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« on: May 14, 2011, 12:59 »
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It's DT rejecting everything lately? Do they have new reviwers?  >:( >:(


« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2011, 13:11 »
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I certainly have the lowest % age I've had in a while - at least the last year. Mostly supposed (or real) duplicates and "not quite what we are looking for". Hopefully either my pictures get better or they start to make sense to me. I suspect the former is more likely.

« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2011, 13:31 »
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As was mentioned in another thread - they are getting very strict about too many similar images. If you submit a batch of mostly similars, you can expect a lot of rejections.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2011, 13:35 »
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Sometimes that "similar" thing can get really ridiculous.  I submitted a bunch of "editorial" stuff from a motorcycle race.  Many were rejected for "similar."  Hell... it's a motorcycle race.  They are all on motorcycles; of course they are similar!!!   >:(
« Last Edit: May 14, 2011, 13:37 by WarrenPrice »

« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2011, 14:12 »
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I just had an illustration rejected because it was too similar. Although the style was the same, the content was not.  ::)

« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2011, 18:58 »
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i have almost 300 waiting to be submitted there. they allow 2.5 submissions per week... and each time they get to reviewing my pics they reject em....its lots of fun

donding

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2011, 19:02 »
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I'm almost to the point I don't want to mess with them any more. I just let what's there earn what it will. My % is at its lowest

« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 05:45 »
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Do they have an automatic filter that compares your keywords or something to identify similars. I've had similars rejected loading them up to 1 year apart.

« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 06:05 »
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I am having the same experience at SS, DT, 123RF.  I guess the days of high acceptance rates are over.  Will have to spend more time thinking about themes . . . . .

« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2011, 06:16 »
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Sometimes that "similar" thing can get really ridiculous.  I submitted a bunch of "editorial" stuff from a motorcycle race.  Many were rejected for "similar."  Hell... it's a motorcycle race.  They are all on motorcycles; of course they are similar!!!   >:(
Haha so we if we go to a motorcycle race and take photos, we can only submit one photo. Well if that is the case then they should pay us 50 dollars a download and then we won't complain about rejecting similars. When I buy photos I love seeing different variations of the same model or the same scene and I will choose the most appropriate one for me and other people will choose different ones.

« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2011, 06:39 »
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I had some necklaces rejected. They approved a pink jade necklace. Of course the one made from green amazonite was too similar.  ::)

« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2011, 06:59 »
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I haven't this problem with DT but I have with SS...

« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2011, 10:16 »
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I haven't this problem with Dreamstime but I have with Shutterstock...

SS only wants the pure isolations and people! conceptual stuff etc aint easy there, at the other hand DT love all kind of conceptual pictures, honestly if I were you I would wait a few weeks and resubmit :P

« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2011, 12:06 »
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On DT i received funny rejection reason: ...Photographs of people with half closed eyes and wrongly timed expressions are not suitable for commercial use.
It was photo with woman, resting in armchair. How MUST she rest - with full opened or closed eyes? Yes, some reviewers has strange sense of humor... I think, DT recruited new reviewers with half closed ... !

« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2011, 13:07 »
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Yup they're rejecting everything that can be called "similar" even in the most remote way. I think it'a a way for them to rise prices - their idea is that if you have just one image of a subject, it will sell more times than 5 images of that subject and with their image pricing system that image will be priced higher since it'll have more downloads. However I agree it's very subjective - assuming that a customer is looking just for generic image of a necklace (not caring what it's made of), or a picture of motorcycle race (not caring about specifics), etc. But I also know that the are very convinced that what they are doing is right for both them and photographers, I know many prominent photographers have voiced their objections to this system with no results at all.

Tempusfugit

« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2011, 13:52 »
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« Last Edit: July 20, 2011, 12:05 by Tempusfugit »

lthn

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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2011, 17:39 »
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They seem to reject about the half of any 'series' no matter how variable the shots are. They rejected one out two photographs of a couple... that's just ridiculous. I don't know if it's reasonable from their pov, but it's a pain in the ass for shooters: you need volume in microstock, and if you conform to their standards, you have to do twice as many shoots. Thats not sustainable.

« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2011, 18:24 »
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It gets more frustrating when you feel like they are rejecting something because someone else might have a similar - makes good sense for DT, but doesn't help the recent submitting photographer. In the long run it would probably make more sense for them to get rid of the old not so good or large pics and accept newer better ones. Except the old ones sell and are at a higher level.

It just seems pretty random and arbitrary to me, that is my main frustration.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2011, 19:56 »
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It gets more frustrating when you feel like they are rejecting something because someone else might have a similar - makes good sense for Dreamstime, but doesn't help the recent submitting photographer. In the long run it would probably make more sense for them to get rid of the old not so good or large pics and accept newer better ones. Except the old ones sell and are at a higher level.

It just seems pretty random and arbitrary to me, that is my main frustration.

The frustrating part, Tom, is the way these things are approached.   Once Serban decides, nothing a contributor has to say has any influence; even the spat with YuriAcurs over the "similars" issue ended in a draw ... I guess.  Or, maybe Yuri was given an exception?   ::)

« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2011, 21:09 »
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Once Serban decides, nothing a contributor has to say has any influence; even the spat with YuriAcurs over the "similars" issue ended in a draw ... I guess.  Or, maybe Yuri was given an exception?   ::)
Yup, and no exception for Yuri - the whole "similars" thing started to limit the content of such production companies. Yuri has 45, 557 files on Fotolia and only 32,304 on Dreamstime - and they had only 54 approved uploads this month.

« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2011, 05:08 »
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I'm sure this will get frustrating for buyers, when they have to go to other sites to see more images from a series they're interested in.  This policy has never made sense to me but I suppose at least it makes DT different to the other sites.  Perhaps there are some buyers that like inexperienced reviewers to choose what they are allowed to buy?  It's frustrating for contributors but what can we do about it?  I just don't upload much there anymore.

« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2011, 12:06 »
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This is the trend with all agencies with large image bases. They are started to look macro images and still want to pay micro prices.

« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2011, 04:11 »
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Well, some days they reject everything and same days they thake everything. I'm not happy. They rejected this work



For Poor execution. Poor execution!! Tell me you aren't interested in it or something like this but not "poor execution" when I used 22 images to do this work and 7 hours.
I'm angry, I'm thinking to go away from DS and Fotolia and stay only on Shutterstock (I love Shutterstock).
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

velocicarpo

« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2011, 07:20 »
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Well, some days they reject everything and same days they thake everything. I'm not happy. They rejected this work



For Poor execution. Poor execution!! Tell me you aren't interested in it or something like this but not "poor execution" when I used 22 images to do this work and 7 hours.
I'm angry, I'm thinking to go away from DS and Fotolia and stay only on Shutterstock (I love Shutterstock).
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


I am very sorry to say this, but I would have rejected this Image too. Bad colors, bad light, no depth, low detail and high detail style mixed so that the final Image makes no sense...

« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2011, 07:39 »
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Oh, There isn't problem. It's possible that it isn't a good work, I have only spent a lot of time for this...but when I submitted this one I submitted 4 other images all rejected for "poor execution" and it's difficult belive that all wasn't good...Anyway, everything is possible. This one was accepted by fotolia, accepted and sold by Shutterstock butr I know that there isn't an objective standard for every stock...only lucky and personal opinions. Of course I stay and I prefer where my work is appreciated  ;)
Now I'm not so encouraged to upload on DS.

p.s. I haven't problems with rejections but with the reasons...tell me bad light, bad colors ecc. but don't tell poor execution  ; ???
« Last Edit: May 24, 2011, 07:43 by Ellerslie »

velocicarpo

« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2011, 07:58 »
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Oh, There isn't problem. It's possible that it isn't a good work, I have only spent a lot of time for this...but when I submitted this one I submitted 4 other images all rejected for "poor execution" and it's difficult belive that all wasn't good...Anyway, everything is possible. This one was accepted by fotolia, accepted and sold by Shutterstock butr I know that there isn't an objective standard for every stock...only lucky and personal opinions. Of course I stay and I prefer where my work is appreciated  ;)
Now I'm not so encouraged to upload on DS.

p.s. I haven't problems with rejections but with the reasons...tell me bad light, bad colors ecc. but don't tell poor execution  ; ???

Well, that the process of learning. Don`t get discouraged. Sometimes the same happens to me: spending hours on a piece and I think it?s great and in the end I realize that I just got lost lol. And another time its the opposite :-)
I completely understand that you feel bad with the "poor execution...." the rejection reasons on every agency can feel very insulting. Don`t take it personal. Don`t take rejection reasons too serious. Try to learn and get better. Good luck!

« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2011, 09:18 »
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when DT rejects me a picture I think to myself.. dont mind, they are not worth that time.. SS has it? sweet! :)

« Reply #27 on: May 24, 2011, 09:52 »
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Well, that the process of learning. Don`t get discouraged. Sometimes the same happens to me: spending hours on a piece and I think it?s great and in the end I realize that I just got lost lol. And another time its the opposite :-)
I completely understand that you feel bad with the "poor execution...." the rejection reasons on every agency can feel very insulting. Don`t take it personal. Don`t take rejection reasons too serious. Try to learn and get better. Good luck!

You have understood perfectly what I think and what I feel. I know that I'm too emotional but the day before these 4 (or 5, I don't remember now) rejections I had 5 o 6 approved images so I think that there's something strange. One day they accept everything and the day next nothing?
My friend had a similar problem, he resubmit all the rejected images and...they were accepted.
It is strange, isn't it?
Because in this way is really difficult understand what they are looking for and what they want. I'd like don't be discouraged but I'm...a little bit because I have understood, more or less, what the other stocks want...what is good for fotolia, for SS and for IS too...I think...but I'm not able to make a prediction about what interest to Ds.
May be...one day :DD
You're very nice velocicarpo, I like the people that say what they think ;))

« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2011, 10:25 »
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I will repeat myself they want newbies! they want a picture of everything from every single contributor no matter its quality.. so Dreamstime is an agency always looking for new contributors and helping them to join :)

« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2011, 10:52 »
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I will repeat myself they want newbies! they want a picture of everything from every single contributor no matter its quality.. so Dreamstime is an agency always looking for new contributors and helping them to join :)

This doesn't make sense.  It's not in anyone's interest to let in a lot of garbage.  If a newbie is submitting low quality stuff, Dreamstime should and will reject it.

And I don't take comfort in saying "Oh well, Dreamstime isn't worth the time" if they reject my submissions.  They make me quite a bit of money.  So it is incredibly frustrating when they reject something of mine... I'm getting hit with the "too many similar submissions" rejection a lot lately, and in most cases I think these are crazy rejections.

It's true that there seems to be  an inconsistency among reviewers... but reviewing is so subjective... it's human nature that we can't expect everyone to work with the same mind.

To me, the problem is the literal-mindedness of rejecting images as "similar."  Dreamstime is doing contributors, customers and itself a big disservice by clinging to a foolish definition of what makes a "similar" image.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2011, 10:57 by stockmarketer »

« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2011, 11:00 »
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I havent said the opposite.. of course Dreamstime are worth the time.. they are just not worth when we "waste" time thinking of rejections for "similar and not what we are looking for", that when I see crappy pictures getting in everyday and of course I am not going to show them here (and it is a rule of this group)
« Last Edit: May 24, 2011, 11:04 by luissantos84 »

« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2011, 12:09 »
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Well, some days they reject everything and same days they thake everything. I'm not happy. They rejected this work



For Poor execution. Poor execution!! Tell me you aren't interested in it or something like this but not "poor execution" when I used 22 images to do this work and 7 hours.
I'm angry, I'm thinking to go away from DS and Fotolia and stay only on Shutterstock (I love Shutterstock).
 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Elserlie, do you have this castle SS 72926116 anywhere without the background?  Is this an illustration or a real place?

« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2011, 12:32 »
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Elserlie, do you have this castle Shutterstock 72926116 anywhere without the background?  Is this an illustration or a real place?



Hi Pixart, I have this castle tree times on shutterstock (and twice, but I'm not sure, on Fotolia) with different backgrounds, it's an illustration, not a real place.
Why?

This is another version


and I have done a more simple version with only the castle, sky and an hill...
« Last Edit: May 24, 2011, 12:35 by Ellerslie »

« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2011, 13:28 »
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This is the one I lightboxed - the stonework is lovely.  I'm not sure if I could use it though flattened with all the environment layers.  I'm taking July and August for a personal/children's project - I thought I'd model the castle off the Neuschwanstein - but I am certain I couldn't create something as nice so maybe I should just license.  Just trying to survive shooting soccer leagues and graduations right now though.

 

« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2011, 13:37 »
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Oh My God Pix, I'm so honored and happy. It's mine  :D
In effect when I do my castles (I have done a lot of castles, they are one of my favourite subjects) I think to Neuschwanstein castle, a place that I love because it's  a dream and I'm a dreamer. I'm really happy you like it and excited.
Thanks a lot, you make me happy  :)

« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2011, 14:59 »
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My experience with Dreamstime is next - they are refusing my photos so now my acceptance percent is below 15. But as im learning all others sites are accepting my work and ratio is going forward. And all because Dreamstime is giving me hard time learning doing stock photo right.

All i can say thnks for this and my first sold photo!

« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2011, 15:21 »
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Oh My God Pix, I'm so honored and happy. It's mine  :D
In effect when I do my castles (I have done a lot of castles, they are one of my favourite subjects) I think to Neuschwanstein castle, a place that I love because it's  a dream and I'm a dreamer. I'm really happy you like it and excited.
Thanks a lot, you make me happy  :)

That's so sweet,  brightened my day too :)

« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2011, 13:18 »
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Hey Ellerslie, I see one of your castles in the frontpage lightbox (fairy tale theme perhaps) on SS.  Good job!  Hope it = big $ while it's there!

lagereek

« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2011, 11:35 »
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No, but to be truthful, I really dont think they know what they want. I just had a series of engineering files rejected, "too similar" uploaded on Thursday last week, in the last three days they have already been DLd, 19 times at other agencies but DT rejected them because of too similar.

there you go, win some lose some.

« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2011, 12:42 »
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Anecdotal Evidence . . . .  just had 8 out of 8 Editorial Photos (Anti Atomic Energy Rally in Germany) accepted.  Its been along time since that has happened.

« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2011, 13:19 »
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Anecdotal Evidence . . . .  just had 8 out of 8 Editorial Photos (Anti Atomic Energy Rally in Germany) accepted.  Its been along time since that has happened.

this is the kind of topic I need to step out because I would be talking all day regarding their review policy (what is going online/rejected)

« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2011, 11:40 »
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The reviewers are all individuals with varying levels of experience and opinions. One reviewer may like your work while another will not. I submit to 8 sites and if one or two of them reject the images, I just move on. It isn't worth the frustration - don't take it personally. I've also gotten a few "similars" rejections recently at DT but with the current decline of IS, DT is actually in second place for me on the micros. I wouldn't give up on them.

« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2011, 17:38 »
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Hey Ellerslie, I see one of your castles in the frontpage lightbox (fairy tale theme perhaps) on Shutterstock.  Good job!  Hope it = big $ while it's there!

Hi Pix, I read only now. Yes  ;D :) :), May was a great month on SS, I had an image selected for the home page and the castle in the "fairy tale" gallery....now the home page is changed and I'm trying to detoxify myself, it's not easy  :'( :'( :) :)
I was so honored and, yes, I sold a lot, a lot  ;)

« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2011, 05:09 »
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I will repeat myself they want newbies! they want a picture of everything from every single contributor no matter its quality.. so Dreamstime is an agency always looking for new contributors and helping them to join :)

This doesn't make sense.  It's not in anyone's interest to let in a lot of garbage.  If a newbie is submitting low quality stuff, Dreamstime should and will reject it.

And I don't take comfort in saying "Oh well, Dreamstime isn't worth the time" if they reject my submissions.  They make me quite a bit of money.  So it is incredibly frustrating when they reject something of mine... I'm getting hit with the "too many similar submissions" rejection a lot lately, and in most cases I think these are crazy rejections.

It's true that there seems to be  an inconsistency among reviewers... but reviewing is so subjective... it's human nature that we can't expect everyone to work with the same mind.

To me, the problem is the literal-mindedness of rejecting images as "similar."  Dreamstime is doing contributors, customers and itself a big disservice by clinging to a foolish definition of what makes a "similar" image.

I think we could be missing the boat here to some degree.  The agencies would much prefer to have the majority of sales made to untold thousands of ports which do not make payout often.  They also know that some images sell year in or out and that is not going to change for a time.  Those images are there until they are buried by an avalanche of new files and until then, they will continue to take up a percentage of sales.  Now if you are going to spread the love they would try to skew it in their own favor.

If they know that buyers are not so picky as we have been lead to believe they are, they would not be at all upset to accept more average images that will sell occasionally from many thousands of newbies who may hit on one or two good selling images for each port and therefore do not reach payout for months.

It could be why we are seeing increases in rejection rates for those submitters who's ports are consistently filled with HCV images and therefore easily hit payouts each month.  Maybe we should not be so quick to discount luissantos84's idea, it may very well pay off to some degree for micros to spread the love to newbies with less than stellar images.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2011, 07:54 by gbalex »

« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2011, 07:52 »
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Double post

lagereek

« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2011, 10:32 »
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Someone there is going through the "change of life"  better wait with uploading for a few months.

« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2011, 10:40 »
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Someone there is going through the "change of life"  better wait with uploading for a few months.

you got me curious.. regarding uploading the amount is changing every week I dont understand why it is going up and down, really weird stuff, it does look that is it pressure from top contributors.. or maybe they are getting less submissions..

« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2011, 11:25 »
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...I dont understand why it is going up and down, really weird stuff, it does look that is it pressure from top contributors.. or maybe they are getting less submissions..

I was under the impression that during peak times with lots of submissions they lower the limit.
Then naturally they would increase the limit if submission numbers are down.

Well summer's around the corner so maybe a few high rollers are already on vacation...  :P

Carl

  • Carl Stewart, CS Productions
« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2011, 16:03 »
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I am very sorry to say this, but I would have rejected this Image too. Bad colors, bad light, no depth, low detail and high detail style mixed so that the final Image makes no sense...

I'm gonna politely disagree.  I think there is certainly a market for images like this, and I find it appealing personally.  I'm not surprised that the DT inspector can be so shortsighted, neither am I surprised that the SS inspector wasn't.   :)

« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2011, 03:14 »
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Hi, I can tell you for sure that, yes, there's a market. SS was the first to understand it but now Dreamstime too. I have doubled my acceptance ratio there. The only one that isn't interesting in this kind of works-artworks (if I can...) is Is...they are so old and obsolete with illustrations (they look for eps8 vectors for example, dinosaurs between vectors) and really they aren't interested in fantasy-surreal illustrations. But I can survive  :D Even if SS was the only one to understand that this kind of illustration have a market I can survive because I sell a lot there  :)
Well, I love ss  :D, but really I think that there's a good reason if they're the most important microstock of the world, they are really open mind and they are able to understand what can sell.

Thank a lot for your opinion about my work  ;)

« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2011, 07:00 »
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I'm not an illustrator so forgive me if this is a stupid question

If you take this many hours for one illustration wouldn't it be hard to make fulltime earnings from microstock.

Do illustrations sell more than photos, is there less competition for very detailed works which makes it worth wild ?

I suppose if your able to reuse elements in different images over and over it might be more profitable.

« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2011, 07:17 »
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I'm not an illustrator so forgive me if this is a stupid question

If you take this many hours for one illustration wouldn't it be hard to make fulltime earnings from microstock.

Do illustrations sell more than photos, is there less competition for very detailed works which makes it worth wild ?

I suppose if your able to reuse elements in different images over and over it might be more profitable.

Hi,
many times people ask me if it's convenient spend so many hours to do only one work...I don't know but for me the most important think is to do something that I like, and I like this world  :)
Sometimes I reuse elements in different images so I spend only one or two hour to make a work...but really, I don't think about earning but I try to be proud when I do a work. Maybe it's not a good argument for microstock... ;)...but I think that it's. I don't want make a difference between art and microstock, for me it's the same thing.
Now I'm doing a work since 5 hours...I only hope that it's good  ;)

p.s. Sorry for my english, I hope you  are able to understand my strange language  :)

« Reply #52 on: June 07, 2011, 11:37 »
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Your English is much better than my Italian. I've been using google translate to communicate with my family in Italy. It works fairly well. At least I hope it does

Sto usando Google Translate per comunicare con la mia famiglia in Italia. Funziona abbastanza bene. Almeno spero di s.

See!

Slovenian

« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2011, 12:28 »
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I got the whole series rejected for: - Your image info contains one or more of the following issues: irrelevant or incomplete title, description/keywords/categories issues, similar/identical title and description, title/description written with capital letters(CAPS LOCK ON). Use only keywords that are the most relevant and specific to the image subject. All the info required for an image is important and has great influence on your sales. That's why you must take your time for each image and provide individual, accurate, relevant and comprehensive information. Don't just copy&paste words, don't rush. The more precise the info will be, the more efficient the search will be as well and hence your sales. Read more: http://blog.dreamstime.com/search-tag-keywords.

I really didn't know what else to put in there than: Isolated on white background. Canon 1Ds mkIII . I think the title for each photo was descriptive enough and every photo had an individual title. Their 5 words in the description makes you do stupid crap like that, I couldn't think of the 5th word so I put in the camera model, like lots of people do in IS (I never do, it seems stupid to me). And all of them were studio shots isolated on white what else am I supposed to put in there? Description field is completely redundant IMO anyway (the only agency which still have it and I UL to is IS, but they at least don't make you put at least 5 words in it)

« Reply #54 on: June 15, 2011, 12:36 »
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DT is interesting to say the least - their search engine 1st indexes on the 'title' then 2nd on the 'description' and 3rd on the 'keywords.'

So, if your title is "blond girls isolated over white" - this image will come up highest in the rankings if the customer searched on the exact same phrase - lower in the rankings is it was in the description and not the title, and lower yet if only in the keywords

Slovenian

« Reply #55 on: June 15, 2011, 12:52 »
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Dreamstime is interesting to say the least - their search engine 1st indexes on the 'title' then 2nd on the 'description' and 3rd on the 'keywords.'

So, if your title is "blond girls isolated over white" - this image will come up highest in the rankings if the customer searched on the exact same phrase - lower in the rankings is it was in the description and not the title, and lower yet if only in the keywords

WOW, now I know why the sales are so bad over there. Although they shouldn't be, since I mostly just copied everything from my SS port, where I have very descriptive titles since they affect the search results. I usually just break the SS title in 2 parts, the first goes in the title, the second in description.

nruboc

« Reply #56 on: June 15, 2011, 12:54 »
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There is just too much negativity on this forum.... Dreamstime this, ShutterStock that..... can't we get back to more of the positive news, like discussing IStock's f-ups???  ;D

WarrenPrice

« Reply #57 on: June 15, 2011, 14:24 »
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^^yeah... think I'll just go take some pictures of me taking pictures and shaking hands with a naked woman wearing headsets and eating a hot dog.   :o


 

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