Author Topic: A new life-changing tool for stock video editing? (Read 9306 times)

Brightontl · « **on:** May 04, 2019, 10:11 »

After Effects new Content Aware Fill.
A life-changing tool for video post processing
https://youtu.be/EAaxNNlggdk

georgep7 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 04, 2019, 10:28 »

Once again ProDad (as Mercalli mentioned in previous thread) have a standalone app to do similar.

As a personal subjective note, simple masking and minor blurriness usually save the day.

Nevertheless impressive results and great new tool!

Brightontl · « **Reply #2 on:** May 05, 2019, 11:21 »

Quote from: georgep7 on May 04, 2019, 10:28

Once again ProDad (as Mercalli mentioned in previous thread) have a standalone app to do similar.

As a personal subjective note, simple masking and minor blurriness usually save the day.

Nevertheless impressive results and great new tool!

Same here, I used to do masking and blurriness as well, but this is another league

Chichikov · « **Reply #3 on:** May 05, 2019, 13:07 »

Really impressive!

It exists also in DaVinci resolve, but not in the free version.
https://youtu.be/8fmvUsBPJn8?t=936

MilanStojanovic · « **Reply #4 on:** May 05, 2019, 20:07 »

^ not that I tried version 16, but seems like it's (beta) free and no notes on it not having any features.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/

Brightontl · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2019, 02:17 »

Quote from: Chichikov on May 05, 2019, 13:07

Really impressive!

It exists also in DaVinci resolve, but not in the free version.
https://youtu.be/8fmvUsBPJn8?t=936

Thank you for the link Chichikov.
I must give DaVinci Resolve a try one of these days

Chichikov · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2019, 00:50 »

Quote from: MilanStojanovic on May 05, 2019, 20:07

^ not that I tried version 16, but seems like it's (beta) free and no notes on it not having any features.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/

There are 2 versions, DaVinci Resolve and DaVinci Resolve Studio. The first is Free and the second costs $299

DaVinci Resolve 16 Beta
The free version of Fusion is included with Davinci Resolve, which combines editing, Fusion visual effects and motion graphics, color correction and Fairlight audio post, all in a single application. Download your free copy and start learning Fusion today!
Free

DaVinci Resolve Studio 16 Beta
Includes everything in the free version plus DaVinci Neural Engine features, multi user collaboration, stereoscopic 3D tools, dozens of ResolveFX and FairlightFX plugins, HDR grading, film grain, blur and mist effects, and more.
$299

swisschocolate · « **Reply #7 on:** May 07, 2019, 01:15 »

Can you edit normal 4K video in free version of DaVinci?
I remember it was limited to HD.

georgep7 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 07, 2019, 04:03 »

Thanks to all previous posts i finally decided to give it a try myself. Never used, never asked to deliver from Resolve. Let's see how it wil go....

Offtopic 1, browsing capabilities they also offer some free sfx from their library, guess a possible future coming stock provider? Or a current agency possible partner?

Offtopic 2, googling word foley (as free sfx mentioned above) my eyes dropped to Audio Blocks ad, "seriously, download as many as you need!" So here is a nasty offtopic comment: seriously, why as many as i need and not as many as i can?

Chichikov · « **Reply #9 on:** May 07, 2019, 10:40 »

Quote from: swisschocolate on May 07, 2019, 01:15

Can you edit normal 4K video in free version of DaVinci?
I remember it was limited to HD.

It supports UHD 3840x2160 since version 10 if I remember well

swisschocolate · « **Reply #10 on:** May 07, 2019, 17:43 »

Quote from: Chichikov on May 07, 2019, 10:40

It supports UHD 3840x2160 since version 10 if I remember well

Thanks!

Brightontl · « **Reply #11 on:** May 10, 2019, 07:38 »

Quote from: Chichikov on May 07, 2019, 10:40

Quote from: swisschocolate on May 07, 2019, 01:15
Can you edit normal 4K video in free version of DaVinci?
I remember it was limited to HD.

It supports UHD 3840x2160 since version 10 if I remember well

Very interesting,
I thought the free version did not support 4k at all

Brightontl · « **Reply #12 on:** May 12, 2019, 03:05 »

Quote from: georgep7 on May 07, 2019, 04:03

Thanks to all previous posts i finally decided to give it a try myself. Never used, never asked to deliver from Resolve. Let's see how it wil go....

Offtopic 1, browsing capabilities they also offer some free sfx from their library, guess a possible future coming stock provider? Or a current agency possible partner?

Offtopic 2, googling word foley (as free sfx mentioned above) my eyes dropped to Audio Blocks ad, "seriously, download as many as you need!" So here is a nasty offtopic comment: seriously, why as many as i need and not as many as i can?

Interesting,
let us know how you get on with Resolve

georgep7 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2019, 04:06 »

A really short journey TBH.

Tested on current laptop that i do proxy editing for family, small projects and stock clips. Resolve crashed everytime importing a single 4K clip.

Perhaps in the future or whenever I manage to get a better laptop. I wanted to get familiar with Resolve as long as it goes popular and I still remember loosing a job in the past because I don't know Edius.

Except losing the free no paying version benefits i don't feel i lost much but it actually made me curious to research more on node based compositing, an area of knowledge i know nothing about.

Brightontl · « **Reply #14 on:** May 13, 2019, 05:22 »

Quote from: georgep7 on May 12, 2019, 04:06

A really short journey TBH.

Tested on current laptop that i do proxy editing for family, small projects and stock clips. Resolve crashed everytime importing a single 4K clip.

Perhaps in the future or whenever I manage to get a better laptop. I wanted to get familiar with Resolve as long as it goes popular and I still remember loosing a job in the past because I don't know Edius.

Except losing the free no paying version benefits i don't feel i lost much but it actually made me curious to research more on node based compositing, an area of knowledge i know nothing about.

Interesting,
how much RAM do you have in your computer?

georgep7 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 13, 2019, 05:27 »

Just 8Gb, minus 2 of them that are shared with the GPU.

Brightontl · « **Reply #16 on:** May 22, 2019, 07:29 »

Quote from: georgep7 on May 13, 2019, 05:27

Just 8Gb, minus 2 of them that are shared with the GPU.

I don't want to sound negative, but 8Gb for video ediing is really low.
I have 32Gb on mine and I have been planning for a long time to expand to 64, I will do it as soon as I have the time

wds · « **Reply #17 on:** May 22, 2019, 07:50 »

Quote from: Brightontl on May 22, 2019, 07:29

Quote from: georgep7 on May 13, 2019, 05:27
Just 8Gb, minus 2 of them that are shared with the GPU.
I don't want to sound negative, but 8Gb for video ediing is really low.
I have 32Gb on mine and I have been planning for a long time to expand to 64, I will do it as soon as I have the time

How has the amount of CPU memory impacted you? I only do editing of short clips on Resolve, but my machine has 16GB of CPU RAM and it renders at well over real time (HD). I do believe video processor/RAM is very important, but not so sure about CPU memory.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #18 on:** May 22, 2019, 07:58 »

It's 'critical' apparently:

https://www.pugetsystems.com/recommended/Recommended-Systems-for-DaVinci-Resolve-187/Hardware-Recommendations

As for RAM, 16GB is recommended. 32GB is you're using Fusion... so 8GB is probably the minimum.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #19 on:** May 22, 2019, 08:10 »

Quote from: wds on May 22, 2019, 07:50

Quote from: Brightontl on May 22, 2019, 07:29
Quote from: georgep7 on May 13, 2019, 05:27
Just 8Gb, minus 2 of them that are shared with the GPU.
I don't want to sound negative, but 8Gb for video ediing is really low.
I have 32Gb on mine and I have been planning for a long time to expand to 64, I will do it as soon as I have the time

How has the amount of CPU memory impacted you? I only do editing of short clips on Resolve, but my machine has 16GB of CPU RAM and it renders at well over real time (HD). I do believe video processor/RAM is very important, but not so sure about CPU memory.

"CPU memory" is cache, which is not the same as what we mean when we talk about RAM. Not many machines have that much cache, so I assume you meant RAM (forgive me if I'm wrong)?

Anyway, 16GB of RAM is enough for 4k editing, but of course, more is always better. As for Resolve, yes, it can use the GPU as well as the CPU (something After Effects and Premiere are not so good at...) which makes it very beneficial to have a nice graphics card, but not a must. GPU memory is called VRAM and anything above 8GB is considered to be quite a lot! The best cards have 11-16GB and they cost as much as a nice computer.

Hard drive speed can also become important (although I find most USB 3.0 drives to be good enough) when dealing with 4k, but it's usually easy to just temporarily transfer the clips you're working on to the internal SSD if you need top speed.

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More important is how the application is written... Resolve is quite fast with a good graphics card, but still much, much slower than Final Cut Pro X. On the other side of the spectrum is After Effects which is like a snail, and Premiere isn't exactly a speed monster either...

I have a hard time replacing what After Effects does with any other program though, so I guess I have to live with the lack of speed for certain things.

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...and back on topic.

It's a cool feature, but I haven't found a use for it yet. Like all "magic" features it isn't really magic when it comes to video, and I find it often screws up, which means it takes just as long, or longer, to fix those mistakes than doing it manually from the start. In Photoshop it's perfect, however. In AE it also generates enormous files which can be a bit annoying...

georgep7 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 22, 2019, 08:29 »

Quote from: wds on May 22, 2019, 07:50

Quote from: Brightontl on May 22, 2019, 07:29
Quote from: georgep7 on May 13, 2019, 05:27
Just 8Gb, minus 2 of them that are shared with the GPU.
I don't want to sound negative, but 8Gb for video ediing is really low.
I have 32Gb on mine and I have been planning for a long time to expand to 64, I will do it as soon as I have the time

How has the amount of CPU memory impacted you? I only do editing of short clips on Resolve, but my machine has 16GB of CPU RAM and it renders at well over real time (HD). I do believe video processor/RAM is very important, but not so sure about CPU memory.

It is a mixture, i5 laptop, two ssd drives and the shared memory It served well even for multicam HD editing with an external 24" screen but with horrible rendering times. GPU didn't gave me any lags just the orange screen whenever i applied too many or heavy effects so everythingwas ok in HD but 4K edit , even simple trimming is out of the question. Only by proxies and leaving it alone to render them.

@Brightontl. This is a low end laptop, and tbh i don't feel like upgrading it as long as wherever i work they have an editing station. For "family" clips one to two lines timeline is more than enough... My concern is more to get a 4K camcorder to actually have some chances with stock but again the family budget and expenses comes first!

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #21 on:** May 22, 2019, 11:18 »

You don't need a 4K camera to have a decent chance at stock... the majority of all sales are still HD. Always worth future-proofing though I guess.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #22 on:** May 22, 2019, 11:50 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 22, 2019, 11:18

You don't need a 4K camera to have a decent chance at stock...

That's very true, but 4k is also extremely useful for other things than a final 4k product for sale. Stabilizing, reframing, creative crops/zooms (without quality loss for HD delivery), photos from still frames, etc. etc. That is the true value of 4k capture. Just like photographing wildlife with 20mp is a lot more useful than 10mp because of cropping.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on May 22, 2019, 11:18

the majority of all sales are still HD. Always worth future-proofing though I guess.

True, but I sell more and more 4k it seems. Especially where the prices aren't outrageously different (2.5x HD price is not reasonable in my opinion) customers more often choose the 4k version.

That being said, I did sell some very nice high-priced 4k clips this week, also something you're missing out on if you don't upload 4k - the chance of high $$$ sales where you can't set your own prices.

georgep7 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 22, 2019, 12:33 »

Quote

Always worth future-proofing though I guess.

exactly that!

As mentioned in other threads my dslr gear was damaged (after selling the loyal XA10) so now on I have to choose carefully for one piece of gear for family, personal projects and stock video

Unfortunatelly everything I like or suits my needs costs a lot for my budget and no sales do not justify an immediate purchase but my decision is that it will be a 4K camcorder.
(let me translate the "my desicion is" part meaning that my wife approved a future purchase (...eventually...))

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