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Title: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on May 28, 2021, 09:43
As one contributor here mentioned, he got not to less sales on alamy via wirestock, too.
I had a sale of 3$ on shutterstock - one of my worst images I am not caring about LOL
Adobe: Mostly editorials without people sells not bad for me.
But until now no sales on dreamstime and pond5 (images).
Does anyone had sales on the last two agencies via wirestock?

And did anyone already got sales via extra channels (which is mostly Canva)?
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: cascoly on May 28, 2021, 17:52
had a few sales on DT, none on pond (but i only get a few sales from pond from myown uploads)
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: offisapup on May 29, 2021, 07:33
Have been with them for a year. Zero sales.

Some of them were sold as "Instant Pay" to freepik which was partly my fault because I didn't see the email which warned me they were going to sell them to free sites. But other than that, zero. Stopped uploading to them months ago.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Roscoe on May 29, 2021, 09:43
I had sales via Wirestock on all agencies, including Alamy and the smaller ones like Dreamstime, DepositPhoto's, 123RF (which isn't supported anymore, I guess due to images not being reviewed) and Pond5.

But, don't expect your content to perform better via Wirestock.
Sales on smaller agencies are as slow as they are on personal accounts. At least, that's my experience.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on May 29, 2021, 11:17
I had sales via Wirestock on all agencies, including Alamy and the smaller ones like Dreamstime, DepositPhoto's, 123RF (which isn't supported anymore, I guess due to images not being reviewed) and Pond5.

But, don't expect your content to perform better via Wirestock.
Sales on smaller agencies are as slow as they are on personal accounts. At least, that's my experience.

Yes, from my experience I could also not say that wirestock perform better than on my personal portfolios.
Wirestock told me that they put 123RF to the extra channels. Reason like you guessed.
I am also not really sure if all to dreamstime submitted images really are online there or not. Seems like most not. Seems like I got more approved via my personal portfolio. Why ever. That is why I am still confused, if it would be better to move my images from dreamstime to wirestock and submit to dreamstime there. My only reason to do it is the 100$ limit for payout.
Deposit - sorry I forgot in the first time -got nearly same sales on my personal or wirestock portfolio. and yes, via wirestock I got few pennies more.
Alamy: instead of getting 20% in the future, I will get 36% via wirestock, so a plus for me either.
Adobe: My name is not shown anymore. So my friends, who suspecting that Adobe makes differences between religions and regions, cannot see anymore, that I still feed the devil.
And on wirestock I still can follow my strategy for my better images: Best images only on alamy, good images after a month also on dreamstime 8maybe still Adobe, too. And my images I do not care about, I submit directly to all - including SS.


Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 01, 2021, 10:36
Reminder, just because WS accepts something, that doesn't mean the agencies have accept the image. DT seems to take everything, so back to the original question.

There's no reason to believe putting an image on WS will make a difference in sales over putting it up on your own, on the agency. An image is an image? I still upload to DT now and then and click everything else for DT on WS. My sales on WS for DT are higher than my old collection and my own uploads on DT. Proves nothing, but just an answer.

My sales on P5 on my own are zero for images, never one. Yet I have sales from WS listed as Pond 5. Again proof of nothing, but that's two agencies that I get better sales from the WS uploads, than I do from my own.  :o


Yes, from my experience I could also not say that wirestock perform better than on my personal portfolios. (same point, I'd agree)

...would be better to move my images from dreamstime to wirestock and submit to dreamstime there. My only reason to do it is the 100$ limit for payout. (A big reason?)

Alamy: instead of getting 20% in the future, I will get 36% via wirestock, so a plus for me either. (another plus)


I still submit directly to SS and Adobe, everything else, goes through WireStock now. After they take a 15% cut, I'm still making more than if I was getting base levels on my own.

Yes, There's no reason why the same images would preform better on WS than they do on their own. The only possibility I can think of, would be, if someone searches by contributor and used Wirestock images for the selection. I can't see any reason why anyone would do that?

I'm happy, I don't have accounts with most of the agencies, and when I reach $100 on DT, I'll switch over everything to WS and close my personal account. After that, I will have three working personal accounts. Alamy, SS and AS. I really don't want to find and upload 5,000 images from SS, and most are editorial. Alamy, many are already exclusive, same other reason, finding and uploading a large number. Adobe, I have some that are only on Adobe and there are limitations on what can be uploaded to WS for those other agencies. So that means for those, old images and special cases... Let It Ride!  ;D
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 01, 2021, 10:50
The hook for me is not having to wait a year or more to reach payout on the smaller sites or places like DT. Its all grouped together. I also got my first Alamy sales through WS and have never sold anything there previously as an individual.

Personally, my sales are way up now that WS is my only account and I have a third of my library with them. I've only had 7 sales to DT in the last few months (I did what Pete is doing and waited til I cashed out of DT). 7 sales would take me 6 months on my own. No sales with Pond 5, which is consistent for me.

On a side note, I made 50 x $4.25 yesterday via Instant Pay to Adobe Stock. All of them were images that have rarely or never sold. I'm quite happy about that.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 01, 2021, 11:09
The hook for me is not having to wait a year or more to reach payout on the smaller sites or places like DT. Its all grouped together. I also got my first Alamy sales through WS and have never sold anything there previously as an individual.

Personally, my sales are way up now that WS is my only account and I have a third of my library with them. I've only had 7 sales to DT in the last few months (I did what Pete is doing and waited til I cashed out of DT). 7 sales would take me 6 months on my own. No sales with Pond 5, which is consistent for me.

On a side note, I made 50 x $4.25 yesterday via Instant Pay to Adobe Stock. All of them were images that have rarely or never sold. I'm quite happy about that.

Interesting that Adobe bought that many. The only instant pay I saw for myself, was way back, and they don't show who took them? Some are $3.40 and some are $4.25. Maybe that's how I can determine who downloaded the image?

DT I'm at around $25 and looking forward to maybe 2024 when I can cash out and close the account. Just takes forever and I regret re-opening my account with them. I could leave and give up the $25 but I never give away anything if I can collect what I earned. I hope I live long enough to get that $100?  ::)

The conflict is, I still upload some to Adobe, and most of those are exclusive, which seem to do better. Maybe they get preferred listing placement in the search?
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 01, 2021, 11:19
It would not surprise me if WS got the same treatment as the image studios, they certainly have the volume and diversity. I also like that they will gain levels exponentially faster than I can at SS. And, I get less 10 cent subs and way more SOD's too. Not sure why, but I do.

Re: DT. I eventually decided to turn my balance into credits (sorry, I did cash out but then went back, stupidly) and I make potential book covers out of some images for when I start writing again.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Brasilnut on June 01, 2021, 12:26
Some nicely-priced sales came through (originating from AS) on last day of May...
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 01, 2021, 18:37
I would like to point out one other facet (for me) that might be useful to others, especially people new to the game. I have been at Wirestock only since the beginning of December. That means that all my images, from 2005 to a few years ago, have no history of sales anymore. They started from scratch just like any newbie. To go with that, I will say that WS has already eclipsed my SS earnings since the commission change before I left there, with only a third of the same portfolio.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on June 02, 2021, 06:58
Uncle Pete: ´Reminder, just because WS accepts something, that doesn't mean the agencies have accept the image. DT seems to take everything, so back to the original question.´

as I know from wirestock support: Dreamstime is NOT taking everything! The problem is, even if the image got signed as approved, it might be not (yet) online on dreamstime!

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Uncle Pete: ´and when I reach $100 on DT, I'll switch over everything to WS and close my personal account.´

It is not that easy! As I mentioned above, we have to find out first, which images really apperas online on dreamstime. It could be that moved images will never appear even if signed as approved/submitted.

Little more dteails:
I did a test:
On dreamstime NOW we cannot delete images that easy anymore! We only ca disable them. Then - dreamstime promised me! - we can upload them via wirestock again and get them online on dreamstime via wirestock. BUT after 1 month signed as approved on wirestock, these test images did not appear until now!
Wirestock indeed told me, they have big issues with dreamstime to get images online.
Yes, many I submitted are at lest online, but much more NOT! And wirestock told me, that´s unforutnally the reality now.

If you totally close your account, it might be much easier to upload them again via wirestock. But have in mind: If we upload on our personal account, we get MUCH more accepted - wirestock told me the same.

That´s why I am changed my way now: Instead of moving images from dreamstime to wirestock - starting with the oldest first and still upload new images directly to dreamstime, to get faster the 100$ limit payout. NOW I try to get as much as possible on my personal account. So, now I research which images via wirestock got online - I will keep them! All which not got online after 1 month submitted, I will wirestock ask to delete and I will upload on my personal account 1 month later. Maybe I do not have to wait 1 month. If accepted from dreamstime directly, similar images via wirestock will be rejected. But it is just better to ask wirestock to delete that not online images in case not get rejection of similar images.

Sounds like much work, but I have the time. LOL

Uncle Pete: ´100$ limit a big reason?´
Yes! Because: I do not take photos which might sell best, I shoot what I like to shoot. And I will not change that. So, of course my photos are not selling very good. I do not mind. Only if I just see a motif, which is easy to shoot and on demand, then I am doing it. And indeed these photos sells more. But even with this experiences I will never make a plan, shooting what might sell good. If I would do that, I would be much more frustrated, if even these photos don´t get that sales I expected.

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Uncle Pete: ´I'm happy, I don't have accounts with most of the agencies, and when I reach $100 on DT, I'll switch over everything to WS and close my personal account. After that, I will have three working personal accounts. Alamy, SS and AS. I really don't want to find and upload 5,000 images from SS, and most are editorial. Alamy, many are already exclusive, same other reason, finding and uploading a large number. Adobe, I have some that are only on Adobe and there are limitations on what can be uploaded to WS for those other agencies. So that means for those, old images and special cases... Let It Ride!  ;D´

Because my accounts are/were still small, it was easier for me to move my images to wirestock:
SS: I reduced my images from more than 600 to less 200 - kept the worst images there and the bad images which sells directly in June last year.
Now - because of that low sales, I do not care on the last images either and moved them also to wirestock and do not care about the little money which were waiting to payout, if I reach the payout in some years, because only 10 Cent anyway each sale.

Adobe: No sale at all yet on Adobe. Just when I already started to move them to wirestock, I got ONE sale for 23 Cent.
AND: the new strategy from Adobe, I really do not want to support with my name.
and because already a long time I just click on Adobe via wirestock instead of uploading myself, so the portfolio was small and the move was done in an hour or so. - And not like dreamstime: On adobe the deleted photos were directly accepted again via wirestock - totally no problem. All on the same day!

Alamy: On 1th July I will be able to submit the photos from my personal account via wirestock. I even had big issues with Alamy, because so many smartphone photos got accepted on my personal account, that it took a long time until I found out, that they should not be accpeted. As follows: I got blocked from uploads for a while. That time I upload the same photos via wirestock and all got accpeted. So, just easier: Not thinking about camera and other things. That easy!

Depositphotos: Wow! So fast! After 2 hours I got already the email and they already deleted all my 1000 more images there. so, in another 30 minutes I just clicked on submit to depositphotos on wirestock and the work was done. 28 Cent instead of 22 is even better.

Pond5: Only because I am exclusive with my footage, I upload all images personally to pond5.

123RF: I followed the advice from wirestock: Do not move them to wirestock, because 123RF are NOW searching for special images. But 123RF unilt now still did not tell wirestock, which kind of images they are looking for.
So, I keep my account on 123RF, even very low sales, but why not? If even upload to some personal accounts, why not upload the bad images to 123RF either in one time?

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On a side note, I made 50 x $4.25 yesterday via Instant Pay to Adobe Stock. All of them were images that have rarely or never sold. I'm quite happy about that.

For Instant Pay, you have to delete these images on all agencies, right?
I ask, because NOW I got an idea of which photos I do not care anymore and would take an Instant Pay. The only problem I see is, if delete everywhere first, then mark as Instant Pay, does not garanty, that wirestock will sell them all as Instant pay. But even then: We are talking about images which never sold and might never sell in the future.
Any suggestions? Editorial images could be also good for Instant Pay, or better only commercial photos?
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I would like to point out one other facet (for me) that might be useful to others, especially people new to the game. I have been at Wirestock only since the beginning of December. That means that all my images, from 2005 to a few years ago, have no history of sales anymore. They started from scratch just like any newbie. To go with that, I will say that WS has already eclipsed my SS earnings since the commission change before I left there, with only a third of the same portfolio.

As I mentioned many time here: Delete and upload again and with that giving them a new life and new chance to get better ranking and sales. Combined with moving images from personal accounts to wirestock, could tell us, if we are right. Because I just did that with some agencies: Lets see, if it works for some images. maybe an suddenly increasing sales on wirestock in the next weeks? Would be nice! If so, I will let you know.

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Sorry for that long explainings, but it might be that some getting ideas from it. I would never say, do it like me! But it COULD be just an idea.



Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 02, 2021, 09:37
As far as Instant Pay goes, here is the way I understand it and others can correct me if I get something wrong. After an image is approximately 4 months old with Wirestock, they may assess it for its selling potential. If it is unlikely to sell and you've agreed to include it in the program, they may include it in their Instant Pay (IP) program. As far as I understand it, it does not need to be exclusive to IP. All Wirestock requires is that you are not selling the same image on the same agency if they are doing it on your behalf.

For Dreamstime, have they changed the TOS? I thought it was 6 months before you can remove an image. I know if you ask to have something deleted at WS, it does take 6 months as per their TOS. I deleted my first account with WS and that was what was said.

One of the things I like about WS is I no longer have to care about individual agencies anymore. I don't care if some are rejected at DT, or accepted at SS, or wherever. I just get my totals every day/week/month and smile. Less stress for me.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on June 02, 2021, 12:43
#All Wirestock requires is that you are not selling the same image on the same agency if they are doing it on your behalf.#

If that is true, then it is much easier than I guessed. That means, if for example Adobe is the one who buys the images and we only submit to Adobe via wirestock, we never will get problems.

But what I understood was indeed: no other paying agency possible - for example iStock. And yes, that time wirestock said: They will delete the images on all agencies via wirestock theirselves. But the other agencies outside of wirestock, we should delete the images.

Hopefully YOU remember right.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on June 02, 2021, 12:46
dreamstime:

Yes, after 6 month, images turn down to Level O. These images we can delete without problems. Or NOW: only disable! After 12 month these disabled images will be deleted and taken out of their system.
Images younger than 6 month with minimum Level 1, are more difficult to delete, but possible: As I read from others: You cannot delete to many, there is a limit, but I never read, what this limit exactly is.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 02, 2021, 13:08
dreamstime:

Yes, after 6 month, images turn down to Level O. These images we can delete without problems. Or NOW: only disable! After 12 month these disabled images will be deleted and taken out of their system.
Images younger than 6 month with minimum Level 1, are more difficult to delete, but possible: As I read from others: You cannot delete to many, there is a limit, but I never read, what this limit exactly is.

No offense, but that sounds like some rather important info you might want to check out before making firm plans. I've found many opinions on the forums might have incorrect info (my own included). Just my 2 cents...
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 02, 2021, 13:35
#All Wirestock requires is that you are not selling the same image on the same agency if they are doing it on your behalf.#

If that is true, then it is much easier than I guessed. That means, if for example Adobe is the one who buys the images and we only submit to Adobe via wirestock, we never will get problems.

But what I understood was indeed: no other paying agency possible - for example iStock. And yes, that time wirestock said: They will delete the images on all agencies via wirestock theirselves. But the other agencies outside of wirestock, we should delete the images.

Hopefully YOU remember right.

Maybe. Sounds like something I would not trust to a forum opinion, and get from Wirestock themselves. That is also why I express opinions and qualify what I say with "as far as I know".

https://wirestock.io/faq

Seems pretty clear to me.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: cascoly on June 02, 2021, 17:00
Sales have been slow on WS,  but just a small portfolio & only on for last 4-5 months.  i'm only sending new images and only when  it's easier to use WS (adding meta data is my logjam - thousands of images waiting.)
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Roscoe on June 03, 2021, 01:47
dreamstime:

Yes, after 6 month, images turn down to Level O. These images we can delete without problems. Or NOW: only disable! After 12 month these disabled images will be deleted and taken out of their system.
Images younger than 6 month with minimum Level 1, are more difficult to delete, but possible: As I read from others: You cannot delete to many, there is a limit, but I never read, what this limit exactly is.

No offense, but that sounds like some rather important info you might want to check out before making firm plans. I've found many opinions on the forums might have incorrect info (my own included). Just my 2 cents...

Rather important indeed. Maybe I missed it, but I can't recall reading instructions from Wirestock to delete content on non-wirestock submitted agencies after an instant pay license. I didn't do that for the images I sold via instant pay, so they are still out there (and not selling, hence the instant pay strategy at Wirestock for some of my content).

All I know is that submitting to wirestock is non-exclusive, except the Adobe exclusive program.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on June 03, 2021, 09:24
dreamstime:

Yes, after 6 month, images turn down to Level O. These images we can delete without problems. Or NOW: only disable! After 12 month these disabled images will be deleted and taken out of their system.
Images younger than 6 month with minimum Level 1, are more difficult to delete, but possible: As I read from others: You cannot delete to many, there is a limit, but I never read, what this limit exactly is.

No offense, but that sounds like some rather important info you might want to check out before making firm plans. I've found many opinions on the forums might have incorrect info (my own included). Just my 2 cents...

Rather important indeed. Maybe I missed it, but I can't recall reading instructions from Wirestock to delete content on non-wirestock submitted agencies after an instant pay license. I didn't do that for the images I sold via instant pay, so they are still out there (and not selling, hence the instant pay strategy at Wirestock for some of my content).

All I know is that submitting to wirestock is non-exclusive, except the Adobe exclusive program.

And you were right! as wirestock answered me today very clear:

Thanks for the questions. With our Instant Pay Program you receive a one-time advance payment of $4-5/image (minus Wirestock commission) from each agency that selects your images. The selected images may be listed for free download on the agencies that select them, and you will no longer be able to remove the images from those agencies after you have received the advance payment. However, nothing will change in regards to the other agencies you have submitted to before, you will still continue licensing your images through existing agencies as well as there will not be any issue with iStock. The time frame is 3-4 months.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Roscoe on June 03, 2021, 11:09
And you were right! as wirestock answered me today very clear:

Thanks for the questions. With our Instant Pay Program you receive a one-time advance payment of $4-5/image (minus Wirestock commission) from each agency that selects your images. The selected images may be listed for free download on the agencies that select them, and you will no longer be able to remove the images from those agencies after you have received the advance payment. However, nothing will change in regards to the other agencies you have submitted to before, you will still continue licensing your images through existing agencies as well as there will not be any issue with iStock. The time frame is 3-4 months.

Clear! Thanks for sharing this!
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Josephine on June 04, 2021, 02:25
What about using a different name and upload slightly changed images to Wirestock? Is this an option?
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 04, 2021, 09:42
What about using a different name and upload slightly changed images to Wirestock? Is this an option?

Only for people who want to cheat instead of following the TOS? I suppose, if you don't mind that WS will catch you and close your account?

#All Wirestock requires is that you are not selling the same image on the same agency if they are doing it on your behalf.#

If that is true, then it is much easier than I guessed. That means, if for example Adobe is the one who buys the images and we only submit to Adobe via wirestock, we never will get problems.

But what I understood was indeed: no other paying agency possible - for example iStock. And yes, that time wirestock said: They will delete the images on all agencies via wirestock theirselves. But the other agencies outside of wirestock, we should delete the images.

Hopefully YOU remember right.

Yes I see your other answer, there was never a question of anything Instant Pay, suddenly becoming Exclusive. Not a hint! That would make no sense at all.

Also just for the record:

"We are happy to inform you that your portfolio has been selected for the Instant Pay Program.

You have #### photos that have been listed for more than 4 months and have not generated any earnings. We would like to improve this and include these photos in our Instant Pay Program. The program allows contributors to receive advance payments from our new partners - Freepik, as well as other Instant Pay partner marketplaces. "

Other being Adobe for now. I added the bold, which was a question. Four months no earnings, makes them eligible for Instant Pay. Also new images after the first inclusion, might be reviewed by the Instant Pay companies. there's no promise that everything is automatic and instant when an image hits four months.

My last two Instant Pays which are from Adobe, are files that have been on WS from the day I opened my account. So apparently Adobe was just looking at those older images, this month. We don't have any way to know who's looking or when, except that the image must have no sales in the previous four months, before it's active in Instant Pay.

Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 04, 2021, 10:08
What about using a different name and upload slightly changed images to Wirestock? Is this an option?

It's this kind of attitude and complete lack of professionalism that has ruined the industry. All this does is scream out a complete desperation on your behalf and complete lack of regard toward hard working professionals. Your true character is showing and it's not pretty.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Josephine on June 04, 2021, 10:44
Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on June 04, 2021, 11:46
Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.

Which agencies are left and did not change anything exciting even in the last 12 month?
We have to be flexible all time.
So, if wirestock changes something which is worse than the agencies themselves, we have to move the images again.
But for me personally: If that happens: depending on what, then I might quit totally from the stockphoto business.
Look: Who had Adobe and Alamy on its plan? Me either! Really shocking what these agencies are doing!
How could a contributor even trust ANY agency now? Do we still trust the agencies, who are still fair until now to us? Come on! For sure we are all more suspecting bad things even from them, right? And that not because of these left fair agencies, but because of the bad agencies who s....t in the soup and destroyed all trustness in this business!
If the time comes and no fair agency left, then I might submit all images to instant pay on wirestock. And the good images I sell only on POD sites or do not sell at all.
They can get my s...t as they take any s....t. But my diamonds: Sorry, you can try as often you like, you will never get and not for any offer.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 04, 2021, 11:49
Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.

Do not be confused by the roulette wheel of similar on SS with what an actual similar image is. Similar means exactly that, similar. Sort of like you are either pregnant or your are not pregnant, you can't be sort of pregnant.

You can find any narrative you want to justify desperately attempting to get as many images online as you can and you seem to be doing just that.

You take 5-6 shots from roughly the same angle and narrow it down to 1-2 or even just 1.

Maybe this will help you understand what similar means...  https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/similar (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/similar)


Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: cascoly on June 04, 2021, 17:12
Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.

WS does reject images if there are similars found on other sites
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 04, 2021, 17:21
WS does reject images if there are similars found on other sites

Its refreshing being with them since they have actual human beings doing a lot of the work instead of what we see more and more at the bigger agencies. I was shocked to get a PM from one of the owners when I had questions about my stats showing properly. I think they are trying very hard to be the kind of agency we used to look for, and most of us have given up on finding.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Josephine on June 05, 2021, 04:56
Selling images to a number of agencies I share the risk. Selling to Wirestock only, I may run into problems, when the good guys turn into bad guys like SS and recently AdobeStock. Wirestock follows the money like everybody else.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Brasilnut on June 05, 2021, 05:13
Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.

I'm in close contact with their management and they do listen to the community. They have a slack group and their management do respond to suggestions directly, ask for advice, etc. This just doesn't happen at SS, for instance. Wirestock are building up a great community and if other contributors do well then everybody does well if you think about SS's now silly tiered system.

As for whether they'll disappear, it depends on the agencies that they support...whether they will disappear! About a year ago iStock opted out but they're turds anyway with their controlled vocabulary nonsense.

They now accept clips, which is a positive step forward.

I'm going all in on them and sending all my commercial images (with editorials going to Alamy).

Wirestock did have issues with keywording a while back but have improved considerably. Still some ways to go but they'll get there. By the way, they're hiring remote keyworders:

https://jobup.am/jobs/wirestock-15/hiring-keyword-specialist-1223?fbclid=IwAR2E5VSV1nQY8uZtBrRwC3yFUKVBug7bzEEqOgcw56sULyHjgxcAjF05FNw
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 05, 2021, 10:08
I noticed the keywording improving quite a lot too.

I think the hard part is that we are so used to agencies hurting us that when one doesn't, we are disbelieving. Will WS change going forward? Absolutely they will. I bet SS will make changes if WS's placements hurt their tiers and sales, as will any other agency. Will those be good changes or bad? Time will tell. But they absolutely listen as Alex says.

The option as I see it, is to do nothing, and wait for the inevitable, or try out a place that is at least trying to do things in a better way. I'm with Alex on that, WS is getting all my stuff.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on June 05, 2021, 12:40
Brasilnut & farbled:

I also agree totally - have same experiences.

Also my last keywording check was really bad and I told them. They checked it and agreed totally and after I changed the keywords via email, they DIRECTLY changed them on Alamy (the only one I submitted that images that time). That shows, they really care on contributors. But I also have to say, keywording THAT images were not that easy. I did not prove their keywording with ´normal commercial´ photos recently, but after I read, they searching for keyworder specialists and that even without them the keywording got better, I will be soon brave to use the easy submission.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Clair Voyant on June 05, 2021, 14:59
I uploaded a few images/videos as a test drive... The keywording was horrible and in some cases had nothing to do with the actual content.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Trippy on June 05, 2021, 16:05
Higher royalties as a group. If they get some top artists, we could all be in the top tier!

What a brilliant idea!
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2021, 16:51
I do not understand why anyone would put images with wirestock, they are just a clearing house for anyones creative work and TAKE a % of the license fee. We get such a small return on OUR work now.
I have images with AdobeStock and Dreamstime and get regular sales with both most importantly NOT .10c an image.
We are being shafted enough already
The places that pay you .10c an image love all you creative people that put your hard eraned images with them, they pay themselves MILLIONS every year and I am sure in the not to distant future they will be telling you that .10c is too much and will drop the license ROI even further.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on June 06, 2021, 17:18
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Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Uncle Pete on June 07, 2021, 14:51
I uploaded a few images/videos as a test drive... The keywording was horrible and in some cases had nothing to do with the actual content.

When? They read metadata now. Unless it was a video, which I have no experience. Just images.

I do not understand why anyone would put images with wirestock, they are just a clearing house for anyones creative work and TAKE a % of the license fee. We get such a small return on OUR work now.


Just answering part, but yes you are right, they are just a clearing house, that takes 15%. This isn't the best thing since... BUT

Higher rank on Alamy, 40-50% instead the the new 20%
Higher percentage on SS instead of lower levels (I still don't use WS for SS or Adobe uploads of my own)
Better position possibly on many sites?
I don't have a DP, 123RF account. I don't need one.

You get paid as soon as you accumulate $30 from any agencies, all combined. I don't have to wait forever to get $100 from DT or whatever else places like 123 or Pond5 require.

I'm lazy... I keyword the image, upload once, and forget about them.

I still upload my own to Adobe and SS because that makes me a better return and I have some specific images on each, which are difficult and complicated to get uploaded to WS. Editorial to SS for example or Vectors to Adobe, which I keep on my own.

I'm not a huge fan of special partners and Instant Pay, but that's potentially interesting for many people. I've considered both and I'll make more by using Wirestock, than by doing everything myself.

There might be more that I'm missing, but tell me, besides the limited, but true view, that we give them 15% for being a clearing house, what about the benefits?

No I'm not a huge fan of Instant Pay, but old images and leftovers? Fine, I can get something instead of pennies or nothing. I'll take that. We do have a choice, selective, which images are in or out.

I don't see Wirestock making any promise of better sales or any reason to think uploading there, or on my own, would make any difference.

Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: oooo on July 13, 2021, 13:22
is it possible to opt out of instant pay?
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on July 13, 2021, 16:45
is it possible to opt out of instant pay?

Yup, you can opt out of any agencies, instant pay, etc. either per image, or everything. And if you mess something up, they are quick to help you out, personally.

I have the majority of my images already key'd, but a few thousand I never bothered because they were b-roll stuff, similars, etc. So I decided to upload and let them key and put forward to instant pay. Worked out very well! Plus at least one agency has an exclusive images section. I've made some dollars per sale on that too.

I like them because of everything Pete said, plus my own frustrations with the various agencies. Now, I dont care at all. I have one dashboard with totals (and yes, you can see what sells where, but I dont bother). Certainly has reduced stress levels and increase my income quite a bit with fewer images.

Its not for everyone. If you are a details/data person like so many are, or only submit to one or two agencies, you might find it limiting.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on July 13, 2021, 16:52
Also my last keywording check was really bad and I told them. They checked it and agreed totally and after I changed the keywords via email, they DIRECTLY changed them on Alamy (the only one I submitted that images that time). That shows, they really care on contributors. =

This. The backend for contributors still needs work in my opinion, as do their sales stats, but, and this is a big but, they listen and do improve things. Its a process they are actively working on, along with other initiatives.

It costs nothing to sign up, you are not obligated to upload and if you do, you're not obligated to submit, but if you do, you can pick and choose where. In my opinion it costs nothing to give it a try and see if it suits you.

Full disclosure, if you decide its not for you, it takes 6 months to close up and remove your images, mainly because of DT and Alamy. They are under the same rules as us individuals.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on July 14, 2021, 08:28
farbled:
Full disclosure, if you decide its not for you, it takes 6 months to close up and remove your images, mainly because of DT and Alamy. They are under the same rules as us individuals.

right!
For example Adobe:
I deleted my photos on my personal Adobe account - just one click for each image. Then DIRECTLY after that I clicked submit to Adobe on Wirestock. That was possible because if you delete a photo on Adobe it DIRECTLY disappears, And because I upload and submitted that images to other agencies via wirestock already, it was also just one click for each photo on wirestock (to submit to Adobe again). Easy!

Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Brasilnut on July 14, 2021, 08:36
What I like most about Wirestock is that in their Slack Group, which any contributor is free to join, you can directly ask the management questions and they will reply almost right away! Which other agency does this?!

That in itself, plus the in-house keywording of both commercial and now editorial images, is well worth the 15% commission they charge on sales!

Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on July 14, 2021, 08:44
What I like most about Wirestock is that in their Slack Group, which any contributor is free to join, you can directly ask the management questions and they will reply almost right away! Which other agency does this?!

That in itself, plus the in-house keywording of both commercial and now editorial images, is well worth the 15% commission they charge on sales!



absolutly right!

Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: kall3bu on July 14, 2021, 09:01
For me not caring about keywords in the near future and leave it by wirestock:

Adobe: Order of Keywords are totally not relevant ANYMORE, but nobody - including Matt - says that.

Alamy: If somebody search for an image and uses the keywords we put on the end (not marked as 10 most important keywords), the buyer can still find it!
It is only about the ctr. But does that really matter that much? Maybe if there are thousands images from other contributors competiting with my image.
If I leave it to wirestock, it MIGHT be they keyword not best and I might be better with it, but the keywords are still good enough to get found.
The last check of their keywording was bad in my eyes and I changed them and wirestock change them as I wanted asap! BUT: I also learned from these ´bad´ keywords, that I mostly were to explicite and exact instead of giving also general keywords. In my case: The images were from Phra Chedi Rai and YES it is a part from Wat Pho Buddhist temple in Bangkok. I used so many keywords that I forgot to include Wat Pho. Customers who just searching for Wat Pho might also interested in photos from Phra Chedi Rai which is a part of it. Even on Alamy Wat Pho should be included.
So at least: Yes, I like my keywords more, but it also shows that wirestock could be sometimes better.

It will still take a long time in Indonesia until we can talk about post covid unfortunally, but when we are ready to travel around again too, then I am pretty sure that wirestock got much better in keywording. So the photos from my future travels will be for sure just upload to wirestock without thinking about keywording anymore! Great!
Hopefully they got already the new keyworder they were already searching for.
In my opinion: wirestock is getting better and better. Could we say that about the (other) agencies?

AND: We do not have to follow the rules from each agency, which is often different. No confusions anymore. Upload and forget! Thats it! Easy!
And faster payout because no 100$ limit!
On alamy 36% instead of 20% on alamy itself, if you cannot reach the yearly 250 Pounds revenue limit.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Brasilnut on July 14, 2021, 09:51
I was one of the first here to admit that their keywording was unacceptable to begin with...probably a 12 year old native English speaker could have done better back when they started 2 or 3 years ago.

Even nowadays, I see things that make me cringe...but they have improved and are improving. Also put out an ad for a freelance keyworder, although the pay isn't very high which may mean that only monkeys accept to be paid in peanuts.

Without sounding like a frustrated socialist, we should be helping Wirestock to help us! They will listen and will take on constructive criticism to improve.

For specialist editorials, best to upload ourselves to places like Alamy and keyword ourselves. They aren't geniuses to know details of relatively little known places, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Roscoe on July 15, 2021, 02:06
Even nowadays, I see things that make me cringe...but they have improved and are improving. Also put out an ad for a freelance keyworder, although the pay isn't very high which may mean that only monkeys accept to be paid in peanuts.

Without sounding like a frustrated socialist, we should be helping Wirestock to help us! They will listen and will take on constructive criticism to improve.

For specialist editorials, best to upload ourselves to places like Alamy and keyword ourselves. They aren't geniuses to know details of relatively little known places, unfortunately.
WireStock has a referral program. 10% nowadays! Why not expand it to keywording? Let the keywording be done by contributors and give them a percentage of sales keyworded content by them generates. Only thing they have to do is a final check and distribution.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: oooo on July 15, 2021, 16:21
thank you farbled
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: oooo on July 15, 2021, 16:25
i know you dont care,
but instant pay isnt a good idea, more free images will continue to devalue your work
and your regular sales will decrease to zero
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we should be helping Wirestock to help us! They will listen
cmon all have been the nice guys until they had enough content

Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on July 15, 2021, 17:27
i know you dont care,
but instant pay isnt a good idea, more free images will continue to devalue your work
and your regular sales will decrease to zero
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we should be helping Wirestock to help us! They will listen
cmon all have been the nice guys until they had enough content

Well it's not that I don't care, only that I think its an inevitability that I prefer to capitalize on while I can. My work on IP is all old unsellable stuff, so devaluing zero-value old stock doesn't worry me. It may, however, devalue others' work, and that's unfortunate, but if my old crappy stuff sinks someone else's work, then they should up their game to be honest. My sales have gone up actually, from under a hundred a month with SS after their changes, to 300 plus consistently, for a third of the number of images I have up. I don't believe that will continue for too long. So what are my options? Delete my work to please others? Not sure anyone would do the same for me.

This is just the natural progression when one has unlimited supply, in my opinion. It drives the value down to nothing. Its up to us to find those subjects, innovations, and unique images that are actually worth something in today's market. Not yesterday's. The market is just harder to succeed at now, which incidentally is what so many of us have been striving for (or complaining about) for a decade. The people who will succeed are the ones who can do more than just take a decent photo. There are great photographers, and there are great stock photographers. And I think the overlap is rather small.

As for Wirestock, I have no doubt that as they grow they will change. Hopefully for the better, but evidence of other agencies suggests its probably won't. I live to be surprised. In the meantime, carpe diem, while you can.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on July 15, 2021, 17:33
thank you farbled
You're welcome. I try and be upfront with my opinions, giving the pros and cons of it as I see things. I hope people find it helpful.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 16, 2021, 06:58
Even nowadays, I see things that make me cringe...but they have improved and are improving. Also put out an ad for a freelance keyworder, although the pay isn't very high which may mean that only monkeys accept to be paid in peanuts.

Without sounding like a frustrated socialist, we should be helping Wirestock to help us! They will listen and will take on constructive criticism to improve.

For specialist editorials, best to upload ourselves to places like Alamy and keyword ourselves. They aren't geniuses to know details of relatively little known places, unfortunately.
WireStock has a referral program. 10% nowadays! Why not expand it to keywording? Let the keywording be done by contributors and give them a percentage of sales keyworded content by them generates. Only thing they have to do is a final check and distribution.

You want someone you don't know, who's your competition, to be keywording your images, for 10%?  :o

I just got that change notice in referrals. I don't know if it's better or worse, I'd have to have someone sign up and then be active?  8)

Just got the Editorial announcement:

"Now you can easily submit your Editorial content. There is no need to fill in the keywords, phototypes, or descriptions. Our team will sort it all out for you. Feel free to start using the new update which will give you more time to create new content."

Ha Ha, I don't know how they could possibly sort it out, without the specifics of many of my images. But I'm pleased that they will be accepting Editorial now.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Roscoe on July 16, 2021, 08:23

You want someone you don't know, who's your competition, to be keywording your images, for 10%?  :o


Mostly I still prefer to do my own keywording, mainly because Wirestock's keywording is either very generic or just not accurate enough. They might be my competition, but on the other hand, the better they do the keywording, the higher their potential incentive would be. And there still should be a final quality check by Wirestock's moderators. In the end, Wirestock wins, because they don't have to pay flat fees for inhouse or freelance keyword personnel. The contributors win, because they will get better keyworded content and they have the possibilty to generate an extra potential income stream by doing keywording jobs. It looks like a good solution to me, but maybe I'm missing something here. I remember Dreamstime providing keywording by contributors, paying 2$c per keyworded image. They seem to have dropped it though and they probably had their reasons to do so. The 2$c flat fee was also way to low to really motivate anyone to start doing keywording. A percentage of the commissions would be a better idea.

Personally, I don't really mind keywording that much, and after uploading thousands of files to various agencies, I think I developed a pretty efficient keywording habit. I would participate in some spare time to see how it goes.

Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: Uncle Pete on July 17, 2021, 09:52

You want someone you don't know, who's your competition, to be keywording your images, for 10%?  :o


Mostly I still prefer to do my own keywording, mainly because Wirestock's keywording is either very generic or just not accurate enough. They might be my competition, but on the other hand, the better they do the keywording, the higher their potential incentive would be. And there still should be a final quality check by Wirestock's moderators. In the end, Wirestock wins, because they don't have to pay flat fees for inhouse or freelance keyword personnel. The contributors win, because they will get better keyworded content and they have the possibilty to generate an extra potential income stream by doing keywording jobs. It looks like a good solution to me, but maybe I'm missing something here. I remember Dreamstime providing keywording by contributors, paying 2$c per keyworded image. They seem to have dropped it though and they probably had their reasons to do so. The 2$c flat fee was also way to low to really motivate anyone to start doing keywording. A percentage of the commissions would be a better idea.

Personally, I don't really mind keywording that much, and after uploading thousands of files to various agencies, I think I developed a pretty efficient keywording habit. I would participate in some spare time to see how it goes.

I think you are right, and we know what the subject and situation is, better than someone just looking at a photo and describing it. Someone off somewhere else might miss the concept we had intended also.

You do know, that your keywords are now read and used by Wirestock? In my case I already have the images with keywords, because I upload elsewhere.

My disagreement was, I don't want someone else being given commission to keyword my images, because that comes out of what I'd make. Plus those people wouldn't be any better than the people that WS already pays to do keywords? I can't see any advantage to adding something that we don't need.
Title: Re: Experiences with sales via wirestock on offered agencies?
Post by: farbled on July 23, 2021, 14:25
420 bucks today on instant pay at Wirestock. My >3% of my current portfolio going there (to IP) is really working for me. All stuff that never sold.