Author Topic: Introducing Adobe Stock! (Read 107700 times)

cobalt · « **Reply #250 on:** June 19, 2015, 03:18 »

Ah yes, SS as the ultimate villain that destroyed everyones income...and artists als naive idiots that can't make sensible decisions...and just Upload blindly because they have been ordered to do so...well, adobe is a much bigger company.

I guess the list of favorite stock enemies will be reshuffled as well.

You can always go exclusive with istock, there still are people making thousands of dollars a month there...

So many options in the market now, life is wonderful

Petr Toman · « **Reply #251 on:** June 19, 2015, 05:09 »

Quote from: MatHayward on June 17, 2015, 09:09

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 17, 2015, 09:06
Mat, how long does the transfer from FT to AS take for new images?

@Sean, I don't know the answer to that question. I will ask.

-Mat

I got 50 approved images yesterday, and today they are on AS. So it is very quick.
Today I received mail 11:06 AM and now is 12:09 and it is there.

Dodie · « **Reply #252 on:** June 19, 2015, 05:43 »

Quote from: Gel-O Shooter on June 17, 2015, 15:36

I explained my position to them, they are making changes, and I made a business decision based upon the changes they have made. The end.

You said, the end, that's why I added no text earlier. If you just want to have the last word you have no luck with me. Be aware that English is not my first language, so the easiest way to express myself is to be straightforward, without the intention of being rude. Here you have what you asked for:

I don't need to justify my opinion, free speech is for everyone not just for you. Denigration and instigation instead is against the law worldwide (I think).

Many people raised their voices back than for the DPC thing. Some were simply agitators and manipulators, not even FT contributors, others left FT in a decent manner, good for them.
Don't speak in the name of those people and try to drag them in you denigrating champagne from two weeks ago when though compensated for the mistake, you continued with your accusations and asked for more.

Quote from: cathyslife on June 18, 2015, 19:32

There are a whole lot of people who won't do that, even if they could, financially. But I really doubt that that had anything to do with FT making changes. I think this Adobe/Fotolia deal has been in the works and planning stages for quite a long time, long before you took a stand.

That's right, nothing has changed at FT since than except the money and FT/Adobe changes are definitely not the victory of forum agitators.

Quote from: Gel-O Shooter on June 18, 2015, 17:58

So please do tell us, Dod and Dum, what exactly you guys did to try and bring about some change?

DO TELL US What? Who do you think you are? And who is us? Those who dare not to agree with you are others and you are us?

What did I do? Sure not furor. Photography is a dear hobby of mine and the money is welcome, still I don't think any agency or business can be influenced by the revolt of forum members.
Just for the record, I have nothing against you, just against your big mouth. In fact I'm glad for anyone who came back to FT.

Now it is the end.

Artist · « **Reply #253 on:** June 19, 2015, 07:15 »

a small question, the earning which is made here at adobe stock, how are we going to track it?

Will they credit to our fotolia balance instantly if someone purchased stock from adobe stock or
are we going to get the share monthly wise.

StanRohrer · « **Reply #254 on:** June 19, 2015, 07:48 »

Quote from: michaeldb on June 18, 2015, 20:24

Quote from: noodle on June 18, 2015, 19:40
Good to remember too that selling stock is 100% of SS business

For Adobe selling stock is just the gravy on top
I expect that Adobe is also well aware that most of the hundreds of thousands of microstock contributors are Adobe customers as well. Another reason to try to keep us happy.

I see this as a (good) repeat of history. iStock started as designers sharing their images with other designers. Then the site started charging nickels and dimes per download so iStock could skim some middle-man money to help cover the server and internet costs. This also opened the market to buyers who did not have images to share. Hence, Microstock was born and iStock was the leader in making it all work.

iStock started going down as a result of Getty squeezing the increasing money out of the middle-man position - at the detriment of the suppliers and end users. Perhaps now we can be back to the supplier to user model with less drain by the middle-man. Perhaps we are now getting back to the seller/buyer community that was the fundamental start of iStock. However, this time, with Adobe at the middle-man helm, we are starting at a much larger scale, and with a company that has other intended revenue streams so they need not squeeze out the middle to pay the investment bills.

I am a long time iS Exclusive so will be watching Adobe/FT from the sidelines, for now, to see how it develops and to see how the other stock sites respond. I can only hope the other sites, including iS, respond in a manner to regrow the seller/buyer relationships. It is only with good seller/buyer relationships that the middle-man can skim off transactional costs for his part in the interaction. I can only hope the stock sites relearn the lesson that the relationships are what make the stock business work, not just the management school calculations of squeezing the most money out of the middle-man business position.

lima · « **Reply #255 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:13 »

Can´t see adobe stock webstite $:-\$

cathyslife · « **Reply #256 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:30 »

Maybe a location thing? The site is up for me, in the US.
edit: yes, sorry, just read the fine print...it's an area thing.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #257 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:41 »

Quote from: Toopy on June 19, 2015, 05:09

Quote from: MatHayward on June 17, 2015, 09:09
Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 17, 2015, 09:06
Mat, how long does the transfer from FT to AS take for new images?

@Sean, I don't know the answer to that question. I will ask.

-Mat

I got 50 approved images yesterday, and today they are on AS. So it is very quick.
Today I received mail 11:06 AM and now is 12:09 and it is there.

Wow, yes, new uploads are already there. Super quick. Good system.

amabu · « **Reply #258 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:49 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 19, 2015, 08:41

Quote from: Toopy on June 19, 2015, 05:09
Quote from: MatHayward on June 17, 2015, 09:09
Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 17, 2015, 09:06
Mat, how long does the transfer from FT to AS take for new images?

@Sean, I don't know the answer to that question. I will ask.

-Mat

I got 50 approved images yesterday, and today they are on AS. So it is very quick.
Today I received mail 11:06 AM and now is 12:09 and it is there.

Wow, yes, new uploads are already there. Super quick. Good system.

Accordingto yesterday's presentation they use the same database. So it should actually be instant.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #259 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:51 »

Has anyone been able to find the license terms for AS? I was going to ask in the session, but then I got booted.

bluesayler · « **Reply #260 on:** June 19, 2015, 08:54 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 19, 2015, 08:51

Has anyone been able to find the license terms for AS? I was going to ask in the session, but then I got booted.

Took some digging on the site, here they are: newbielink:http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/legal/servicetou/Adobe_Stock_Terms_en_US-20150313_hpc.pdf [nonactive]

Gel-O Shooter · « **Reply #261 on:** June 19, 2015, 09:18 »

Quote from: Dodie on June 19, 2015, 05:43

Quote from: Gel-O Shooter on June 17, 2015, 15:36
I explained my position to them, they are making changes, and I made a business decision based upon the changes they have made. The end.

You said, the end, that's why I added no text earlier. If you just want to have the last word you have no luck with me. Be aware that English is not my first language, so the easiest way to express myself is to be straightforward, without the intention of being rude. Here you have what you asked for:

I don't need to justify my opinion, free speech is for everyone not just for you. Denigration and instigation instead is against the law worldwide (I think).

Many people raised their voices back than for the DPC thing. Some were simply agitators and manipulators, not even FT contributors, others left FT in a decent manner, good for them.
Don't speak in the name of those people and try to drag them in you denigrating champagne from two weeks ago when though compensated for the mistake, you continued with your accusations and asked for more.

Quote from: cathyslife on June 18, 2015, 19:32
There are a whole lot of people who won't do that, even if they could, financially. But I really doubt that that had anything to do with FT making changes. I think this Adobe/Fotolia deal has been in the works and planning stages for quite a long time, long before you took a stand.

That's right, nothing has changed at FT since than except the money and FT/Adobe changes are definitely not the victory of forum agitators.

Quote from: Gel-O Shooter on June 18, 2015, 17:58
So please do tell us, Dod and Dum, what exactly you guys did to try and bring about some change?

DO TELL US What? Who do you think you are? And who is us? Those who dare not to agree with you are others and you are us?

What did I do? Sure not furor. Photography is a dear hobby of mine and the money is welcome, still I don't think any agency or business can be influenced by the revolt of forum members.
Just for the record, I have nothing against you, just against your big mouse. In fact I'm glad for anyone who came back to FT.

Now it is the end.

Ignore.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #262 on:** June 19, 2015, 09:31 »

Quote from: bluesayler on June 19, 2015, 08:54

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 19, 2015, 08:51
Has anyone been able to find the license terms for AS? I was going to ask in the session, but then I got booted.

Took some digging on the site, here they are: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/legal/servicetou/Adobe_Stock_Terms_en_US-20150313_hpc.pdf

I like those terms.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #263 on:** June 19, 2015, 10:16 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 19, 2015, 09:31

Quote from: bluesayler on June 19, 2015, 08:54
Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 19, 2015, 08:51
Has anyone been able to find the license terms for AS? I was going to ask in the session, but then I got booted.

Took some digging on the site, here they are: http://wwwimages.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/legal/servicetou/Adobe_Stock_Terms_en_US-20150313_hpc.pdf

I like those terms.

Agreed. Very plainly written - meaning it is (for the most part) easy to know what you can and can't do. It could use an editor to clean it up (for example "These Terms does not effectuate any sale of the work.")

Here is the general terms of use agreement (that points to various "Additional Terms" documents, including the above):

https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html

There is a section in the additional terms, 3.3, about social media use and it describes works being designated as "Social Media Enabled" with copyright information being visibly embedded in the work.

I looked at some images on Adobe Stock but couldn't see anything marked as Social Media Enabled. Does anyone know any more about this? It's nice to see someone trying to tackle the issue of using stock images on social media without effectively giving them away as a result.

They have a FAQ which includes the following response to a question about whether Adobe Stock is available to CC for enterprise customers: "Adobe Stock is not currently available for Creative Cloud for enterprise customers."

Wouldn't that be potentially the most interesting market for stock photos? Where the most volume is? In answer to the question about video, the FAQ notes that they hope to add it soon, but there's no "stay tuned" note for this. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'd think this was an area they'd want to address pronto.

marthamarks · « **Reply #264 on:** June 19, 2015, 10:29 »

My images—uploaded to FT on Tuesday, approved yesterday—are now on Adobe Stock. Very impressive.

They're gonna get a whole lot more from me.

Rinderart · « **Reply #265 on:** June 19, 2015, 10:39 »

"I can only hope the stock sites relearn the lesson that the relationships are what make the stock business work, not just the management school calculations of squeezing the most money out of the middle-man business position."

Great Post Stan!!!!!!!

packerguy · « **Reply #266 on:** June 19, 2015, 11:00 »

Interesting article from Reuters:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volume-variety-key-adobes-stock-151022958.html

Gel-O Shooter · « **Reply #267 on:** June 19, 2015, 11:09 »

Quote from: marthamarks on June 19, 2015, 10:29

My images—uploaded to FT on Tuesday, approved yesterday—are now on Adobe Stock. Very impressive.

They're gonna get a whole lot more from me.

Congrats, Martha. The FT techs are in the process of getting mine back online without me having to re-upload, which would take days. I'm really, really hoping Adobe stock is a good thing for everyone, not just Adobe.

tickstock · « **Reply #268 on:** June 19, 2015, 11:21 »

Quote from: packerguy on June 19, 2015, 11:00

Interesting article from Reuters:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volume-variety-key-adobes-stock-151022958.html

Yep, Getty unsettled, Shutterstock lowers prices, and Adobe takes a big share of the market. Wouldn't be so bad if subs royalties weren't way lower than even SS or if their pricing for on demand images wasn't also much lower. When they take market share and SS lowers prices (bigstock royalties coming too?) to match or beat Adobe how will overall income be affected?

Dumc · « **Reply #269 on:** June 19, 2015, 11:45 »

Quote from: Gel-O Shooter on June 19, 2015, 11:09

Quote from: marthamarks on June 19, 2015, 10:29
My images—uploaded to FT on Tuesday, approved yesterday—are now on Adobe Stock. Very impressive.

They're gonna get a whole lot more from me.

Congrats, Martha. The FT techs are in the process of getting mine back online without me having to re-upload, which would take days. I'm really, really hoping Adobe stock is a good thing for everyone, not just Adobe.

Money smells nice, doesn't it?

Shelma1 · « **Reply #270 on:** June 19, 2015, 11:46 »

I think Shutterstock has to react carefully. Lowering prices without raising royalties would result in a huge backlash from contributors. They don't want to erode their library growth by encouraging people to upload more to FT for higher royalties. (And we're already frustrated with the inspection process.)

But I do think customers are more likely to switch to FT from struggling Getty/iStock. And with their low royalties and their current sale lowering those royalties even more, iS also faces losing even more ground when it comes to the size of their library.

gbalex · « **Reply #271 on:** June 19, 2015, 11:59 »

Quote from: tickstock on June 19, 2015, 11:21

Quote from: packerguy on June 19, 2015, 11:00
Interesting article from Reuters:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volume-variety-key-adobes-stock-151022958.html

Yep, Getty unsettled, Shutterstock lowers prices, and Adobe takes a big share of the market. Wouldn't be so bad if subs royalties weren't way lower than even SS or if their pricing for on demand images wasn't also much lower. When they take market share and SS lowers prices (bigstock royalties coming too?) to match or beat Adobe how will overall income be affected?

I don't think the analyst or the article author understand the image market.

Time is money when it comes to delivering creatives.

Shutterstock bought Webdamn (digital asset management software) last year to make it easier for large enterprises to manage, integrate and buy their content.

If Adobe does a good job of making content faster to download, integrate and deliver the end creative product it will be a big win for them as far as content providers are concerned.

Rose Tinted Glasses · « **Reply #272 on:** June 19, 2015, 12:03 »

Quote from: tickstock on June 19, 2015, 11:21

Quote from: packerguy on June 19, 2015, 11:00
Interesting article from Reuters:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volume-variety-key-adobes-stock-151022958.html

Yep, Getty unsettled, Shutterstock lowers prices, and Adobe takes a big share of the market. Wouldn't be so bad if subs royalties weren't way lower than even SS or if their pricing for on demand images wasn't also much lower. When they take market share and SS lowers prices (bigstock royalties coming too?) to match or beat Adobe how will overall income be affected?

I think this move by Adobe is one of the most brilliant moves I have seen in any business. Outstanding. However once this agency gets some traction of which I believe it will, you can kiss the future of supplying stock photos anywhere goodbye. This offering I feel is a complete game changer for the whole industry and is establishing the new valuation of the future of stock photos direct to the desktops of designers.

It only makes sense neither SS or Getty were available to comment. Getty has now been sideswiped twice, the first time by SS and now Adobe. SS has been sideswiped for the first time as they know this will cut into their business big time, and my bet says they did not see this one coming.

tickstock · « **Reply #273 on:** June 19, 2015, 12:18 »

Quote from: Rose Tinted Glasses on June 19, 2015, 12:03

Quote from: tickstock on June 19, 2015, 11:21
Quote from: packerguy on June 19, 2015, 11:00
Interesting article from Reuters:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/volume-variety-key-adobes-stock-151022958.html

Yep, Getty unsettled, Shutterstock lowers prices, and Adobe takes a big share of the market. Wouldn't be so bad if subs royalties weren't way lower than even SS or if their pricing for on demand images wasn't also much lower. When they take market share and SS lowers prices (bigstock royalties coming too?) to match or beat Adobe how will overall income be affected?

I think this move by Adobe is one of the most brilliant moves I have seen in any business. Outstanding. However once this agency gets some traction of which I believe it will, you can kiss the future of supplying stock photos anywhere goodbye. This offering I feel is a complete game changer for the whole industry and is establishing the new valuation of the future of stock photos direct to the desktops of designers.

It only makes sense neither SS or Getty were available to comment. Getty has now been sideswiped twice, the first time by SS and now Adobe. SS has been sideswiped for the first time as they know this will cut into their business big time, and my bet says they did not see this one coming.

Everyone saw this coming, I think most people thought it would be even worse for contributors than this deal is which might explain why people are so excited even though they are going to lose money in the long run (or maybe very quickly depending how fast Adobe can convert subscribers). My guess is you'll see something from SS within 2 months, before the busy season when a lot of renewals are up.

wordplanet · « **Reply #274 on:** June 19, 2015, 12:22 »

With over 20,000 results for a simple two word search phrase, at least one of the photos that I uploaded yesterday is on page one of Adobe Stock and another on page 2. My work was reviewed quickly and Matt responded to my in site email question right away. So far the new fotolia/adobe looks promising. A 100% acceptance rate - albeit for about 15 files indexed so far, is nice too.

SS is back to normal this month but only time will tell how things will go. So far, the moves at F/A are positive and this is microstock after all so we can't really expect them to go with mid stock pricing for the same files that are on micros elsewhere.

It would be great if F/A ends up adding a mid or upper level priced option going forward. On balance, though, IMHO the news is positive.

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