pancakes

MicrostockGroup Sponsors


Author Topic: What's your weekly ranking and how many images?  (Read 135421 times)

0 Members and 6 Guests are viewing this topic.

« Reply #1525 on: February 28, 2025, 09:10 »
+2
Yes, I am very confident that I can return to something between 2-3k a month on average. I would love a steady 4k, but I cannot make that projection now, I can think about how to achieve that once I reach a reliable 2k.
...

Interesting analysis/thoughts... A couple things.

a) "orange man" stuff - lol - what is really going on (in world affairs) doesn't matter WHO is in - "they" are trying to bankrupt EVERYONE (and make one rich superclass, and one big poor class). So if you recognize that, you can plan accordingly. It's not BECAUSE "the orange man" is in office - (it would be EXACTLY same push if say 'biden' or equivalent was in office, just done a 'different way, i.e., w/attacking traditional families promoting gay/trans/les/etc stuff to try and make people so dysfunctional that they NEED handouts from the state/etc)... "Trade wars" are just trying to push the same nonsense a different way - i.e., still trying to make people dependent on "handouts from the state" because of "omfg! trade wars!"... BOTH sides (which are controlled by a small group of literal pyschopaths) are pushing the SAME agenda, just trying it different ways... and that is worldwide - not just usa, includes germany with 'mass immigration', canada with 'mass immigration, etc, etc) - so be aware of that.

b) If you pay taxes to 'keep your home', under threat of losing it if you 'don't pay taxes', you don't actually 'own' it - you rent it... no mater how small or big the amount. There are ways (so I've heard - I am not fully aware of how to do this at this time,  just because I haven't really looked in great detail - but am aware that apparently there are people that have done it) - of actually "owning" your home/your land WITHOUT paying "rent" in the form of taxes... since you have some free time, you might look into that. First requires changing your perception of 'taxes' - and realizing it is theft/theft of labor, not "obligatory", and that if you are paying it - you are RENTING your home and RENTING your land, you don't actually OWN it.

c) Your unique/portfolio diversification is an interesting idea. It does seem to be working for you - because your portfolio is smaller than others and yet seems to be outperforming them (at least in terms of downloads). So large portfolio does not necessarily equate with 'more sales'. Interesting strategy.

d) Part of what is going on with the "ai" is enabling the (literal) hordes of east indians/arabs/african/etc countries who don't necessarily have any real talent or skill, to basically steal from those who do in order to try and flood the market with competing assets. Now because for the most part they (in general) are so lazy, greedy, spammy, corrupt (and in many ways literally 'dumb' just because they've never really taken the time to become good at something), - it does make your job a bit easier if you recognize that. Which - in some ways it sounds that you have (because you recognize they are just super lazy and try and copy high performing assets, so by making mid-range assets you do seem to be effectively insulating yourself from that). So that is smart.

Perhaps recognize that is only likely to increase - and adjust your strategy accordingly.


« Reply #1526 on: February 28, 2025, 12:31 »
+1
There is no way in Germany to own any kind of property or land and not pay local taxes. It is not much though, around 30 euros a month or 300-400 a year. Municipality costs for garbage etc.. are a lot higher and a bigger problem.  Plus occasional repairs that we share as owners but can be quite high.

I have around 50sqm, the place is fully paid, no debts.

It is funny what you say about the "dark brown masses" of whatever part of the world you personally don't like.

Here in Europe we think that way about the white hillibilly americans that are part of a cult and happily do their masters bidding and long to live under a king or emperor. Unfortunately they also want gigantic wars with millions dead to fullfill their rapture religious fantasies...they are unbelievably uneducated, can barely read and write but always have an opinion...

The ai youtube spammers are the same people that bring you all the crypto scams and there are also lots of very clueless white people who think ai images is some magic money.

There is also one very simple reason that ai attracts many people from ultrapoor countries...50 dollars a month can be like 500 in the us midwest or 2000 here in Germany.

So the high volume but low income ports, make a lot of financial sense to that group of producers.

They are just as clueless as the mobile phone crowd that started doing stock 10 years ago.

Microstock are open platforms for total amateurs. But the talent can learn and rise, including the ai talent.

I am not worried about ai producers, like I am not worried about the mobile phone talent. Most will give up in 2 years and only a few that remain will actually be regular producers.

I hate having bestsellers copied, so I hope the new strategy of a long tail plus editorial will lower that problem.

But I am glad you liked my analysis, I am posting here because I know many people who have neglected their ports and are wondering if it is still worth getting in.

However everyones situation is different and what sold well 20 years ago will not sell in the same way today.



Adapt or die like in every business.

« Last Edit: February 28, 2025, 12:39 by cobalt »

« Reply #1527 on: February 28, 2025, 12:43 »
0
@pacesetter

yes the downfall of ss has left a big gap that other agencies cannot compensate for now. But that is not the fault of the producers and with the getty takeover there is some hope prices and sales volume can rise again.

But you still have a full time income as a basis and can gradually increase video production.

Perhaps try some new genres that are easy to do but haven't uploaded before. Little clips from daily life or once a week one dedicated little shoot in something new.

« Reply #1528 on: February 28, 2025, 14:04 »
0
There is no way in Germany to own any kind of property or land and not pay local taxes. It is not much though, around 30 euros a month or 300-400 a year. Municipality costs for garbage etc.. are a lot higher and a bigger problem.  Plus occasional repairs that we share as owners but can be quite high.

I have around 50sqm, the place is fully paid, no debts.

It is funny what you say about the "dark brown masses" of whatever part of the world you personally don't like.

Here in Europe we think that way about the white hillibilly americans that are part of a cult and happily do their masters bidding and long to live under a king or emperor. Unfortunately they also want gigantic wars with millions dead to fullfill their rapture religious fantasies...they are unbelievably uneducated, can barely read and write but always have an opinion...

The ai youtube spammers are the same people that bring you all the crypto scams and there are also lots of very clueless white people who think ai images is some magic money.n

There is also one very simple reason that ai attracts many people from ultrapoor countries...50 dollars a month can be like 500 in the us midwest or 2000 here in Germany.

So the high volume but low income ports, make a lot of financial sense to that group of producers.

They are just as clueless as the mobile phone crowd that started doing stock 10 years ago.

Microstock are open platforms for total amateurs. But the talent can learn and rise, including the ai talent.

I am not worried about ai producers, like I am not worried about the mobile phone talent. Most will give up in 2 years and only a few that remain will actually be regular producers.

I hate having bestsellers copied, so I hope the new strategy of a long tail plus editorial will lower that problem.

But I am glad you liked my analysis, I am posting here because I know many people who have neglected their ports and are wondering if it is still worth getting in.

However everyones situation is different and what sold well 20 years ago will not sell in the same way today.



Adapt or die like in every business.

1. Lol - it's not I don't "like" a certain group - it's simply stating a fact how different groups act, and what 'business ethics' they have (or don't have). (And lol, don't believe I've ever referred to them as the 'dark brown masses').

b) Re: what's really going on - each group (speaking of the 'general masses') depending on their country seems to have had their beliefs about other cultures/races/etc shaped by television, the "news", etc.

c) As for your perception of americans, interesting that is what would be filtered down to you, and assuming that is what is presented to German people through t.v./the news/etc. Have you ever lived in the the US for an extended period of time? The t.v. (in the usa) generally portrays the military as a noble cause (and I don't think many know or realize that unfortunately they are being 'used' by a small group of psychopaths to cause chaos in the world, get oil, get gold, control the drug trade/etc. (And interestingly enough, apparently this small groups congregates in the vatican in europe, as well as the ukraine. I think most soldiers (and not just the us, but canada, europe, etc) unfortunately don't see the bigger picture - and the way the military is structured - its designed to keep it that way. I think most people that join the military genuinely believe they are doing good (its only the people at the very top that really know what is going on). (Kind of like freemasonry as well that relies extensively on 'secrets'. Those @ the bottom believe they are genuinely doing good, and in some ways they are - but @ the top - they really know what is going on and are manipulating the masses generally speaking for other purposes).

Not sure if you are aware of this - but I'd say that in North America - through schooling - Germans (generally speaking) are portrayed as really bad "nahzees" through constant bombardment of movies, tell-a-vision, etc, that "hatejews" and "attack" them at every turn, etc, etc. (Even though apparently what really happened in the his-story (aka fiction) books for the most part consists of lies, misdirection, and even if there was an individual who acted a certain way - it doesn't mean their offspring, relatives, etc would be the same). I'd say very few people (unless they've looked into it further) know that a lot of Germans are very intelligent, very good engineers, and many of them (if they come to North America) are fearful of being associated what the t.v., the history books, the schooling, etc portrays them to be (which, pretty much consists of lies/manipulation/etc).  Many - if they move here - are so fearful of being associated with that - tend to 'overcompensate' and state their 'love' for the jewishpeople/how wonderful they are/etc, and how they would never to anything so heinous as portrayed in the (hi)story books, so they aren't visciously attacked (from how the t.v., the movies, and schooling portrays them as in general).

But the people pulling the strings like to try and keep people at odds.

d) I would agree with you that a lot of people (in general, not just north america) - are kept 'dumbed down'. Not sure what your definition of being able to 'barely read' is - but yes - schooling (in general) teaches children to 'read slowly' (as a control mechanism), through something called 'sub-vocalization'. (I.e., people generally 'hear' words when they read as opposed to 'visually' reading (aka speed reading), which severely limits their comprehension of topics, how much they can consume, and makes it difficult to learn new things). Apparently - the schooling (controlled in a big part by the Rockefeller family) is designed to keep the general masses able to follow simple instructions (i.e., "dont park here"), but not really able to see much farther than that.

I think that is partly why video is so popular. Yes, it 'looks nice' - but - you can only consume so much video at once, and the 'speed' is throttled. (I.e., one could read a complete 200 page book (60,000 words in a paperback) in 2-3 hours (with subvocalization), 30 minutes with speed reading, but to watch the same video (at a speaking rate of about 140 wpm) would take about 7-8 hours.

e) I  do agree with you that there are also 'clueless ai caucasian' people... but the "AI" has been introduced into those (what people tend to call '3rd world countries) in order to try and make a super poor class, by stealing from people (who tend to be white/caucasian) that did the work in the first place. (And interestingly enough, tends by the very super wealthy class - which tends to be 'jewish', just look @ the background of the ceo of midjourney, chatgpt, etc and who tends to fund the other 'ai' companies - and they in general use their vast financial resources to try and cast dispersion if anyone questions their tactics and/or states the obvious. I.e., through things like 'anti-hate' legislature, constant movies about WWII and the 'plight' they face, and constant tell-a-vision programming to make them (in general) appear as a poor, hard done by group that is 'just being picked on'. In general - if anyone says anything - the same television programming as trained many people to respond "omfg! anti-semite", etc - instead of actually doing some investigation for themselves to see if there is merit to the statement. It is a psychological manipulation tactic designed to 'short-circuit' peoples brains/thinking & reasoning capacity.

But bottomline - one of the things going on (esp with "ai", which is simply sophisticated theft) - is "they" (the ultra-rich class that likes to call themselves the 'plutocracy') - are trying to steal as much as they can and make everyone else into poor slaves.

2. a) Wow re: the 50 sqm. By north american standards, that is a very tiny house. (Do you have a family living there too? Or just yourself?)
b) While I haven't looked fully into how German property is structured - I've found in North America people are taught to believe the same thing (i.e., that they 'have' to pay 'property tax' 'or else!') - but requires a bit of digging to realize you don't. But the big fact is - if one pays property tax, and the threat is that if they don't, it will be 'seized' - then they don't actually 'own' the property - but are rather 'renting' the property. It may be a small rent - but it is still rent. And like rent - the landlord at any time could 'see fit' to raise the rent (aka 'taxes'), and if the tenant is not able to pay, use the 'legal system' to kick them out.

3. In terms of still getting in... I agree with you people would need to be smarter about it if they wanted to make some serious $$$... whether it is figuring out how to more intelligent increase production, or more intelligently meet client needs - it does require thinking, which can supercede the spam-all-you-can model employed by a lot of people in '3rd world' countries...
« Last Edit: February 28, 2025, 14:17 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #1529 on: February 28, 2025, 14:50 »
+3
There is no way in Germany to own any kind of property or land and not pay local taxes. It is not much though, around 30 euros a month or 300-400 a year. Municipality costs for garbage etc.. are a lot higher and a bigger problem.  Plus occasional repairs that we share as owners but can be quite high.

I have around 50sqm, the place is fully paid, no debts.

It is funny what you say about the "dark brown masses" of whatever part of the world you personally don't like.

Here in Europe we think that way about the white hillibilly americans that are part of a cult and happily do their masters bidding and long to live under a king or emperor. Unfortunately they also want gigantic wars with millions dead to fullfill their rapture religious fantasies...they are unbelievably uneducated, can barely read and write but always have an opinion...

The ai youtube spammers are the same people that bring you all the crypto scams and there are also lots of very clueless white people who think ai images is some magic money.n

There is also one very simple reason that ai attracts many people from ultrapoor countries...50 dollars a month can be like 500 in the us midwest or 2000 here in Germany.

So the high volume but low income ports, make a lot of financial sense to that group of producers.

They are just as clueless as the mobile phone crowd that started doing stock 10 years ago.

Microstock are open platforms for total amateurs. But the talent can learn and rise, including the ai talent.

I am not worried about ai producers, like I am not worried about the mobile phone talent. Most will give up in 2 years and only a few that remain will actually be regular producers.

I hate having bestsellers copied, so I hope the new strategy of a long tail plus editorial will lower that problem.

But I am glad you liked my analysis, I am posting here because I know many people who have neglected their ports and are wondering if it is still worth getting in.

However everyones situation is different and what sold well 20 years ago will not sell in the same way today.



Adapt or die like in every business.

1. Lol - it's not I don't "like" a certain group - it's simply stating a fact how different groups act, and what 'business ethics' they have (or don't have). (And lol, don't believe I've ever referred to them as the 'dark brown masses').

b) Re: what's really going on - each group (speaking of the 'general masses') depending on their country seems to have had their beliefs about other cultures/races/etc shaped by television, the "news", etc.

c) As for your perception of americans, interesting that is what would be filtered down to you, and assuming that is what is presented to German people through t.v./the news/etc. Have you ever lived in the the US for an extended period of time? The t.v. (in the usa) generally portrays the military as a noble cause (and I don't think many know or realize that unfortunately they are being 'used' by a small group of psychopaths to cause chaos in the world, get oil, get gold, control the drug trade/etc. (And interestingly enough, apparently this small groups congregates in the vatican in europe, as well as the ukraine. I think most soldiers (and not just the us, but canada, europe, etc) unfortunately don't see the bigger picture - and the way the military is structured - its designed to keep it that way. I think most people that join the military genuinely believe they are doing good (its only the people at the very top that really know what is going on). (Kind of like freemasonry as well that relies extensively on 'secrets'. Those @ the bottom believe they are genuinely doing good, and in some ways they are - but @ the top - they really know what is going on and are manipulating the masses generally speaking for other purposes).

Not sure if you are aware of this - but I'd say that in North America - through schooling - Germans (generally speaking) are portrayed as really bad "nahzees" through constant bombardment of movies, tell-a-vision, etc, that "hatejews" and "attack" them at every turn, etc, etc. (Even though apparently what really happened in the his-story (aka fiction) books for the most part consists of lies, misdirection, and even if there was an individual who acted a certain way - it doesn't mean their offspring, relatives, etc would be the same). I'd say very few people (unless they've looked into it further) know that a lot of Germans are very intelligent, very good engineers, and many of them (if they come to North America) are fearful of being associated what the t.v., the history books, the schooling, etc portrays them to be (which, pretty much consists of lies/manipulation/etc).  Many - if they move here - are so fearful of being associated with that - tend to 'overcompensate' and state their 'love' for the jewishpeople/how wonderful they are/etc, and how they would never to anything so heinous as portrayed in the (hi)story books, so they aren't visciously attacked (from how the t.v., the movies, and schooling portrays them as in general).

But the people pulling the strings like to try and keep people at odds.

d) I would agree with you that a lot of people (in general, not just north america) - are kept 'dumbed down'. Not sure what your definition of being able to 'barely read' is - but yes - schooling (in general) teaches children to 'read slowly' (as a control mechanism), through something called 'sub-vocalization'. (I.e., people generally 'hear' words when they read as opposed to 'visually' reading (aka speed reading), which severely limits their comprehension of topics, how much they can consume, and makes it difficult to learn new things). Apparently - the schooling (controlled in a big part by the Rockefeller family) is designed to keep the general masses able to follow simple instructions (i.e., "dont park here"), but not really able to see much farther than that.

I think that is partly why video is so popular. Yes, it 'looks nice' - but - you can only consume so much video at once, and the 'speed' is throttled. (I.e., one could read a complete 200 page book (60,000 words in a paperback) in 2-3 hours (with subvocalization), 30 minutes with speed reading, but to watch the same video (at a speaking rate of about 140 wpm) would take about 7-8 hours.

e) I  do agree with you that there are also 'clueless ai caucasian' people... but the "AI" has been introduced into those (what people tend to call '3rd world countries) in order to try and make a super poor class, by stealing from people (who tend to be white/caucasian) that did the work in the first place. (And interestingly enough, tends by the very super wealthy class - which tends to be 'jewish', just look @ the background of the ceo of midjourney, chatgpt, etc and who tends to fund the other 'ai' companies - and they in general use their vast financial resources to try and cast dispersion if anyone questions their tactics and/or states the obvious. I.e., through things like 'anti-hate' legislature, constant movies about WWII and the 'plight' they face, and constant tell-a-vision programming to make them (in general) appear as a poor, hard done by group that is 'just being picked on'. In general - if anyone says anything - the same television programming as trained many people to respond "omfg! anti-semite", etc - instead of actually doing some investigation for themselves to see if there is merit to the statement. It is a psychological manipulation tactic designed to 'short-circuit' peoples brains/thinking & reasoning capacity.

But bottomline - one of the things going on (esp with "ai", which is simply sophisticated theft) - is "they" (the ultra-rich class that likes to call themselves the 'plutocracy') - are trying to steal as much as they can and make everyone else into poor slaves.

2. a) Wow re: the 50 sqm. By north american standards, that is a very tiny house. (Do you have a family living there too? Or just yourself?)
b) While I haven't looked fully into how German property is structured - I've found in North America people are taught to believe the same thing (i.e., that they 'have' to pay 'property tax' 'or else!') - but requires a bit of digging to realize you don't. But the big fact is - if one pays property tax, and the threat is that if they don't, it will be 'seized' - then they don't actually 'own' the property - but are rather 'renting' the property. It may be a small rent - but it is still rent. And like rent - the landlord at any time could 'see fit' to raise the rent (aka 'taxes'), and if the tenant is not able to pay, use the 'legal system' to kick them out.

3. In terms of still getting in... I agree with you people would need to be smarter about it if they wanted to make some serious $$$... whether it is figuring out how to more intelligent increase production, or more intelligently meet client needs - it does require thinking, which can supercede the spam-all-you-can model employed by a lot of people in '3rd world' countries...

Please don't spam here. There are other threads on this forum, where all the ignored people talk to each other. They'll be happy to talk to you.

« Reply #1530 on: February 28, 2025, 17:55 »
+3
There is no way in Germany to own any kind of property or land and not pay local taxes. It is not much though, around 30 euros a month or 300-400 a year. Municipality costs for garbage etc.. are a lot higher and a bigger problem.  Plus occasional repairs that we share as owners but can be quite high.

I have around 50sqm, the place is fully paid, no debts.

It is funny what you say about the "dark brown masses" of whatever part of the world you personally don't like.

Here in Europe we think that way about the white hillibilly americans that are part of a cult and happily do their masters bidding and long to live under a king or emperor. Unfortunately they also want gigantic wars with millions dead to fullfill their rapture religious fantasies...they are unbelievably uneducated, can barely read and write but always have an opinion...

The ai youtube spammers are the same people that bring you all the crypto scams and there are also lots of very clueless white people who think ai images is some magic money.n

There is also one very simple reason that ai attracts many people from ultrapoor countries...50 dollars a month can be like 500 in the us midwest or 2000 here in Germany.

So the high volume but low income ports, make a lot of financial sense to that group of producers.

They are just as clueless as the mobile phone crowd that started doing stock 10 years ago.

Microstock are open platforms for total amateurs. But the talent can learn and rise, including the ai talent.

I am not worried about ai producers, like I am not worried about the mobile phone talent. Most will give up in 2 years and only a few that remain will actually be regular producers.

I hate having bestsellers copied, so I hope the new strategy of a long tail plus editorial will lower that problem.

But I am glad you liked my analysis, I am posting here because I know many people who have neglected their ports and are wondering if it is still worth getting in.

However everyones situation is different and what sold well 20 years ago will not sell in the same way today.



Adapt or die like in every business.
./...,  {nonsense deleted}
Please don't spam here. There are other threads on this forum, where all the ignored people talk to each other. They'll be happy to talk to you.


 

i agree - super constanty posts h is racist-conspiratorial idiocy across many threads - and needs to be called out on it

« Reply #1531 on: February 28, 2025, 20:07 »
+3

Even with a larger video port you will probably need to upload at least 500-600 good useful clips every month to reach a higher sustainable income.


Actually just re-reading this and note 500 clips a month? Who in their right mind would bother just to see an increase in income? At my highest I was uploading, on average over a 12 months period, 100 clips a month to each port. But that alone was increasing income very well and delivering over $1k a month in 2023 and 2024 - and one month in 2023 over $2k with a significant smaller port than now. If this is indeed the situation today where 500 fresh clips a month is needed then it proves how sick this market has become now. The exception is Adobe Stock but now the agency has gone rogue on contributors of non-ai, at least it has for me, everyone else might have a different experience. 

ETA just curious Cobalt, I made $895 in February 2025, my slowest month and first month under $1k since January 2024. This total combined includes iStock January 2025 as it is reported in the current month and a few dollars on Dreamstime. Did you do much better this month in February 2025, not just on Adobe Stock but all ports combined?   
« Last Edit: March 01, 2025, 01:51 by Pacesetter »

« Reply #1532 on: March 01, 2025, 04:12 »
+1
@pacesetter

I arrived at the 500 videos a month for pro income from reading around various groups and personal recommendation from someone doing lots of video, or stock in general full time.

If it is possible to significantly raise my income with just 100 clips a month?! Then I am doing something wrong and should quickly change my strategy!! I have a lot of unprocessed videos, but still putting images/Adobe first.

Thank you for sharing your experience.

These are the results for February from stockperformer. istock is still missing and bb, envato, eyeem are not part of the system. I expect to reach around 750 in total.

On just Adobe it was 686 dollars with now 7900 files. An increase of over 80% yoy. February was very weak last year so I tried to add more of what I think works for that month.

Overall an increase around 60% yoy

So...it will take a while but I am confident I can reach a solid income.

And like I explained most agencies are not "activated", even envato hasn't seen fresh content in a year.

eta

Summer is my slowest season, weakest time. I am trying very hard to increase evergreen content to combat that.

But will certainly pull forward processing videos!!!

« Last Edit: March 01, 2025, 04:23 by cobalt »

« Reply #1533 on: March 01, 2025, 04:40 »
+2


I arrived at the 500 videos a month for pro income from reading around various groups and personal recommendation from someone doing lots of video, or stock in general full time.

If it is possible to significantly raise my income with just 100 clips a month?! Then I am doing something wrong and should quickly change my strategy!! I have a lot of unprocessed videos, but still putting images/Adobe first.


I can definitely affirm that 2023 and prior years, you could very easily indeed see income increases with 100 videos uploaded each month. By that I mean 100 fresh video clips which (for the sake of clarification) uploaded to four agencies and all accepted, would be 400 video uploads in the month. Whether that is what those contributors on other groups intended to mean but from my experience, there were certain and significant income growth from uploading the number videos as above. Thanks for sharing your stats... it looks like steady and noticeable increased earnings there.   

« Reply #1534 on: March 01, 2025, 05:09 »
+1
I always mean original creations, that then get distributed to various agencies. If 100 fresh clips can increase income significantly, I should absolutely do much more.

The crash at SS and also at pond5 is not the fault of contributors or too many videos etc...there are still less than 60 million videos over all agencies combined. "The horde" of copycats is not yet coming for video.

I haven't really uploaded many videos because for me this means I also have to do a lot of active research.

My current videos are usually just some clips from daily life, usually food or editorial of events like German carnival, and also some travel clips.

That is not really a "strategy to success" the way I do it with images.

And for me videos also sell more slowly then photos, the first sale often takes more than 2 years.

So again, thank you for the inspiration to get going and process my videos.

eta

sorry for engaging the troll before. I have now added him to my ignore list.

eta2

rank improved a bit



« Last Edit: March 01, 2025, 05:40 by cobalt »

« Reply #1535 on: March 02, 2025, 08:41 »
+3
Actually just re-reading this and note 500 clips a month? Who in their right mind would bother just to see an increase in income? If this is indeed the situation today where 500 fresh clips a month is needed then it proves how sick this market has become now.

I agree with you.

If the norm is to make 500 videos a month, this is a sick business.

And in any case, they must be 500 good quality videos, they must be useful for customers and they must have different subjects. And you must do a bit of retouching and cropping, put good titles, descriptions and keywords.

I think a single producer can't create 500 videos a month following all these conditions.

I struggle to make 100 saleable, varied, and quality photos a month. Sure, taking 100 snapshots without retouching and uploading is very easy, but I think no one or almost no one will buy them from you.

I have known this business for many years, and unfortunately, it has changed a lot due to some factors:

- Increased competition
- Agencies pay lower percentages on earnings
- Open to all amateurs, with 90% of low-quality production, I would say "junk images" that are in huge quantity and limit visibility even to the best content.
- Free image archives (Unsplash, Pixabay, Pexels ...) and websites with unlimited downloads (Envato Elements)
- The arrival of AI and the possibility for customers to make their own content.

In 2010, in just two years, I had reached a level of earnings good for living in a European country at that time (>30000$), uploading 400 images per year of very high quality.

I maintained this production pace for 10 years, and my earnings were always constant. Some years I even uploaded less than 400 images.

From 2020 onwards, things started to change for the reasons mentioned above.

To continue this job, we need a break-even point.

This break-even point is the number of contents produced in a year that generates enough earnings to compensate for what the old contents lose every year. (I hope I explained myself and that the translation did a good job).

For many years, mine was 400 images.

For those with lower quality or less saleable images, it could have been 1000 or 2000 images a year.

Since spring 2024, I started uploading 100 photos a month, 1200 a year. I think that's my limit. I don't think I can do better in my niche while maintaining good quality. I don't think I can physically do better than that.

With the new contents I'm increasing my earnings by $30 every month. That's not bad. After 10 months and 1000 new photos, these last ones brought me 300$ in February. Unfortunately, the old ones (about 5,000 images) are losing more than 300$ a month, and this is making me realize that this business is becoming unsustainable.

Probably now my break-even point is even higher than 1200 images a year

I will see in a year how it goes, but the feeling is that it has become a game for amateurs, to buy some equipment every year and have some dinners. Or for contributors from poor countries.

It is no longer a place for professionals.

(Sorry for any errors in the automatic translation  ;))
« Last Edit: March 02, 2025, 09:34 by Bauman »

« Reply #1536 on: March 02, 2025, 13:51 »
0
I am sorry, but for people doing stock FULL TIME as their total day job, maybe even with assistants, it is absolutely not unusual to produce 500 files a month.

How else will they make the money? These are the people with professional ports over 100k files, maybe even more than 200k if they have been doing this for 20 years.

Doing stock as a side hustle to your main job is a completely different situation.

I find the information presented very impressive and interesting, but I have to admit it is the first time ever I hear someone saying that 30k a year was reliably reached for a long time by uploading only 400 files (or less) a year.

Maartje van Caspel is the only one I can think of that for a certain time on istock was one of the top 5 exclusive artists with only around 1000 ultrauseful files and probably had a reliable income of at least 6-10k a month. Perhaps at some time even more.

But she is unusually gifted and today no longer does stock.

Everyone else who has a revenue of over 10k a month, which is what you need to keep a business with a team going, they certainly upload a lot more than 400 files a year or 100 videos a month.

But whatever some people with apparently out of this world unusual talent was possible in the past...these days are gone forever and will never come back.

I do believe video has a lot more options, simply because there is very little video available. Even if you just do shots with a mobile phone, you can still carve out a niche for yourself and have very little competition.

Less than 60 million files versus over 1 Billion over all agencies combined.

 I will certainly try to process my videos much faster.

But to really make reliable money in video longterm I need to do a very thorough analysis of the video market, which takes time and lots of test shots. And at least two years of ciollecting lots of details.

I can do photos that will sell reasonably well (I think) for specific genres in my sleep. But also in photo there is still a lot to learn and subjects to explore I have never done before.

Same for illustrations, I can now do ai illustrations, but I still need to learn about the illustration market. I have learned that oil painting style is not very popular...

What I keep hearing about video is that drone shots are very lucrative.

But I don't think that this year I will have time to learn a new tool and new genre.

Eventually I will get there. I will find a video genre that works for me and brings reliable longterm money.

Thank you for all the insights, it is fascinating.



« Reply #1537 on: March 02, 2025, 17:26 »
0
I am sorry, but for people doing stock FULL TIME as their total day job, maybe even with assistants, it is absolutely not unusual to produce 500 files a month.

How else will they make the money? These are the people with professional ports over 100k files, maybe even more than 200k if they have been doing this for 20 years.


What I wrote is valid for my niche, travel and landscape photography.

Surely, taking lifestyle photos with people is much more productive; you can do many more.

Same thing for holiday or food photos.

For travel and landscape photography there are many more problems: it is expensive, you can't always control the light (it depends on the weather), you have to get up early in the morning and go late to dinner, and you often have to remove people, signs, and brands. Not all locations are photogenic and sellable. Some cities are saturated and do not sell anymore, too many images.

And then you can't do too many repetitions of the same location. A portfolio with 100 images of 10 different locations with very high quality photos, is better than a portfolio of 300 images of 5 locations and photos taken like a tourist ...

You should not only look at the number of photos produced, but also the quality which is very important.

However, as I wrote, for a few years this has not worked anymore. It takes a lot more photos than 5 years ago. And it becomes unsustainable, there is not enough time and it takes a lot of money to travel. I think very few people succeed in doing this.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2025, 17:31 by Bauman »

« Reply #1538 on: March 02, 2025, 19:05 »
0
And if it takes 500 good useful videos uploaded to each agency every month to see a sustainable increase in income then it will take 5000 good useful images uploaded to each agency every month to see a sustainable increase in income. It's even worse for images with more competition from ai, easy of copycats, much more saturation. So with that in mind, I'd say within the next year or two, you're going to need upwards of 10000 good useful images uploaded to each agency every month to see a sustainable increase in income. Keep rowing men!       

« Reply #1539 on: March 03, 2025, 03:44 »
0
And if it takes 500 good useful videos uploaded to each agency every month to see a sustainable increase in income then it will take 5000 good useful images uploaded to each agency every month to see a sustainable increase in income. It's even worse for images with more competition from ai, easy of copycats, much more saturation. So with that in mind, I'd say within the next year or two, you're going to need upwards of 10000 good useful images uploaded to each agency every month to see a sustainable increase in income. Keep rowing men!       

It is very likely that 5000 per month will be needed, especially AI images, since today their production rate is 10 times that of photographic images (look for Jo Ann's post) because they are infinitely easier to make and copy. No need to travel, look for models, set up photo sets.

Adobe's servers will explode ...  :o

I wrote the comment above because many contributors focus on how much they earn with new images, but they forget how much they lose every year with the old ones.

Usually the earnings of an image or video grow until the second year and then start to decrease.

It is essential to understand the shelf life of your content.

After almost 20 years of analyzing my statistics I can say that the second year is ALWAYS the best. 25% of the total earnings of a content is made in the second year, then a slow decline begins.

For example, in 2014 I created 370 images that have earned me about $42,000 so far, in 2015 (the second year) with these images I earned $10,800 (their best year), in 2024, after 10 years, $600 ... a constant decline every year.

Today, 400 images in the second year earn about $2,000 ... 5 times less than in 2014. And my retouching skills have improved significantly.

For my quality and variety of images, I would need 2,000 a year, 5 times as many as in 2014. But keeping up that pace with the same quality and variety today is impossible. I can certainly make 2,000 or 5,000 images a year as Cobalt says, but to achieve this goal I have to send less attractive and more repetitive photos and this negatively affects earnings.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2025, 03:48 by Bauman »

« Reply #1540 on: March 03, 2025, 03:59 »
0
My old camera images created in 2008-2012 have increasing sales on Adobe.

And for ai images being easier to produce, it all depends on what.

I struggle to upload 10 - 20 files a day, because so many details go wrong, which is why I am switching back to camera work or doing things in studio for many subjects.

There has been a huge influx of new producers because so many youtubers have been promising people instant easy money with ai.

That will gradually die down.

And the majority of content coming in are just duplicates of duplicates.

It is similar to the influx of mobile phone content creators a few years ago.

If you look at details, very little real, genuine fresh content is coming to microstock agencies.

So if you pick your niches well, you can continue to upload and make money.

If some producers decide, this is it and want to retire, by all means do that.

But it is simply not true that stock is dead and you can no longer make reliable and interesting money.

Which is why I am documenting my process here.



« Reply #1541 on: March 03, 2025, 04:43 »
0

And for ai images being easier to produce, it all depends on what.

I struggle to upload 10 - 20 files a day, because so many details go wrong, which is why I am switching back to camera work or doing things in studio for many subjects.


So you agree with me: quality is needed, not just quantity.  ;)

But many others take other paths.

Remember JustAnImage's post?

"In 2024 I started with 35,675 files and on 12/31/2024 there were 49,052 - of which about 3,000 photos, 2,500 videos (AI and real mixed), 9,000 AI images.
- in January 25 I had 322 DL so far
- in January 24 (on the same day) I had 480 DL"

50,000 images and videos, and he has fewer downloads than me, who have less than 6,000 images.

But quality takes time ...  ::)




« Reply #1542 on: March 03, 2025, 04:52 »
+1
My old camera images created in 2008-2012 have increasing sales on Adobe.

Because you are uploading images again (after years), clients are discovering your portfolio, and maybe the algorithm is bringing your content a little higher in search.

But if you have always uploaded consistently like me and have updated statistics of over 15 years of work, you will see that the earnings after the second year are a curve that slowly goes down ...

Some photos can go up, but it is an exception. The important thing to look at is the general trend.

Your 2024 images will have their "best earnings year" in 2025, and from 2026, they will start a slow and constant decline.

« Reply #1543 on: March 03, 2025, 05:13 »
+1
So if you pick your niches well, you can continue to upload and make money.

...

But it is simply not true that stock is dead and you can no longer make reliable and interesting money.

Which is why I am documenting my process here.


Making money yes, but not to do it as a full-time job.

It's great money to buy some equipment, take a trip, go out to dinner, buy a car ...

All very good things for an amateur who does it as a side hustle.

I'm talking about doing it as a professional like I did for over 15 years.

Yes, I also have other photography jobs (selling prints and licenses from my website and PODs, some commissioned work), but for 15 years stock was my primary source of income and the work activity I dedicated the most time to.

Stock is not dead, agencies are making higher revenues every year.

But for us contributors, the situation is different because of the reasons I already explained in my previous post (increased competition, lower compensation rates, competition from free sites ...)

I hope I'm wrong, but you've just started again and are building your earnings. Now it's increasing, but then the images of 2023 and 2024 will start to "age" and lose earnings. And the new ones will compensate for the loss of the old ones.

You will touch your earnings "ceiling", and going beyond will be difficult.

Your ceiling depends on how you manage quality and quantity. The better you are, the higher it will be. But growth is not infinite ... and that's the sad truth.

« Reply #1544 on: March 03, 2025, 07:07 »
0
I know many people who do stock as a full time job. With still increasing income. So yes, it is absolutely possible.

From what you are writing it sounds like you are absolutely refusing to move beyond what has worked for you in the past.

If you are doing stock full time, you can easily do something else instead of nature and landscape.

Do model released shootings, studio work, do localized food, most importantly -  do video.

If drone video is currently the best the way for serious video income, do that.

You are simply resisting any improvement to your sales. You cannot blame the industry if your income is not growing.

There are some factors nobody can influence like the crash at Shutterstock and pond5 because of agency incompetence.

So go and upload where the money is.

Do you have a getty house contract? A contract with stocksy? Or any of the other premium brands?

I know "the wall", I have hit it before in my previous stock life.

The way around that is to explore new genres and new agencies.

Start working with people, there is so much content missing. I would love to do more with people, but I am currently mostly housebound for family reasons.

Find yourself some acting students or happy retired people looking for some side income.

There is so much you can do.

People AND video is really empty, hardly anyone does great people video content.


« Reply #1545 on: March 03, 2025, 10:04 »
+1
I know many people who do stock as a full time job. With still increasing income. So yes, it is absolutely possible.

From what you are writing it sounds like you are absolutely refusing to move beyond what has worked for you in the past.

If you are doing stock full time, you can easily do something else instead of nature and landscape.


Show me someone who has been "doing microstock" for more than 8/10 years and has never lost any income.

Give me their business name and show me their earnings over time.

Maybe 5% is improving, but 95% is losing. If you analyze a trend you should not take 5%, but the majority.

I occasionally follow many who publish their earnings, and none of them have improved their condition in recent years.

Your vision is distorted for me because you started now, but you are still very far from my earnings and you still don't know how it will end.

I can still do stock full-time. My complaint is for the negative trend that this business is taking and for a job that is becoming a sort of slavery.

I don't do food, lifestyle or anything else because I don't like it and because my skills are in travel. My images are also used for other jobs parallel to stock (prints, premium content licenses ...).

Today if you don't specialize, you don't get very far ... those who do everything do nothing.

« Last Edit: March 03, 2025, 12:18 by Bauman »

« Reply #1546 on: March 04, 2025, 07:56 »
+1
I started out with AS in 2013. Still going and doing nicely. Last year seen a slight dip but, I didn't submit that much. Probably between 500 - 1000 files for the year. This year I will be doing a lot more so should see a return to the usual progression hopefully. I'm a FT contributor and have been since I started.


« Reply #1547 on: March 04, 2025, 08:31 »
+1
I started out with AS in 2013. Still going and doing nicely. Last year seen a slight dip but, I didn't submit that much. Probably between 500 - 1000 files for the year. This year I will be doing a lot more so should see a return to the usual progression hopefully. I'm a FT contributor and have been since I started.

Adobe Stock is the only one growing for me too, but it is not enough to compensate for the losses I have on all the others.

For example: with 123RF I earned $2900 in 2019 and in 2024 I made $124 ...  :-\

With Shutterstock I earn a third of my best years ... and (incredible) it is still my best agency.

Adobe's performance is not enough to cover all the other agencies in sharp decline

« Reply #1548 on: March 04, 2025, 08:42 »
+1
Fortunately I'm still up overall, but, the others are standing still or decreasing a bit. I cut off a few of them as I don't need to waste time with them. They represent 30mins earnings on AS.

In 10 years this income will just be a top up income for retirement. Although, I'm unlikjlely to stop altogether. But, I feel for people trying to make this a career today. I'd be concerned if I needed to stretch it to 15-20 years.

« Reply #1549 on: March 04, 2025, 08:52 »
+1

Adobe Stock is the only one growing for me too, but it is not enough to compensate for the losses I have on all the others.

Adobe's performance is not enough to cover all the other agencies in sharp decline

But according to what you write you also did not upload much to Adobe, so it is impossible for them to cover the losses on SS.

Like I said, the people I know with reliable growing income, they are reading here and can decide themselves to share data.

Most of them do a big mix and many have high quality people ports. Some do ai for adobe, most don't.

But nearly everyone also has a dedicated macrostock portfolio on stocksy, adobe prime or a getty house contract.

This year it looks like many have decided to do more video.

The drop on SS and p5 is truly something that a contributor could not anticipate or can affect.

But you can control what you do and certainly uploading more than 400 files a year if you want to seriously grow your income, should not be a problem for someone doing stock full time.

My friends have losses on SS, but many have made Adobe a priority in the last few years, because they could see the writing on the wall.

So they are doing well, but yes...more than 400 uploads needed.

I will keep documenting what I do, at least until I reach a reliable 1200-1500 a month. After that I will update in more private circles.

Again, I am not doing stock full time. Unfortunately.


 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
40 Replies
18329 Views
Last post October 21, 2015, 03:35
by pkphotos
2 Replies
3095 Views
Last post February 03, 2016, 11:39
by littleny
43 Replies
14103 Views
Last post March 02, 2017, 18:16
by noodle
6 Replies
4499 Views
Last post November 29, 2020, 09:46
by Pauws99
20 Replies
8345 Views
Last post December 31, 2020, 13:33
by Uncle Pete

Sponsors

Mega Bundle of 5,900+ Professional Lightroom Presets

Microstock Poll Results

Sponsors