Author Topic: News from Adobe Max! Applications now accepted for Premium submissions. (Read 4497 times)

obj owl · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2019, 17:31 »

Anybody have a feeling of déjà vu?

https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/what-premier-select-means-for-shutterstock-contributors

but then again Adobe isn't Shutterstock, but then again Shutterstock wasn't Istock.

Stockmaan · « **Reply #26 on:** November 22, 2019, 17:54 »

Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19

Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks

dooks · « **Reply #27 on:** November 23, 2019, 08:56 »

Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54

Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks

Once accepted, you can submit only exclusive content, I guess. At least that's how it works with almost anything outside microstock.

hellou · « **Reply #28 on:** November 23, 2019, 09:43 »

I'm not applying for a job, dewm I know neither what it is, nor what I deserve. Not even if this is positive or even negative (for a seller !).
For "larger clients"? This usually means very low prices or even unlimited downloads. All this is just embarrassing. What does the customer pay, how much is the commission? What is expected from the photographer? Any info?

Stockmaan · « **Reply #29 on:** November 23, 2019, 13:16 »

Quote from: dooks on November 23, 2019, 08:56

Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks
Once accepted, you can submit only exclusive content, I guess. At least that's how it works with almost anything outside microstock.

Thank you for explaining this.

MxR · « **Reply #30 on:** November 25, 2019, 04:36 »

Quote from: dooks on November 23, 2019, 08:56

Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks
Once accepted, you can submit only exclusive content, I guess. At least that's how it works with almost anything outside microstock.

NO. Adobes premium is not exclusive. i,m in

dooks · « **Reply #31 on:** November 25, 2019, 05:20 »

Quote from: MxR on November 25, 2019, 04:36

Quote from: dooks on November 23, 2019, 08:56
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks
Once accepted, you can submit only exclusive content, I guess. At least that's how it works with almost anything outside microstock.

NO. Adobes premium is not exclusive. i,m in

Thank you for the info.
How is it premium then, based on what? And if you can sell the same pictures on other agencies maybe even much cheaper, how do they justify premium prices?

MxR · « **Reply #32 on:** November 25, 2019, 05:41 »

Quote from: dooks on November 25, 2019, 05:20

Quote from: MxR on November 25, 2019, 04:36
Quote from: dooks on November 23, 2019, 08:56
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks
Once accepted, you can submit only exclusive content, I guess. At least that's how it works with almost anything outside microstock.

NO. Adobes premium is not exclusive. i,m in
Thank you for the info.
How is it premium then, based on what? And if you can sell the same pictures on other agencies maybe even much cheaper, how do they justify premium prices?

I really asked in up to three emails about the non exclusivity limitation, if there was a maximum or minimum price or any prohibited agency.... and they never answered me. Offset is exclusive to me (for other more fortunate contributors not) and getty is exclusive and abusive for me so those markets in my case were ruled out.
For a similar price you can send the photos to Alamy, upload them to Creative Market at the same price you adobe (and you will never sell any)

Contractually, in my case it was never clear.

I stopped uploading content because I make more money with microstock than with any kind of premium. Upload some family photos that i dont want in micro.

dooks · « **Reply #33 on:** November 25, 2019, 06:06 »

Quote from: MxR on November 25, 2019, 05:41

Quote from: dooks on November 25, 2019, 05:20
Quote from: MxR on November 25, 2019, 04:36
Quote from: dooks on November 23, 2019, 08:56
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks
Once accepted, you can submit only exclusive content, I guess. At least that's how it works with almost anything outside microstock.

NO. Adobes premium is not exclusive. i,m in
Thank you for the info.
How is it premium then, based on what? And if you can sell the same pictures on other agencies maybe even much cheaper, how do they justify premium prices?

I really asked in up to three emails about the non exclusivity limitation, if there was a maximum or minimum price or any prohibited agency.... and they never answered me. Offset is exclusive to me (for other more fortunate contributors not) and getty is exclusive and abusive for me so those markets in my case were ruled out.
For a similar price you can send the photos to Alamy, upload them to Creative Market at the same price you adobe (and you will never sell any)

Contractually, in my case it was never clear.

I stopped uploading content because I make more money with microstock than with any kind of premium. Upload some family photos that i dont want in micro.

Thank you for the quick response.
For example, I contribute to a "macrostock" agency and they ask for content exclusivity. On the other hand, I send my microstock files to EyeEm and if accepted for their Getty portfolio these files are sold side by side with the "macrostock" agency files. And the "macrostock" agency sends their files to, like, 50 partners, Adobe, Offset and Getty being among them. So no exclusivity condition put on them. The whole stock market looks like a complete mess and most of the agencies are asking for premium prices for files that don't justify those prices at all. At the end, as weird as it sounds, microstock market seems to be the most honest and straigthforward market out there.

MxR · « **Reply #34 on:** November 25, 2019, 07:28 »

Quote from: dooks on November 25, 2019, 06:06

Quote from: MxR on November 25, 2019, 05:41
Quote from: dooks on November 25, 2019, 05:20
Quote from: MxR on November 25, 2019, 04:36
Quote from: dooks on November 23, 2019, 08:56
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks
Once accepted, you can submit only exclusive content, I guess. At least that's how it works with almost anything outside microstock.

NO. Adobes premium is not exclusive. i,m in
Thank you for the info.
How is it premium then, based on what? And if you can sell the same pictures on other agencies maybe even much cheaper, how do they justify premium prices?

I really asked in up to three emails about the non exclusivity limitation, if there was a maximum or minimum price or any prohibited agency.... and they never answered me. Offset is exclusive to me (for other more fortunate contributors not) and getty is exclusive and abusive for me so those markets in my case were ruled out.
For a similar price you can send the photos to Alamy, upload them to Creative Market at the same price you adobe (and you will never sell any)

Contractually, in my case it was never clear.

I stopped uploading content because I make more money with microstock than with any kind of premium. Upload some family photos that i dont want in micro.
Thank you for the quick response.
For example, I contribute to a "macrostock" agency and they ask for content exclusivity. On the other hand, I send my microstock files to EyeEm and if accepted for their Getty portfolio these files are sold side by side with the "macrostock" agency files. And the "macrostock" agency sends their files to, like, 50 partners, Adobe, Offset and Getty being among them. So no exclusivity condition put on them. The whole stock market looks like a complete mess and most of the agencies are asking for premium prices for files that don't justify those prices at all. At the end, as weird as it sounds, microstock market seems to be the most honest and straigthforward market out there.

For me it is a financial issue. I put a lot of effort into a macro distribution agency and with better photos my income was lower than my microstock portfolio. More quality demands with brutal screens of content, exclusivity and less money.
The only coherent exclusivity I see is that of Stocksy, but unfortunately I'm not there.

derby · « **Reply #35 on:** November 25, 2019, 15:36 »

In my opinion "exclusivity" with one agency doesn't mean nothing today, because of photographers competition.
From buyer point of view I can find quite any possible similar image in each agency, so why should I pay for "exclusive" image that is not really exclusive, as the agency can sell the same image hundred or thousand times?

"Premium" content has nothing to do with exclusivity, it has to do with the license you buy. Premium content is for big companies that need large number of images with large use licenses: and, of course, as big company you can ask a big discount. So "premium" will never mean more money for contributors, at the contrary it will be less.

Going back in topic: I think Adobe it's very clever not to ask exclusivity, because this is really not a plus. With premium they sell services, I think: they can give selection of images based on specific request, cherry picking of best ones, analyze and give advanced choices to the buyer.

This is only my opinion, of course: I've nothing to do with images agencies, but I work in television programming and I know very very well what kind of research are made by company marketing office, looking for strategies, and what kind of help they ask to external services like image agencies.

If I should look for specific content from (let's say) Adobe video, I would ask for premium services to find right ones, not premium content but premium services.

Real exclusivity (buying exclusive use of an image or clip for limited or unlimited time) is much more expensive, and it's not a "premium" content, it's exclusive license, and its value is thousand of dollars

ONLY MY OPINION!

marthamarks · « **Reply #36 on:** November 25, 2019, 16:01 »

Quote from: MxR on November 25, 2019, 04:36

Quote from: dooks on November 23, 2019, 08:56
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks
Once accepted, you can submit only exclusive content, I guess. At least that's how it works with almost anything outside microstock.

NO. Adobes premium is not exclusive. i,m in

How do you know that???

pancaketom · « **Reply #38 on:** November 25, 2019, 17:22 »

Quote from: MatHayward on November 25, 2019, 16:52

Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks

Our Premium collection consists of some exclusive content and some non-exclusive. It varies based on the agreement with the artist.

-Mat

So is this agreement available for viewing anywhere or is it a case of each supplier gets a different agreement? Are some suppliers more equal than others?

derby · « **Reply #39 on:** November 25, 2019, 17:44 »

Quote from: pancaketom on November 25, 2019, 17:22

Are some suppliers more equal than others?

Of course suppliers are different, each one is different.
Why on the earth you should think that in this big competitive market we should be all equal? And why we should receive the same agreement (and just a minute after read post complaining about "competition")?

Once again, I think Adobe is doing good: they select the interesting portfolios and then give a proposal on different base depending on how much do they think is portfolio value.
And then you can accept, or not, or maybe you can ask something different.
I can't see a more fair approach than this. Well, it's the very normal way in which an agency should work with his contributors.

Stockmaan · « **Reply #40 on:** November 26, 2019, 06:10 »

Quote from: MatHayward on November 25, 2019, 16:52

Quote from: Stockmaan on November 22, 2019, 17:54
Quote from: Stockmaan on November 07, 2019, 10:19
Again is this for exclusive content only?

And again is this for exclusive content only?

Anyone knows? Mat?

Thanks

Our Premium collection consists of some exclusive content and some non-exclusive. It varies based on the agreement with the artist.

-Mat

Thanks you Mat for answer!

So, now I am ready to participate if still possible.

Best regards!

KuriousKat · « **Reply #41 on:** **Yesterday** at 11:20 »

Any update on this? Mat said we would hear within two weeks so do we assume that if we didn't hear within that time we didn't make the cut?

KuriousKat · « **Reply #43 on:** **Today** at 06:54 »

Quote from: MatHayward on Yesterday at 11:32

Quote from: KuriousKat on Yesterday at 11:20
Any update on this? Mat said we would hear within two weeks so do we assume that if we didn't hear within that time we didn't make the cut?

I will personally email anyone that did not make the cut to let them know directly as soon as I get the list.

Thanks for your patience!

Mat

OK, thanks!

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