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dbvirago

« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2015, 11:11 »
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How do you find rank? I haven't looked since the site redesign


« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2015, 11:43 »
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I expect another positive spin.
Only 20% of my FT sales come from US.
Now, with the increased exposure through Adobe Cloud, the US sales will probably get a visible boost!
And since FT has already a slightly better average $/DL than SS, with this increase, it's good news for the contributors, even if FT eats up some of the SS US market share.
What do you think SS will do if they lose market share to FT?

I don't think SS will lower prices, price isn't the attraction with CC/FT, it's the convenience of staying in program and using the image before you buy it. Difficult to see how SS or anyone else can compete with that. BIG USP for them and probably one of the most attractive in the marketplace. Buyers will pay a bit more for that to save their time.

You think of all the service businesses out there who only thrive because they provide services that people either haven't got the skills to do themselves, can't be bothered to do or do not have the time to do; cleaners, chaffeurs, gardeners, printers, photographers, etc, etc. People will pay for convenience and in a business like the creative market where the more time you have the more money you earn it, will be accepted wholesale.

Yep agree - I suspect the biggest cost for buyers is the time they spend looking for images rather than the low cost of the images. S Stock will need to raise their game - will be interesting to see how they do after having an easy ride.

« Reply #102 on: June 16, 2015, 12:11 »
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Wow!  I go to bed and all this great stuff happens!

Thank you Adobe for these improvements in the marketplace!!  I hope other sites will follow your lead of raising commissions and treating contributors as the valuable partners we are.  If they don't maybe down the line you could take the whole market by offering a sweet exclusivity deal. 

Anyways, thanks for this huge step in the right direction.  And congrats to Mat for getting to be the bearer of GOOD  news for once! ;)

« Reply #103 on: June 16, 2015, 12:30 »
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SS still pays more. 38 cents compared to 25 cents. I am only a little touched by the generosity  ::)

No that's not correct - you are comparing the top tier at SS to the bottom at FT.  They both start at 25 cents, and FT ends with diamond at 40 cents while SS stops at 38 cents.  So they pay the same at the lowest levels while SS pays less at the highest - your statement is dead wrong.  It has been harder to advance at FT in my experience but with subs now counting as a full DL that is changed.  With the new method I should be up a level but they still have me listed at the old one with a negative number of DLs required to go up - hope they get that sorted out soon.

FT diamond needs  1.000.000 downloads!!! How many contributors are diamond? Come on please. Stay realistic.

OK, but it is still not reasonable to compare the highest tier at one agency with the lowest at another.

To allow for a direct comparison, my lifetime average RPDL at SS is $0.67.  Based on that you would need to have about 750 DLs to get to 0.33, 4500 DLs to get to 0.36 and 15,000 DLS to get to 0.38.  Those correspond to FT levels bronze, silver and gold which pay 0.27. 0.29 and 0.31.  So at SS it is much easier to get to higher levels - at the first raise you are already above the gold level at FT and actually at the minimum subs guarantee for emerald.  If FT consistently pays above the minimum guarantee then the levels don't matter too much.  I would say probably 30-40% of my subs DLs at FT the past few months have been above the minimum.  So far today only one and it was the minimum for the level I used to be - I should go up a level with the new changes but that hasn't occurred yet.

Rinderart

« Reply #104 on: June 16, 2015, 12:33 »
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Wow!  I go to bed and all this great stuff happens!

Thank you Adobe for these improvements in the marketplace!!  I hope other sites will follow your lead of raising commissions and treating contributors as the valuable partners we are.  If they don't maybe down the line you could take the whole market by offering a sweet exclusivity deal. 

Anyways, thanks for this huge step in the right direction.  And congrats to Mat for getting to be the bearer of GOOD  news for once! ;)

agree. This comes at a perfect time and was predictable. I do think However that the commission structure is still to Low. If you raised it and offered exclusivity, I think you would see the competition folding overnight and.....it should. Adobe could have a complete Monopoly in a very short time if they did this and if they did, with their Tech and customer base......? they could be the biggest and most Profitable company Out there, even More than they are Now and deserve it. hello Adobe and Thank you for doing something to at least make us feel needed and a bit more respected.. Your company has always been about the creative community.

Good for you.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #105 on: June 16, 2015, 12:44 »
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History has shown that the more dominant any one company gets, the more they try to push back the boundaries of acceptibility with their suppliers.
Also, Adobe had its own image library for a while, and it folded, (though IIRC that one was RM [?]) though at that time it seemed like a winner.

« Reply #106 on: June 16, 2015, 12:53 »
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Mat, any plans to give exclusive contributors a better deal on Adobe sales than nonexclusive contributors or files.?

@Tickstock, not at this time. All contributors receive a 33% commission on Adobe Stock sales that exceed the minimum payout regardless of rank or exclusivity.

-Mat

« Reply #107 on: June 16, 2015, 12:53 »
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Mat, what about extended licenses on Adobe Stock (or via CC)?

@dirkr, Adobe Stock is not selling extended licenses at this time. All requests for this type of use will be referred to Fotolia.

-Mat

« Reply #108 on: June 16, 2015, 12:55 »
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How do you find rank? I haven't looked since the site redesign

@dbvirago you can find your rank on the contributor area page within your account: https://us.fotolia.com/Contributor

-Mat

dbvirago

« Reply #109 on: June 16, 2015, 12:57 »
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It was right in front of me. How am I supposed to see that?

« Reply #110 on: June 16, 2015, 13:06 »
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It was right in front of me. How am I supposed to see that?

LOL, I will let the tech team know they need to bury that information deeper :)

« Reply #111 on: June 16, 2015, 13:24 »
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However, in terms of average $/DL, FT was already paying slightly better than SS.
This upgrade will only increase the gap.

Really? Is that, like, a general thing?

My RPD on SS is 50% higher than on FT...

ultimagina

« Reply #112 on: June 16, 2015, 14:41 »
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However, in terms of average $/DL, FT was already paying slightly better than SS.
This upgrade will only increase the gap.

Really? Is that, like, a general thing?

My RPD on SS is 50% higher than on FT...
Really! Only IS pays less/DL than SS.

These are my stats:
1. DT - $1.45/DL
2. 123- $1.02/DL
3. FT -  $0.88/DL
4. SS - $0.85/DL
5. IS -  $0.65/DL

« Reply #113 on: June 16, 2015, 14:44 »
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However, in terms of average $/DL, FT was already paying slightly better than SS.
This upgrade will only increase the gap.

Really? Is that, like, a general thing?

My RPD on SS is 50% higher than on FT...
Really! Only IS pays less/DL than SS.

These are my stats:
1. DT - $1.45/DL
2. 123- $1.02/DL
3. FT -  $0.88/DL
4. SS - $0.85/DL
5. IS -  $0.65/DL
Hmm...  my RPD at iStock just for subs is higher than any of those sites.  Too bad Adobe didn't choose to go a bit (a lot) higher with sub royalties.

« Reply #114 on: June 16, 2015, 15:03 »
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Comparing RPD - in 2015 FT is having a better year falling between .56 and .88 and SS is growing also - between .7 and 1.99.  I'm still Silver on FT though.

« Reply #115 on: June 16, 2015, 15:15 »
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Really! Only IS pays less/DL than SS.

These are my stats:
1. DT - $1.45/DL
2. 123- $1.02/DL
3. FT -  $0.88/DL
4. SS - $0.85/DL
5. IS -  $0.65/DL

Similar on SS, but I have no idea why it's so low on FT for me (around 0.5).
Oh well.

« Reply #116 on: June 16, 2015, 15:16 »
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Hi Matt, I'm still not seeing any rise in royalty payments. When should I see a difference..?

ultimagina

« Reply #117 on: June 16, 2015, 15:30 »
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Comparing RPD - in 2015 FT is having a better year falling between .56 and .88 and SS is growing also - between .7 and 1.99.  I'm still Silver on FT though.

Just to clarify: I'm also silver on FT. And top tier on SS.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 15:38 by ultimagaina »

« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2015, 15:39 »
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I have to be honest, I feel kind of crap that I am not able to sell my photos through Adobe. Missing out on good money, all because I wanted to protect my intellectual property.

Apply through the adobe site. The thing i would be most worried about is whether Adobe is relying on the likes of "The Chad" and that greedy Oleg to run adobe stock. That will be a disaster for adobe. There needs to be separate management structure.

« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2015, 15:41 »
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I have to be honest, I feel kind of crap that I am not able to sell my photos through Adobe. Missing out on good money, all because I wanted to protect my intellectual property.

Apply through the adobe site. The thing i would be most worried about is whether Adobe is relying on the likes of "The Chad" and that greedy Oleg to run adobe stock. That will be a disaster for adobe. There needs to be separate management structure.

The Adobe site just points to Fotolia.

stock-will-eat-itself

« Reply #120 on: June 16, 2015, 15:47 »
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SS will have to pull something out of the bag to counter Adobe, exclusivity, curation or gateway to Offset.

Adobe have moved impressively fast since their acquisition, Fotolia website looks better, Adobe Stock site looks clean, Royalties increased, stock images baked into CC software all in the space of 6 months.

« Reply #121 on: June 16, 2015, 15:51 »
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SS will have to pull something out of the bag to counter Adobe, exclusivity, curation or gateway to Offset.

Adobe have moved impressively fast since their acquisition, Fotolia website looks better, Adobe Stock site looks clean, Royalties increased, stock images baked into CC software all in the space of 6 months.
I was just thinking the same thing.  Exclusivity is probably looking like much more of an option now.  I'm sure Shutterstock has something planned, everyone knew this was going to happen sometime soon.  We'll probably see what that is in the next month or two.

« Reply #122 on: June 16, 2015, 16:20 »
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I think this is the first "good news" change I've seen from an agency that might actually be good news. 

« Reply #123 on: June 16, 2015, 16:42 »
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Did anybody notice that the "Save Preview to Desktop" in AdobeStock, is twice as big as that in Fotolia? I like it! Shows more detail. Here's an example shown at 75% of actual size.

« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 16:58 by rimglow »

« Reply #124 on: June 16, 2015, 16:59 »
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They definetly have a plan and are executing it from a business standpoint

These moves can only be positive for contributers, and to boot they threw in a couple of goodies like raising the levels and raising coms

I keep having to pinch myself that contributers are finally on the receiving end of something positive, even if it is small benefits. All we've been seeing from just about every other agency is clawbacks in one form or another

i hope this makes SS sit up and notice - hell they're probably at a boardroom meeting at their fancy digs at ESB now contwmplating a counterattack


 

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