Author Topic: What's your weekly ranking and how many images? (Read 135269 times)

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #850 on:** September 08, 2024, 13:23 »

Quote from: mike123 on September 07, 2024, 14:35

Just to hopefully debunk some of the theories I see here : I never offered free images and since 2020 I upload around 20 files per year and I'm still regularly below rank 4000 with less than 1k files.

Proof of the theory that if someone produces good content that buyers need, (and I mean you) they will get more sales, than people who just upload, because they think new is giving them some extra advantage, beyond the buyers who search for fresh content. The number of images may offer some advantage, but that's not an answer, it's just a minor plus.

I do agree that fresh content might get more views, just because it's new, but after that, the images must also be useful and what the buyer needs.

My position (because there is NO RANK), is fairly steady. I do offer free images, I do upload new, but I'd say, I don't add anything outstanding or in demand for current demands. No AI either. I do upload unusual subjects and I consider Plop and Shoot the best way to grab new material. Many of my better earning new photos, are just being in the right place and seeing something, and having a good camera.

Now someone needs to add that if you have 49 keywords, you'll get more sales, than people with only 24 keywords? Why? Oh yes, maybe, just maybe, someone might use one of those distant, or archaic terms, to find an image. But that's unlikely, because of logic. What words best describe an image or what someone is looking for? The best and most related words, not obscure words. Yet people keep believing some old theory or better named mythology, that more words = more sales.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #851 on:** September 08, 2024, 14:32 »

agree,more words are not more sales.

I hardly reach 49 words,but rather I do in-depth research on the topicI'm dealing with and try to find the most suitable words,usually it takes me about 2-3 hours to index 20 contents,I don't like automating these processes,
sometimes maybe I can even index 20 contents in 1 hour,of course it depends on what I'm doing.

this is certainly in my opinion one of the advantages of working with a single agency,have more time to do this and many other things.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #852 on:** September 08, 2024, 14:54 »

Quote from: cobalt on September 08, 2024, 08:50

@injustice

I have no doubts that in time sales grow because customers need time to finalize their projects. Many of my series only really start to sell regularly after 18 months, see example below.

But I doubt that the 1300 files I uploaded 11 years ago, followed by a gigantic break, gives me such an extreme advantage.

Especially if I compare my sales with people who have been uploading consistently, now have 20k files, but less sales than me.

They should all be outselling me, but they are not.

However in all the cases I have come across it is ports that are produce centric i.e. the producer is uploading their personal favorite files and not buyer centric, i.e. they have a targeted a buyer group, spend a lot of time on research try to to plug the niches or at lest have a systematic approach in growing their ports.

So...time spent on research beats time in having "anything" online.

And newbies can outsell a 20 year old port if they find the right customer group.

Here is a very simple photo, not ai, that only started to sell regularly now. Uploaded in Sept 22, it only had one sale in all of 23, now it has 18 downloads. Nothing special about it, also not seasonal. It just took time from being collected and lightboxed to being used.

I sincerely hope 2025 is much better than 24, although i doubt i will have over 100% month on month again.

in the end,from what I see,we don't have that much difference in point of view,about the time.

time helps you,but if you don't have the raw material no one can help you!

I don't know if I made myself clear:what matters most is what you can produce and the way it is indexed,we agree on this,but clearly you can't earn good money immediately,it takes time.

the type of content that can be produced and well done indexing,in my opinion beats the quantity.

but then there are different strategies,there is not just one way to cook an egg!

in the end what matters is working,in the best way possible,and in the end the results arrive in more or less time,it depends on many things,but everything can only begin in this way:believing in it.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #853 on:** September 08, 2024, 15:01 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 08, 2024, 14:32

agree,more words are not more sales.

I hardly reach 49 words,but rather I do in-depth research on the topicI'm dealing with and try to find the most suitable words,usually it takes me about 2-3 hours to index 20 contents,I don't like automating these processes,
sometimes maybe I can even index 20 contents in 1 hour,of course it depends on what I'm doing.

this is certainly in my opinion one of the advantages of working with a single agency,have more time to do this and many other things.

Another good point you are making. I'm guilty and lazy, so I go to SS, upload the file, copy the keywords I added first and the suggestions. Which means, I'm just a parrot using the same keywords and the words I typed into the search and the same words as everyone else, who probably copied from the same SS search. If I'm being realistic, how would I expect to stand out, when all I have is more of the same?

Then those words are in the metadata and the same words go to anyplace else.

But I still won't say that more words that people are unlikely to use, add anything. The Adobe version of that is the best answer. What words would you use to describe this image? and then, if you were searching for this image, what words would you use to find it? That simple.

We're also in agreement, that more isn't better, just because there are more. Quality keywords that are related and suitable, is the best way.

One more time, to explain myself, Cobalt is correct, new images do get a boost, pretty much everywhere. And there are buyers who search for recent. I also agree that most popular is not a good search choice, for a buyer who thinks, or wants the best image for their needs. Popular isn't relevant.

I can't describe images that aren't new as being invisible, or that if you don't upload new, week after week, that you are invisible. Just possible, a little less likely for your older images to be seen, by someone searching for newest. If someone uses a good search to search for the best matching images, that's the most important connection for a buyer or seller. The image rank is established in the first 30 days.

The new boost, making for page one or two, only lasts until a newer number of images, have been uploaded, to move ours to page three or lower. For a popular subject, that's days, for a niche, that could be months.

Position or "rank" as some call it, is meaningless, as only we can see that and Adobe ranks images, not artists, from what we have been told. Recent Best Sellers, shouldn't help or harm anyone. Both of these are meaningless, except for bragging rights.

"Recent top sellers are determined each week using the following process:

For each asset type we generate a list of 200 contributors who made the most sales in the previous week, only considering their uploads from the past six months. Then, we order the list based on each contributor’s uploads/sales ratio, and the top 10 contributors on this list are featured as “Recent top sellers”.

Contributors are eligible to be featured at most once every five weeks. This selection process is subject to change in the future."

Most sales in the last week, of the images from the past 182 days, upload to sale ratio. You won't see me there, and I won't either, because I don't look.

My sales are up on Adobe, because of the kind of images and what I add. I don't know if time matters or adding new images, or what I add. I only see that income is up, for mostly the same images with under 100 new each year.

Mifornia · « **Reply #854 on:** September 10, 2024, 11:39 »

Quote from: cobalt on September 07, 2024, 14:58

You are boosting the theory that anyone who started uploading 20 years ago has a forever advantage in the algos.

I have a doubt in this theory as well. Since I was in 800 position after only 4 months of uploading very few files. However, I do have a question, what does the lifetime position mean? I’m 12,000 something now. What’s yours? May be it does point to the length of being a contributor and adds to the formula somehow?

cobalt · « **Reply #855 on:** September 10, 2024, 12:13 »

My current lifetime rank is 9020, it jumped, just like my weekly rank, once I started uploading again after a 10 year break.

If you reached a weekly pos of 800 after 4 MONTHS!! of uploading, you are living proof that all it takes is uploading the right content for customers to determine success.

Current weekly rank 3570.

Hope I start to move up soon.

blvdone · « **Reply #856 on:** September 10, 2024, 13:58 »

Lifetime achievement award.
Lifetime ranking position.

cobalt · « **Reply #857 on:** September 11, 2024, 01:07 »

Well done blv, you certainly know what you are doing.

I am currently slipping down. Looks like autumn will not be good for me. But entirely my fault, didn't do enough for the season and not enough independent content. My people images are slow sellers, inspite of research. They probably need more time, most have just been online for less than 4 months.

Wilm · « **Reply #858 on:** September 11, 2024, 04:14 »

Quote from: Mifornia on September 10, 2024, 11:39

Quote from: cobalt on September 07, 2024, 14:58
You are boosting the theory that anyone who started uploading 20 years ago has a forever advantage in the algos.

I have a doubt in this theory as well. Since I was in 800 position after only 4 months of uploading very few files. However, I do have a question, what does the lifetime position mean? I’m 12,000 something now. What’s yours? May be it does point to the length of being a contributor and adds to the formula somehow?

Your lifetime position indicates that a good 12,000 contributors have achieved more downloads and/or revenue* in total than you since they started selling images on Adobe Stock / fotolia.

*In my opinion, it could be a mixture of both, as otherwise contributors with a pure video portfolio could not be compared with contributors with a pure image portfolio if this rank is based on downloads only.
But it could also be that one video download is equated e.g. with 10 image downloads so that the statistics are comparable.

My best lifetime position I ever had was 1,120 years ago and since then I've dropped to 2,880, losing 10 places every two or three weeks.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #859 on:** September 11, 2024, 05:01 »

Quote from: cobalt on September 10, 2024, 12:13

My current lifetime rank is 9020, it jumped, just like my weekly rank, once I started uploading again after a 10 year break.

If you reached a weekly pos of 800 after 4 MONTHS!! of uploading, you are living proof that all it takes is uploading the right content for customers to determine success.

Current weekly rank 3570.

Hope I start to move up soon.

I think I know why was in position 800 after only 4 months,but I prefer not to share this info.

what is important is that it is now in position 12,000.

as you can see,although is clearly a contributor who has the ability/possibility to produce content with high sales potential,is now still in position 12,000 and only with time perhaps will he be able to rise towards position 1,000 again.

so no,sorry,my theory still stands!

uploading the right content for customers to determine success,it's absolutely true,I agree 100% but it also takes time,and there's no doubt about that.

blvdone · « **Reply #860 on:** September 11, 2024, 08:05 »

Quote from: cobalt on September 11, 2024, 01:07

Well done blv, you certainly know what you are doing.

I am currently slipping down. Looks like autumn will not be good for me. But entirely my fault, didn't do enough for the season and not enough independent content. My people images are slow sellers, inspite of research. They probably need more time, most have just been online for less than 4 months.

Thank you!!
Before I started uploading AI images, my position was 1,670 or so. I moved up thanks to AI images I uploaded a year ago.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #861 on:** September 11, 2024, 18:20 »

I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

blvdone · « **Reply #862 on:** September 11, 2024, 19:37 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20

I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #863 on:** September 11, 2024, 23:43 »

Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

blvdone · « **Reply #864 on:** September 12, 2024, 05:46 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43

Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #865 on:** September 12, 2024, 05:57 »

Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 05:46

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43
Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

Yes. Most do.

blvdone · « **Reply #866 on:** September 12, 2024, 05:59 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 12, 2024, 05:57

Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 05:46
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43
Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

Yes. Most do.

blvdone · « **Reply #867 on:** September 12, 2024, 06:10 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 12, 2024, 05:57

Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 05:46
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43
Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

Yes. Most do.

Have you ever posted a screenshot of your stats here? If not, why do you expect anybody else to just give you all their numbers just because you asked? It doesn't make sense.

blvdone · « **Reply #868 on:** September 12, 2024, 06:13 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 12, 2024, 05:57

Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 05:46
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43
Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

Yes. Most do.

Come on, post your number like many of us do here. This is my week so far.

Faustvasea · « **Reply #869 on:** September 12, 2024, 07:08 »

Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 06:13

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 12, 2024, 05:57
Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 05:46
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43
Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

Yes. Most do.

Come on, post your number like many of us do here. This is my week so far.

Wow , congratulations on the numbers. Any tips for newbie ? I do only real photos at the moment.

blvdone · « **Reply #870 on:** September 12, 2024, 07:36 »

Quote from: Faustvasea on September 12, 2024, 07:08

Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 06:13
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 12, 2024, 05:57
Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 05:46
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43
Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

Yes. Most do.

Come on, post your number like many of us do here. This is my week so far.

Wow , congratulations on the numbers. Any tips for newbie ? I do only real photos at the moment.

AI photos are more effcient to mass produce in short amount of time. But it's already super-saturated. So, try to find theme with not many available images. If you go with saturated themes, your images probably won't be seen getting pushed back many pages down. So, find your own niche and don't try to imitate "bestsellers" too much. It can be a complete waste of time and disappointment.

wds · « **Reply #871 on:** September 12, 2024, 08:37 »

Yes, I wonder about the "sameness" of AI images...especially if using the same AI tool. I guess it's kind of like if everyone hired the same photographer to create stock images of typical subjects.... a lot of "similars" may result.

Faustvasea · « **Reply #872 on:** September 12, 2024, 08:59 »

Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 07:36

Quote from: Faustvasea on September 12, 2024, 07:08
Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 06:13
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 12, 2024, 05:57
Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 05:46
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43
Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

Yes. Most do.

Come on, post your number like many of us do here. This is my week so far.

Wow , congratulations on the numbers. Any tips for newbie ? I do only real photos at the moment.

AI photos are more effcient to mass produce in short amount of time. But it's already super-saturated. So, try to find theme with not many available images. If you go with saturated themes, your images probably won't be seen getting pushed back many pages down. So, find your own niche and don't try to imitate "bestsellers" too much. It can be a complete waste of time and disappointment.

Thanks, would you say focusing on real photos is a waste of time ? Or doing Ai at the moment is the best option?

blvdone · « **Reply #873 on:** September 12, 2024, 09:12 »

Quote from: Faustvasea on September 12, 2024, 08:59

Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 07:36
Quote from: Faustvasea on September 12, 2024, 07:08
Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 06:13
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 12, 2024, 05:57
Quote from: blvdone on September 12, 2024, 05:46
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 23:43
Quote from: blvdone on September 11, 2024, 19:37
Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 11, 2024, 18:20
I believe/am pretty sure your 'lifetime' rank is simply the # of downloads you've had. If you go 'down' - it means other people start selling more than you and change your rank. If you go up, then it means you've sold more (# downloads) relative to other people.

If blv has a "lifetime" ranking of 1540, I'd guess the #'s in front of that were either $100k or $200k, correct?

$5 million.

Are you serious? Or... just joking? (I 'spose it could be POSSIBLE to be $5 million, but don't know)... what is the 'real' #?

Do you really expect people will tell you how much money they make when asked?

Yes. Most do.

Come on, post your number like many of us do here. This is my week so far.

Wow , congratulations on the numbers. Any tips for newbie ? I do only real photos at the moment.

AI photos are more effcient to mass produce in short amount of time. But it's already super-saturated. So, try to find theme with not many available images. If you go with saturated themes, your images probably won't be seen getting pushed back many pages down. So, find your own niche and don't try to imitate "bestsellers" too much. It can be a complete waste of time and disappointment.

Thanks, would you say focusing on real photos is a waste of time ? Or doing Ai at the moment is the best option?

Do both.

HalfFull · « **Reply #874 on:** September 12, 2024, 10:08 »

Dipped a little today from 395 to 419. Lifetime at 481.

Stats are for 3.5 days.

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