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« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2015, 08:45 »
+12
Its a refreshing change to have something happen that appears to be positive.
Hopefully a good chance for growth etc.

Am I dreaming or did I also see mention of Adobe Stock as a seperate website too? (i was running out the door when i started reading all the gubbins so maybe it was just a lack of oxygen)

Also, i got bumped up to emerald (!YAY!) which is another real buzz as I thought it was going to take easily another 4-5 months.

Hope everyone gets to see some increased earnings anyway, we deserve it!


« Reply #76 on: June 16, 2015, 09:21 »
+8
All they need to do now is change the name of FT so I could feel like maybe I could trust them again.  But so nice to wake up to some positive news for once!

WeatherENG

« Reply #77 on: June 16, 2015, 09:30 »
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In one of the articles it says video coming soon,  I shoot video, just wondering if content like what I shoot and a lot of it is branded editorial, especially my students on campus and severe weather stuff, will be accepted.   Don't want to go through what I did with VB, all the emails and ads saying they want my content, only to have almost all of it being rejected for being, editorial, too shaky, grainy, unusable, and....not likely to sell.  commissions for photos or video need to be at least 50% like on P5. We are doing half the work, it's only fair and agencies need to show some respect for our work OR, pay all the costs of my equipment, fuel, travel, etc, and then maybe I will take less than 50% in pay on sales.

So, have a look and thoroughly browse what I have at P5 and then tell me if that would be accepted on your new Adobe stock site, not going through the waste of time I did with VB, SS, Dissolve.

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ultimagina

« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2015, 09:36 »
+3
I expect another positive spin.
Only 20% of my FT sales come from US.
Now, with the increased exposure through Adobe Cloud, the US sales will probably get a visible boost!
And since FT has already a slightly better average $/DL than SS, with this increase, it's good news for the contributors, even if FT eats up some of the SS US market share.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 09:39 by ultimagaina »

« Reply #79 on: June 16, 2015, 09:50 »
+1
I expect another positive spin.
Only 20% of my FT sales come from US.
Now, with the increased exposure through Adobe Cloud, the US sales will probably get a visible boost!
And since FT has already a slightly better average $/DL than SS, with this increase, it's good news for the contributors, even if FT eats up some of the SS US market share.
What do you think SS will do if they lose market share to FT?

ultimagina

« Reply #80 on: June 16, 2015, 09:55 »
+1
I expect another positive spin.
Only 20% of my FT sales come from US.
Now, with the increased exposure through Adobe Cloud, the US sales will probably get a visible boost!
And since FT has already a slightly better average $/DL than SS, with this increase, it's good news for the contributors, even if FT eats up some of the SS US market share.
What do you think SS will do if they lose market share to FT?

You never know. I'm only guessing that it might be more convenient for a busy PS user to try and then buy a photo without leaving PS.
If FT can now grow in US, without affecting the SS sales, that's even better.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 09:57 by ultimagaina »

« Reply #81 on: June 16, 2015, 09:57 »
+1
I expect another positive spin.
Only 20% of my FT sales come from US.
Now, with the increased exposure through Adobe Cloud, the US sales will probably get a visible boost!
And since FT has already a slightly better average $/DL than SS, with this increase, it's good news for the contributors, even if FT eats up some of the SS US market share.
What do you think SS will do if they lose market share to FT?

You never know. I'm only guessing that it might be more convenient for a busy PS user to try and then buy a photo without leaving PS.
I agree but SS will probably respond so they don't lose too much market share.  The most obvious way would be by lowering prices.  It seems very unlikely that they will grow without taking some market share from SS, it may not mean much but SS shares are down 4% in the first couple hours of trading today so it seems like investors believe market share will be taken.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 10:01 by tickstock »

« Reply #82 on: June 16, 2015, 10:02 »
+3

I just hope Adobe fix that page that
shows our Social Securuty numbers....and blur some numbers out just like all other companies do.
Because that is a huuuuuuuuuuuge flaw in their system.

« Reply #83 on: June 16, 2015, 10:04 »
+3
SS still pays more. 38 cents compared to 25 cents. I am only a little touched by the generosity  ::)

No that's not correct - you are comparing the top tier at SS to the bottom at FT.  They both start at 25 cents, and FT ends with diamond at 40 cents while SS stops at 38 cents.  So they pay the same at the lowest levels while SS pays less at the highest - your statement is dead wrong.  It has been harder to advance at FT in my experience but with subs now counting as a full DL that is changed.  With the new method I should be up a level but they still have me listed at the old one with a negative number of DLs required to go up - hope they get that sorted out soon.

Tryingmybest

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« Reply #84 on: June 16, 2015, 10:08 »
+1
Since Adobe stepped into fotolia things seems to improve a lot. Hope the sales are going the same way. Thanks for the good work. :)

I agree. But I hate the company for trying to turn us into software rental sharecroppers with the CC scheme, but I'm making much more per sale. Most of them have been non-subscription.

« Reply #85 on: June 16, 2015, 10:11 »
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I agree but SS will probably respond so they don't lose too much market share.  The most obvious way would be by lowering prices.

Anything is possible, but that solution seems to ignore the last 5 years in micro for SS.

« Reply #86 on: June 16, 2015, 10:12 »
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I agree but SS will probably respond so they don't lose too much market share.  The most obvious way would be by lowering prices.

Anything is possible, but that solution seems to ignore the last 5 years in micro for SS.
How so?  Shutterstock has been taking market share for the last 5 years this seems like it could be a real challenge.

Me


« Reply #87 on: June 16, 2015, 10:20 »
+7
I expect another positive spin.
Only 20% of my FT sales come from US.
Now, with the increased exposure through Adobe Cloud, the US sales will probably get a visible boost!
And since FT has already a slightly better average $/DL than SS, with this increase, it's good news for the contributors, even if FT eats up some of the SS US market share.
What do you think SS will do if they lose market share to FT?

I don't think SS will lower prices, price isn't the attraction with CC/FT, it's the convenience of staying in program and using the image before you buy it. Difficult to see how SS or anyone else can compete with that. BIG USP for them and probably one of the most attractive in the marketplace. Buyers will pay a bit more for that to save their time.

You think of all the service businesses out there who only thrive because they provide services that people either haven't got the skills to do themselves, can't be bothered to do or do not have the time to do; cleaners, chaffeurs, gardeners, printers, photographers, etc, etc. People will pay for convenience and in a business like the creative market where the more time you have the more money you earn it, will be accepted wholesale.

« Reply #88 on: June 16, 2015, 10:22 »
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I expect another positive spin.
Only 20% of my FT sales come from US.
Now, with the increased exposure through Adobe Cloud, the US sales will probably get a visible boost!
And since FT has already a slightly better average $/DL than SS, with this increase, it's good news for the contributors, even if FT eats up some of the SS US market share.
What do you think SS will do if they lose market share to FT?

I don't think SS will lower prices, price isn't the attraction with CC/FT, it's the convenience of staying in program and using the image before you buy it. Difficult to see how SS or anyone else can compete with that. BIG USP for them and probably one of the most attractive in the marketplace. Buyers will pay a bit more for that to save their time.

You think of all the service businesses out there who only thrive because they provide services that people either haven't got the skills to do themselves, can't be bothered to do or do not have the time to do; cleaners, chaffeurs, gardeners, printers, photographers, etc, etc. People will pay for convenience and in a business like the creative market where the more time you have the more money you earn it, will be accepted wholesale.
So you think they'll just sit back and allow FT to take market share without doing anything?

« Reply #89 on: June 16, 2015, 10:29 »
+3
Increased royalties is definitely a step in the right direction for contributors, but how sad that a few pennies are rejoiced as a HUGE game changer. Adobe makes gazillions, contributors get peanuts. But one must look on the bright side at this point in microstock history. The increased exposure definitely should help sales, too. I will be interested to see how it all develops for contributors.

« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2015, 10:31 »
+6
Potentially, this is very bad news indeed for those of us who could not accept Fotolia's behaviour and quit the agency (and very bad news for the other agencies).  I wish they'd bought up DT or one of the others. I guess I'm just lucky that things have happened which mean my stock earnings are no longer a vital part of my finances.

« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2015, 10:31 »
+9
Hi Everyone,

Thank you so much for the great questions. I will do my best to continue to answer them all as the day goes on.


"Mat, how about past sub sales? will they count as one full download as well?"

@cidepix, Yes that is correct. All past subscription downloads have been adjusted to equal 1 full sale towards your rank.


Will sales on adobe stock be reported in real time on fotolia? Can we see on fotolia which sales came via adobe?

@cobalt: Yes, sales are recorded in real time. Those sales will not be differentiated in your dashboard at this time.

Will Adobe undercut his prices by DPC?
When will Adobe close DPC?


@r2d2 The prices that have been announced are what we are offering.
Dollar Photo Club will continue to run as normal. However, we have stopped promoting and marketing the site.
 

Mat, can you please clarify how will videos be treated by Adobe Stock?

@ultimagaina,  Videos are not currently available on Adobe Stock but we are constantly considering the best ways to improve the product based on client and contributors feedback and needs.


"Adobe - please reconsider accepting editorial content. There is a need in the marketplace for these kind of images as well!"

@noodle; We arent offering editorial at this time.


"Is it a pay raise?  750 images for $199 means you would get something like 8 or 9 cents per sale doesn't it?"

@tickstock, There is a minimum payout as seen in the link I shared earlier.


"I think that's correct but then is it a raise since everyone will get the guaranteed minimum?  Did they raise that or is it staying the same?"

The minimum payout structure remains the same according to your rank.


"Am I dreaming or did I also see mention of Adobe Stock as a seperate website too? (i was running out the door when i started reading all the gubbins so maybe it was just a lack of oxygen)"


@smilla, the standalone site for Adobe Stock is here:
www.stock.adobe.com


Me


« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2015, 10:32 »
+1
I expect another positive spin.
Only 20% of my FT sales come from US.
Now, with the increased exposure through Adobe Cloud, the US sales will probably get a visible boost!
And since FT has already a slightly better average $/DL than SS, with this increase, it's good news for the contributors, even if FT eats up some of the SS US market share.
What do you think SS will do if they lose market share to FT?

I don't think SS will lower prices, price isn't the attraction with CC/FT, it's the convenience of staying in program and using the image before you buy it. Difficult to see how SS or anyone else can compete with that. BIG USP for them and probably one of the most attractive in the marketplace. Buyers will pay a bit more for that to save their time.

You think of all the service businesses out there who only thrive because they provide services that people either haven't got the skills to do themselves, can't be bothered to do or do not have the time to do; cleaners, chaffeurs, gardeners, printers, photographers, etc, etc. People will pay for convenience and in a business like the creative market where the more time you have the more money you earn it, will be accepted wholesale.
So you think they'll just sit back and allow FT to take market share without doing anything?

Not at all, I think they will need to do something eventually, I just don't think it will be prices. Putting prices down will put pressure on their margins against a back drop of what we assume will be dropping market share, also assuming they would not reduce royalties any lower than they currently pay, that would mean a direct hit on their bottom line - reducing income and static costs - which would then have an immediate impact on share price and dividends. Something they cannot permit to happen.

They would be better off putting prices up to maintain margin and static royalties and try to come up with an innovative technological solution.

« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2015, 10:35 »
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SS still pays more. 38 cents compared to 25 cents. I am only a little touched by the generosity  ::)

No that's not correct - you are comparing the top tier at SS to the bottom at FT.  They both start at 25 cents, and FT ends with diamond at 40 cents while SS stops at 38 cents.  So they pay the same at the lowest levels while SS pays less at the highest - your statement is dead wrong.  It has been harder to advance at FT in my experience but with subs now counting as a full DL that is changed.  With the new method I should be up a level but they still have me listed at the old one with a negative number of DLs required to go up - hope they get that sorted out soon.

FT diamond needs  1.000.000 downloads!!! How many contributors are diamond? Come on please. Stay realistic.


« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2015, 10:35 »
+1
I agree but SS will probably respond so they don't lose too much market share.  The most obvious way would be by lowering prices.

Anything is possible, but that solution seems to ignore the last 5 years in micro for SS.
How so?  Shutterstock has been taking market share for the last 5 years this seems like it could be a real challenge.

In that SS has had most of its growth in the last years based on higher priced packages. It clearly seems like the trend they have been moving towards. Obviously, subs are a stable workhorse, but lowering prices on those is a double-edged sword. They will probably have to bear some of the brunt of any price lowering with losses in profit, since contributor claw backs have not typically gone well for companies. But if they want to ignore all that, then they can. It would seem weird to do that though.

That and as others have said, they'd be losing market share on services offered not price. So, what impact would it have to lower prices? Are cheaper subs going to lure you away from convenience? Probably not. Since there isn't much of an Adobe competitor they could work on their Facebook deal or something with another company like the Microsoft deal, but I'm not sure how well any of those have gone. I guess you could try to buy Adobe, but that seems insane.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 10:44 by cthoman »

« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2015, 10:39 »
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Potentially, this is very bad news indeed for those of us who could not accept Fotolia's behaviour and quit the agency (and very bad news for the other agencies).  I wish they'd bought up DT or one of the others. I guess I'm just lucky that things have happened which mean my stock earnings are no longer a vital part of my finances.

I wouldn't kick myself just yet. Let the dust settle and see how it pans out. If it goes the way of all the other agencies, once adobe gets everybody hooked, they will raise prices to buyers and drop royalties to contributors. I would LOVE to eat my words and see that not happen.

« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2015, 10:48 »
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Mat, any plans to give exclusive contributors a better deal on Adobe sales than nonexclusive contributors or files.? 

« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2015, 10:49 »
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Mat, what about extended licenses on Adobe Stock (or via CC)?

« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2015, 10:52 »
+8
Shutterstock next to make a new piece of software to compete with Photoshop? :D  8)

« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2015, 11:02 »
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Still Emerald.  ONLY need 48,000 dls to reach the next rank. :D


 

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