Author Topic: Artificial Intelligence killing the whole industry (Read 63872 times)

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #250 on:** December 16, 2022, 15:50 »

Interesting, rather than a long quote, here's a link to the Creative Common CC-BY 4.0 license.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Quote from: cascoly on December 16, 2022, 13:02

completely false - CC license specifically says credit must be given to the creator among SEVERAL other restrictions

I think you have a point there? I don't use CC or offer them, so this is the first I've actually read anything about how this is allowed or not.

cascoly · « **Reply #251 on:** December 17, 2022, 14:04 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 16, 2022, 15:50

Interesting, rather than a long quote, here's a link to the Creative Common CC-BY 4.0 license.

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Quote from: cascoly on December 16, 2022, 13:02

completely false - CC license specifically says credit must be given to the creator among SEVERAL other restrictions

i've contributed several images when editing wiki, but it's a bit of a hassle

I think you have a point there? I don't use CC or offer them, so this is the first I've actually read anything about how this is allowed or not.

Reef · « **Reply #252 on:** December 18, 2022, 02:43 »

Hello, everyone, Haven't been here for a while and was curious how the stock market was going. Like most of you I have had my mind blown by AI apps like Midjourney which seems to be improving at an incredible pace. A few days ago I tried ChatGPT, and although it doesn't have live access to the web or can create imagery yet, it more than blew my mind on its potential. As a designer I can realistically see my work being completed by an AI tool in the near future. And, I have already used it to write some copy for a product within a brochure thus eliminating the girl's job in the office who usually does that for me. And to be blunt, AI did a far better job than she or I could. Interesting times ahead I think. So my 2 cents to this topic is it would be foolish not to acknowledge there will be significant changes as AI becomes more powerful. How well we adapt is really unknown!

DavidK · « **Reply #253 on:** December 18, 2022, 08:55 »

Quote from: Reef on December 18, 2022, 02:43

Hello, everyone, Haven't been here for a while and was curious how the stock market was going. Like most of you I have had my mind blown by AI apps like Midjourney which seems to be improving at an incredible pace. A few days ago I tried ChatGPT, and although it doesn't have live access to the web or can create imagery yet, it more than blew my mind on its potential. As a designer I can realistically see my work being completed by an AI tool in the near future. And, I have already used it to write some copy for a product within a brochure thus eliminating the girl's job in the office who usually does that for me. And to be blunt, AI did a far better job than she or I could. Interesting times ahead I think. So my 2 cents to this topic is it would be foolish not to acknowledge there will be significant changes as AI becomes more powerful. How well we adapt is really unknown!

“In a world filled with automated processes and grey machinery is there still a demand for contemporary ceramics? Absolutely! Should you purchase one of my ceramic pieces, know that the clay was dug, processed and hand-thrown on a pottery wheel by a human being.
Its hard work and so it should be. The reward to you, the consumer, is an object of beauty signed by its creator and something you may admire for a lifetime. And who knows? Your great-grandchildren might share your joy a hundred years from now!”

The link in your tagline takes me to this site. Is this yours? If it is then the level of hypocrisy here is truly mind numbing.

cascoly · « **Reply #254 on:** December 18, 2022, 20:10 »

i've been using chatGPT for several weeks now & it's amazing in some areas- i've found a few factual errors but overall it's incredible - i've used it get descriptions for my blog. sometimes i can use it directly, others it breaks writer's block w a great first draft. I'm also working with it to write stories.

it also does poetry & limericks (sort of)- few laureates will be displaced, but greeting card writers should be looking for other jobs!

Ngorongoro Crater, a place of wonder
A true masterpiece, created by thunder
A natural wonder, for all to see
A treasure of the earth, for you and me

Reef · « **Reply #255 on:** December 18, 2022, 20:41 »

Quote from: DavidK on December 18, 2022, 08:55

Quote from: Reef on December 18, 2022, 02:43
Hello, everyone, Haven't been here for a while and was curious how the stock market was going. Like most of you I have had my mind blown by AI apps like Midjourney which seems to be improving at an incredible pace. A few days ago I tried ChatGPT, and although it doesn't have live access to the web or can create imagery yet, it more than blew my mind on its potential. As a designer I can realistically see my work being completed by an AI tool in the near future. And, I have already used it to write some copy for a product within a brochure thus eliminating the girl's job in the office who usually does that for me. And to be blunt, AI did a far better job than she or I could. Interesting times ahead I think. So my 2 cents to this topic is it would be foolish not to acknowledge there will be significant changes as AI becomes more powerful. How well we adapt is really unknown!

“In a world filled with automated processes and grey machinery is there still a demand for contemporary ceramics? Absolutely! Should you purchase one of my ceramic pieces, know that the clay was dug, processed and hand-thrown on a pottery wheel by a human being.
Its hard work and so it should be. The reward to you, the consumer, is an object of beauty signed by its creator and something you may admire for a lifetime. And who knows? Your great-grandchildren might share your joy a hundred years from now!”

The link in your tagline takes me to this site. Is this yours? If it is then the level of hypocrisy here is truly mind numbing.

Yes, that's my website thou I haven't touched it in a long time - just building up something for retirement when I can focus better on ceramics. When I wrote that I wasn't even aware of AI technology apart from maybe seeing it in the movies. I do believe there will always be niche or specialised areas in any industry including stock. But, honestly, no one knows where this AI technology will go, so yes, even hand crafted ceramics could be automated using AI.

Reef · « **Reply #256 on:** December 18, 2022, 20:49 »

Quote from: cascoly on December 18, 2022, 20:10

i've been using chatGPT for several weeks now & it's amazing in some areas- i've found a few factual errors but overall it's incredible - i've used it get descriptions for my blog. sometimes i can use it directly, others it breaks writer's block w a great first draft. I'm also working with it to write stories.

it also does poetry & limericks (sort of)- few laureates will be displaced, but greeting card writers should be looking for other jobs!

Ngorongoro Crater, a place of wonder
A true masterpiece, created by thunder
A natural wonder, for all to see
A treasure of the earth, for you and me

Yes, agree, its not perfect. I've been trying to get it to write some abstract graphic code in Processing but its never quite right and currently it can't access the web so isn't using the latest version of the app. Early days!

DannyCanva · « **Reply #257 on:** December 18, 2022, 21:59 »

How would you like stock photography platforms to handle the uploading of AI-generated content?

Should there be a difference between completely-AI-generated content, and AI-assisted content in which there is substantial human work and editing involved?

If AI-generated content is allowed, should royalties and earnings of the AI-generated content be shared with human creators? If so, what share would be appropriate?

Stock4Me · « **Reply #258 on:** December 19, 2022, 10:33 »

Quote from: DannyCanva on December 18, 2022, 21:59

How would you like stock photography platforms to handle the uploading of AI-generated content?

Should there be a difference between completely-AI-generated content, and AI-assisted content in which there is substantial human work and editing involved?

If AI-generated content is allowed, should royalties and earnings of the AI-generated content be shared with human creators? If so, what share would be appropriate?

If I take a digital photo and edit in photoshop, that's my image. If I enter words and AI makes an image and I edit in illustrator, that's my image. Why should I share my earnings from either?

cascoly · « **Reply #259 on:** December 19, 2022, 13:42 »

Quote from: DannyCanva on December 18, 2022, 21:59

How would you like stock photography platforms to handle the uploading of AI-generated content?

Should there be a difference between completely-AI-generated content, and AI-assisted content in which there is substantial human work and editing involved?

If AI-generated content is allowed, should royalties and earnings of the AI-generated content be shared with human creators? If so, what share would be appropriate?

AI generation is a tool - just like the embedded AI in PS neural processing and others. So it should be treated exactly the same as any other submitted content

and how would you determine it's AI generated if the artist doesnt label it as such? I like AS approach which, for now, accepts it but requires it to be tagged appropriately

derby · « **Reply #260 on:** December 19, 2022, 16:46 »

Quote from: cascoly on December 19, 2022, 13:42

AI generation is a tool - just like the embedded AI in PS neural processing and others. So it should be treated exactly the same as any other submitted content

and how would you determine it's AI generated if the artist doesnt label it as such? I like AS approach which, for now, accepts it but requires it to be tagged appropriately

Totally agree. Adobe has the right approch, generative AI images are not "photography" of course but they can have a space with the appropriate tag and classification.
At the contrary, others told contributors that we can't submit AI content with no real reasons.
Legal issues will be solved. Probably these agencies are sure they could produce by themselves all the necessary images. In my opinion this is really short-sighted view, they will have trillions of similar images but never more really new ones, Let's see

derby · « **Reply #261 on:** December 19, 2022, 16:54 »

Quote from: DannyCanva on December 18, 2022, 21:59

Should there be a difference between completely-AI-generated content, and AI-assisted content in which there is substantial human work and editing involved?

Probably yes, there should be, but I can't see any way to do this... How could you ever see the difference? It's hard now, but I'm sure it will be impossible in very next future.

JDub12 · « **Reply #262 on:** December 19, 2022, 17:19 »

Quote from: DannyCanva on December 18, 2022, 21:59

How would you like stock photography platforms to handle the uploading of AI-generated content?

Should there be a difference between completely-AI-generated content, and AI-assisted content in which there is substantial human work and editing involved?

If AI-generated content is allowed, should royalties and earnings of the AI-generated content be shared with human creators? If so, what share would be appropriate?

Canva has issues with it's regular/human created contributor content. I don't see how the large number of exports listed on my dashboard (a few thousand a month) is fairly compensated for with the extremely low payments I received. I read about the royalty pool and such but this seems way unbalanced and there is no transparency. I have written to support about the issue but no one seems to be able to talk about contributor payment. I signed up to be able license and sell my work, not give it away in mass quantities to people who download it then resell it on Etsy.
Jdwfoto

cobalt · « **Reply #263 on:** December 19, 2022, 18:43 »

Quote from: DannyCanva on December 18, 2022, 21:59

How would you like stock photography platforms to handle the uploading of AI-generated content?

Should there be a difference between completely-AI-generated content, and AI-assisted content in which there is substantial human work and editing involved?

If AI-generated content is allowed, should royalties and earnings of the AI-generated content be shared with human creators? If so, what share would be appropriate?

The Ai is a tool like photoshop. Or even a digital camera instead of painting with oil. Why should there be any difference in royalties?

Creators might save time using an ai or they might be able to explore more diverse concepts on a subject. But in the end it is a tool, built by humans for humans.

It is not alien that came to planet earth and brought itself with its own art and ideas.

There is nothing inside an ai that humans didn't put there.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #264 on:** December 20, 2022, 02:33 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 19, 2022, 18:43

There is nothing inside an ai that humans didn't put there.

Only that humans put stuff in there that they did not create, that did not belong to them, where they did not compensate the artists who created it financially and where the artists who created it did not agree to have their stuff put in there.
They programmed their AI and had it crawl google including microstock databases (thus why the early versions tried to create microstock watermarks in the images).
AIs trained with our stolen art. I can't wrap my head around how there really is any microstck artist who doesn't see how wrong this is and goes with the "This is just another tool" narrative.
And it's not a "tool". A tool is an aid to help you acomplish your work. Here the AI doens't help you with your work, it does the work.

cobalt · « **Reply #265 on:** December 20, 2022, 03:22 »

Don‘t worry about all that.

The next generation of ais will all be very legally trained on OUR images.

Some agencies will ask for an opt in, others will just update their terms of service and tell you to pack up and leave if you don‘t like it.

Plus there is billions of visual content that no longer has any copyright, which includes some of the worlds greatest artwork.

In the same way ais will be trained in music, in writing, in software…

The legal part is probably the easiest to fix.

So you can decide to complain forever or change your job, or find an intelligent way to work with the new technology.

derby · « **Reply #266 on:** December 20, 2022, 03:44 »

Complain about new technologies is not a new story for sure.
If you have few minutes, this article about the relationship between paintings and photography in late 1800 is useful to understand how things will go relying the past:
https://www.thecollector.com/how-photography-transformed-art/

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #267 on:** December 20, 2022, 05:06 »

Any chance we could get more transparency on our existing Canva earnings first? I would love to know how my RPD has changed over the last year or so...

Doesn’t help with trust when Canva chose to hide our download numbers rather than address issues.

gameover · « **Reply #268 on:** December 20, 2022, 07:06 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 20, 2022, 03:22

Don‘t worry about all that.

The next generation of ais will all be very legally trained on OUR images.

Some agencies will ask for an opt in, others will just update their terms of service and tell you to pack up and leave if you don‘t like it.

Plus there is billions of visual content that no longer has any copyright, which includes some of the worlds greatest artwork.

In the same way ais will be trained in music, in writing, in software…

The legal part is probably the easiest to fix.

So you can decide to complain forever or change your job, or find an intelligent way to work with the new technology.

Hi Cobalt,
I liked very much your post and think you are right as you say that AI is a tool - but it's a disquietingly clever one.
Your words started a disturbing chain of thought that I made into a post ( https://luisafumi-digitalart.com/blog/2022/12/20/food-for-thought/).

Maybe it's just me, or maybe I've read too much Asimov...

cobalt · « **Reply #269 on:** December 20, 2022, 08:34 »

Hi gameover,

haven't we all read too much Asimov? Never thought I would see the science fiction of my childhood come to life, wether its tyrants and dictators that seem to use 1984 as a workbook or any other dystopian novel, including my favorite works by Philip K.Dick.

And didn't a space scientist just put out the disturbing theory, that the galaxy has very little intelligent life because at some point we all destroy ourselves through malevolent technology?

Overall I think people who work in art, often take their work too seriously. If you are a carpenter, you do not assume that every table you make should be an award winning conception. Software writers don't get prizes for endless sleepless nights.

Personally I think the ai is just showing us that what we glamorize as something extraordinary is a quite basic function of humans and biology in general.

And just like you can learn to understand how a cell works and then build software that emulates biochemical pathways, you can of course build software that mimics our creative process.

Creativity is a survival mechanism to handle problems.

So I am not worried about ai. As long as we have control of the electric plug...

@derby

love that article! Never really thought about how photography was the driver for abstract paintings. i just knew that it took more than 50 years to get photography accepted as an art form.

Will be interesting to see what happens with ai.

gameover · « **Reply #270 on:** December 20, 2022, 09:44 »

Quote from: cobalt on December 20, 2022, 08:34

As long as we have control of the electric plug...

Doctor Trivago · « **Reply #271 on:** December 20, 2022, 09:44 »

Quote from: MircoV on September 20, 2022, 13:47

I think it will never replace real photos. Especially editorial where reality and authenticity is needed.

That's what I think, real photos will never be replaced in a lot of areas. Even the AIs will need new photos to actualize their knowledge.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #272 on:** December 20, 2022, 16:47 »

Still,
I am (and I will not speak for the rest) a photographer. Not some guy who enters words in a software program and then creates an image with it.
A subtle difference as to "it's just a tool that helps you".

derby · « **Reply #273 on:** December 20, 2022, 17:03 »

Quote from: SVH on December 20, 2022, 16:47

Still,
I am (and I will not speak for the rest) a photographer. Not some guy who enters words in a software program and then creates an image with it.
A subtle difference as to "it's just a tool that helps you".

As a painter in 1890:
"Still,
I am (and I will not speak for the rest) a painter. Not some guy who push button in a mechanical machine and then creates an image with it.
A subtle difference as to "it's just a tool that helps you"
"

Sorry, nothing against you, I'm not trying to be sarcastic: just to remind that your exact words was used against the machine you're actually using, the camera

cascoly · « **Reply #274 on:** December 20, 2022, 17:17 »

Quote from: gameover on December 20, 2022, 07:06

I liked very much your post and think you are right as you say that AI is a tool - but it's a disquietingly clever one.
Your words started a disturbing chain of thought that I made into a post ....

Maybe it's just me, or maybe I've read too much Asimov...

check out https://www.cold-takes.com/ai-could-defeat-all-of-us-combined/

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