Isn't the solution to start uploading 8k for the pros?

I mean it is the way things evolve, while hd is still usable, many now prefer 4k, Adobe is reacting to that by making 4k the mainstream choice.

I am not a video pro, but my personal opinion or choice would be to focus on the higher quality for the new situation.

I am still uploading a mix of 4k and hd, but as soon as I can afford a simple 8k camera, I will focus on that.

Or is that a silly idea?

Tv is in 1080 or 720. Kids don't see Tv. They turn it on for news or football games. Rarely go to cinema and they consume tik tok and youtube (HD/720). Netflix/HBO here the standard is 720. In Corporate videos clients have been requesting HD/720 for youtube usually because of fast download. For Mobile Consume is the same.... so i don't find any use in 4k and above for most of the end users (viewers) - maybe only for post-production. But why should a client pay for 4k even when they got already good AI upscale SW?

I got only a few sales of 4K last year. 0 in 8K.
I am almost uploading only HD. Sometimes i put in description 4k/8k can be available if needed.

Cool. Super glad that 99% of my portfolio is in 1080p.

The remaining 4k will be pulled down and replaced with 1080p version. Thanks for letting us know!

I am fine with that. The only thing I care is contributor percentage fee and as far as this does not change I will still contribute to Adobe my videos.
I don't contribute a single video to Istock - Shutterstock since many years ago because of the lower royalty rate.
Everything that is lower than 30% is out for me by principle . I do not care how many million 0.10 or 0.001$ sales they make per unit.

Why is 4k better quality than HD? I disagree with this statement.
4K is just a different format.
The stock agency has prices. It is logical to assume that these prices may be the same for all formats. The buyer will only buy the format he needs. The fact that we shoot in 4K is just our desire to reach those buyers who need 4K or will need it in the future.

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 07, 2024, 09:24

Why is 4k better quality than HD? I disagree with this statement.
4K is just a different format.
The stock agency has prices. It is logical to assume that these prices may be the same for all formats. The buyer will only buy the format he needs. The fact that we shoot in 4K is just our desire to reach those buyers who need 4K or will need it in the future.

4K is higher resolution than HD, it's not a different format.
Of course if matters how you obtain the 4K resolution. But generally a native 4K export should be more crisp and higher quality than the same export in HD resolution.

The quality of the video does not depend on its resolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_quality

HD video may have better quality than 4K video. Any cheap Chinese phone shoots in 4K. And where is the quality?
If we talk about high-quality HD or 4K video, then everything depends on the monitor on which this video will be played.
But to say that 4K is better than HD is not correct.

Why should high-quality HD video cost less than 4K video? It is not right.

I had a 4k video sell for $5 about a year ago on AS. Would that have been a subscription sale for a HD version of the 4k clip? Or something else?

Yes, that would have been an HD version of a 4K clip that sold at a subscription price if it was a year ago.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 07, 2024, 09:43

Quote from: Noedelhap on February 07, 2024, 09:37

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 07, 2024, 09:24

Why is 4k better quality than HD? I disagree with this statement.
4K is just a different format.
The stock agency has prices. It is logical to assume that these prices may be the same for all formats. The buyer will only buy the format he needs. The fact that we shoot in 4K is just our desire to reach those buyers who need 4K or will need it in the future.

4K is higher resolution than HD, it's not a different format.
Of course if matters how you obtain the 4K resolution. But generally a native 4K export should be more crisp and higher quality than the same export in HD resolution.

The quality of the video does not depend on its resolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_quality

HD video may have better quality than 4K video. Any cheap Chinese phone shoots in 4K. And where is the quality?
If we talk about high-quality HD or 4K video, then everything depends on the monitor on which this video will be played.
But to say that 4K is better than HD is not correct.

Why should high-quality HD video cost less than 4K video? It is not right.

4K is better than HD if all other factors are equal, because more pixels allow for more detail. This may not always be the case (upscaling, compression) but again, all other factors considered equal.

The reason 4K should in some cases cost more, is because it takes more processing power to work with 4K footage, more storage space, more exporting time and more uploading time. Over time, this cost may reduce due to cheaper storage space and faster processors, but let's not forget contributors invested in faster hardware to process 4K footage/animation. Besides, we're not talking about credit price differences here, but subscription prices so it's already getting as cheap as can be for buyers.

Video detail does not depend on the resolution, but on the video bitrate and bit depth. Read what bitrate is.
As for resolution, it is only needed for the monitor. If you have a 4K monitor, then it is logical to assume that 4K will look better than HD. But, if you have an HD monitor, then the HD resolution is sufficient for that monitor.
As for your cash outlay on equipment, it�s up to you whether to spend the money or not. Video is a product, video resolution can increase, but this does not mean that its price should increase. Any production requires equipment costs. The price of any product is formed by market methods, and does not depend on your costs for equipment. If you are not satisfied with the prices for 4K, then do not buy equipment that shoots in 4K.
The market has long been pushing for lower video prices, which is why subscriptions are popular.
As we can see from this thread, buyers don't need 4K resolution. Therefore, in order to sell them 4K, the price may be even lower than the price of HD.
 

I can buy equipment for video production in 8K. But that doesn't mean I can demand high prices for this video on the stock market. The price of a video depends solely on the demand for a specific resolution. As I already wrote, there is no demand for 4K among buyers.
Those who want to make money with 4K and 8K resolution should shoot videos not for stock agencies, but for other clients. For example, television studios need this resolution in good quality. Perhaps weddings are filmed in 4K and the client is willing to pay more for 4K than for HD.

We are writing to let you know about a pricing update for video content on Adobe Stock: 4K video clips will now be offered alongside HD clips for licensing as part of Adobe Stock subscriptions. This change will simplify the offering for Stock customers, allowing them to license HD and 4K video content as well as standard images, templates, 3D, and audio tracks using their subscriptions.

There is no change to the current royalty rate.

However, it's worth noting that per-video license royalty payments for 4K videos may see a reduction, as these videos will be available to subscription customers at varying discounts based on their plans. The existing Adobe Stock royalty rate (35%) remains consistent, calculated based on the price per clip. 4K video pricing remains unchanged for all on-demand clips and credit packs.

oh cool
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I re-uploaded about 20 videos recently, but I just deleted all 4k videos.  I'll re-upload them in HD only to avoid my 4k videos getting snatched for a few dollars.  I make $120 per 4k video sale on Pond5 Exclusive.  Got to protect my price.

I just deleted all my re-uploaded videos.  It's not fun seeing only getting $2.80 for a video sale.  I'll stick with Pond5 Exclusive only.

I suggest Adobe also make the price the same for HD and 4K video (for non-subscription sales).

I suggest they don't.

or you are very bad at make your business....

In this case, this applies to 99.9% of authors. Not many people can sell their 4K videos at prices higher than the price of HD. And so that sales are not sporadic, but constant, like HD.
I agree to sell my 4K videos at HD prices, than not selling 4K at all or selling 4K it extremely rarely.

But the fact that the buyer is bad at buying 4K means that the price for 4K is high for the buyer.

You may have noticed that many times, HD sales outperform 4k sales. Indeed, there are quite a few contributors who sell a lot more HD videos than 4k videos. I would say that this is an indicator of the lack of demand for 4k footage. It looks like a lot more clients need HD footage so they generally buy more of that. It makes perfect sense to price 4k video higher than HD because of the increased storage space and longer upload times. A 4k clip may seem expensive to you but it is considerably cheaper than hiring a videographer / cinematographer and sending them to some location for a shoot.

Video detail does not depend on the resolution, but on the video bitrate and bit depth. Read what bitrate is.

4k video generally has considerably higher bitrate than HD video.