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Title: DT has died for me
Post by: Allsa on February 17, 2016, 21:15
I have not had any downloads in the past 3 days at DT. That NEVER happens, whatever they did to the search algorithm completely killed my port. I've been with them since 2004 and it's never been this bad.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: angelawaye on February 17, 2016, 21:52
It use to be one of my top earners. It is very sad what has happened. They have dropped off so bad...

I'm uploading to istock now that they are accepting everything...
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on February 17, 2016, 22:12
I have not had any downloads in the past 3 days at DT. That NEVER happens, whatever they did to the search algorithm completely killed my port. I've been with them since 2004 and it's never been this bad.

DT is doing very poorly for me. They have almost the same set of images that Shutterstock does but they manage about 1/10  the income. I've had 3 sub downloads today, but prior to that there was one sub on Feb 9th!! It's pitiful. I see weekdays without downloads and the occasional credit sale on a level 4 or 5 image doesn't even begin to make up for the loss of volume.

Looking just at January, I made less than half what I did in Jan 2015 and about 28% of what I made in Jan 2013.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Hongover on February 17, 2016, 23:34
I'm still $40 from my first payout. In not sure if I should remove my small portfolio when that happens and put all my efforts behind the bigger earners or leave it there and wait another year or two to earn another payout.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: authenticcreations on February 18, 2016, 01:30
I would keep the photos there. It doesnt hurt. Sale is a sale. Anyway DT was also one of the big earners and changed now. The same can happen with big earners now. I would keep my photos everywhere. Maybe next year DT is on top again. Mirco
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: 50% on February 18, 2016, 02:09
I would keep my portfolio too, but considering their special requirements (minimum 5 word description, title must be different from description) it's not worth for me too upload there anymore, sales are very low and not worth the extra effort.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Chichikov on February 18, 2016, 04:16
For me DT is a site with an "antique" spirit.
The world of microstock, the needs of customers, the way to communicate have changed a lot these last 10 years (and in the era of Internet 10 years are so much).
And DT did not get it; they refuse to change because of some kind of stupid pride (only idiots never change opinion), and don't adapt to the real needs of the actual market.
In a world moving so fast or you adapt or you die…

---
On DT sales are very spasmodic… one day 10 sales, then one week without any sale, and (do it) again (Serban)…
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: rene on February 18, 2016, 07:03
DT is dead for me.
I will vive thème few months then Delage m'y portfolio if nothing changes.
I am tired to support sites without nothing in exchange. Less images they will have in their library, more chance buyers will shop on sites which pay me.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: littleny on February 18, 2016, 08:51
DT is dead for me.
I will vive thème few months then Delage m'y portfolio if nothing changes.
I am tired to support sites without nothing in exchange. Less images they will have in their library, more chance buyers will shop on sites which pay me.
i agree.  DT was my 2nd top earner.  now..its sunk to the ranks for Canstock.  Fotolia on the other hand has taken off after many years of submitting suddenly in the past 6 months (around the time DT died).  i recently posted on DT's own message board requesting advise from the seasoned pro's who are earning and not a single person was able to offer advise. 
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Hongover on February 18, 2016, 09:11
I would keep the photos there. It doesnt hurt. Sale is a sale. Anyway DT was also one of the big earners and changed now. The same can happen with big earners now. I would keep my photos everywhere. Maybe next year DT is on top again. Mirco

I think my concern is that if the site continue to slow down at its current rate, I may not even reach another payout without uploading more content. I'm being optimistic when I say I may reach it in a year or two.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: PixelBytes on February 18, 2016, 14:05
I would keep the photos there. It doesnt hurt. Sale is a sale. Anyway DT was also one of the big earners and changed now. The same can happen with big earners now. I would keep my photos everywhere. Maybe next year DT is on top again. Mirco

This is very good advice.  You already went to the trouble of uploading them.   The way this industry changes from year to year, you never know who's gonna be up or down next.  Year or two ago, FT was all but dead for me, and people pulling ports rigjt and left over DPC issue.  Then Adobe buys them and now they are a great earner.  DT is still owned by its original owner.  He might sell out to a big company and then DT could be on top of the heap.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Harvepino on February 19, 2016, 06:11
I'm still making the same money on DT, but 200% larger port than year ago, and 500% larger than two years ago. Lengthy submission process. Not my favourite agency.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: mojaric on February 19, 2016, 08:04
i'm having very few sales on DT ...i've just 900 img and around 15 sales in month... but i will continue to upload batches because the upload process is not so painfull
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Mantis on February 19, 2016, 08:09
I would keep the photos there. It doesnt hurt. Sale is a sale. Anyway DT was also one of the big earners and changed now. The same can happen with big earners now. I would keep my photos everywhere. Maybe next year DT is on top again. Mirco

This is very good advice.  You already went to the trouble of uploading them.   The way this industry changes from year to year, you never know who's gonna be up or down next.  Year or two ago, FT was all but dead for me, and people pulling ports rigjt and left over DPC issue.  Then Adobe buys them and now they are a great earner.  DT is still owned by its original owner.  He might sell out to a big company and then DT could be on top of the heap.

I agree. DT is still a somewhat fair agency, but I don
t like how they've set up the search to spread the wealth because that means it is no longer about the quality (or usability) of your images. It is about volume.  I have 2-3 big volume images that no longer get downloaded there.  And, strangely, my old stuff has been selling in trickles lately.  But if DT is in trouble, they are likely to be bought rather than simply closing down. So, for me it's not bad enough to yank my port yet. 
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: fotografer on February 19, 2016, 14:52
  i recently posted on DT's own message board requesting advise from the seasoned pro's who are earning and not a single person was able to offer advise.
Maybe the big earners don't want to advise people how to to take their sales from them ;)
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on February 19, 2016, 15:28
DT makes good returns on older popular images, which makes for a good balance with other sites making more for newer images. If you have been doing this less than a couple of years don't expect DT to perform as well as other sites. It is for the long haul.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: H2O on February 19, 2016, 15:55
I used to make $100 every month then for a few months it went to around $50, then it just complete fell off a cliff.

They have a hugh problem with content, designers and I am a designer so I know, really like photographs at multiply angles and lots of variations of the same image, we need them when we put our designs together.

I hate having perfectly decent images rejected because of their similar policy, I find it a complete waste of my time.

I suspect that they are protecting their exclusives by rotating less to the independents, this is not how to run a site, if your work is good it should sell.

They have completely missed this market and it is difficult for them to get it back, DT is heading one way.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Chichikov on February 20, 2016, 03:16
I used to make $100 every month then for a few months it went to around $50, then it just complete fell off a cliff.

They have a hugh problem with content, designers and I am a designer so I know, really like photographs at multiply angles and lots of variations of the same image, we need them when we put our designs together.

I hate having perfectly decent images rejected because of their similar policy, I find it a complete waste of my time.

I suspect that they are protecting their exclusives by rotating less to the independents, this is not how to run a site, if your work is good it should sell.

They have completely missed this market and it is difficult for them to get it back, DT is heading one way.

It seems that in DT they have not an idea of the "real work world"; they probably have not an idea about the work process of a designer (projecting, gathering material, evaluating, choosing, etc…)
These people sale images but they don't know/understand for what and how they will be used.

Two years ago I have had some email exchange with Serban, trying to share with him my personal experience in the world of image and visual communication (I have been advertising photographer and designer for more than 25 years and creative director in marketing and advertising agencies for 11 years, so I think that I have a little idea of how it works…) At last he stayed on his positions, refusing to see/admit the reality.

Sorry for them, it is their business… but if they are so proud to not admit their errors and are happy like this we cannot do a lot…
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Nikovsk on February 20, 2016, 08:01
Honestly I don't care. One less agency to upload to.

I still leave my port to make a payout every couple of years though.

If the same happened to FT or SS, then I'd be worried.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: mcuda on February 24, 2016, 14:34
I think DT has pretty much flopped and it seemed to happen about the same time as the Adobe/Fotolia purchase.  I don't know if it had anything to do with that, but it does seem like more than a coincidence.  I always liked DT and Pond5, but both of them are totally worthless right now to me.  I'll keep my port going because of the occasional EL, but other than that, I think they shouldn't even be a consideration.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: enstoker on February 24, 2016, 15:30
Honestly I don't care. One less agency to upload to.

I still leave my port to make a payout every couple of years though.

If the same happened to FT or SS, then I'd be worried.

Welcome in my club.
 ;)
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: rimglow on February 24, 2016, 15:59
They still reject as similar, if the subject is shot at two different angles. Just happened to me.  :P
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: akaWinning on February 27, 2016, 04:26
I just put my request in to DT to drop me as an exclusive contributor.  I'm planning to fire the operation back up and start shooting new photo and video footage, but to make it even remotely possible to make money on it,  I'm going to have to join SS and IS and upload there as well.  In addition, going forward, I plan to do some shoots and retain the whole of those in my own personal library of images, which will not be made available to any of these agencies, and will be available only through direct licensing with me.  Still waiting on DT to come through with my request but it has only been since Thursday (Feb 25th).......
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: jonbull on February 27, 2016, 11:03
I just put my request in to DT to drop me as an exclusive contributor.  I'm planning to fire the operation back up and start shooting new photo and video footage, but to make it even remotely possible to make money on it,  I'm going to have to join SS and IS and upload there as well.  In addition, going forward, I plan to do some shoots and retain the whole of those in my own personal library of images, which will not be made available to any of these agencies, and will be available only through direct licensing with me.  Still waiting on DT to come through with my request but it has only been since Thursday (Feb 25th).......

totally useless....another contributor? 1 million images week added...we need other contributor in ss and is? i hope sorry for you they stop adding contributor...is completely useless
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: etudiante_rapide on February 27, 2016, 11:23
Honestly I don't care. One less agency to upload to.

I still leave my port to make a payout every couple of years though.

If the same happened to FT or SS, then I'd be worried.

Welcome in my club.
 ;)

LMAO and me makes 3 !!!
as i said before, i make more with ss... (as bad as everyone of us make them sound to be here
every so often)... in one month than i make with
comatose
dreamstime in a couple of
years. 
what more the PITA emails i still get every month saying "you have images with zero dl in 3 years
" or whatever crappola they send me is the biggest PITA.
if there is zero dl in 3 years for any images it is dreamstime problem not mine..
why ask me to give it away for free ???

back to ss, even if i have any images, which i don't, with 0 dl in 3 years, ss would never
be a PITA like that, because they do something about it, like that undiscovered or whatever
they call it.  they know it's not a call to do such an idiotic thing..."give away your work for free
since you got 0 dl in 3 years!!!!
*for fark sake
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Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Hongover on February 27, 2016, 20:34
I just put my request in to DT to drop me as an exclusive contributor.  I'm planning to fire the operation back up and start shooting new photo and video footage, but to make it even remotely possible to make money on it,  I'm going to have to join SS and IS and upload there as well.  In addition, going forward, I plan to do some shoots and retain the whole of those in my own personal library of images, which will not be made available to any of these agencies, and will be available only through direct licensing with me.  Still waiting on DT to come through with my request but it has only been since Thursday (Feb 25th).......

totally useless....another contributor? 1 million images week added...we need other contributor in ss and is? i hope sorry for you they stop adding contributor...is completely useless

But you're still uploading...so why can't he upload as well?
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Mantis on February 27, 2016, 21:16
I just put my request in to DT to drop me as an exclusive contributor.  I'm planning to fire the operation back up and start shooting new photo and video footage, but to make it even remotely possible to make money on it,  I'm going to have to join SS and IS and upload there as well.  In addition, going forward, I plan to do some shoots and retain the whole of those in my own personal library of images, which will not be made available to any of these agencies, and will be available only through direct licensing with me.  Still waiting on DT to come through with my request but it has only been since Thursday (Feb 25th).......

totally useless....another contributor? 1 million images week added...we need other contributor in ss and is? i hope sorry for you they stop adding contributor...is completely useless

Your comment is what is useless.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Lana on February 28, 2016, 05:28
I just put my request in to DT to drop me as an exclusive contributor.  I'm planning to fire the operation back up and start shooting new photo and video footage, but to make it even remotely possible to make money on it,  I'm going to have to join SS and IS and upload there as well.  In addition, going forward, I plan to do some shoots and retain the whole of those in my own personal library of images, which will not be made available to any of these agencies, and will be available only through direct licensing with me.  Still waiting on DT to come through with my request but it has only been since Thursday (Feb 25th).......

totally useless....another contributor? 1 million images week added...we need other contributor in ss and is? i hope sorry for you they stop adding contributor...is completely useless

Is it really? Are you out of your frigging mind?? Why don't you ask everyone to stop uploading to SS so you could have it all to yourself?
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: etudiante_rapide on February 28, 2016, 10:53
I just put my request in to DT to drop me as an exclusive contributor.  I'm planning to fire the operation back up and start shooting new photo and video footage, but to make it even remotely possible to make money on it,  I'm going to have to join SS and IS and upload there as well.  In addition, going forward, I plan to do some shoots and retain the whole of those in my own personal library of images, which will not be made available to any of these agencies, and will be available only through direct licensing with me.  Still waiting on DT to come through with my request but it has only been since Thursday (Feb 25th).......

totally useless....another contributor? 1 million images week added...we need other contributor in ss and is? i hope sorry for you they stop adding contributor...is completely useless

Is it really? Are you out of your frigging mind?? Why don't you ask everyone to stop uploading to SS so you could have it all to yourself?

LMAO , so what if we all did. it won't make a difference to anyone's earnings. ..
anymore than after sean or yuri quit is or ss.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: marthamarks on February 29, 2016, 09:46
Just when I find myself agreeing with others that DT is "dead," they come up with a nice surprise for me.

I've actually been quite happy with DT lately. Not a lot of sales, but the ones I get are larger than most other sites deliver.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Phadrea on April 01, 2016, 01:11
DT needs to be ranked far lower than the place it is here. Why is it above IS ? DT is abysmal for sales. $2 for the whole month. Absolutely dire.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: fotografer on April 01, 2016, 01:24
DT needs to be ranked far lower than the place it is here. Why is it above IS ? DT is abysmal for sales. $2 for the whole month. Absolutely dire.
DT makes me a lot more than IS as I stopped uploading to IS a couple of years ago so it is much higher in the ratings for me.  I was making more at DT even before I stopped uploading to IS
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Pauws99 on April 01, 2016, 01:38
Always been the most variable site for me....quite good last month whether its the end of a slow long term decline remains to be seen
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: solovan16 on April 01, 2016, 02:13
for me to dead
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on April 01, 2016, 05:18
I was doing okay with DT, last couple of months I am seeing a downturn. 123RF is now beating DT by a long way for me, used to be about neck and neck.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: PZF on April 13, 2016, 02:00
I'm beginning to wonder if it has closed down completely without telling anybody!
Nothing for several days and before that only a couple of subs.....
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: DennisJacobsen on April 16, 2016, 03:54
Same here .. from one day to another no sales from DT  ??? its wery strange ...
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: cascoly on April 18, 2016, 12:51
Just when I find myself agreeing with others that DT is "dead," they come up with a nice surprise for me.

I've actually been quite happy with DT lately. Not a lot of sales, but the ones I get are larger than most other sites deliver.

I've seen the same -- DT has dropped from consistent #2 -3 to #3-6 per month -- subs have mostly disappeared, but the $2-8 sales have allowed it to continue to tread water
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Hildegarde on April 18, 2016, 19:38
DT has picked up for me lately.  Sadly, it is almost as high as SS.  For me, SS is one of my low earners.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: PhotoDude on April 20, 2016, 00:50
DT has picked up for me lately.  Sadly, it is almost as high as SS.  For me, SS is one of my low earners.
Wow, that is really interesting! If you do not mind my curiosity, which genre sells so bad on SS? I always thought SS is one of the top performers for 99% of photographers here :)
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Phadrea on April 20, 2016, 01:12
Dt = Dead Dead Dead Dead Dead. SS = Low but far better.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rinderart on May 18, 2016, 14:44
Im getting a nice Uptick from DT in the last 45 days. Fingers crossed. Used to be a very good earner for me. been with them since Day 1.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Pauws99 on May 19, 2016, 02:23
Im seeing a bit more activity its always been hugely variable for me. I've always liked this site its the only one that seems to sell my personal favourite pics ;-)
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Chichikov on May 19, 2016, 04:22
This month my sales are less than 10% of usual.
And my images are pending "ETR: N/A" for almost one month now…

I don't know what conclusion to draw …
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rinderart on May 19, 2016, 23:10
Uptick doesn't mean anything more than that. $500 a month was clockwork for me for 8 Out of 10 years from them...Then,,, Bam..... a 100 a Month, if that. I see slight Movement. It want it to happen again for them But...... Oh well. And this audio deal....what ? did someone there Just wake up. thats Pretty old school Now.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rinderart on May 19, 2016, 23:15
Also..... I hate to say the thing they have about deleting Images is the best Move in all Of Microstock and I wish SS and the others did it.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: PhotoBomb on May 19, 2016, 23:17
Also..... I hate to say the thing they have about deleting Images is the best Move in all Of Microstock and I wish SS and the others did it.


but then there's this

http://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/88521-dont-delete-anything/ (http://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/88521-dont-delete-anything/)
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Chichikov on May 20, 2016, 00:23
Also..... I hate to say the thing they have about deleting Images is the best Move in all Of Microstock and I wish SS and the others did it.


but then there's this

[url]http://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/88521-dont-delete-anything/[/url] ([url]http://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/88521-dont-delete-anything/[/url])


And this too
http://www.microstockgroup.com/27541/27541/msg454075/#msg454075 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/27541/27541/msg454075/#msg454075)
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Mantis on May 20, 2016, 08:04
Also..... I hate to say the thing they have about deleting Images is the best Move in all Of Microstock and I wish SS and the others did it.

Honestly, they way agencies are going, like P5 for example, I would not delete a thing. Getting content approved is the new challenge these days and pulling content that hasn't sold means less customer options, smaller ports, lower selling opportunity, even if the image hadn't sold at all in years. I sell odd stuff all the time, maybe not $129 SOD, but I do get odd sales.  It is my opinion that the only way you cull your port is if the agency does it to you.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: MircoV on May 20, 2016, 08:41
I agree with Mantis.

You can not delete such kind of images. If you keep only popular topics then many clients that are looking for something else will be disappointed. I sold the craziest things.

Client should have the largest choice as possible.

I don't think the amount of images is a issue. I think it is a advantage. The issue is bad keywording or a not good working search engine.

Look on the right and you will see that the agencies with the largest collections are on the top. Again for the client a large choice is important. If you see it on the contributor perspective then it is a different story. But as in every business the client is important.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Dumc on May 20, 2016, 09:02
So true. I sold this one http://www.bigstockphoto.com/image-63808306/ (http://www.bigstockphoto.com/image-63808306/) as an EL on Bigstock, for example.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Phadrea on May 23, 2016, 02:48
A long time with no sales then a few. A long time with no sales then a few. A long time with no sales then a few. That's the pattern. Awful place despite uploading new content all the while.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rinderart on May 23, 2016, 12:37
Also..... I hate to say the thing they have about deleting Images is the best Move in all Of Microstock and I wish SS and the others did it.


but then there's this

[url]http://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/88521-dont-delete-anything/[/url] ([url]http://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/88521-dont-delete-anything/[/url])


Then it would be a Moot Point if sites did it. I wouldn't do it myself. But if all sites did it as standard. Im There.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Zero Talent on May 24, 2016, 13:04
I was able to request payments every month, for the past 10 months. I'll also get paid this month.
This is OK. I don't expect more from DT.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: substancep on May 24, 2016, 13:56
I've gotten five times more sales during the same time period on ss than on dt. Their review times have gotten considerably longer too.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Chichikov on May 25, 2016, 01:37
I've gotten five times more sales during the same time period on ss than on dt. Their review times have gotten considerably longer too.

Only five times? So your sales on DT are good.
Or your sales on Shutterstock are so bad?

This month I have already 400 times more sales on Shutterstock than on Dreamstime……
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: fotografer on May 25, 2016, 06:00

Only five times? So your sales on DT are good.
Or your sales on Shutterstock are so bad?

This month I have already 400 times more sales on Shutterstock than on Dreamstime……
I have just double earnings on SS as DT.    It's not like the old days but still ok.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: izzikiorage on May 25, 2016, 06:56
DT is way way down on my list despite having one of my biggest ports. People told me that it took time for DT to start paying off. Even after all these its still not happened
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: MircoV on May 25, 2016, 09:44
Why it should take time??? It is microstock. Photos can be sold directly from the first second images are online. I dont get for what they need the time.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: fotografer on May 25, 2016, 09:48
Why it should take time??? It is microstock. Photos can be sold directly from the first second images are online. I dont get for what they need the time.
Because the way their search engine works new images don't do well.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: substancep on May 26, 2016, 10:30
I've gotten five times more sales during the same time period on ss than on dt. Their review times have gotten considerably longer too.

Only five times? So your sales on DT are good.
Or your sales on Shutterstock are so bad?

This month I have already 400 times more sales on Shutterstock than on Dreamstime……

Just starting out, I have around a hundred images on both sites. The difference is still pretty significant.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Chichikov on May 26, 2016, 10:45
I really don't understand how works DT…
Almost no sales from the beginning of the month, and suddenly, today, 22 sales from $0.35 to $3.84…  :o

Bof……
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Pauws99 on May 26, 2016, 11:04
My ratio is about 5:1 but SS has never been as far ahead for me as many. According to the poll next door it "should" be around 7:1
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: airphoto.gr on May 26, 2016, 11:28
DT still works for me including some 5-6 $ commissions.

I just wish they didn't need 2 weeks to accept an image.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Albert Martin on May 31, 2016, 12:02
DT started dying with subscriptions introduction... All what was DT before it had gone!
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Dumc on June 11, 2016, 01:11
So whats hapenning with DT. I haven't had a single sale for over a month now. Not that I was making some serious money before, but I had regular sales. Mostly credits and also some subs. But now not a single sale from May 9th. This is just weird.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: fotografer on June 11, 2016, 04:22
So whats hapenning with DT. I haven't had a single sale for over a month now. Not that I was making some serious money before, but I had regular sales. Mostly credits and also some subs. But now not a single sale from May 9th. This is just weird.
They changed the search so that the default search is Best Selling instead of Most Relevant.  Some people do better from it some people do worse. Mostly the older contributors are doing better than the newer ones as they have more proven images.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: stockVid on June 11, 2016, 18:08
I haven't had a sale on DT in months and I'm stuck at $87 :(
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rick D on June 11, 2016, 21:58
DT has completely died for me also, I just sent in my 30 days notice to cancel exclusivity. I went from 20-40 sales per month, making $20-$30 (part time contributor) to just 10 in the last 30 days, total revenue, $10 approx.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rinderart on June 11, 2016, 23:29
exclusivity?? wow. can't blame DT for that Move.Why would you do That. Just curious. haven't heard anyone do that in many years.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rick D on June 12, 2016, 00:20
exclusivity?? wow. can't blame DT for that Move.Why would you do That. Just curious. haven't heard anyone do that in many years.

I'm not blaming DT, they have to do what's best for their business. My reason for going exclusive is that I was a n00b and contributing to stock is just a side project, something I do in my spare time. I signed up to multiple agencies then decided that it was too much hassle to maintain multiple portfolios. DT's exclusive package looked to be the best and I also had my first sale on the site compared to none on the others.
I'll be having a little more time on my hands going forward as I'm returning to college to study full time in August, so I can spend more time uploading and maintaining ports
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Minsc on June 12, 2016, 16:34
I haven't had a sale on DT in months and I'm stuck at $87 :(

I'm stuck at around $76. I need about $25 for my first ever payout. Maybe in 2017 at this rate.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Dumc on June 12, 2016, 16:36
Actually I had a sale about 1 hour after I wrote that post. 10 credits sale.... First sale after a month and a day
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Asthebelltolls on June 12, 2016, 16:41
And for me its 123rf.

The decline started in May and continues well into June.
One sale this month with 2000 images. :( Dreamstime
has continued "steady as she goes". Nothing earth
shattering but normal sales which suits me fine.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Dumc on June 12, 2016, 16:49
June is really good month for me on 123rf, already twice as my average, I had 2 5$+ LELs and then 1 sale for 11$+ + one for 3$+ and some other sales...
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: trek on June 12, 2016, 17:00
I think Dreamstime's strict policy of creating higher pricing by limiting variations needs revision.  Customers want variety and bargains.  The best art will rise to the top anyway. 
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Mantis on June 12, 2016, 17:12
DT is still drying up for me.  I think I will be at $50 for June, $65 for May.  That comes on the heels of $200 a month with an overnight cut, literally. As I've posted in previous DT threads, I wrote them to see what's happening.  They were kind in their response, but admitted that they changed the search to redistribute income to everyone regardless of asset merit.  That is pure C R A P. So all you have to do it submit junk and you too can make money, guaranteed (practically).  More and more contributors I speak with have all but given up on them.

As an aside, someone has the opportunity to really take the video business. With customers bailing on P5, they are going somewhere for their content. DT, or any agency, could make sweeping changes to re-invent the video model.  Right now, my trust in agencies is so low that I've lost all hope for any equitable returns.   
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: PixelBytes on June 12, 2016, 23:49
It is high time DT lowered their ridiculous payout threshold from $100 to something more attainable like $30-50.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Dumc on June 13, 2016, 00:46
That would be nice, but I think someone on this forum already asked them a few months ago if they can lower payout threshold and apparently they said no way.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Sebastian Radu on June 13, 2016, 01:01
I upload each month about 100 photos. And guess what ? My sales are going down... Maybe if I not upload anymore my sales will go up, who knows ?!...
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Dodie on June 14, 2016, 11:20
DT always was a low earner for me but never as bad as in the last month. I have 1 download $0.35 in the last 21 days. It's time for me to stop uploading there.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Zalee on June 14, 2016, 22:44
I wonder if they read these forums at all? I also wish they would lower their payout. Maybe if we all requested a lower payout it might happen?
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: jgolby on June 15, 2016, 07:43
I wonder if they read these forums at all? I also wish they would lower their payout. Maybe if we all requested a lower payout it might happen?

Won't happen, as long as you've got under $100 dollars they get to keep your sales. Like modern banking there isn't a pile of money somewhere with your name on just waiting to hit the payout total.

If they lowered the payout to a dollar and everyone at $1-99 withdrew it would probably bankrupt them at this stage. 
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Pauws99 on June 15, 2016, 09:22
I wonder if they read these forums at all? I also wish they would lower their payout. Maybe if we all requested a lower payout it might happen?

Won't happen, as long as you've got under $100 dollars they get to keep your sales. Like modern banking there isn't a pile of money somewhere with your name on just waiting to hit the payout total.

If they lowered the payout to a dollar and everyone at $1-99 withdrew it would probably bankrupt them at this stage.
They could only do it if they planned in advance so you are probably right in the short term. SS managed to lower there's but then they are sitting on a cash mountain.

Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rick D on June 16, 2016, 19:51
DT admitted that they changed the search to redistribute income to everyone regardless of asset merit.  That is pure C R A P. So all you have to do it submit junk and you too can make money, guaranteed (practically).  More and more contributors I speak with have all but given up on them.

DT actually changed their search results page to display Best Selling first as of May, so not everyone gets an income any more. Mostly it will be the old timers of the site whose images have had the chance to generate sales. Buyers can change the search results to display by most relevant, which was the previous default, but most probably won't.

The way I see it is it's not really worth uploading there anymore unless you have something truly original, otherwise it will just go to the bottom of the pile, never to be seen again. I cancelled my exclusivity and may continue to upload once I have my portfolio up and running on a few other sites, but it is definitely taking a back seat for now.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Dumc on June 17, 2016, 01:11
I don't know, how it's with DT, but with other agencies, default search is what you choose it to be. For example, if I search photos on SS, and then click on "relevant" tab, the next time, when I will perform search, it will first show "relevant" images
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: MircoV on June 17, 2016, 01:42
Anyway being exclusive there and missing on Shutterstock is a crazy waste. I earn on SS ten times more then when i was excl on DT.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: qwerty on June 17, 2016, 03:22
my earnings at DT are around 50% of what they were 4 years ago.
My number of sales have reduced but also RPD which was $1.40  now it's around $1

Subs use to get more money per download for higher level images
I use to get 50% commission on all credit sales.

I'm submitting to DT less photos per month than I did 4 years ago so some of the drop would be due to that.

The only people I see that are exclusive at DT seem to have around <1 sale per photo in the portfolio.

Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Rick D on June 17, 2016, 21:45
I don't know, how it's with DT, but with other agencies, default search is what you choose it to be. For example, if I search photos on SS, and then click on "relevant" tab, the next time, when I will perform search, it will first show "relevant" images

DT defaults to Best Selling (Used to be Most Relevant) every time you open a new web browser session, seems other agencies store your preference in cookies
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: stockyme on June 18, 2016, 04:11
and finally, one $0.35 sale after 25 days. It is really a dead site now...
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Phadrea on June 21, 2016, 02:04
Why, after uploading continually, do I not see sales for weeks, then a few in one go, then weeks without, then a few in one go, etc etc ?
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Steveball on June 21, 2016, 03:13
Just checked when my last sale was .... 40 days ago (sub!). Never been like this in the last 5 years.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Mantis on June 21, 2016, 07:50
Why, after uploading continually, do I not see sales for weeks, then a few in one go, then weeks without, then a few in one go, etc etc ?

This is their new way to ensure that sales get distributed fairly among all contributors.  Their model is not based on the value of your work and how much effort and quality you put into it.  Those who don't really care and upload crap get rewarded for that lack of effort.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Dumc on June 21, 2016, 12:45
Why, after uploading continually, do I not see sales for weeks, then a few in one go, then weeks without, then a few in one go, etc etc ?

This is their new way to ensure that sales get distributed fairly among all contributors.  Their model is not based on the value of your work and how much effort and quality you put into it.  Those who don't really care and upload crap get rewarded for that lack of effort.


Yeah, you've said it like 100 times before. We get it. But I don't believe that's the reason, since everybody is reporting lower sales. And search was cahnged (apparently) months ago. For me, disasterous sales are only for the last two months.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Minsc on June 21, 2016, 13:29
DT's traffic has been falling recently:

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dreamstime.com (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dreamstime.com)

Bounce rate is incredibly high at 59.3%, with page views at 2.93 (My personal site is 3.00, which goes to show how pathetic the DT page views are). Time on site is 2:32, which again is quite pathetic.

I believe they had a redesign for the public facing site recently, but it could be better and should have been done sooner. Once the user is logged in, the user experience is poor and confusing. DT has a lot of problems and I don't know if they can fix them before it's too late.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: increasingdifficulty on June 21, 2016, 15:39
Yes, the site looks very dated. They need a complete overhaul. A site that sells design-related assets must look its absolute best.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Mantis on June 21, 2016, 15:41
Why, after uploading continually, do I not see sales for weeks, then a few in one go, then weeks without, then a few in one go, etc etc ?

This is their new way to ensure that sales get distributed fairly among all contributors.  Their model is not based on the value of your work and how much effort and quality you put into it.  Those who don't really care and upload crap get rewarded for that lack of effort.


Yeah, you've said it like 100 times before. We get it. But I don't believe that's the reason, since everybody is reporting lower sales. And search was cahnged (apparently) months ago. For me, disasterous sales are only for the last two months.

I'm sharing this because there are NEW participants here every week. I am just trying to communicate what has been communicated to me by DT to new forum members. This isn't about you, so chill out.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 21, 2016, 20:45
I've been on DT since 2011 - my overall average is 62 DLs for about $68 per month.  Not too bad not too good either. I don't see a decline per say...
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: jareso on June 22, 2016, 02:00
Definitely not for me! My sales are actually getting better and better at Dreamstime!

My Dreamstime portfolio is just 1084 images total and it consists of "Slovakia travel" images mostly. Nature, landscapes and historical cultural heritage sceneries, such as pictures of Slovak castles, medieval towns or outdoor museums.

I have sales almost every day there! I mean, for example today I had 4 sales, yesterday 6 sales, the day before yesterday 7 sales, etc. These sales are of various types, some are subs some are credit sales. Last month I had total 195 sales at Dreamstime! It was actually my best month ever there!

This year I had 385 sales at Dreamstime total, so far.

It seems that pictures of Slovakia are in great demand there recently, maybe because of Slovak Presidency of the Council of the European Union. Who knows? But, I guess, that’s the reason.

Anyway, I am very satisfied with my sales at Dreamstime. I really can't say anything bad about them. :D
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Pauws99 on June 22, 2016, 11:09
Definitely not for me! My sales are actually getting better and better at Dreamstime!

My Dreamstime portfolio is just 1084 images total and it consists of "Slovakia travel" images mostly. Nature, landscapes and historical cultural heritage sceneries, such as pictures of Slovak castles, medieval towns or outdoor museums.

I have sales almost every day there! I mean, for example today I had 4 sales, yesterday 6 sales, the day before yesterday 7 sales, etc. These sales are of various types, some are subs some are credit sales. Last month I had total 195 sales at Dreamstime! It was actually my best month ever there!

This year I had 385 sales at Dreamstime total, so far.

It seems that pictures of Slovakia are in great demand there recently, maybe because of Slovak Presidency of the Council of the European Union. Who knows? But, I guess, that’s the reason.

Anyway, I am very satisfied with my sales at Dreamstime. I really can't say anything bad about them. :D
A reminder that you cannot always make sweeping conclusions based on your own experience for me DT is in slow decline but sounds like you have found an area in demand nice one :-)
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Microstock Posts on June 22, 2016, 22:58
Definitely not for me! My sales are actually getting better and better at Dreamstime!

My Dreamstime portfolio is just 1084 images total and it consists of "Slovakia travel" images mostly. Nature, landscapes and historical cultural heritage sceneries, such as pictures of Slovak castles, medieval towns or outdoor museums.

I have sales almost every day there! I mean, for example today I had 4 sales, yesterday 6 sales, the day before yesterday 7 sales, etc. These sales are of various types, some are subs some are credit sales. Last month I had total 195 sales at Dreamstime! It was actually my best month ever there!

This year I had 385 sales at Dreamstime total, so far.

It seems that pictures of Slovakia are in great demand there recently, maybe because of Slovak Presidency of the Council of the European Union. Who knows? But, I guess, that’s the reason.

Anyway, I am very satisfied with my sales at Dreamstime. I really can't say anything bad about them. :D
A reminder that you cannot always make sweeping conclusions based on your own experience for me DT is in slow decline but sounds like you have found an area in demand nice one :-)

So now we have to travel to Slovakia in order to get a lot of sales on DT.  ;D
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: DaRkWeeDo on June 23, 2016, 01:02
Definitely not for me! My sales are actually getting better and better at Dreamstime!

My Dreamstime portfolio is just 1084 images total and it consists of "Slovakia travel" images mostly. Nature, landscapes and historical cultural heritage sceneries, such as pictures of Slovak castles, medieval towns or outdoor museums.

I have sales almost every day there! I mean, for example today I had 4 sales, yesterday 6 sales, the day before yesterday 7 sales, etc. These sales are of various types, some are subs some are credit sales. Last month I had total 195 sales at Dreamstime! It was actually my best month ever there!

This year I had 385 sales at Dreamstime total, so far.

It seems that pictures of Slovakia are in great demand there recently, maybe because of Slovak Presidency of the Council of the European Union. Who knows? But, I guess, that’s the reason.

Anyway, I am very satisfied with my sales at Dreamstime. I really can't say anything bad about them. :D
A reminder that you cannot always make sweeping conclusions based on your own experience for me DT is in slow decline but sounds like you have found an area in demand nice one :-)

So now we have to travel to Slovakia in order to get a lot of sales on DT.  ;D

It should work for me since I might be moving there :)
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Pauws99 on June 23, 2016, 01:33
Definitely not for me! My sales are actually getting better and better at Dreamstime!

My Dreamstime portfolio is just 1084 images total and it consists of "Slovakia travel" images mostly. Nature, landscapes and historical cultural heritage sceneries, such as pictures of Slovak castles, medieval towns or outdoor museums.

I have sales almost every day there! I mean, for example today I had 4 sales, yesterday 6 sales, the day before yesterday 7 sales, etc. These sales are of various types, some are subs some are credit sales. Last month I had total 195 sales at Dreamstime! It was actually my best month ever there!

This year I had 385 sales at Dreamstime total, so far.

It seems that pictures of Slovakia are in great demand there recently, maybe because of Slovak Presidency of the Council of the European Union. Who knows? But, I guess, that’s the reason.

Anyway, I am very satisfied with my sales at Dreamstime. I really can't say anything bad about them. :D
A reminder that you cannot always make sweeping conclusions based on your own experience for me DT is in slow decline but sounds like you have found an area in demand nice one :-)

So now we have to travel to Slovakia in order to get a lot of sales on DT.  ;D
No you have to produce pictures Dreamstime customers want to buy
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Microstock Posts on June 23, 2016, 04:34
Definitely not for me! My sales are actually getting better and better at Dreamstime!

My Dreamstime portfolio is just 1084 images total and it consists of "Slovakia travel" images mostly. Nature, landscapes and historical cultural heritage sceneries, such as pictures of Slovak castles, medieval towns or outdoor museums.

I have sales almost every day there! I mean, for example today I had 4 sales, yesterday 6 sales, the day before yesterday 7 sales, etc. These sales are of various types, some are subs some are credit sales. Last month I had total 195 sales at Dreamstime! It was actually my best month ever there!

This year I had 385 sales at Dreamstime total, so far.

It seems that pictures of Slovakia are in great demand there recently, maybe because of Slovak Presidency of the Council of the European Union. Who knows? But, I guess, that’s the reason.

Anyway, I am very satisfied with my sales at Dreamstime. I really can't say anything bad about them. :D
A reminder that you cannot always make sweeping conclusions based on your own experience for me DT is in slow decline but sounds like you have found an area in demand nice one :-)

So now we have to travel to Slovakia in order to get a lot of sales on DT.  ;D
No you have to produce pictures Dreamstime customers want to buy

I knew what they liked years ago when they would buy my images in droves, I assumed Dt's customer base had seriously dropped since then, but I'm open to the possibility that it could just be me who has managed to unlearn how to create good stock.
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Pauws99 on June 23, 2016, 05:49
"I knew what they liked years ago when they would buy my images in droves, I assumed Dt's customer base had seriously dropped since then, but I'm open to the possibility that it could just be me who has managed to unlearn how to create good stock." It may be that indeed their customer base has dropped and those who remain have different demands to the "mainstream". This is what I suspect...whether its worth bothering to try to meet their needs is an individual decision. I focus on what works on SS and anywhere else is a bonus.....
Title: Re: DT has died for me
Post by: Microstock Posts on June 23, 2016, 06:15
I focus on what works on SS and anywhere else is a bonus.....

I also do the same like I guess many people do. It is always disappointing though to see sales at Dt drop so much over the years, as it was so good in earlier years. They are like watching your team being up 2-0 at half time, only to see them lose the game 2-3. That's the Dt story for me, how did they let their lead slip? I'm sure they know more than any of us do. Serban will show a figure from time to time in their forum of how many images are being added in a week and he will justify the figure for low sales of individuals, I don't believe this for a moment though. ss add far more images per week and I don't see a significant drop in sales on ss.