admin edit.. fixed typo in subject

Just noticed this myself.  If you can set prices, the range says [3-2].  Does that make sense?

no, how hard is to inform contributors?

we can't do anything anyway but that would be the minimum...

In don't see this "instant Standard" on that page.

vanished today

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How can I ignore the Symbiostock topics?

I agree that all those threads simply kill all the visibility from discussions of the other agencies. The ones that for better or worse still pay us the bills.

I would like to see a limit on the number of discussions about any agency displayed in the Recent Discussion page. Let's say 5 topics per agency.

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I'm shocked that people aren't weighing in on this.  When a major agency makes a significant change that impacts us, we should all take serious note.

I think the problem is... DARE I SAY IT... that Symbiostock topics are choking everything else out.  There are about a dozen Symbiostock topics pushing this thread way down the list.  A year ago, this thread would have gotten a lot of attention and sparked a lot of conversation.  But today, people aren't seeing it because "how do I do this or that" Symbiostock topics hog up virtually all the space "above the fold."

I'm not a Symbiostock hater ... I consider myself in the "wait and see" camp ... but it really has taken over this forum and made it less useful for those of us on the fence or disinterested in Symbiostock.  Not sure what the solution is, but I can see myself checking this site less and less if this continues.  Just not interested in having to scroll and scroll and scroll to find items that are actually relevant to me.

I agree. Symbiostock is eating up the whole forum. Every little bit of information seems to need a new thread, an there are a score of little bits every day. It shouldn't be too hard to concentrate all in two or three threads.

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I just un-ignored Symbiostock again to look a bit closer at the threads that were there and this forum seemed very different than the one I'm seeing, it doesn't look like the same place at all.  Symbiostock threads make this place look very technical like this forum is about something altogether different than photography (vectors, video, etc..), "VPS or Server", Widgets, Backup Vaultpress, MySQL database, Symbiostock_XML_cache. 

Oh, I've got them on ignore too [1]; and I agree, if I saw that I'd immediately think 'this isn't for me'.
[1] I do think symbiostock is a good idea and wish it well, but clearly I'm 1000 leagues under the techie specs required.

Quote from: stockmarketer on September 06, 2013, 09:55

The simple fact is that most people will not take the extra steps to investigate how to ignore topics and take the action to do so. 

That means people who might have real insights to offer will come to this forum, see dozens of Symbiostock threads that mean nothing to them, and leave.

I have seen the thread about people complaining about Symbiostock overtaking the forum, and the replies of the Sy-embracers saying we just have to hide it if we don't like it, and I myself didn't take the time to follow those steps.  Call me lazy, but the fact is, most people will not jump through those hoops, and they will end up thinking there's little discussion of value here.

Them's the facts.  It's not about snobbery.  To the average visitor, this forum is now nothing but instructions on setting up a Symbiostock site and how to try to make it actually sell. 

Leaf, there needs to be a better answer than making people hide topics if you want this forum to continue to thrive.  Maybe Symbiostock will be a dead issue a year from now and this won't be a problem, but at that point, you may have already lost us for good.

You surprise me with this one. I've noted how intelligently you have approached microstock, always analysing how to make the biggest buck with your time ... yet you seem unable or unwilling to undertake the couple of clicks it requires to make best use of your time on MSG?

I ignored Symbiostock threads months ago, as soon as they started to take over the front page. Until you started complaining about them I had no idea that they were still going strong.

Hi Gostwyck,

I think you and I are a mutual admiration society.  You seem to be the one with whom I agree the most in the forum.  I think I would have a similar reaction to seeing someone post a complaint like mine.  The only reason I haven't ignored Symbiostock threads is that if it ever starts paying off for people, I'd like to see those threads and then reevaluate my decision to sit out on Sy.  Of course, with each passing week that seems less likely to happen, so I might hit that Ignore button sooner than later.

But I'm most concerned about the casual visitor who doesn't know that ignoring is an option.  These people may have really useful insights that could benefit you and me.   I really do think the overall usefulness of the forum is threatened when an important new thread is immediately buried (at least for the 95% of the audience who is not ignoring Sy threads). 

Someone with valuable microstock experience but an infrequent visitor here might stop in, see dozens of Sy threads, and decide,  "nothing for me here" and never come back.  They lose by not seeing the relevant stuff, and you and I lose by not reading their thoughts on things that really matter to us.  A lot of those folks won't bother with investigating how to hide certain topics.  They just won't come back.

Oh, I've got them on ignore too [1]; and I agree, if I saw that I'd immediately think 'this isn't for me'.
[1] I do think symbiostock is a good idea and wish it well, but clearly I'm 1000 leagues under the techie specs required.

You dont have to be techie specs at all. Not at all. Only if you want to heavily customise and add all kinds of features. I didnt do any of that and it was a breeze. And I am no techie either

Oh the irony that a thread about Fotolia is dominated by discussing Symbiostock

Quote from: gostwyck on September 06, 2013, 10:30

Quote from: stockmarketer on September 06, 2013, 09:55

The simple fact is that most people will not take the extra steps to investigate how to ignore topics and take the action to do so. 

That means people who might have real insights to offer will come to this forum, see dozens of Symbiostock threads that mean nothing to them, and leave.

I have seen the thread about people complaining about Symbiostock overtaking the forum, and the replies of the Sy-embracers saying we just have to hide it if we don't like it, and I myself didn't take the time to follow those steps.  Call me lazy, but the fact is, most people will not jump through those hoops, and they will end up thinking there's little discussion of value here.

Them's the facts.  It's not about snobbery.  To the average visitor, this forum is now nothing but instructions on setting up a Symbiostock site and how to try to make it actually sell. 

Leaf, there needs to be a better answer than making people hide topics if you want this forum to continue to thrive.  Maybe Symbiostock will be a dead issue a year from now and this won't be a problem, but at that point, you may have already lost us for good.

You surprise me with this one. I've noted how intelligently you have approached microstock, always analysing how to make the biggest buck with your time ... yet you seem unable or unwilling to undertake the couple of clicks it requires to make best use of your time on MSG?

I ignored Symbiostock threads months ago, as soon as they started to take over the front page. Until you started complaining about them I had no idea that they were still going strong.

Hi Gostwyck,

I think you and I are a mutual admiration society.  You seem to be the one with whom I agree the most in the forum.  I think I would have a similar reaction to seeing someone post a complaint like mine.  The only reason I haven't ignored Symbiostock threads is that if it ever starts paying off for people, I'd like to see those threads and then reevaluate my decision to sit out on Sy.  Of course, with each passing week that seems less likely to happen, so I might hit that Ignore button sooner than later.

But I'm most concerned about the casual visitor who doesn't know that ignoring is an option.  These people may have really useful insights that could benefit you and me.   I really do think the overall usefulness of the forum is threatened when an important new thread is immediately buried (at least for the 95% of the audience who is not ignoring Sy threads). 

Someone with valuable microstock experience but an infrequent visitor here might stop in, see dozens of Sy threads, and decide,  "nothing for me here" and never come back.  They lose by not seeing the relevant stuff, and you and I lose by not reading their thoughts on things that really matter to us.  A lot of those folks won't bother with investigating how to hide certain topics.  They just won't come back.

Ouch __ I see what you mean! I've just Unignored the Sybiostock forum and found that 32 of the 50 front page posts were all about SY. That is indeed ridiculous and undoubtedly means all other topics suffer as a result. Something needs to be done!!

I'll try and figure out a solution soon....  Perhaps I'll push all the symbiostock threads to a lower part of the front page.

Quote from: leaf on September 06, 2013, 15:38

I'll try and figure out a solution soon....  Perhaps I'll push all the symbiostock threads to a lower part of the front page.

... done.  We can try that for a bit and see how it works/feels.  You can also minimize the symbiostock thread area if you want.

Brilliant. Perfect solution. Thank you Leaf.

I dont get this reasoning about no one being able to find anything. If you are looking for stuff on, for example, Shutterstock, you click on the Shutterstock forum area. In the Shutterstock forum there is nothing about Symbiostock. Etc. You only see the list of all open topics on the home page, as on any forum. Any forum visitor knows you need to go to the forum area you are interested in.

When I visit www.boards.ie I see a bunch of threads I dont need. But I do know if I want to know something about a good doctor in my area I go to that part of the forum.

And I also dont get the reasoning its all a hidden marketing trick. Leo asked Leaf if Leaf wanted to host the Symbiostock forum for a while and Leaf was nice to help out. I am sure when all the upgrades and updates are sorted, it will calm down. There is also talk of moving the Symbiostock forum to its own website.

Well I return the reasoning to you: why can't the people involved in the symbiostock project click on the corresponding forum area and leave the Recent Discussions page free for all the other agencies which are the ones the vast majority of the contributors use at the moment?

Why should I have to open 10 different forum areas to look at what interests me because a small part of the community is involved in this project?

Isn't it easier for the symbiostock members to access one forum than all the other users to have to open ten or more?

Especially, as others have mentioned, most of the topics are technical stuff that only interest to symbiostock users since they are the ones involved in the project.

I'd love to stop ignoring the symbiostock forum so I could easily follow the developments that may interest to the people not yet involved in it. I couldn't care less about programming and the techy stuff, and if I was to be involved I could easily go to that forum part.

Oh the irony that a thread about Fotolia is dominated by discussing Symbiostock

I was actually thinking the same thing. So, what was the deal with the Fotolia thing? I don't have an account there anymore, but I still like to keep up with what is going on.

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or just click on (-) ??

that's easier than going to settings and ignore a forum..

So what about getting this thread back on topic. Does Anyone have info on the new license at Fotolia?

...and some symbio-obsession 

Quote from: Ron on September 06, 2013, 16:36

Maybe there isnt any other discussion going on and therefor there are not more threads outside symbiostock. Are you now seriously discussing who has more slots? All your threads are now on top, Symbiostock is at the bottom. Just open more threads and you will get more slots filled.

I will agree on this one.. some people sound like they got symbio-phobia 

This has nothing to do with symbio-phobia. I'm very interested in that project despite all seems so confusing that I wouldn't know where to begin (at least the last time I've checked). That's why I've mentioned that it could be of interest to have displayed the "General" sub-forum in the Recent Discussions list. I don't want to have to ignore Symbiostock. I want to have instant access to new discussions that could interest people outside the project.

But apart from that I find excessive the amount of very technical topics that only interest, not even all symbiostock members, but only a fraction of those. Yet, they occupy the Recent Discussion slots which take care of dozens of other agencies.

Ron also mentions that if we want more topics of other agencies on the Recent Discussion to create them. First of all, if I have to open 10 tabs to look at all the other agencies discussions to find something new and recent it's MUCH MORE time consuming and so less practical that I believe many people, like me, end up giving up. So, a topic that in the past would be visible in the Recent page time enough to capture others interest now disappears instantly because of Symbiostock technical issues that only interest their members clogging up the page.

Now it's partially solved with the separation of the threads (thanks Leaf), but until today it was hard to spot non-symbiostock threads  in the Recent page. In the last weeks or months I took a look and closed the MSG page almost instantly because this site seems to be no longer about Microstock but about Symbiostock.

And what I'm defending it's even in the interest of Symbiostock members because I believe almost 100% of you also contribute to other agencies and need to keep up with their news. Despite your legitimate interest in Symbiostock at the present moment you're having information "denied" about agencies that for the moment earn you the real money.

So, this is not Symbio-phobia, it's about balance.

And I can't understand why the people defending the current situation about Symbiostock think it's easy for ALL the community to have to check for tenths of different agency forums, but miraculously it becomes hard for them to have to check the five sub-forums of the Symbiostock Forum, and that justifies the almost monopoly of the Recent page...

I am not seeing this new License, it was probably the same mistake as IS with their new RC. Testing the waters, creating new license and accidently went live. I cant find anything on their site about a new license. I will ask support.

Mat Hayward replied at FT forum

Fotolia engineers are always beta testing new products and services. Further information will be released at an upcoming date.

  So it is what I thought it is.

I have to say, it seems like a good thing, I think.

I dont know, hence I used the words seem and think

The simple fact is that most people will not take the extra steps to investigate how to ignore topics and take the action to do so. 

That means people who might have real insights to offer will come to this forum, see dozens of Symbiostock threads that mean nothing to them, and leave.

I have seen the thread about people complaining about Symbiostock overtaking the forum, and the replies of the Sy-embracers saying we just have to hide it if we don't like it, and I myself didn't take the time to follow those steps.  Call me lazy, but the fact is, most people will not jump through those hoops, and they will end up thinking there's little discussion of value here.

Them's the facts.  It's not about snobbery.  To the average visitor, this forum is now nothing but instructions on setting up a Symbiostock site and how to try to make it actually sell. 

Leaf, there needs to be a better answer than making people hide topics if you want this forum to continue to thrive.  Maybe Symbiostock will be a dead issue a year from now and this won't be a problem, but at that point, you may have already lost us for good.

This. I am very interested in Symbiostock and will eventually make a site of my own. But it has become a problem here, and having the thoretical option to ignore it is no solution.