Author Topic: What's your weekly ranking and how many images? (Read 138334 times)

cobalt · « **Reply #775 on:** August 20, 2024, 10:45 »

I like sharing stats. helps to deal with frustrations if I am not the only one going down. And it is valuable for people who are new or for people like me who are coming back to stock to get an idea if it is even possible to get back into a near full time income position.

Not interested in stats, just ignore the thread.

All is good.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #776 on:** August 20, 2024, 11:08 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 20, 2024, 10:45

I like sharing stats. helps to deal with frustrations if I am not the only one going down. And it is valuable for people who are new or for people like me who are coming back to stock to get an idea if it is even possible to get back into a near full time income position.

Not interested in stats, just ignore the thread.

All is good.

Sharing unreliable, personal stats, with others, does nothing. Correct, you aren't the only one going down or up, but weekly position, that isn't based on Downloads, while we all have different collections of images, different types, styles and formats, what value is there in that.

The stats that Adobe provides as Position are inconsistent. If you are basing your sharing of success or failure on that, the whole basis for determining any of that, is flawed to start with. So my point is, no, the stats and the value are worthless and a waste of time. Especially when it's the weekly numbers.

If you asked once a year in January for annual? Maybe?

cobalt · « **Reply #777 on:** August 22, 2024, 16:10 »

It is fun.

pos 3770, files 5870

today my landing page issues and stuck searches resolved themselves.

today was the day I was going to write to support, been taking screenshots all week.

now I don't have to.

eta2

looks like we have an optimized landing page

slimmer header image, larger galleries. looks great!

Injustice for all · « **Reply #778 on:** August 23, 2024, 10:21 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 20, 2024, 10:45

I like sharing stats. helps to deal with frustrations if I am not the only one going down. And it is valuable for people who are new or for people like me who are coming back to stock to get an idea if it is even possible to get back into a near full time income position.

Not interested in stats, just ignore the thread.

All is good.

share share I'm interested in reading..I don't feel like working today!

recently I created a content that sold 4 times in 48 hours immediately after approval and then finished,it didn't sell anymore,are more than 2 weeks now,it is content that is always current,all year round and always will be,it should sell much more than this.

further proof that my port is already ready to make me earn at least 3 times more than I earn,it's mostly just a question of time.

my results this month are already good,I'm at about 20% more sales numbers and 50% more earnings compared to August 2023 and the month isn't over yet.

I expect a good increase in sales any time now in order to reach my goal of at least 80% more earnings or sales numbers compared to 2023.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #779 on:** August 23, 2024, 17:33 »

My week started out pretty well but slowed right down from Wednesday through Friday. See what the weekend brings (as it's Saturday morning here) hopefully like last weekend where there were a couple of good sales.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #780 on:** August 23, 2024, 21:30 »

$49.81 sales come in now just hours after posting the above to result in a pretty good week after all. Earnings are more than double that of Shutterstock this month, so far.

lappland_sun · « **Reply #781 on:** August 24, 2024, 03:19 »

Quote from: Pacesetter on August 23, 2024, 17:33

My week started out pretty well but slowed right down from Wednesday through Friday. See what the weekend brings (as it's Saturday morning here) hopefully like last weekend where there were a couple of good sales.

Do you have any weekend sales? I don't mean like this weekend but generally? For me it is Monday till Saturday morning and then nothing. If I sell anything between Saturday afternoon and Sunday evening then it is kind of not usual.

HalfFull · « **Reply #782 on:** August 24, 2024, 05:21 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 20, 2024, 10:16

Quote from: pires128 on August 16, 2024, 05:47
really slow week here. dropped from 3900 to 4700 pos

hope you guys doing better than i xD

And next week, you go up, someone else goes down.

A waste of time to watch or care about position. Bragging rights? That and the numbers are unreliable. People with the same downloads, have different position. People with the same position have different numbers of downloads.

What determines position, if it's not just downloads as we've been told is how the position is created?

Only if you don't want to improve.

I have a chart in my office that records best / worst weekly position for each month of current and prev year along with best ever for that month. This allows me to monitor performance swing when I submit new imagery.

Bragging rights don't come into it as this data can only really be used when comparing your own performance from year to year. Tag it alongside monthly earnings and it becomes a powerful tool for your business.

blvdone · « **Reply #783 on:** August 24, 2024, 07:17 »

Good week this week. # of downloads have been increasing in August.

cobalt · « **Reply #784 on:** August 24, 2024, 08:50 »

very good results blv and very consistent.

trying to upload more people but usually it is just 2-4 a day.

pos 3600

blvdone · « **Reply #785 on:** August 24, 2024, 09:48 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 24, 2024, 08:50

very good results blv and very consistent.

trying to upload more people but usually it is just 2-4 a day.

Thank you!!

cascoly · « **Reply #786 on:** August 24, 2024, 19:30 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on August 23, 2024, 10:21

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my results this month are already good,I'm at about 20% more sales numbers and 50% more earnings compared to August 2023 and the month isn't over yet.

I expect a good increase in sales any time now in order to reach my goal of at least 80% more earnings or sales numbers compared to 2023.

basics statistics - your Aug. numbers are not encouraging to reach your goal - what have been your jan-jul results to date? if you only achieved 50% in august you're falling behind.

of course, that's just wrt your 'goal' - a 50% increase over last year is otherwise a great result

Injustice for all · « **Reply #787 on:** August 25, 2024, 05:12 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 24, 2024, 19:30

Quote from: Injustice for all on August 23, 2024, 10:21
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my results this month are already good,I'm at about 20% more sales numbers and 50% more earnings compared to August 2023 and the month isn't over yet.

I expect a good increase in sales any time now in order to reach my goal of at least 80% more earnings or sales numbers compared to 2023.

basics statistics - your Aug. numbers are not encouraging to reach your goal - what have been your jan-jul results to date? if you only achieved 50% in august you're falling behind.

of course, that's just wrt your 'goal' - a 50% increase over last year is otherwise a great result

true,but August isn't over yet,in any case yes,I'm behind in reaching my goal of at least 80% more between one year and another.

at the end of August I will publish results of the four-months compared to 2023 and maybe even 8 months results.

yes,50% is a good result but it is not enough because in this way it takes too long before reaching at least a decent income,like I said if I was 30,a 50% more would have been great.

an extra 80% between one year and another is really the acceptable minimum,less than this,it really takes too long.

However,it is not certain,it all depends on whether what happened last year happens again,that is,in September last year I sold 400% more than my previous best month.

if the taps open at least once a year I can do it,but if the taps remain closed this year,it will be very difficult for me to do it.

We'll see,the only certain thing is that I'm quite tired of seeing these low sales numbers,and honestly this year I expected something more,not much more but definitely more than this.

however the year isn't over yet,we'll see!

cascoly · « **Reply #788 on:** August 25, 2024, 15:30 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on August 25, 2024, 05:12

Quote from: cascoly on August 24, 2024, 19:30
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basics statistics - your Aug. numbers are not encouraging to reach your goal - what have been your jan-jul results to date? if you only achieved 50% in august you're falling behind.

of course, that's just wrt your 'goal' - a 50% increase over last year is otherwise a great result

true,but August isn't over yet,in any case yes,I'm behind in reaching my goal of at least 80% more between one year and another.

yes,50% is a good result but it is not enough because in this way it takes too long before reaching at least a decent income,like I said if I was 30,a 50% more would have been great.

an extra 80% between one year and another is really the acceptable minimum,less than this,it really takes too long.

unfortunately what you want or need has no effect on reality of likely sales

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However,it is not certain,it all depends on whether what happened last year happens again,that is,in September last year I sold 400% more than my previous best month.

if the taps open at least once a year I can do it,but if the taps remain closed this year,it will be very difficult for me to do it.

We'll see, the only certain thing is that I'm quite tired of seeing these low sales numbers, and honestly this year I expected something more, not much more but definitely more than this.
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expecting & wishing rarely affect results - what is your % increase for Jan-Jul? if less than 80%, you can calculate how much greater your sales must be for the final months

again, basic statistics - called regression to the mean - a 400% increase for one month is highly unlikely to repeat. and you have to consider the base - as your sales increase it becomes harder to maintain the same increase

i havent seen any longtime contributor here reporting even a 20% increase for each of the last 5 years. i count myself lucky to have even flat sales for last 5 years (a net downward trend when cumulative US inflation is about 20% over that period)

cobalt · « **Reply #789 on:** August 26, 2024, 00:56 »

When I do my searches the content I see missing most is a systematic approach to people content.

There are endless duplicates smiling thumbs up people, but how many producers seriously dig into individual professions?

For instance for the huge and growing market of elder care - how many professions are involved, what kind of services do they provide, how many daily routine situations are there - from helping with food and drink, taking medication, changing dirty sheets and helping with hygiene, preparation of specialised food, removing the hard parts of bread so it is easier to chew, helping with night respirators, all kinds of exercises that can be done sitting down or in bed, going to the doctor together, food delivery services, family visits and families caring for older people at home, events at the elder care home, music, children performing and singing, relaxing pet visits...there are thousands of little stories that can be told. and then it all depends on the country, there are many local specialities.

you can take a list from health care providers what kind of individual services do they pay for in daily care for elderly people. then work your way through this list....

Or just do a systematic approach to food, instead of single images, tell an entire story of how that vegetable soup was made, including shopping the groceries, cooking together as a family, serving and eating...then do it again for a high end restaurant...then for a food blogger...then for street food festival...then for a large group of weightloss people...the same story of making vegetable soup can be told in so many different situtations...

Telling stories in a usable series is what the high end boutique agencies specialise in.

ai at the oment has the disadvantage that you cannot work with avatars for a consistent set of people, but you can still create a coherent series with styling and light design.

take your grandmothers cookbook and ideally grandma and just work systematically.

with real people you can do a full story, including videos.

etc...

your success in stock has nothing to do with reaching magic sales numbers, adobe is not interested in pushing individual artists, they only push content that customers like to buy.

and your increase in sales can be fully planned by producing content that people are looking for.

i still know quite a few older producers with rising sales. but all of them do very high quality people production and spend a large amount of time on research before they start producing.

they also mostly still do real people, because that is easiest way to get a consistent series.

doing proper research is probably the most underused quality needed for pro stock production.

shoot upload repeat and think...setting aside time for research is just as important as creating content

Injustice for all · « **Reply #790 on:** August 26, 2024, 05:23 »

Quote from: cascoly on August 25, 2024, 15:30

Quote from: Injustice for all on August 25, 2024, 05:12
Quote from: cascoly on August 24, 2024, 19:30
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basics statistics - your Aug. numbers are not encouraging to reach your goal - what have been your jan-jul results to date? if you only achieved 50% in august you're falling behind.

of course, that's just wrt your 'goal' - a 50% increase over last year is otherwise a great result

true,but August isn't over yet,in any case yes,I'm behind in reaching my goal of at least 80% more between one year and another.

yes,50% is a good result but it is not enough because in this way it takes too long before reaching at least a decent income,like I said if I was 30,a 50% more would have been great.

an extra 80% between one year and another is really the acceptable minimum,less than this,it really takes too long.
unfortunately what you want or need has no effect on reality of likely sales
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However,it is not certain,it all depends on whether what happened last year happens again,that is,in September last year I sold 400% more than my previous best month.

if the taps open at least once a year I can do it,but if the taps remain closed this year,it will be very difficult for me to do it.

We'll see, the only certain thing is that I'm quite tired of seeing these low sales numbers, and honestly this year I expected something more, not much more but definitely more than this.
..

expecting & wishing rarely affect results - what is your % increase for Jan-Jul? if less than 80%, you can calculate how much greater your sales must be for the final months

again, basic statistics - called regression to the mean - a 400% increase for one month is highly unlikely to repeat. and you have to consider the base - as your sales increase it becomes harder to maintain the same increase

i havent seen any longtime contributor here reporting even a 20% increase for each of the last 5 years. i count myself lucky to have even flat sales for last 5 years (a net downward trend when cumulative US inflation is about 20% over that period)

but of course,who could ever say otherwise.

as I have already said other times:"with a low income it is easier to obtain higher percentages"

in fact,once you reach a decent income,20% more between one year and another is an excellent result,even a minus 10% is a good result if you already earn well.

then at the beginning of September I will calculate the first 8 months to see what percentage I will have to reach,since there is only a week to go.

and yes,I am perfectly aware that having another month with 400% more by the end of this year will be very difficult,if not almost impossible.

according to my approximate calculation,it will still take 4 years before reaching a decent income,that is when I reach my 10 years as a contributor,but this is all just saying,because in reality it could take less or more.

anyway,anything is possible,I will continue to do my best with the conditions I am in now,and I will continue to hope for the best,because even if hope doesn't increase sales,hope is the fuel of life.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #791 on:** August 27, 2024, 04:47 »

Quote from: cobalt on August 26, 2024, 00:56

When I do my searches the content I see missing most is a systematic approach to people content.

There are endless duplicates smiling thumbs up people, but how many producers seriously dig into individual professions?

For instance for the huge and growing market of elder care - how many professions are involved, what kind of services do they provide, how many daily routine situations are there - from helping with food and drink, taking medication, changing dirty sheets and helping with hygiene, preparation of specialised food, removing the hard parts of bread so it is easier to chew, helping with night respirators, all kinds of exercises that can be done sitting down or in bed, going to the doctor together, food delivery services, family visits and families caring for older people at home, events at the elder care home, music, children performing and singing, relaxing pet visits...there are thousands of little stories that can be told. and then it all depends on the country, there are many local specialities.

you can take a list from health care providers what kind of individual services do they pay for in daily care for elderly people. then work your way through this list....

Or just do a systematic approach to food, instead of single images, tell an entire story of how that vegetable soup was made, including shopping the groceries, cooking together as a family, serving and eating...then do it again for a high end restaurant...then for a food blogger...then for street food festival...then for a large group of weightloss people...the same story of making vegetable soup can be told in so many different situtations...

Telling stories in a usable series is what the high end boutique agencies specialise in.

ai at the oment has the disadvantage that you cannot work with avatars for a consistent set of people, but you can still create a coherent series with styling and light design.

take your grandmothers cookbook and ideally grandma and just work systematically.

with real people you can do a full story, including videos.

etc...

your success in stock has nothing to do with reaching magic sales numbers, adobe is not interested in pushing individual artists, they only push content that customers like to buy.

and your increase in sales can be fully planned by producing content that people are looking for.

i still know quite a few older producers with rising sales. but all of them do very high quality people production and spend a large amount of time on research before they start producing.

they also mostly still do real people, because that is easiest way to get a consistent series.

doing proper research is probably the most underused quality needed for pro stock production.

shoot upload repeat and think...setting aside time for research is just as important as creating content

but I agree with what you say,of course it's important to do research,see what content is missing etc.

what you fail to see,in my opinion,is that there is more than all this,there is also a system that regulates sales,no magic or magic numbers but just math.

I'll ask you a question:

I have more content than you,so how is it possible that yesterday I didn't even make a sale in your opinion?A whole day without making a single sale why?How is it possible that until last week my portfolio met the needs of customers and yesterday not anymore?

until Sunday my portfolio was good and on Monday it became crap?

simply because I am close to my monthly target,dictated by the sales system,there is no other explanation.

over time,the sales system gives you more sales,and only over time is it possible to earn more.

how much more depends on the type of content you have in your portfolio,and keywording.

I remind you that my portfolio is full of content that has sold several times in a few hours after approval.

So tell me please,how is it possible in your opinion that a portfolio larger than yours in number doesn't make even one sale in a whole day?

cobalt · « **Reply #792 on:** August 27, 2024, 06:42 »

The answer is very simple, my content is much more generic than yours. And I spend 30% of my time on research. Sometimes even more. This means I can never upload as many files like you.

I have lots of objects on white, lots of very simple backgrounds and greeting cards, especially the stuff on white usually has something selling every single day.

Your content is very creative and well done, but this makes it a lot more specialised. You need a much larger portfolio or need to add more ultra generic content to balance that for higher sales volume. It also takes much longer to find buyers, because clients need the right project for it.

Your adavantage is that you have less competetion because ultra generic content gets copied first. So if you have a large port with 30k specialised files you will have much more steady results and sales.

There are people with over 20k files, slowly uploaded since the days of fotolia, that still have days without sales. And much less sales than me. In all cases it is people who literally never do research and just upload what they enjoy doing for themselves. That is a fine thing to do, but then not a way to make reliable money.

I also have days without sales, but usually on the week-end.

I sincerly doubt that uploading 1300 files over 10 years ago would have such a drastic effect.

There would be a lot more producers showing such a stark difference and I am not finding any.

Adobe has a huge legacy of older ports and many are starting to upload again with ai. If these old ports had some kind of magic boost, it would be easy to see in the various stock groups.

By comparisin our colleguea blv has a port that is similar to yours in size.

He is outselling both of us and is in the range of 800-1200 dollars a month that you are aiming for.

And it is easy to see why, he has really very very useful and diverse people port. With my buyer hat I would definetly bookmark him as a useful resource.

The man did his research well, he is supplying needed content that is also generic and can be used by many clients.

my sales are changing, summer is moving out, winter is moving in, volume is similar. Unfortunately I have very little for autumn.

pos 3500, 5900 files

eta

your files are specilized and very new. I wouldn't be surprised if 18 months from now your sales have doubled.

cobalt · « **Reply #793 on:** August 27, 2024, 07:54 »

This is the port of mirko who a few years ago was advertising his workshops by proving he made over 3k a month with less than 2k files only on shutterstock.

Today his income has certainly shifted, probably makes more on Adobe now, don't know if he has added ai files.

https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/ViewApart?consentChanged=true

But he was consistently outselling many people who had 10 times more files than him.

It is easy to see why, the stuff is great, literally every file can be a bestseller. And while he did a lot of people shootings he always just uploaded very few files from a shoot.

He also researches his subjects well.

Stock is all about the right content. You need some base volume put 2000 files can be enough if the yrae really useful files.

All the full time producers I know do people, with the exception of a few food photographers.

But I have never met a full time stocker who didn't spend an incredible amount of time on research.

Everybody has their own strategy, but for me research is key to everything.

Example:

At the moment I am researching Halloween. Last year I made around 50 dollars, this year is already a little better.

So I ask my self questions like this

- do I always have to have a carved pumpkin in the image?

- do zombie always have to be green? can't they be yellow, blue, red or multicolor?

- what kind of food do families prepare for a halloween party?

- what about restaurants? typical halloween dinner menu?

- what are country specific differences for bonfire nights, German Walpurgis night, other European countries versus the USA?

- do vampires outsell zombies?

- what sells better - horror zombie with blood and gore for adults or more children halloween with kids in costume? again country specific differences

- country specific decorations, different party traditions

- does it always have to be orange purple, what about red yellow black?

- does the wicked witch always have to be old, what about young and sexy? what about kids?

- do large groups of people really outsell infidivdual images?

- localized in a haunted house or on generic white background?

- objects and people isolated on white or png?

- modern halloween, vintage halloween, fantasy fairytale halloween, horror halloween, abstract halloween, romantic dating halloween, halloween for different ethnic groups, lgbt halloween

...and so on...

Halloween/Walpurgisnacht is a huge theme, even with 10k files you will not cover it all.

This year I am trying as many different types as possible and after November we will see what actually sold.

Biggest problem: I am already much too late, the content should have gone live in March.

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I do this for every genre, every holiday, every subject, even objects on white

Nobody is forced to do this.

You can just ask midjourney to give you scary zombies and upload them. The problem: you will be getting the same zombies as 20k other portfolios.

To stand out you need to do something a little different. And then see if it sells

I usually need 3-4 seasons to really understand a customer group for a specific holiday. So in 2028 I will have really useful content.

Until then I will keep trying.

cobalt · « **Reply #794 on:** August 27, 2024, 08:02 »

Here is the interview with Mirko from 2019

While his income streams will have changed I am sure he is still making crazy money with much smaller ports than most people

https://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/2019/03/19/interview-with-mirko-founder-of-microstock-academy/

eta

found his adobe port

no ai so far

It is a myth that you need 50k files for a full time income

You can do it with 5000 if the content is very high quality, well researched and truly needed.

But it is a lot of work. Maybe more work than uploading a high volume 50k port.

There are lost unhappy ai people with gigantic ports and few sales.

https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/203843400/mirko-vitali?load_type=author&prev_url=detail

absolutely fantastic work

Injustice for all · « **Reply #795 on:** August 27, 2024, 08:19 »

I have both generic and unique content in my portfolio.

I also have one content that on other agencies sold 5-30 times a day while on Adobe it only sold 13 times in more than 5 years.

I recently created a content that as soon as it was approved it sold 4 times in 48 hours on Adobe and then nothing more in 20 days now,content that is always useful all year round.

I repeat that in my opinion Adobe's sales system is the best because it allows you to grow over time,other agencies are more immediate in helping you achieve higher sales numbers in the short term,but do not guarantee stability over time,this is why I prefer Adobe's sales system.

Cobalt,what you say is right in my opinion,but that's not enough,it also takes time,and perhaps today it takes a little too much time,many years,I think at least 7-8 years,perhaps someone will be able to succeed in less time,but less than this I think it's difficult today.

thanks for the replies

cobalt · « **Reply #796 on:** August 27, 2024, 08:49 »

you will make it. The quality is very good.

At some point you will find a genre that just excels at Adobe and your port will be the best known in that genre.

Shuttershock · « **Reply #797 on:** August 28, 2024, 04:05 »

For me Shutterstock is steadily catching up with Adobe sales, I reckon Shutterstock sales will overtake Adobe by end of the year.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #798 on:** August 28, 2024, 04:57 »

Mirko has an awesome port.

I remember in my early days with microstock around early 2020, mirko posted earnings for one month - $2500!

I asked him if this was for all his ports combined and he told me just Shutterstock and that he actually earned around $4500 in total that month.

I hope he's still doing well as he's clearly put in a lot of work and investment with his shoots, models, props and concepts.

Shuttershock · « **Reply #799 on:** August 28, 2024, 05:25 »

Quote from: Pacesetter on August 28, 2024, 04:57

Mirko has an awesome port.

I remember in my early days with microstock around early 2020, mirko posted earnings for one month - $2500!

I asked him if this was for all his ports combined and he told me just Shutterstock and that he actually earned around $4500 in total that month.

I hope he's still doing well as he's clearly put in a lot of work and investment with his shoots, models, props and concepts.

I dont earn anywhere near that usually (only once when shutterstock purchased images from me - opps not meant to mention that) but i dont put any work in, photos of road signs gets me over $100 a month from shutterstock, keywording takes 5 mins max a week using microstockplus....if I want to do actual photography i'll get my film camera out - which earns me zero! :-)

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