I would never post there, but I would read threads like you attached.

Oh well.

Ranker

« Reply #148 on: November 22, 2014, 18:51 »
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Just log out and read it

« Reply #149 on: November 22, 2014, 18:55 »
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Just log out and read it

Well that was flipping easy, thanks.


 

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