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Ron

« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2014, 16:42 »
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I dont care if they are desperate but the subs on FT just went up by 15% points for me, which can mean a 400% increase on a XL sub sale. Without opting in to DPC. I take that raise any day of the week.


Shelma1

« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2014, 16:45 »
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I haven't been following this DPC thing so dumb question - is this an opt in / opt out thing & how do we know if we have been automatically opted in?

Everyone's automatically opted in. You have to opt out, which only became an option after the peasants revolted (and a very hard to find option).

« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2014, 16:45 »
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what!! im silver, if you sold for 5 dollar my rate is 1,25 in or out of your S-H-I-T DPC...are you paying 0,29 for a 5 $ sale?

I desire Fotolia Crush!

They paid you $0,29 for a $5 sale since the introduction of the monthly subs. That's neither new nor connected to DPC.

Now they're raising that to $1, if you're out of DPC and $1,25 if you're in.

That's how I understand it.

Shelma1

« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2014, 16:48 »
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I dont care if they are desperate but the subs on FT just went up by 15% points for me, which can mean a 400% increase on a XL sub sale. Without opting in to DPC. I take that raise any day of the week.

The only way this will really work is if people continue to opt out of DPC. They'll still get a raise in commission, but their sales on FT won't be undercut by sales on DPC.

It's a choice between a slightly lower (but higher than it was) commission on subs sales vs. a slightly higher commission that will quickly disappear as DPC sales take over and Fotolia sales drop.

« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2014, 16:51 »
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Just to clear that up a bit:

If I understand that correctly, it is NOT about DPC directly.
Fotolia is raising the commission they pay on the monthly subscriptions.
Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.

That is 5% - 8%.


Dirk



Now they raise that to a flat 20% (with a lower limit of the old rate).

That alone is a good move.
While I would like to receive the rate according to my rank (as these are not really subscriptions, but rather credit packages under a different name) it is still an improvement.

Now the connection to DPC: If you opt your portfolio in to DPC, that rate (for the monthly subscriptions) goes up from 20% to 25%.

That's how I understood it.
@Mat: Correct?



Dirkr,

Thank you for your posts and your interpretation.  You are exactly right.

This thread is moving really fast and every time I attempt to respond multiple posts come in behind it.  For those of you that do contribute to Fotolia that are involved in this thread there are a couple of important points I don't want to be missed...
 
The minimum amount you will be paid for a subscription commission is the rate that it has been.  If a member pays only $0.74 for an image you will still receive 0.33 credits if you are an Emerald contributor as it has always been.  This will not go down.  There is no downside to this..at all.  The only changes made here are massive increases in monthly subscription commissions. If a members pay $5 you will earn 1.25 credits if you opt in to DPC or 1 credit if you are opted out DPC.  Either way, it's a win for contributors.   
 
I know for a fact  that your commissions will be increased dramatically with this change, I've already seen a couple of larger commissions on sub downloads today.  This only concerns Fotolia.  We decided to add an incentive for those of you who  opt in to Dollar Photo Club.  Fotolia is growing...fast and it wil continue to grow fast . The combined increase in commissions and in additional sales from the added source of DPC if you make the choice to opt in I predict will blow your mind.  The interest of contributors and the agencies is aligned and our only goal is to grow the market and to grow commissions as a whole. 
 
There are subscription sites offering free trials all over the industry, they are selling subscription plans pennies on the dollar for example $39 for 150 downloads.

Fotolia is going the other direction

MxR

« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2014, 16:52 »
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I dont care if they are desperate but the subs on FT just went up by 15% points for me, which can mean a 400% increase on a XL sub sale. Without opting in to DPC. I take that raise any day of the week.

The only way this will really work is if people continue to opt out of DPC. They'll still get a raise in commission, but their sales on FT won't be undercut by sales on DPC.

It's a choice between a slightly lower (but higher than it was) commission on subs sales vs. a slightly higher commission that will quickly disappear as DPC sales take over and Fotolia sales drop.

Thanks for explanation...!! 4,71 go to Fotolia and 0,29 for me... I prefer this abuse to get into DPC...i want an "Opt - out "option for these fake 25$ subscription pack!!... I realy LOVE now Fotolia!!

« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2014, 16:53 »
+8

They paid you $0,29 for a $5 sale since the introduction of the monthly subs. That's neither new nor connected to DPC.

Now they're raising that to $1, if you're out of DPC and $1,25 if you're in.

That's how I understand it.


First of all any kind of raise is good news. And the raise is taking place on Fotolia where we are currently earning our money. This is exactly what I suggested, that if someone takes the risk of opting into DPC they should receive the risk bonus on Fotolia, not dpc. After all we are scared that DPC will hurt our existing sales on Fotolia. So those who take the risk to join a new business model will get a reward for taking the risk.

And there also seems to be a change that will give a raise to those of us not opted in. Interesting.

Personally I would like to see an individual opt in on a per file basis. The content I have sent to Fotolia was sent for the Fotolia business model, i.e. mostly credit sales with a price range between 1-10 dollars with an appropriate percentage paid to me (at the moment still low, but hopefully rising one day). So when I send content to Fotolia I know I will be getting 40-50% cent subs, but the rest is credit sales with a decent return and sensible volume. They are the largest German agency, so this is an established market place I want to be present.

Will I offer content for 1 dollar? If I get an indiviudual opt in, I will try. I have a huge variety of content, files I think should be sold for 500 dollars, files I believe can be sold for 1 dollar (especially older files). But I would need to choose on an individual basis. I am sure dpc can also work with older content or low sellers.

Everyone has to make their own decisions, but now there is an opt in opt out option and those that are opted in get a risk bonus paid on Fotolia. And the rest of us seem to have gotten a raise as well. That is certainly a much better offer than 3 weeks ago.


Is it enough? That will be everyones personal decision. But overall working together the artists have achieved a change. So making our voices heard as a movement works.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2014, 16:55 by cobalt »

« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2014, 16:53 »
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What worries me is that FT is going to push its existing customers to move to DPC, which will make any increase in Commissions at FT moot. How long before they tell their FT customers that their credits will apply to an account at DPC if they move over?
I don't trust FT - this is all smoke and mirrors we are getting screwed - bottom line.

Ron

« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2014, 16:57 »
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I dont care if they are desperate but the subs on FT just went up by 15% points for me, which can mean a 400% increase on a XL sub sale. Without opting in to DPC. I take that raise any day of the week.

The only way this will really work is if people continue to opt out of DPC. They'll still get a raise in commission, but their sales on FT won't be undercut by sales on DPC.

It's a choice between a slightly lower (but higher than it was) commission on subs sales vs. a slightly higher commission that will quickly disappear as DPC sales take over and Fotolia sales drop.

Thanks for explanation...!! 4,71 go to Fotolia and 0,29 for me... I prefer this abuse to get into DPC...i want an "Opt - out "option for these fake 25$ subscription pack!!... I realy LOVE now Fotolia!!
I think you are now mixing a few thing up.

« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2014, 17:01 »
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So it looks like the opt out is actually hurting the DPC -  which seems to be pretty important to FT - not some separate entity after all eh? If they think that is where the action is to be, then throwing bones for sub packs or whatever looks like a relatively painless way to try to get good content back into the DPC. So, is it time for the contributors to thank the overlords for the bone or tighten the screws?

what percentage of sales are the ones that would rise if you opt in?  It looks like potential fuzzy accounting from FT as usual.

Ron

« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2014, 17:02 »
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Well I am not opting back in, but I do take the raise on FT  ;D

Feels like I am shafting an agency this time. LOL

« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2014, 17:03 »
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Just as a reminder, changing the royalties on monthly subscriptions redresses a massive cash crab that those entailed - see the examples of a regular subscription, monthly subscription and DPC in this thread, showing how much more of the amount the buyer paid Fotolia would collect from monthly & DPC than regular subscriptions.

Put another way, this huge increase is really just taking less out of your pocket than before - compared to a regular subscription.

To summarize the change in percentages (read the link above for details), for monthly subscriptions FT was paying out to contributors about 18% of what buyers paid them, compared to about 60% payout for a standard monthly subscription.

With these proposed changes, they're raising 18% to 20% or 25% (higher number if you agree to opt in to DPC where they pay out about 30% of the gross). All of which is still a big win for them, not for the contributor.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2014, 20:20 by Jo Ann Snover »

« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2014, 17:07 »
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Desperate, eh? :)

Probably.  Something smells rotten in the state of Denmark (and, no, it's not Yuri).

« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2014, 17:10 »
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The minimum amount you will be paid for a subscription commission is the rate that it has been.  If a member pays only $0.74 for an image you will still receive 0.33 credits if you are an Emerald contributor as it has always been.  This will not go down.  There is no downside to this..at all.  The only changes made here are massive increases in monthly subscription commissions. If a members pay $5 you will earn 1.25 credits if you opt in to DPC or 1 credit if you are opted out DPC.  Either way, it's a win for contributors.   


This is good to know, thank you for clarifying this, Mat.

« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2014, 17:10 »
+3

Fotolia is going the other direction

What direction was that again?

« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2014, 17:11 »
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The interest of contributors and the agencies is aligned and our only goal is to grow the market and to grow commissions as a whole. 

I would love to believe it, but coming from FT (nothing personal towards you, Mat) I can't. There is a too long history of screwing contributors.

Now if FT want to show us they have changed, then raise the entry price into DPC to at least $100 per month.

Then we're talking.

« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2014, 17:13 »
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A raise at FT is worthless when the staff at FT are currently in the lifeboats paddling over to DPC.

« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2014, 17:16 »
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What a stupid deal.
If i opted in my images can bought for one dollar. 
Who buys than my images on other Agencies for higher prices?

« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2014, 17:25 »
0
I haven't been following this DPC thing so dumb question - is this an opt in / opt out thing & how do we know if we have been automatically opted in?

Everyone's automatically opted in. You have to opt out, which only became an option after the peasants revolted (and a very hard to find option).

Cheers for that.  You're not kidding on the hard to find bit, buggered if I can see it...

« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2014, 17:29 »
+8
Make sales on DPC count like credit sales (since that's what they really are) for the purposes of moving up a level instead of counting 1/4 like subs. It's not a subscription if there's no termination period.

« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2014, 17:33 »
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FT have watched 25% of the content of DPC disappear into the ether within two weeks. They are sh*tting themselves. Hold your nerve people. This offer of increased subs royalties at an agency that is being scuppered from within is worthless.

« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2014, 17:35 »
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I haven't been following this DPC thing so dumb question - is this an opt in / opt out thing & how do we know if we have been automatically opted in?


Everyone's automatically opted in. You have to opt out, which only became an option after the peasants revolted (and a very hard to find option).


Cheers for that.  You're not kidding on the hard to find bit, buggered if I can see it...


Go to your Contributor page (http://us.fotolia.com/Contributor is mine).
Under My Account, select My Profile (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify).
Select Contributor Parameters (https://us.fotolia.com/Member/Modify/Contributor).
Find Sell my files on DPC and click Modify.

« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2014, 17:35 »
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fotolia should stop selling monthly subscricption for five or 10 images. Sell credits, 10 10 credits. You are stealing us!

that is our demand!

i recommend only SS to my customers, friends, etc....

Shut down DPC and sell credits not 5 images pack. maybe next year i'll say fotolia exist yes.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2014, 17:38 by Cesar »

« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2014, 17:36 »
+1
what kind of subscription sale is this?
earning: $ 0.203



stock-will-eat-itself

« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2014, 18:02 »
+1
Until now all we receive is our regular subscription rate.
For example the smallest package sells at $25 for 5 XXL images, i.e. we used to receive $0,25 - $0,40 per sale depending on our rank.

That is 5% - 8%.


Thanks for pointing that out, I never realised how appalling low the commission could actually be.

If agencies squeezed their work colleagues in the same way they would eventually just leave, suppliers are no different to the employees they sit next to every day. Push too hard and they'll give up and move on to something less demoralising.


 

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