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« on: May 28, 2021, 09:43 »
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As one contributor here mentioned, he got not to less sales on alamy via wirestock, too.
I had a sale of 3$ on shutterstock - one of my worst images I am not caring about LOL
Adobe: Mostly editorials without people sells not bad for me.
But until now no sales on dreamstime and pond5 (images).
Does anyone had sales on the last two agencies via wirestock?

And did anyone already got sales via extra channels (which is mostly Canva)?


« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2021, 17:52 »
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had a few sales on DT, none on pond (but i only get a few sales from pond from myown uploads)

« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2021, 07:33 »
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Have been with them for a year. Zero sales.

Some of them were sold as "Instant Pay" to freepik which was partly my fault because I didn't see the email which warned me they were going to sell them to free sites. But other than that, zero. Stopped uploading to them months ago.

« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2021, 09:43 »
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I had sales via Wirestock on all agencies, including Alamy and the smaller ones like Dreamstime, DepositPhoto's, 123RF (which isn't supported anymore, I guess due to images not being reviewed) and Pond5.

But, don't expect your content to perform better via Wirestock.
Sales on smaller agencies are as slow as they are on personal accounts. At least, that's my experience.

« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2021, 11:17 »
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I had sales via Wirestock on all agencies, including Alamy and the smaller ones like Dreamstime, DepositPhoto's, 123RF (which isn't supported anymore, I guess due to images not being reviewed) and Pond5.

But, don't expect your content to perform better via Wirestock.
Sales on smaller agencies are as slow as they are on personal accounts. At least, that's my experience.

Yes, from my experience I could also not say that wirestock perform better than on my personal portfolios.
Wirestock told me that they put 123RF to the extra channels. Reason like you guessed.
I am also not really sure if all to dreamstime submitted images really are online there or not. Seems like most not. Seems like I got more approved via my personal portfolio. Why ever. That is why I am still confused, if it would be better to move my images from dreamstime to wirestock and submit to dreamstime there. My only reason to do it is the 100$ limit for payout.
Deposit - sorry I forgot in the first time -got nearly same sales on my personal or wirestock portfolio. and yes, via wirestock I got few pennies more.
Alamy: instead of getting 20% in the future, I will get 36% via wirestock, so a plus for me either.
Adobe: My name is not shown anymore. So my friends, who suspecting that Adobe makes differences between religions and regions, cannot see anymore, that I still feed the devil.
And on wirestock I still can follow my strategy for my better images: Best images only on alamy, good images after a month also on dreamstime 8maybe still Adobe, too. And my images I do not care about, I submit directly to all - including SS.



Uncle Pete

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2021, 10:36 »
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Reminder, just because WS accepts something, that doesn't mean the agencies have accept the image. DT seems to take everything, so back to the original question.

There's no reason to believe putting an image on WS will make a difference in sales over putting it up on your own, on the agency. An image is an image? I still upload to DT now and then and click everything else for DT on WS. My sales on WS for DT are higher than my old collection and my own uploads on DT. Proves nothing, but just an answer.

My sales on P5 on my own are zero for images, never one. Yet I have sales from WS listed as Pond 5. Again proof of nothing, but that's two agencies that I get better sales from the WS uploads, than I do from my own.  :o


Yes, from my experience I could also not say that wirestock perform better than on my personal portfolios. (same point, I'd agree)

...would be better to move my images from dreamstime to wirestock and submit to dreamstime there. My only reason to do it is the 100$ limit for payout. (A big reason?)

Alamy: instead of getting 20% in the future, I will get 36% via wirestock, so a plus for me either. (another plus)


I still submit directly to SS and Adobe, everything else, goes through WireStock now. After they take a 15% cut, I'm still making more than if I was getting base levels on my own.

Yes, There's no reason why the same images would preform better on WS than they do on their own. The only possibility I can think of, would be, if someone searches by contributor and used Wirestock images for the selection. I can't see any reason why anyone would do that?

I'm happy, I don't have accounts with most of the agencies, and when I reach $100 on DT, I'll switch over everything to WS and close my personal account. After that, I will have three working personal accounts. Alamy, SS and AS. I really don't want to find and upload 5,000 images from SS, and most are editorial. Alamy, many are already exclusive, same other reason, finding and uploading a large number. Adobe, I have some that are only on Adobe and there are limitations on what can be uploaded to WS for those other agencies. So that means for those, old images and special cases... Let It Ride!  ;D

farbled

« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2021, 10:50 »
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The hook for me is not having to wait a year or more to reach payout on the smaller sites or places like DT. Its all grouped together. I also got my first Alamy sales through WS and have never sold anything there previously as an individual.

Personally, my sales are way up now that WS is my only account and I have a third of my library with them. I've only had 7 sales to DT in the last few months (I did what Pete is doing and waited til I cashed out of DT). 7 sales would take me 6 months on my own. No sales with Pond 5, which is consistent for me.

On a side note, I made 50 x $4.25 yesterday via Instant Pay to Adobe Stock. All of them were images that have rarely or never sold. I'm quite happy about that.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2021, 11:09 »
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The hook for me is not having to wait a year or more to reach payout on the smaller sites or places like DT. Its all grouped together. I also got my first Alamy sales through WS and have never sold anything there previously as an individual.

Personally, my sales are way up now that WS is my only account and I have a third of my library with them. I've only had 7 sales to DT in the last few months (I did what Pete is doing and waited til I cashed out of DT). 7 sales would take me 6 months on my own. No sales with Pond 5, which is consistent for me.

On a side note, I made 50 x $4.25 yesterday via Instant Pay to Adobe Stock. All of them were images that have rarely or never sold. I'm quite happy about that.

Interesting that Adobe bought that many. The only instant pay I saw for myself, was way back, and they don't show who took them? Some are $3.40 and some are $4.25. Maybe that's how I can determine who downloaded the image?

DT I'm at around $25 and looking forward to maybe 2024 when I can cash out and close the account. Just takes forever and I regret re-opening my account with them. I could leave and give up the $25 but I never give away anything if I can collect what I earned. I hope I live long enough to get that $100?  ::)

The conflict is, I still upload some to Adobe, and most of those are exclusive, which seem to do better. Maybe they get preferred listing placement in the search?

farbled

« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2021, 11:19 »
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It would not surprise me if WS got the same treatment as the image studios, they certainly have the volume and diversity. I also like that they will gain levels exponentially faster than I can at SS. And, I get less 10 cent subs and way more SOD's too. Not sure why, but I do.

Re: DT. I eventually decided to turn my balance into credits (sorry, I did cash out but then went back, stupidly) and I make potential book covers out of some images for when I start writing again.

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2021, 12:26 »
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Some nicely-priced sales came through (originating from AS) on last day of May...

farbled

« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2021, 18:37 »
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I would like to point out one other facet (for me) that might be useful to others, especially people new to the game. I have been at Wirestock only since the beginning of December. That means that all my images, from 2005 to a few years ago, have no history of sales anymore. They started from scratch just like any newbie. To go with that, I will say that WS has already eclipsed my SS earnings since the commission change before I left there, with only a third of the same portfolio.

« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2021, 06:58 »
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Uncle Pete: Reminder, just because WS accepts something, that doesn't mean the agencies have accept the image. DT seems to take everything, so back to the original question.

as I know from wirestock support: Dreamstime is NOT taking everything! The problem is, even if the image got signed as approved, it might be not (yet) online on dreamstime!

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Uncle Pete: and when I reach $100 on DT, I'll switch over everything to WS and close my personal account.

It is not that easy! As I mentioned above, we have to find out first, which images really apperas online on dreamstime. It could be that moved images will never appear even if signed as approved/submitted.

Little more dteails:
I did a test:
On dreamstime NOW we cannot delete images that easy anymore! We only ca disable them. Then - dreamstime promised me! - we can upload them via wirestock again and get them online on dreamstime via wirestock. BUT after 1 month signed as approved on wirestock, these test images did not appear until now!
Wirestock indeed told me, they have big issues with dreamstime to get images online.
Yes, many I submitted are at lest online, but much more NOT! And wirestock told me, thats unforutnally the reality now.

If you totally close your account, it might be much easier to upload them again via wirestock. But have in mind: If we upload on our personal account, we get MUCH more accepted - wirestock told me the same.

Thats why I am changed my way now: Instead of moving images from dreamstime to wirestock - starting with the oldest first and still upload new images directly to dreamstime, to get faster the 100$ limit payout. NOW I try to get as much as possible on my personal account. So, now I research which images via wirestock got online - I will keep them! All which not got online after 1 month submitted, I will wirestock ask to delete and I will upload on my personal account 1 month later. Maybe I do not have to wait 1 month. If accepted from dreamstime directly, similar images via wirestock will be rejected. But it is just better to ask wirestock to delete that not online images in case not get rejection of similar images.

Sounds like much work, but I have the time. LOL

Uncle Pete: 100$ limit a big reason?
Yes! Because: I do not take photos which might sell best, I shoot what I like to shoot. And I will not change that. So, of course my photos are not selling very good. I do not mind. Only if I just see a motif, which is easy to shoot and on demand, then I am doing it. And indeed these photos sells more. But even with this experiences I will never make a plan, shooting what might sell good. If I would do that, I would be much more frustrated, if even these photos dont get that sales I expected.

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Uncle Pete: I'm happy, I don't have accounts with most of the agencies, and when I reach $100 on DT, I'll switch over everything to WS and close my personal account. After that, I will have three working personal accounts. Alamy, SS and AS. I really don't want to find and upload 5,000 images from SS, and most are editorial. Alamy, many are already exclusive, same other reason, finding and uploading a large number. Adobe, I have some that are only on Adobe and there are limitations on what can be uploaded to WS for those other agencies. So that means for those, old images and special cases... Let It Ride!  ;D

Because my accounts are/were still small, it was easier for me to move my images to wirestock:
SS: I reduced my images from more than 600 to less 200 - kept the worst images there and the bad images which sells directly in June last year.
Now - because of that low sales, I do not care on the last images either and moved them also to wirestock and do not care about the little money which were waiting to payout, if I reach the payout in some years, because only 10 Cent anyway each sale.

Adobe: No sale at all yet on Adobe. Just when I already started to move them to wirestock, I got ONE sale for 23 Cent.
AND: the new strategy from Adobe, I really do not want to support with my name.
and because already a long time I just click on Adobe via wirestock instead of uploading myself, so the portfolio was small and the move was done in an hour or so. - And not like dreamstime: On adobe the deleted photos were directly accepted again via wirestock - totally no problem. All on the same day!

Alamy: On 1th July I will be able to submit the photos from my personal account via wirestock. I even had big issues with Alamy, because so many smartphone photos got accepted on my personal account, that it took a long time until I found out, that they should not be accpeted. As follows: I got blocked from uploads for a while. That time I upload the same photos via wirestock and all got accpeted. So, just easier: Not thinking about camera and other things. That easy!

Depositphotos: Wow! So fast! After 2 hours I got already the email and they already deleted all my 1000 more images there. so, in another 30 minutes I just clicked on submit to depositphotos on wirestock and the work was done. 28 Cent instead of 22 is even better.

Pond5: Only because I am exclusive with my footage, I upload all images personally to pond5.

123RF: I followed the advice from wirestock: Do not move them to wirestock, because 123RF are NOW searching for special images. But 123RF unilt now still did not tell wirestock, which kind of images they are looking for.
So, I keep my account on 123RF, even very low sales, but why not? If even upload to some personal accounts, why not upload the bad images to 123RF either in one time?

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On a side note, I made 50 x $4.25 yesterday via Instant Pay to Adobe Stock. All of them were images that have rarely or never sold. I'm quite happy about that.

For Instant Pay, you have to delete these images on all agencies, right?
I ask, because NOW I got an idea of which photos I do not care anymore and would take an Instant Pay. The only problem I see is, if delete everywhere first, then mark as Instant Pay, does not garanty, that wirestock will sell them all as Instant pay. But even then: We are talking about images which never sold and might never sell in the future.
Any suggestions? Editorial images could be also good for Instant Pay, or better only commercial photos?
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I would like to point out one other facet (for me) that might be useful to others, especially people new to the game. I have been at Wirestock only since the beginning of December. That means that all my images, from 2005 to a few years ago, have no history of sales anymore. They started from scratch just like any newbie. To go with that, I will say that WS has already eclipsed my SS earnings since the commission change before I left there, with only a third of the same portfolio.

As I mentioned many time here: Delete and upload again and with that giving them a new life and new chance to get better ranking and sales. Combined with moving images from personal accounts to wirestock, could tell us, if we are right. Because I just did that with some agencies: Lets see, if it works for some images. maybe an suddenly increasing sales on wirestock in the next weeks? Would be nice! If so, I will let you know.

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Sorry for that long explainings, but it might be that some getting ideas from it. I would never say, do it like me! But it COULD be just an idea.




farbled

« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2021, 09:37 »
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As far as Instant Pay goes, here is the way I understand it and others can correct me if I get something wrong. After an image is approximately 4 months old with Wirestock, they may assess it for its selling potential. If it is unlikely to sell and you've agreed to include it in the program, they may include it in their Instant Pay (IP) program. As far as I understand it, it does not need to be exclusive to IP. All Wirestock requires is that you are not selling the same image on the same agency if they are doing it on your behalf.

For Dreamstime, have they changed the TOS? I thought it was 6 months before you can remove an image. I know if you ask to have something deleted at WS, it does take 6 months as per their TOS. I deleted my first account with WS and that was what was said.

One of the things I like about WS is I no longer have to care about individual agencies anymore. I don't care if some are rejected at DT, or accepted at SS, or wherever. I just get my totals every day/week/month and smile. Less stress for me.

« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2021, 12:43 »
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#All Wirestock requires is that you are not selling the same image on the same agency if they are doing it on your behalf.#

If that is true, then it is much easier than I guessed. That means, if for example Adobe is the one who buys the images and we only submit to Adobe via wirestock, we never will get problems.

But what I understood was indeed: no other paying agency possible - for example iStock. And yes, that time wirestock said: They will delete the images on all agencies via wirestock theirselves. But the other agencies outside of wirestock, we should delete the images.

Hopefully YOU remember right.

« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2021, 12:46 »
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dreamstime:

Yes, after 6 month, images turn down to Level O. These images we can delete without problems. Or NOW: only disable! After 12 month these disabled images will be deleted and taken out of their system.
Images younger than 6 month with minimum Level 1, are more difficult to delete, but possible: As I read from others: You cannot delete to many, there is a limit, but I never read, what this limit exactly is.

farbled

« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2021, 13:08 »
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dreamstime:

Yes, after 6 month, images turn down to Level O. These images we can delete without problems. Or NOW: only disable! After 12 month these disabled images will be deleted and taken out of their system.
Images younger than 6 month with minimum Level 1, are more difficult to delete, but possible: As I read from others: You cannot delete to many, there is a limit, but I never read, what this limit exactly is.

No offense, but that sounds like some rather important info you might want to check out before making firm plans. I've found many opinions on the forums might have incorrect info (my own included). Just my 2 cents...

farbled

« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2021, 13:35 »
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#All Wirestock requires is that you are not selling the same image on the same agency if they are doing it on your behalf.#

If that is true, then it is much easier than I guessed. That means, if for example Adobe is the one who buys the images and we only submit to Adobe via wirestock, we never will get problems.

But what I understood was indeed: no other paying agency possible - for example iStock. And yes, that time wirestock said: They will delete the images on all agencies via wirestock theirselves. But the other agencies outside of wirestock, we should delete the images.

Hopefully YOU remember right.

Maybe. Sounds like something I would not trust to a forum opinion, and get from Wirestock themselves. That is also why I express opinions and qualify what I say with "as far as I know".

https://wirestock.io/faq

Seems pretty clear to me.


« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2021, 17:00 »
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Sales have been slow on WS,  but just a small portfolio & only on for last 4-5 months.  i'm only sending new images and only when  it's easier to use WS (adding meta data is my logjam - thousands of images waiting.)

« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2021, 01:47 »
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dreamstime:

Yes, after 6 month, images turn down to Level O. These images we can delete without problems. Or NOW: only disable! After 12 month these disabled images will be deleted and taken out of their system.
Images younger than 6 month with minimum Level 1, are more difficult to delete, but possible: As I read from others: You cannot delete to many, there is a limit, but I never read, what this limit exactly is.

No offense, but that sounds like some rather important info you might want to check out before making firm plans. I've found many opinions on the forums might have incorrect info (my own included). Just my 2 cents...

Rather important indeed. Maybe I missed it, but I can't recall reading instructions from Wirestock to delete content on non-wirestock submitted agencies after an instant pay license. I didn't do that for the images I sold via instant pay, so they are still out there (and not selling, hence the instant pay strategy at Wirestock for some of my content).

All I know is that submitting to wirestock is non-exclusive, except the Adobe exclusive program.

« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2021, 09:24 »
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dreamstime:

Yes, after 6 month, images turn down to Level O. These images we can delete without problems. Or NOW: only disable! After 12 month these disabled images will be deleted and taken out of their system.
Images younger than 6 month with minimum Level 1, are more difficult to delete, but possible: As I read from others: You cannot delete to many, there is a limit, but I never read, what this limit exactly is.

No offense, but that sounds like some rather important info you might want to check out before making firm plans. I've found many opinions on the forums might have incorrect info (my own included). Just my 2 cents...

Rather important indeed. Maybe I missed it, but I can't recall reading instructions from Wirestock to delete content on non-wirestock submitted agencies after an instant pay license. I didn't do that for the images I sold via instant pay, so they are still out there (and not selling, hence the instant pay strategy at Wirestock for some of my content).

All I know is that submitting to wirestock is non-exclusive, except the Adobe exclusive program.

And you were right! as wirestock answered me today very clear:

Thanks for the questions. With our Instant Pay Program you receive a one-time advance payment of $4-5/image (minus Wirestock commission) from each agency that selects your images. The selected images may be listed for free download on the agencies that select them, and you will no longer be able to remove the images from those agencies after you have received the advance payment. However, nothing will change in regards to the other agencies you have submitted to before, you will still continue licensing your images through existing agencies as well as there will not be any issue with iStock. The time frame is 3-4 months.

« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2021, 11:09 »
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And you were right! as wirestock answered me today very clear:

Thanks for the questions. With our Instant Pay Program you receive a one-time advance payment of $4-5/image (minus Wirestock commission) from each agency that selects your images. The selected images may be listed for free download on the agencies that select them, and you will no longer be able to remove the images from those agencies after you have received the advance payment. However, nothing will change in regards to the other agencies you have submitted to before, you will still continue licensing your images through existing agencies as well as there will not be any issue with iStock. The time frame is 3-4 months.

Clear! Thanks for sharing this!

« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2021, 02:25 »
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What about using a different name and upload slightly changed images to Wirestock? Is this an option?

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2021, 09:42 »
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What about using a different name and upload slightly changed images to Wirestock? Is this an option?

Only for people who want to cheat instead of following the TOS? I suppose, if you don't mind that WS will catch you and close your account?

#All Wirestock requires is that you are not selling the same image on the same agency if they are doing it on your behalf.#

If that is true, then it is much easier than I guessed. That means, if for example Adobe is the one who buys the images and we only submit to Adobe via wirestock, we never will get problems.

But what I understood was indeed: no other paying agency possible - for example iStock. And yes, that time wirestock said: They will delete the images on all agencies via wirestock theirselves. But the other agencies outside of wirestock, we should delete the images.

Hopefully YOU remember right.

Yes I see your other answer, there was never a question of anything Instant Pay, suddenly becoming Exclusive. Not a hint! That would make no sense at all.

Also just for the record:

"We are happy to inform you that your portfolio has been selected for the Instant Pay Program.

You have #### photos that have been listed for more than 4 months and have not generated any earnings. We would like to improve this and include these photos in our Instant Pay Program. The program allows contributors to receive advance payments from our new partners - Freepik, as well as other Instant Pay partner marketplaces. "

Other being Adobe for now. I added the bold, which was a question. Four months no earnings, makes them eligible for Instant Pay. Also new images after the first inclusion, might be reviewed by the Instant Pay companies. there's no promise that everything is automatic and instant when an image hits four months.

My last two Instant Pays which are from Adobe, are files that have been on WS from the day I opened my account. So apparently Adobe was just looking at those older images, this month. We don't have any way to know who's looking or when, except that the image must have no sales in the previous four months, before it's active in Instant Pay.


Clair Voyant

« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2021, 10:08 »
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What about using a different name and upload slightly changed images to Wirestock? Is this an option?

It's this kind of attitude and complete lack of professionalism that has ruined the industry. All this does is scream out a complete desperation on your behalf and complete lack of regard toward hard working professionals. Your true character is showing and it's not pretty.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2021, 10:26 by Clair Voyant »

« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2021, 10:44 »
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Everybody got problems with the so-called "similar images" which get rejected by SS, for example. Why not upload these "similar images?
The question is, how reliable is Wirestock? Will they disappear from the market after some years? Will they change their policy like other agencies.


 

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